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Video: Hillary’s plagiarism knocks on Obama getting lamer by the minute

posted at 9:48 am on February 21, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Another day, another mysterious YouTube video featuring years-old, hard-to-find footage. Behold the redefinition of “plagiarism”: From lifting material without someone’s consent to lifting material with their consent to two lightweights phoning in the same watery pap about “changing Washington” that neophyte candidates have been using for 200 years. When does Obama get accused of having plagiarized himself?


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Yeah…but when that watery pap is stated in almost exactly the same words, one begins to wonder if this guy has ever had an original idea.

nailinmyeye on February 21, 2008 at 9:58 AM

Strange. I find myself actually feeling sorry for Hillary Clinton.

Professor Blather on February 21, 2008 at 10:01 AM

Maybe we’ll only know how original and substantial his ideas are only after her has submitted to discussion and questioning from a nonworshiper.

snaggletoothie on February 21, 2008 at 10:01 AM

And Hillary better not have ANY speeches out there that use similar material from ANY other speeches or sources.

You know she has – and you know Obama’s peeps will find them. This is not only lame, its almost certain to backfire horribly.

I’m gonna need more popcorn.

Professor Blather on February 21, 2008 at 10:02 AM

Here’s another one.. not sure if it’s been posted yet..

IreneFingIrene on February 21, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Well, this video makes it pretty clear he’s plagiarizing everything and everyone, including Spike Lee movie scripts. He rips off Denzel playing Malcolm X. Yikes.

Yes. He. Can.

Debbie Schlussel on February 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM

When your ENTIRE candidacy is based on your ability to say absolutely NOTHING, but do it in a motivating way… sorry, this kind of trivial crap matters.

Sugar Land on February 21, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Strange. I find myself actually feeling sorry for Hillary Clinton.

It’s a temporary condition Prof, cured by a strong cup of java, a cold shower or just waiting five minutes.

Hang in there.

fogw on February 21, 2008 at 10:12 AM

Strange. I find myself actually feeling sorry for Hillary Clinton.

Professor Blather on February 21, 2008 at 10:01 AM

It isn’t a pretty sight, is it? I do so hope she’ll strike gold and prolong this thing somehow. It would be a real service to our country.

a capella on February 21, 2008 at 10:14 AM

Can someone please ask Shillary what the heck does all this have to do with B.O.’s qualifications to be President, much less hers? I mean, if she had proof that he tortures little animals in strange rituals held on dark moonlite nights in abandoned cemetaries, that would be cause for concern. But this? Come on!

pilamaye on February 21, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Debbie Schlussel on February 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM

Ah, yes. Delightful. A real leader.

a capella on February 21, 2008 at 10:18 AM

Debbie Schlussel on February 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM

Good stuff Debbie. Thanks.

MT on February 21, 2008 at 10:19 AM

One thing I’ve been thinking:

It is pretty obvious to me that Obama’s speaking style, rhetoric, and all of it falls in line with a deep and long tradition of African-American preaching. Certainly, the words used to describe him and especially his speeches are, shall we say, religious. This is consciously deliberate, and it is undeniably effective. A black preacher can stir and inspire a crowd in ways that a white preacher cannot. Obama taps into this.

In addition, while I am not as familiar with the African-American tradition of preaching, I believe that 1) the use of set-pieces, or, standard blocks of speech that can be brought into use at any time, in any sermon, is common; and, 2) it is not uncommon in this tradition to draw on particularly relevant or moving portions from the sermons of others with or without attribution (who preaches footnotes?) – and this is generally not considered plagiarism, and is not really a big deal. So, if my memory is serving me correctly, from within the tradition that Obama is working, borrowing and adapting particularly poignant words wouldn’t be anything to get in a fuss about.

What I find particularly interesting, however, is when the genre of one form of speech moves into the context of another form of speech (religiously patterned speech into the context of political discourse), then things like “plagiarism” catch the attention of people enmeshed in a different cultural pattern. Essentially, what is plagiarism in one context is not, strictly speaking, in another.

Finally – am I the only one that finds it interesting that when Huckabee or whoever on the Right makes use of religious words or imagery, the Left (and Right) gets pissed. But, when Obama uses speech patterns and rhetoric borrowed from his religious tradition, no one seems to notice? Is it because most people aren’t familiar with or interested in African-American preaching, but are really interested in how the patterns make them feel when applied to political speech? He’s espousing a secular religion here – or maybe a secular political religion.

nailinmyeye on February 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM

…a secular political religion with, as Allah says, himself as (political) Messiah.

nailinmyeye on February 21, 2008 at 10:24 AM

Debbie Schlussel on February 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM

Wow, just wow.

Denzel’s one of his favs huh? Didn’t he star in the remake of The Manchurian Candidate?

Now we have a 2008 version ….. The Madrassa Candidate.

fogw on February 21, 2008 at 10:29 AM

nailinmyeye on February 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM

Back during the OJ Simpson trial, some observers thought that Johnnie Cochran’s courtroom speeches sounded “preachy”, as if he were giving a sermon in church. Cochran would later explain that the style of speech originated in Africa and then came to America with the slaves, and has stayed with African-Americans ever since. The reason it’s called “preachy” is that most of the time whites hear this style, it’s coming from a black preacher. But in reality, it’s a style that is used for secular as well as religious speech.

Bigfoot on February 21, 2008 at 10:29 AM

nailinmyeye on February 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM

Could be, but it has seemed obvious for some time that he is trying to mimic black preaching styles. Huck’s style is to combine the old revival tent emotional appeal with a sort of Rick Warren psuedointellectualism to soften it a bit. Obama doesn’t temper it like that.Each is phony in that they both exploit emotion as the hook, and I suspect Obama is just as nasty as Huck beneath the surface.

a capella on February 21, 2008 at 10:35 AM

My goodness……..who in the hell that has any sense would actually vote for this empty suit!

Winebabe on February 21, 2008 at 10:35 AM

Bigfoot on February 21, 2008 at 10:29 AM

And, Cochran’s target audience, the jury, was predominately black. Obama’s isn’t.

a capella on February 21, 2008 at 10:39 AM

I now use Hillary’s plagiarism attacks on Obama as a sleep-aid.

Nethicus on February 21, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Tonight is the night for the Glacier to make her stand. It should be terrific theater.

swami on February 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM

Debbie Schlussel on February 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM

Hey Debbie,

Nice stuff. Thanks. How’s things in Dearborn?

swami on February 21, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Bigfoot on February 21, 2008 at 10:29 AM

That is an interesting observation. The only thing I would say in response is that I would be interested to find the relationship between African-American communication styles in general to African-American preaching styles from the time slaves were brought to America to the present. I have the sense that the movement was from religious to secular rather than the other way round. But, that would take some research, and it bears little on the overall conversation. I am quite interested about such things because I study religious communication, preaching in particular.

nailinmyeye on February 21, 2008 at 10:48 AM

I’d have to say that those comments are more than just restating the same idea. They seem totally stolen to me, and there may be a reason.

One day we’ll probably find out that some advertising execs made a bet that they could take an unknown politician of no achievements and package him in a way that millions would buy him. It would make a good movie, anyway.

Obama is the political equivalent of a Pet Rock. Or maybe a Chia Pet, or the Topsy Tail, or the Cap Snaffler. You pick the product.

rivlax on February 21, 2008 at 10:50 AM

I don’t know… I think this is at least a little bit effective. They need to lay off the usage of the word “plagiarism”, but a steady drip-drip-drip of clips like this goes a long ways towards dispelling the idea that Obama represents any sort of “change”, and illustrates quite effectively that he is really just a new face on tired, worn-out rhetoric by demogogic politicians.

DaveS on February 21, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Debbie, who made the video? It’s pretty good, accept for the Matrix bit… that was just stupid, largely irrelevant, and detracted from the effectiveness and “credibility” of the video. Pretending that claims that someone is “the one” is stolen from the Matrix is flat out retarded. Also, the video ended with a pretty mean-spirited “vibe”, which doesn’t help.

DaveS on February 21, 2008 at 11:03 AM

rivlax on February 21, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Pocket fisherman?

Wingo on February 21, 2008 at 11:14 AM

There are only so many ways to say nothing

lorien1973 on February 21, 2008 at 11:19 AM

Obama should have said…I’d like to borrow the words from my great friend…. He used them as his own…It isn’t a huge deal but it should be out there.

tomas on February 21, 2008 at 11:21 AM

DaveS on February 21, 2008 at 11:03 AM

I don’t think the Matrix references are out of line at all. Especially given the fact that Marxist dirtbag Cornel West was a script consultant on the movies. (He even appeared as a council member in the third film)

Wingo on February 21, 2008 at 11:25 AM

There are only so many ways to say nothing

lorien1973 on February 21, 2008 at 11:19 AM

…and Obama won’t stop until he’s exhausted them all.

Wingo on February 21, 2008 at 11:26 AM

There are only so many ways to say nothing

lorien1973 on February 21, 2008 at 11:19 AM

To be precise their are only so many ways to dress up his neo-socialist populist message (but seriously no one can come up with some new anti-pharma jokes).

Shtetl G on February 21, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Wingo on February 21, 2008 at 11:25 AM

I don’t think the Matrix references are out of line at all. Especially given the fact that Marxist dirtbag Cornel West was a script consultant on the movies.

You’re allowed your opinion, of course, but you would make an embarrassingly incompetent media strategist if you think its wise to dilute your message and waste valuable time by including some obscure, just barely arguably related reference to some movie which happened to use a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very commonly used and non-specific word/phrase–”the one”–which an Obama supporter (Oprah, not even Obama himself) used.

I think he’s the one” (or whatever she said) had nothing to do with the Matrix. That’s stupid, and I’m embarrassed that I’m even discussing this with you, because I can feel my own IQ trying to escape through my ears. More likely, it was Oprah appealing to a female audience which would strongly associate “the one” with a soul mate.

DaveS on February 21, 2008 at 11:41 AM

There are only so many ways to say nothing

lorien1973 on February 21, 2008 at 11:19 AM

Hammer, meet nail.

If you went over every speech given by any of the candidates and compare every sentence with every sentence spoken by other candidates before them, you’ll find the same words being used. Somehow I doubt that Obama is pouring over Spike Lee movies and John Edwards speeches looking for stuff to steal.

I’m sure as hell no Obama fan, but this barely moves the needle on the Outrage-O-Meter. Obama is an empty suit who speaks in platitudes and little else. We get it.

Hollowpoint on February 21, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Hillary is an ass, but there is a point to be made here. Obama is basically a more eloquent version of John Edwards. Of course she won’t say this as there isn’t a lick of difference in their policy positions among the 3 of them.

echosyst on February 21, 2008 at 11:55 AM

Makes you wonder if this guy ever has an original thought!!

dalec on February 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Debbie, who made the video?

DaveS on February 21, 2008 at 11:03 AM

I don’t know him or anything about him/her, but on YouTube, his/her name is “lalucha1m” and just joined yesterday. Could be a Hillary campaign person.

Give the choice between Cankles & B(Hussein)O for Dem nominee, I’d much rather have Hillary. We already know all her scams and schemes and so many people hate her, she’d be blocked a lot even by a Dem Congress. He has so much goodwill because he’s seen as Mr. GQ, plus he’s a minority, that he could wreak a lot of havoc. Plus, there are those many Nation of Islam employees he has that will probably come with him to the White House. The guy is frightening. Jimmuh Carter times 1,000, and his wife is Billy minus the beer.

Debbie Schlussel on February 21, 2008 at 12:33 PM

When does Obama get accused of having plagiarized himself?

I think Coulter had that happen. Oh and being accused of it for throwing in a cliche or two.

- The Cat

MirCat on February 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM

Debbie Schlussel on February 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM

Nicely done.

ihasurnominashun on February 21, 2008 at 1:00 PM

My goodness……..who in the hell that has any sense would actually vote for this empty suit!

Winebabe on February 21, 2008 at 10:35 AM

The Obama-nation! That’s who.

sleepy-beans on February 21, 2008 at 1:54 PM

This isn’t an issue.

No, I mean this really isn’t an issue.

I can save everyone a bunch of keystrokes with two words.

David Axelrod.

He worked for Edwards. Then he worked for Patrick. Now he works for Obama.

Nothing has been plagiarized. Nothing has been stolen. Nothing needs to be attributed to someone else.

Axelrod writes speeches, Obama repeats them.

Poorly Manufactured Controversy.

Dorvillian on February 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Obama is all rhetoric, and no substance.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on February 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Everyone here is plagiarizing my stuff. I see people using words like “the” and “he” also “that” as well as “to.”

ThePrez on February 21, 2008 at 4:10 PM

The guy has never had an original idea. He’ll fold up quickly. The Dems will regret moving all the primaries up and having their convention so late.

roux on February 21, 2008 at 5:53 PM

Will “hope” and “change we can belive in” become cliche before November? One can only take so much of that. I was sick of “Hello, my name in John Kerry, and I served in Viet Nam” I was about to jab my ear drumbs out with an ice pick. “Change we can belive in” will do the same thing in another month or two.

timpstewart on February 21, 2008 at 9:36 PM

IMO, Another day, another mysterious YouTube video featuring years-old, hard-to-find footage.

Kevin M on February 22, 2008 at 12:53 AM

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