McCain hoisted by his own campaign finance petard
posted at 8:33 am on February 22, 2008 by Michelle
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The nation’s top federal election official told Sen. John McCain yesterday that he cannot immediately withdraw from the presidential public financing system as he had requested, a decision that threatens to dramatically restrict his spending until the general election campaign begins in the fall.
The prospect of being financially hamstrung by the very fundraising system he helped create is the latest in a series of bitter challenges for the presumed GOP nominee, who still faces a fractured conservative coalition as he assumes the mantle of party leadership.
The warning from the FEC campaign after McCain launched his Silky-like fund-raising appeal in the wake of the NYT attack:
Within hours of the article’s publication, McCain sought to turn it to his advantage, sending out a fundraising appeal decrying the “baseless attacks” and urging contributions. “With your immediate help today, we’ll be able to respond and defend our nominee from the liberal attack machine,” McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, said in an e-mail.
But McCain’s attempts to build up his campaign coffers before a general election contest appeared to be threatened by the stern warning yesterday from Federal Election Commission Chairman David M. Mason, a Republican. Mason notified McCain that the commission had not granted his Feb. 6 request to withdraw from the presidential public financing system.
The implications of that could be dramatic. Last year, when McCain’s campaign was starved for cash, he applied to join the financing system to gain access to millions of dollars in federal matching money. He was also permitted to use his FEC certification to bypass the time-consuming process of gathering signatures to get his name on the ballot in several states, including Ohio.
By signing up for matching money, McCain agreed to adhere to strict state-by-state spending limits and an overall limit on spending of $54 million for the primary season, which lasts until the party’s nominating convention in September. The general election has a separate public financing arrangement.
But after McCain won a series of early contests and the campaign found its financial footing, his lawyer wrote to the FEC requesting to back out of the program — which is permitted for candidates who have not yet received any federal money and who have not used the promise of federal funding as collateral for borrowing money.
The consequences:
If the FEC refuses McCain’s request to leave the system, his campaign could be bound by a potentially debilitating spending limit until he formally accepts his party’s nomination. His campaign has already spent $49 million, federal reports show. Knowingly violating the spending limit is a criminal offense that could put McCain at risk of stiff fines and up to five years in prison.
Hoisted by his own campaign finance petard.
Can’t say I’m reaching for the Kleenex.
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Chosen One, at a loss for rationality, spits out the desperate one dimensional racist comment.
Brilliant stuff, ol’ chap.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 12:18 PM
I don’t like McCain, and haven’t decided what to do in Nov. yet (I like Obama & Clinton much less). I do have to laugh at this predicament. Yes, I understand the quorum issue, but you campaign with the FEC you have. In this case, McCain is campaigning witht he campaign law he cosponsored. And his staff is complaining at the way the law is being interpreted?
That’s funny right there.
cs89 on February 22, 2008 at 12:19 PM
You really are worth ignoring from now on.
Stashiu3 on February 22, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Chosen One, at a loss for rationality, spits out the desperate one dimensional racist comment.
Brilliant stuff, ol’ chap.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 12:20 PM
For those critical of the fence idea….
Have you ever driven past a business, school or agency with a fence outside? It undoubtedly costs more than a ladder or shovel, yet people keep putting them up. Why?
They work. Not perfectly, and not all the time, but enough to be profitable for the tenant to invest in the fence to protect whatever’s inside. In the case of the U.S., it’s our national sovereignty. There will be illegals crossing the fence if we build it. Just a lot fewer, and easier to catch or stop if our officers see them than if they are on open ground.
Final thought- If fences don’t work on the northern border of Mexico, why does Calderon & Bush want to build one on the southern border of Mexico? Think about it.
cs89 on February 22, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Better yet, if a fence doesn’t work, why do we have one around the White House?
Snake307 on February 22, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Racist? uhh. Nice try. I’m not the one who want a Berlin like wall on the border with attack dogs, spotlights, barbed wire, and watchtowers. Hell, why not bury some land mines? The way to secure the border is legit fraud proof documentation and rounding up employers who break the law. That’s how you do it. Stop using fourteenth century tactics to stop a modern day problem. Most of you I assume are somewhat educated, right? By the way a fence that covers the entire southwestern border that works would cost more than Iraq. Work smarter, not harder people.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Snake307 on February 22, 2008 at 12:42 PM
It doesn’t. I could jump it in three seconds. Trust me been there many times.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 12:43 PM
My vote for “Quote of the Day”. Brilliant.
Stashiu3 on February 22, 2008 at 12:44 PM
You’re an idiot.
The Berlin Wall divided a city and a nation. The wall on the southern border would divide two separate nations. They serve completely different purposes. That you compare the two only shows how shallow your intellectual pool truly is. What. A. Troll.
HebrewToYou on February 22, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Chosen One illustrates his position at its core; racist and elitist, a second class population is necessary for the well being of the first class.
How 19th century.
Wake up America, Chosen One needs his lawn mowed!
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Better yet, if a fence doesn’t work, why do we have one around the White House?
Snake307 on February 22, 2008 at 12:42 PM
This is actually the worst comment in the history of mankind. The fence is no more than eight or nine feet. It’s not an electrical fence, and it has those spiky, not really sharp, thingies on top. What’s stops people is the fear that the secret service would fill them quickly with ammo.. That’s the deterrant. again. Work smarter, not harder people.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Obviously no military minds in the house this afternoon.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Oh, so if we had a fence along our southern border, and it was backed up by people with guns, and orders to shoot anyone coming over, then the fence would be effective? Great, can I have your support for that in the future?
Snake307 on February 22, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Oh, the irony.
BacaDog on February 22, 2008 at 12:54 PM
I was unaware that the Berlin wall was built to keep others from coming in and taking advantage of the communist system. Is that anything like the folks swimming from Miami to Cuba?
Please explain. That’s some cool history I’ve never heard about.
*Kickin back in my chair waiting to hear this brilliant lesson*
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 12:56 PM
1,997 Miles. How many men does that take? ummm probably ten soliers per mile. That equals 10,997 Men. Nice try there sidewinder. again work smarter, not harder.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 12:57 PM
1,997 Miles. How many men does that take? ummm probably ten soliers per mile. That equals 10,997 Men. Nice try there sidewinder. again work smarter, not harder.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Sorry, I forgot the number of engineers it will take to find and eliminate the tunnels. The cartels are now bringing engineers in to tunnel. Also, I forgot about the seven thousand miles of coastline. Man, something tells me this fence idea isn’t a real good one. again. Work smarter, not harder people.lol
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Ignore this troll. It’s too stupid to dignify with a response.
Stashiu3 on February 22, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Stashiu3 on February 22, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Yes, facts have that effect on people.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Ignoring trollish behavior.
Stashiu3 on February 22, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Chosen One:
You have only one effect, self delusion.
Answer the Berlin wall question, fact twister.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Chosen One:
And you made a false claim on the bridge deal, remember?
You represented those against the bill as focused on “rounding up” twenty million.
False. Claim.
Not factual.
Grossly misleading.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:11 PM
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:05 PM
East Berlin was part of East Germany. I’ve already given a logistics lesson this morning, don’t make to geography too.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Duncan Hunter got 16 miles of double fencing built south of San Diego, and surprise, surprise, it worked.
You won’t ever catch me saying that McCain is acceptable on immigration (well, unless and until he puts all his effort into getting at least the 700 miles worth of fence that was passed by congress and signed into law built…..and just like I don’t believe that BHO would increase the military budget, I don’t believe McCain’s gonna get that done) BUT
Obama is worse.
As John Bolton said “Worse is worse.”
Hell, I’d even take a Berlin Wall structure down there, complete with dogs or javelina or whatever.
funky chicken on February 22, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Obviously, no logistics personnel in the house today.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Perfect. It sounds like McCain’s chickens are comming home to roost. It’s about time that fool felt the effects of the stupid legislation he pushes.
I guess when his dog gets hit by a drunk illegal alien with no license or insurance, he will have an epiphany on shamnesty.
What a panderning phoney.
saiga on February 22, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Please. McCain’s troubles are about the purest example of karma. That it affects other people negatively is not karma, just a reminder that a person’s bad actions affect other people, too.
tom on February 22, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Column by Coulter was right on target.
Looks like McCain’s campaign finance chickens are coming home to roost.
Bwaa-haa-haa!!!
realitycheck on February 22, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Sallysam, you are correct. The wall was built by Communists to keep people in, not keep them out.
The question I would ask the Open Borders crowd is this. “How many illegal immigrants does South Korea get from North Korea?
Stashiu3 on February 22, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Simplified for trolls: The Berlin Wall kept people in. A fence will keep people out. You are still free to leave.
infidel on February 22, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Any bets that B. Hussein Obama’s choices for the FEC will be approved with no problem when he’s President? Now, once Obama’s, minions are in place, perhaps we’ll all have the joy of watching Maverick John McCain, the Republican Nominee, and loser in the General Election marched off to Prison for violating McCain Feingold, his own campaign finance law.
I don’t think so. There IS honor among thieves.
RWLA on February 22, 2008 at 1:16 PM
East Germany was an artificial construct. And even if you want to call it a separate nation, which is debatable, it still divided a city: Berlin. The wall at the southern border is doing no such thing.
You’re a disingenuous troll, The Chosen One. Go away.
HebrewToYou on February 22, 2008 at 1:18 PM
I’m assuming the 77 in your name has something to do with your birthdate. There is this group of people called BABY BOOMERS. You may have heard of them. They are the largest voting block in the country and are getting bigger by the minute. It’s the very reason Social Security is going bankrupt. We have way more collecting than paying. Guess what, they vote. The youth vote has always left candidates at the alter, and Mav dominates Independants. Get your facts straight and stop skipping school. Don’t mess with the Chosen One kid, you’ll get burned.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Wow, you really think you are a genius, don’t you? StenWin is the combination of two of my names BALDWIN & STENNER. All of my names (Eleanor, Darlene, Baldwin & Stenner) have 7 letters in it (as if this is ANY of your business), so I like the number 7. I graduated from Parma Sr. High School in Parma Oh in 1969 – I think you can google that for confirmation. Anything else you’d like to know?
My birthday is 6/28/1951… so, my friend, I AM A STINKIN BABY BOOMER and you, my friend are a disgrace to the rest of us.
“DON’T MESS WITH THE CHOSEN ONE OR YOU’LL GET BURNED” is just so, oh, scarey. I’m not going to be able to sleep at night.
stenwin77 on February 22, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Incapable of doing the math, I see. Let’s combine geography with comparative political analysis, shall we.
Your “Berlin wall like” statement suggests we have people planning to escape the US in a jerry-rigged bathtub and make the break to Cuba.
Care to explain.
I didn’t think so.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:18 PM
I like the plan from last time. Build a big mote from San Diego to Brownsville, fill it with snakeheads, water moccasins, and aligators, then put McCain and Teddy in the moat.
saiga on February 22, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Stashiu3 on February 22, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Again missing the point, just like the “White House Fence”
North Koreans would flood that fence if there werent’ commies and machine guns ready to mow em down. gosh, gee wiz, zykes.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:20 PM
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Incapable of doing the math? I see. Let’s combine geography with comparative political analysis, shall we.
Your “Berlin wall like” statement suggests we have people planning to escape the US in a jerry-rigged bathtub and make the break to Cuba.
Care to explain.
I didn’t think so.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Apologies for double posting.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:20 PM
saiga on February 22, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Boats.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:20 PM
No sh^%, Sherlock.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Hey, a big old wall is just a big old wall. It stops people from crossing where the wall is built.
Call it the Juarez wall or the Tijuana wall. Well, I guess Duncan Hunter took care of the Tijuana problem.
Or call it a fence if “wall” is too historically charged. That sounds kinda like PC language police reasoning?
funky chicken on February 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM
It’s all about the paperwork people. Tamper and fraud proof identification and arrest the employers who break the law. No need for big bad fence.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Ignoring trollish behavior (again).
Stashiu3 on February 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM
The 38th parrallel argument is the funniest thing I’ve ever heard.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Eh, you toss in McCain, you get Huckabee for GOP nominee.
I want McCain to keep Obama out of the Oval Office, and then to have to deal with my Senator (Jeff Sessions) if/when he tries anything shifty.
Sessions will have a lot easier time getting support above that 40 number if it’s a GOP sitting in the WH than if it’s the Obamassiah.
funky chicken on February 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Fences make good neighbors. And fences can’t be called “racist” or whatever.
It’s one piece of the puzzle that would slow the flood of illegals to a more manageable level.
funky chicken on February 22, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Okay, assuming I agree, why must we secure the blessings of liberty to lawbreakers in order to make it happen?
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:26 PM
To the “build the fence” coalition on this board today: Have any of you ever SEEN the border between Texas and Mexico? There are places where it’s virtually impossible to build a fence. And, the land is owned by Texas landowners, not the state or the federal government.
Getting South Texans to give up their rights as landowners and the rights to the WATER in the Rio Grande for ranching is going to be a VERY hard sell, indeed.
pullingmyhairout on February 22, 2008 at 1:28 PM
With the cash the folks here want to spend on a fence, why not just pay for five or six mexican revolutions. Then, maybe they could feed their people considering they have more natural resources per person than any country in the world.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:28 PM
I think that’s the reason Coburn endorsed McCain too. He knows that if McCain wins he can stop the worst of what could come from the WH. He won’t have the numbers to hold a filibuster against Obamassiah.
funky chicken on February 22, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Okay, assuming I agree, why must we secure the blessings of liberty to lawbreakers in order to make it happen?
Please speak in elementary terms, this way too deep even for THE CHOSEN ONE.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Chosen One:
You’re smart to avoid my questions. I admire your political skills. You’re going to go far in the to the Democratic Party.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Keep dreaming…McCain didn’t listen to them on IMMIGRATION and IF (a big IF) he gets in, he won’t listen…remember he is “principled” (it’s such a glowing trait about him but apparently not a good trait for those of us not fooled by him and won’t vote for him)… he tells you what you want to hear until he gets your vote, then it’s back to HIS principles…
No thanks, I like my enemies right where I can see them and know what they will do… (not behind my back, in closed rooms, siding with the enemy, dreaming up ways to get “their principles” passed)
TOPV on February 22, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Registered Independant. I don’t sleep with either of the end of the fruitcake spectrum.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Your right. I gues killer bees could cover that.
Think of a fence as being like a chastity belt. Foolish, idealistic do gooders couldn’t free criminal aliens to have their way with our vulnerable Southern boarder (if we made up our minds to keep them out). The Berlin wall wasn’t perfect, but it was a sucessful deterant for many years. Kind of like the effect gates have on gated communities.
saiga on February 22, 2008 at 1:35 PM
A suspect you’d drown in a mud puddle.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:35 PM
I thought it was a very good question. I also note that you never really answered it. If it’s the Secret Service that really stops people, which seems reasonable, then why do they bother putting up a fence?
Ever hear of “defense in depth?”
tom on February 22, 2008 at 1:35 PM
tom on February 22, 2008 at 1:35 PM
It’s been there since the days when Presidents could openly greet the public. i.e. Woodrow Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt days. Also, the gardener gets pissed.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Anyone keeping score here?
My take on the fence thing…if they don’t work, why do so many of my neighbors have them? Come to think of it, why do we even have those pesky doors?
sleepy-beans on February 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I’m not prejudiced against registered independents. Some of my friends are registered independents.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I will bet any amount that every senator and congressman has a fence around their house.
jukin on February 22, 2008 at 1:41 PM
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wall_of_China
Good read.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:42 PM
jukin on February 22, 2008 at 1:41 PM
And probably a security guard with a firearm.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM
I’m an unregistered independent, registered as a Republican, so I can vote in the GOP primaries.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM
You should listen to your friends more often.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Okay, Salty. Let’s end this. You agree that fraud proof id and the immediate arrest of employers who break the law are the best way to stop illegal immigration. I’ll agree to stop teasing your juvenile positions.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Yeah, let’s get off that Berlin wall thing, that was a logistics disaster.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 1:48 PM
A fence will not keep illegals from crossing the border. However, a fence backed up by enough enforcement officers will secure the phisical border. That is where the Great Wall came up short, and the Berlin Wall did not.
Overstaying visas is the stinker. We need to kick people out of the US for good if they are cought abusing their visa priveleges.
Also, I feel bad for the people of Darfour, but I don’t want all of them over here. We have a wonderful thing here in the USA, and we can sure pi$$ it away if we don’t protect what we have. It takes money and effort to get foreigners up to US speed, and we just can’t empty every slum or every peasant country and bring them here. It would bring the US to her knees very quickly.
saiga on February 22, 2008 at 1:48 PM
saiga on February 22, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Damn you saiga, we just went through THIS. Someone wasn’t paying attention. 1,997 Miles. Probably need ten soldiers per mile. That’s uh, uh 10,997 soldiers, not to mention the tunneling, the canadian border, 7,000 miles of coastline. I’M ALL FOR CONSERVATIVES BEING PISSED OFF ABOUT IMMIGRATION, BUT AGAIN WORK SMARTER NOT HARDER. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Fine. Just reschedule the official nomination for something like March 6th, right after McCain takes Texas and Ohio, and has enough to go over the top. Then the general campaign beings and McCain can raise unlimited funds. Hold the Republican National Convention at its regular scheduled date but make it purely ceremonial.
indythinker on February 22, 2008 at 1:55 PM
1,997
x 10
= 19,970
Ignore this troll. Please.
Stashiu3 on February 22, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Stashiu3 on February 22, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Thanks for correcting a history major. Oh, by the way, you just doubled my point. Preciate it.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Working effectively may not be working smarter or harder, but working effectively gets results, and that is where I am at. Jimmy Carter worked smart.
15,000 soldiers on the border doesn’t bother me, but it wouldn’t take that many. If we employed a diverse number of deterants on the border with the latest access control technology, we could damn sure do better than we are doing. We need to do what it takes, and I want results. If we waste a little money in the process, what the hell. We waste millons every hour on far less important issues than the border invasion.
saiga on February 22, 2008 at 2:00 PM
saiga on February 22, 2008 at 2:00 PM
THANK YOU SAIGA!!! Exactly, no need for big bad fence, you can patrol the border with drones, cameras, whatever. Big bad fence too costly, too ugly, too time consuming, too reactionary. In the end though, tamper proof id and prosecuting illigal hiring dries up that ol’ well.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 2:04 PM
I did. Right at the beginning. Not paying attention again, I see.
You should have the schizophrenia thing checked out. You just thought you were teaching the class, when you just got schooled. Now, calmly sit back down at your desk.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 2:04 PM
The Americans maintain that Senator John McCain is their equal in natural rights of life, liberty, and estate. His natural liberty is protected by the American Constitutional rights of freedom of speech, press, and peaceful assembly, among others. One justly hates John McCain for his false “reform” laws, because those restrictions of Americans’ liberties undermine his and other Americans’ public discussion of good politics. For the same reason, it seems good for the Americans to support McCain’s and others’ violation of those laws for the sake of their Constitutional rights and natural liberty. According to their own higher principles, in such a vital matter, it seems good for the Americans to flout the laws against their freely financing political speech, publishing, and assembly; they should use every prudent means to protect McCain and everyone else from the enforcement of these unjust laws, and to correct or ruin those who try to maintain them on the books or in force.
Kralizec on February 22, 2008 at 2:05 PM
I think the CHOSEN ONE better take his meds – soon.
stenwin77 on February 22, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Thank you, the great NemoParticularis.
Mr. McCain wasn’t my first choice, but the ultra conservatives will deserve to be “hoisted with their own petard”. They, with their abstract dogmas, as much as the far lefties, will have contributed to the destruction of this great land, as we now know it.
Sad for this country, and sad for the world. The beacon is dimming, and both extremes will have sped the light’s fading.
Socialism, we embrace thee, never to be parted again, with all thou to us bring.
Entelechy on February 22, 2008 at 2:06 PM
And it’s still there. Rather than taking it down, new, more sophisticated barriers were put up after 9/11.
Sure, it’s only one counter-measure, and it can be overcome. But it helps. Which is exactly why Israel finally built a fence to control Palestinian terrorism.
On the other hand, if it’s treated like the Maginot line, like it’s the only barrier or measure needed, then and only then it’s doomed to fail.
tom on February 22, 2008 at 2:08 PM
ummm….like it or not, he is our nominee.
i agree with criticizing him when he’s wrong, but gloating when he’s hit with impediments to a victory in november doesn’t strike me as helpful to our already bleak chances.
its vintage duh on February 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Sure, it’s only one counter-measure, and it can be overcome. But it helps. Which is exactly why Israel finally built a fence to control Palestinian terrorism.
Isn’t isreal like the size of like Rhode Island, like.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 2:12 PM
I’ve got the perfect person to man one of those watch towers with a machine gun.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 2:04 PM
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 2:14 PM
I want tough employer sanctions that have real mean teeth. I want tamper proof cards like the new “TWIC” cards.(Transportation Worker Identification Cards). I spoke with my congressman just the other day about this (Nick Lampson), and he said it looks like this technology will ultimately become a national ID card needed for domestic air travel and other things. I want to end Anchor babies. I want to end free education for illegals , free hospital care for illegals, and welfare benifits for illegals. I want people that demonstrate a respect for our laws, and want people that demonstrate contempt for our laws to go back to where they came from.
Sometimes tough love can appear mean spirited, but oh well.
We have plenty of American Citizens that need these resources, and wasting them of foreign nationals is a disgrace.
I believe this problem requires “tough love”, and I am a tough guy that understand solving serious problems requires serious effort and committment..
saiga on February 22, 2008 at 2:14 PM
Ugh. So McCain’s hamstrung, while Obama is raising about a million dollars a minute. Nice going, J. Sidney McCain.
aero on February 22, 2008 at 2:17 PM
saiga on February 22, 2008 at 2:14 PM
Totally agree, but let’s not compound the strain on OUR resources by building a fence that is too expensive, has no guarantees, and makes our country look like a fortress. There is a smarter way to do things. Come on America, we are the country of invention and innovation, is a fifth century fence the best we got?
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 2:20 PM
I’ve got the perfect attack dog…
THE CHOSEN ONE
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 2:21 PM
You’re really new to this game huh?
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 2:22 PM
I wrote the book.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 2:25 PM
I can’t get this image out of my head when The Chosen One does his “C’Mon People” routine.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Dude…you writing a book? I’m laughing at the image of the sweat dripping off your nose getting through the first paragraph.
Saltysam on February 22, 2008 at 2:29 PM
Maybe we can send your comedy act to the border. That will surely send them packing.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 2:31 PM
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 2:20 PM
I have spent a lot of time on the Texas border betweem Brownsville and El Paso. Mainly because of Deer hunting (Mule and Whitail)and quail hunting (Blues and Bobwhites), and dove hunting (whitwings and mourning doves).
Near the border you can see on some remote north / south pipeline rightaways the refuse of a bunch of people moving north. Trash everywhere.
I’m not ready to strike any option off the table yet. If a plan in any way represents moving forward to deal with this problem, I am listening. I agree a fence would be ugly and less than 100% effective, not to mention the construction of not only a fence, but the roads in very remote places needed to get materials to where they would need to be.
I JUST DON”T WANT PERALISYS BY ANALYSIS ON THIS ISSUE.
saiga on February 22, 2008 at 2:32 PM
So was Hillary, hoisted that is. She could not complain to a black man last night that she deserved the spot because she is a woman and has been discriminated against. Black trumps female. Put a smile on my face. :)
JiangxiDad on February 22, 2008 at 2:36 PM
I have watched people attempt to jump the fence around the White House and the spiky thingies slowed them down
I am waiting for a guard to plug one of the huge crowd of demented homeless lunatics who live around the White House receiving instructions from the Mother Ship. They obviously do not dread the ammo because the bolts for the spiky thingies happen every day
Mexicans do not fear the fence at all because they know that spikey thingies are useless. Despite the total lack of fear they do not want a fence.
Could it be an insult to machismo, the idea that a mere fence could stop a guy running to work as a chicken plucker at Tyson’s
The illegals cry for Dignidad: Give me no fence, they cry, we chose to run the gauntlet of ammo in the open, not hidden like beasts by spiky thingies. We spit upon the spiky thingies. They do not stop us. They insult us. Bring on the ammo. Throw the ammo or shoot it We shall defeat the ammo.
entagor on February 22, 2008 at 2:40 PM
In many countries in our hemisphere, squatters can wipe you out. They can claim your land, house, etc. In some Latin American countries, 90 days occupancy is all thats needed for squatters to claim your property.
Another example is Kosovo, where Albanian squatters overran the Serb population.
I am watching, right before my very eyes, the same exact thing happening here. It feels very very wrong to me, and I feel obligated as an American citizen to try and bring attention to this problem.
saiga on February 22, 2008 at 2:40 PM
saiga on February 22, 2008 at 2:32 PM
We need a comprehensive reform bill that alocates guest worker identification and enforcement of illegal hires. We had a chance to do it ten months ago, but the right wing of the party got all pissy, because we didn’t respond to the border with a Normandy type military response. Now we get nothing until perhaps after the election. Even then it won’t be as good as we had it, because dems will pickup more congressional seats and perhaps the white house. I doubt the latter.
Also, we need to declare war on Mexico. They are loaded with wealth, but ten to twelve guys hold the key to that. My father is in furniture and says down there one dude controls the iron, another controls timber, etc… The real enemy here is not the people trying to feed there famalies, it’s the officials and the aristocracy of Mexico. So instead of sending troops to the border, lets SEND TROOPS ACROSS THE BORDER ALL THE WAY TO THE CAPITOL AND KICK SOME ASS ON THESE PUNKS!!!!
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 2:42 PM
slowed them down
entagor on February 22, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Notice slowed them down not stopped them.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 22, 2008 at 2:46 PM
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