Planned Parenthood of Kansas Must Turn Over Records
posted at 3:56 pm on February 23, 2008 by see-dubya
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A Planned Parenthood clinic in Overland Park, Kansas, is under suspicion of violating several Kansas laws. 107 charges were filed by a Kansas DA (formerly Kansas’ Attorney General) Phill Kline, who sounds like a really cool guy. The Overland Park clinic and Phill Kline go way back–they’ve been tangling since at least 2005, when Kline was Attorney General of Kansas.
Today it looks Kline is about to get another bite at them:
A grand jury issued a subpoena to the Comprehensive Health in Overland Park clinic last month demanding the records of 16 patients. The clinic has been battling Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline, an anti-abortion crusader, over whether the subpoena should be enforced.
After a hearing over the dispute Friday in Johnson County District Court, an attorney for the clinic, Pedro Irigonegaray, said it would turn over records for 16 patients that pertain to two restrictions on abortions under Kansas law. He said it would resolve the dispute.
One restriction mandates that the clinic notify a parent or guardian when a minor seeks an abortion. Another imposes a 24-hour waiting period before an abortion and requires the clinic to provide information to a patient about the procedure and other medical issues.
I’m glad someone is looking into Kansas’ abortion industry. It seems especially slipshod. On the other hand, maybe it’s quite typical–and we just know more about the situation in Kansas because of the efforts of people like Phill Kline.
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How is this “justice”?
Nonfactor on February 23, 2008 at 4:01 PM
Hey, Nonfactor! Where the heck have you been?
Jaibones on February 23, 2008 at 4:06 PM
I’ve read that Kline wants to treat all consensual underage sex as criminal. Seems a little extreme if true.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 4:09 PM
For humans who had their brains sucked out? I’m just guessing.
SouthernGent on February 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Errrr…. if underage sex is against the law (by definition) isn’t that a crime? Or am I being obtuse…
schiehallion on February 23, 2008 at 4:15 PM
I smell a troll. Am I right? Anyone?
fourstringfuror on February 23, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Pretty busy; that and HotAir has become light on the philosophy and religion topics.
That’s not even an answer to my question. That’s an answer to the question “For whom is this justice?” Which would be followed by my question of “How is this justice?” How is releasing these records “justice delayed”? It seems the only violations in question involve notification of a parent and a waiting period with notification of other options.
Nonfactor on February 23, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Maybe he means murdering the baby after parental notification or a 24 waiting period isn’t justice.
Your Brother John on February 23, 2008 at 4:22 PM
There is also the issue of late term abortions, which are illegal under Kansas state law.
dogsoldier on February 23, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Eh, not a troll, really. More of an embedded liberal. But he’s (she’s?) our liberal.
Back to the question of justice, nf, I’m thinking that the courts examining the records of a regulated medical business to determine compliance under the law set by elected officials in that jurisdiction might be appropriate in most minds. Hmm?
Surely you agree with government regulation as a concept, in enforcing the law?
Jaibones on February 23, 2008 at 4:24 PM
anything that inconveniences, irritates or otherwise ticks-off those that earn a living from killing babies is a form of justice, however incomplete.
schiehallion on February 23, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Floating from thread to thread. Check. Throwing out provocative posts left and right, then disengaging. Check. Perhaps it’s just boredom and a cry out for attention.
a capella on February 23, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Because if both parties are underage it is human nature. For the government to broadly exercise subpoena power just because underage sex has occured seems like more government involvement in our lives than is beneficial. If one of the parties reports the matter or if one of the parties is an adult, that would be different.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 4:27 PM
I guess that’s the thing. I don’t consider a court order “justice delayed,” especially when the court order was incurred because someone thinks a minor who didn’t notify a parent had an abortion.
By the sound of this post it would seem as though “justice” means “resolving a dispute.” And seeing as how this court order really has nothing to do with the moral discussion on abortion it seems as though it was posted simply to have people chant in unison about how abortion is murder. A post like this doesn’t even seem fit for the headlines.
Nonfactor on February 23, 2008 at 4:33 PM
It’s human nature for some adult males to want sex with teenage girls- how is human nature relevant to your argument?
What so if two underage parties engage in sex it’s OK but if one party later regrets it and , perhaps out of spite, reports it then that’s different? How does that make sense? And why is a 14 year old girl having sex with a 15 year old OK but with a 17 year old that’s different?
schiehallion on February 23, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Really? How is that some of us find the notion repugnant–is that human nature too? Or is your morality barometer just hooked up to your gonads?
TexasDan on February 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM
I love liberals who are so overwhelmed by their own intelligence. The intention here is not to engage in a debate on the morality of abortion but to highlight the innate stupidity of the conservatives for failing to correctly set the frame of reference for their posting and thus re-confirm what they knew to be true all along, that is liberal=smart, conservative=dumb. End of discussion.
schiehallion on February 23, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Sure, not all human nature is good but consensual underage sex is something that millions of Americans have engaged as part of growing up. The problem is when a prosecutor can use any evidence of underage sex (e.g., pregnancy, peeping tom, doctor being told) as a reason to broadly issue subpeonas and collect private information on citizens. A more serious crime should be required to unleash prosecutorial powers.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 4:48 PM
NF– I wrote “delayed” because he’s been trying to catch up with this clinic since 2005, not because there’s anything wrong with the court order itself, which I regard as good news.
I would think even the “safe, legal, and rare” crowd would want to see abortion mills run in accordance with the law.
see-dubya on February 23, 2008 at 4:48 PM
My post wasn’t about my intelligence and if you felt intimidated I’m sorry.
Nonfactor on February 23, 2008 at 4:49 PM
So I noticed.
fourstringfuror on February 23, 2008 at 4:49 PM
To be honest, I didn’t read the story too closely, other than to note that the State’s Attorney had reason to believe that the clinic had been operating in violation of the regulations, and pursued two specific files for compliance review.
Seemed fair enough. “Delayed” seems to refer to the refusal of the clinic to comply by turning over the files in a timely manner, but that’s why we have judges.
I’m sure it will all work out.
Jaibones on February 23, 2008 at 4:50 PM
(Oops, that was to Nonfactor)
Jaibones on February 23, 2008 at 4:51 PM
There you go. Agreed.
Jaibones on February 23, 2008 at 4:52 PM
You’ll note I said some (ie.not all) adult (ie. over 16) males want sex with teenage girls (it’s scarcely credible to deny it). Anyway, the point was supposed to be that human nature is not exactly relevant to law-making otherwise vigilantism (for example) would be legal. And I was starting from the premise that underage sex is (correctly) a crime. Why am I wasting my time arguing the point? I am on the right website aren’t I?
schiehallion on February 23, 2008 at 4:55 PM
For you Bill O’Reilly haters, he was on this a year ago. But, at that time couldn’t get enough traction on it. Then the guy lost the election and figured it would be lost forever. Glad to see that it is coming back. Yes, underage girls having abortions is remarkable; 1 that is rape if the male is 18 or over, and 2 the parents of the girl don’t even know what is going on.
cjs1943 on February 23, 2008 at 5:00 PM
19,21…40?
There has to be a cutoff.
You have heard of statutory rape, correct?
ArmyAunt on February 23, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Liberals are certifiably nuts. Michael Savage was right…again. We must continue to deprogram “our liberal”. ;-)
SouthernGent on February 23, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Translates as : “My post wasn’t about my intelligence (you poor stupid conservative for failing to understand my meaning) and if you felt intimidated (which you’re bound to do as I am of boundless intelligence compared to your amoeba-like grasp of human discourse) then I’m sorry (it is, after all, only right to feel pity for ones intellectual inferiors)”.
Classic stuff. Loving every minute. Is that you, Mr Olbermann?
schiehallion on February 23, 2008 at 5:04 PM
ArmyAunt on February 23, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Oh for the love of God can I be more clear: I think underage sex is a bad thing. I just don’t see why if both parties are underage it becomes a good thing (or at least a ‘not worth bothering about’ thing)
schiehallion on February 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM
I was thinking the same thing, and wondering if it was Bill Keller.
CrimsonFisted on February 23, 2008 at 5:12 PM
Oh boy did this one stir the pot.
KBird on February 23, 2008 at 5:13 PM
I admit I thought you would’ve seen the comedy in my post and not have taken it so seriously.
Nonfactor on February 23, 2008 at 5:17 PM
That’s harsh. Type in the words ‘teen’ and ’sex’ into your favorite search engine and see if you get any hits.
tlynch001 on February 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM
He’s a troll. He’ll soon move on and be a nonfactor somewhere else.
snaggletoothie on February 23, 2008 at 5:26 PM
If those opposed to abortion are “crusaders”, does that make the pro-abortion crowd “jihadis”?
labrat on February 23, 2008 at 5:35 PM
I’m kind of in the middle on this whole argument, but hear me out. I’m down with abortion being totally illegal as long as we give kids more sex education than they can handle, early and often. If we don’t give them the tools to protect themselves, I’m all for choice IN THE FIRST TRIMESTER. I absolutely under no circumstances am down with later term abortions. That bs Clinton pulled on his last day was treasonous.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 5:44 PM
What’s the difference, in your mind, between a fetus that is 92 days old, and one that is 94 days old?
Just askin’.
IrishEi on February 23, 2008 at 6:08 PM
IrishEi on February 23, 2008 at 6:08 PM
I don’t really know. I just believe that at a certain point after three or four months that BABY has developed a soul and a bond with the mother. That’s just my feeling, I am in no way am a doctor or gynecologists. Though I do have extensive experience with the female anatomy. Hmmm. My previous point was somewhat unfinished in this sense. We can’t possibly ask our teens not to have sex and just tell them because they are too young. I was that age once, and I wasn’t going to listen to that nonsense either.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Also, you’ll find the nations with the lowest teen pregnancy, teen drug abuse, etc. are also the ones where openess isn’t only encouraged, it’s the norm. It’s kind of like the Adam and Eve story. That was a real smart f’n trick. You can have any tree in here except that one. Who wouldn’t be curious. Human nature.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 6:19 PM
At that point it isn’t human? Sorry, but with the exception of cases of rape, incest, or the mother’s life being in jeopardy, I see no reason for legalized abortion. It’s the murder of unborn children, plain and simple.
Kowboy on February 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Kowboy on February 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Fine cowboy, just provide sex education at ten years old for all students across this nation. Oh, and I’m not talking about a birds and bees speech. I’m talking graphic, masturbation, all that stuff. WE CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. NO SEX, NO COMMUNICATION.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 6:27 PM
And it has a name. Infanticide. I agree with you.
CrimsonFisted on February 23, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Don’t take the bait.
fourstringfuror on February 23, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Does RAPE mean anything? I don’t care if it is consensual between two underage. But, consider this, and I think this is where Phil Kline is coming from, what if the abortion performed on an underage woman is to cover up the Rape of the child? Is that not worth pursuing?
It amazes me how far people will go to preserve the rights of the abortionists and the rapists. I sure don’t get it. Perhaps our country IS beyond recovery?
rightwingpastor on February 23, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Generally I am not in favor abortion as retroactive contraception BUT I have a daughter and if given the choice between abortion and screwing up the rest of her life, I would support her no matter which choice she made. I would want her to have the option.
crosspatch on February 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM
I was thinking the same thing.
I have enjoyed our discussions in the past.
Not a troll.
ColtsFan on February 23, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Hi I am the Right Wing. I believe all people shouldn’t have sex until after they are married.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 6:40 PM
That’s fine “THE CHOSEN ONE” you can believe that, but you have no right to enforce your beliefs on others. You are free to believe whatever you want to, but you have exactly zero right to force me to live according to your beliefs.
crosspatch on February 23, 2008 at 6:41 PM
crosspatch on February 23, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Took the words right out of my mouth.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Hussein Obama has a 100% Pro-Abortion Record….
Such a Nice Little Christian Boy with Big Ears…..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21615320@N06/2183273307/
awesum on February 23, 2008 at 6:49 PM
If by “we” you mean the state, I have to respectfully disagree. More state sponsored sex education is gasoline on the fire.
labrat on February 23, 2008 at 6:49 PM
The “CHOSEN LIBERAL ONE” has Herpes….
awesum on February 23, 2008 at 6:50 PM
The “CHOSEN LIBERAL ONE” or is Gay….
awesum on February 23, 2008 at 6:52 PM
Well labeled, sir. In the end, some “crusading doctor” gets rich off of these operations, and it is in his best interest to perform as many as possible.
I don’t think this story is a pro-choice or pro-life issue, it’s a pro-law issue. If the law wasn’t followed, PP or whoever the guilty party turns out to be should face the penalty.
O/T: Good to have you posting here again, See-Dub. I always enjoy your contributions.
joewm315 on February 23, 2008 at 6:53 PM
I think the HotAir community is a little bit above this sort of ridiculousness. Please stop.
joewm315 on February 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM
It’s kind of like the Adam and Eve story. That was a real smart f’n trick. You can have any tree in here except that one. Who wouldn’t be curious. Human nature.
THE CHOSEN ONE
Well my Liberal Gay friend(sic)…….
I guess sex education is all about Yes You Can…….
With absolutely NOT A SINGLE SOLITARY No You Can’t…
Your Logic is PURE Liberal Dung……..
awesum on February 23, 2008 at 6:57 PM
awesum on February 23, 2008 at 6:57 PM
You forgot to say I was going to hell.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 7:00 PM
I think the HotAir community is a little bit above this sort of ridiculousness. Please stop.
joewm315
————–
Maybe you cannot recognize a Gay Liberal posting…….but I can……
Besides, why is being called Gay so bad….I thought it was a beautiful thing, Such as is taught to our grade school children.
awesum on February 23, 2008 at 7:01 PM
You forgot to say I was going to hell.
THE CHOSEN ONE
———-
I REST MY CASE HOTAIR……
awesum on February 23, 2008 at 7:02 PM
IrishEi on February 23, 2008 at 6:08 PM
I don’t really know. I just believe that at a certain point after three or four months that BABY has developed a soul and a bond with the mother. That’s just my feeling, I am in no way am a doctor or gynecologists. Though I do have extensive experience with the female anatomy. Hmmm. My previous point was somewhat unfinished in this sense. We can’t possibly ask our teens not to have sex and just tell them because they are too young. I was that age once, and I wasn’t going to listen to that nonsense either.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 6:16 PM
try reading, you find out all kinds of stuff.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 7:04 PM
I hope you didn’t tell your daughter her existence was optional. Do you really think she screwed up the rest of your life?
fourstringfuror on February 23, 2008 at 7:06 PM
The COSEN GAY LIBERAL ONE just loves Sponge Bob….
Don’t Ya’………..
awesum on February 23, 2008 at 7:10 PM
I’m sure it is tougher when the person involved is your daughter. I can’t speak on that. But I do know that adoption is still an option.
A tough choice, to be sure, but I want people to truly look at all options.
joewm315 on February 23, 2008 at 7:10 PM
The focus in “educating” young people has got to be shifted from what happens when you insert tab A into slot B, to restoring the sanctity and value of life through accountability to self and, yes, to God. Otherwise, there is zero incentive to ‘do the right thing’.
labrat on February 23, 2008 at 7:12 PM
The Chosen One……
A GAY man spouting about all over the internet about the grand eloquence of abortion…….
Give me a break……Just like Superman can walk again if only……..
awesum on February 23, 2008 at 7:12 PM
Beat me to it. I have a daughter who is coming of age soon. I would not want her to make a bad choice so early in life. There are people in this country who have to adopt overseas because we dispose of children here so easily. I definitely do not think she should be able to make such a choice without my knowledge.
Les in NC on February 23, 2008 at 7:15 PM
awesum on February 23, 2008 at 7:12 PM
I love pussy, bro. I’m sorry that when someone disagrees with you that you have no other means of coping that calling me gay. If you have children, may god give them better guidance than the hate you bring here.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 7:15 PM
I love pussy, bro. I’m sorry that when someone disagrees with you that you have no other means of coping that calling me gay. If you have children, may god give them better guidance than the hate you bring here.
THE CHOSEN ONE
—————————
Sooooooooo easy to lie on the boards, Eh’ Bro…….
Gays HAVE EXACLY THE SAME STANCE AS YOU…….
awesum on February 23, 2008 at 7:18 PM
Cleanup in aisle 3… See-Dub? Anyone?
joewm315 on February 23, 2008 at 7:20 PM
joewm315
Nice to see a butt buddy of the chosen……..
awesum on February 23, 2008 at 7:23 PM
joewm315
profile……
http://youtube.com/user/joewm315
awesum on February 23, 2008 at 7:25 PM
Yep, that’s me. Here’s another one for you. Let’s be buds.
joewm315 on February 23, 2008 at 7:29 PM
Here, rather.
joewm315 on February 23, 2008 at 7:30 PM
The abortion industry is vastly under-regulated–no other medical (or in this case, anti-medical) sphere is as free from government intrusion.
jgapinoy on February 23, 2008 at 7:35 PM
The KS abortion industry empire fought back and deposed Kline as attorney general…and installed their own man…who switched parties from Republican to Democrat to get on the ballot…and subsequently had to quit because of morals charges (thus explaining the switch)!!!
Kline got the Johnson County attorney job vacated by the disgraced abortion industry empire candidate, and continues the good fight….winning again, and again, and again!
landlines on February 23, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Indeed.
labrat on February 23, 2008 at 7:46 PM
You’ve been reading abortion industry propaganda: haven’t you learned to fact-check any stories found in MSM? Kline (still) wants to prosecute adults who had sex with minors, and wants to prosecute those who knew about it and were shielding the offenders: in other words, Kline wants to enforce existing laws!!!
(a novel concept these days!)
landlines on February 23, 2008 at 7:50 PM
You should’ve seen the face I made when I read that.
SouthernGent on February 23, 2008 at 7:56 PM
I don’t particularly care for THE CHOSEN ONE, he’s a bit to sarcastic and liberal for my tastes, but you are so out of line. This is not dKos or Huff and Puff, if you want to post trash like this then dKos or Huff and Puff are where you need to be posting.
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Somewhere, a bridge is missing its troll.
fourstringfuror on February 23, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Wow…..a couple of beers, dinner, sit back down and BANG…..a thread of sharp pointy sticks.
Hey Nonfactor…….howdy! Good to have you back to keep us reactionary SOBs thinking.
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 8:26 PM
You’re both part of the reason why I’m not eager to tell my friends about HA.
jgapinoy on February 23, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Come on, you don’t like the repressed homoerotic innuendo? ;)
fourstringfuror on February 23, 2008 at 8:28 PM
I appreciate everyone rushing to my rescue, however when dealing with these types, it’s just best to give them the rope and get out of the way.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 8:30 PM
If I wanted to read garbage like that I’d go to kos or DU or Huff and Puff.
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Sorry I disagree, giving them rope allows far to much garbage to be heaped against our hosts here. Michelle does need it nor do Bryan or Allah.
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 8:32 PM
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 8:30 PM
This next question will determine if you and I will ever be able to share bread? Do you like Tool?
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 8:33 PM
See-Dub, glad you aren’t afraid of making people think either. You know better then I how abortion threads always end up. Sorta like Allah’s Hail Mary threads. Keeps us on our toes.
Disclaimer….I’m 100% anti-choice.
Reading through this thread it amazes me how some of the ‘follow-the-law-close-the-border’ crowd suddenly turn into ‘he-has-a-personal-agenda’ crowd when it comes to abortion. What is it folks? Enforce all the laws or just the ‘good’ ones?
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 8:35 PM
doriangrey
A yes or no will suffice. No need for a lengthy dossier.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Hmmm, I have a degree in music, you tell me….
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 8:38 PM
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 8:38 PM
I officially forgive doriangrey for his irrational thoughts and endless circular logic. He
likesloves Tool. Anyone here who doesn’t a)love Tool or b)know who Tool is should be sent to Guantanamo.THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Maverick/Maynard 08′
Danny Carey Secretary of State
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Respect and admire their skill and talent would be a much better description.
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Yeah…I agree he seems that way from that article. My problem with the entire issue is that we as a people refuse to force the lawmakers to makeup their minds. This is either a States Rights issue or it is a Federal Issue. You have 50 different state laws, and one SCOTUS ruling.
Constitutional issue? or States issue? For or against, right or wrong, pro or con, Choice or Life, it would seem until we decide who the hell has jurisdiction over this issue it will never be solved.
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 8:48 PM
I wish I had something intelligent to add to this. I am totally anti-abortion, but I’m also a federalist. I want to see the ability of the federal government to intrude into the lives of law abiding citizens as minimal as national security will permit. But man do I think abortion is wrong.
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Respect and admire their skill and talent would be a much better description.
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Back to disliking you and your poor debate skills.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Whoosh, for a moment I was afraid you were going to offer me a beer… :P It’s not them I don’t care for, its their genre of music. They are very very good at what they do. Good enough for me to enjoy it when someone else plays it, but not quite good enough for me to purchase it or download it myself. Like I said, its not them per say, its the genre.
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 8:59 PM
dorian…
That’s the rub isn’t it. Me, I believe that the nano-second that the little fella completes his mission, the deal is sealed. I’ve yet to find anyone who can tell me that the product of that completed mission will be a giraffe, elephant, leopard, or snapping turtle. I think the end product only comes out one way.
Then my ‘keep the Fed’s outta my face’ self kicks in. I lean toward it being a States issue the same way I believe that the death penalty should be a states issue. There are plenty of people who don’t think that way. This issue isn’t going to have a beginning-of-the-end until someone figures out where that beginning is.
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 9:00 PM
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