If TSHTF, yes you’ll use an AK47 if you need to. However Mr. Hussein Obama is either 1, ignorant, or 2 just showing his bias towards military and the war effort or maybe just has no idea what he’s talking about.

I guess he really does think we are sheep and he is the great Shepard…

TFM

I did not have the misfortune opportunity to watch the Democratic debate last night however I have caught some of the highlights while browsing the blogsphere today. One of the highlights stands out above all others as it appears to be a blatant lie b…

The way Obama used his mis-told story was clunky and a load of BS….

catmman on February 22, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Aw frick!

Critical thinking skills is important.
jdun on February 22, 2008 at 11:34 AM

They is?

Even so — scavenging for weapons from jihadi cavemen?

IF this is true – I should think that it would be best described as “grabbing what’s handy” in the midst of a firefight. Not quite the same thing, Mr. Obama – less of an act of despair, more of an act of economy and common sense.

The 5.56 doesn’t tumble. The 5.45×39 does. The 5.56 will fragment at above a certain speed.

I believe over 99% of all AR for civilian use are design to chamber 5.56. If it can chamber 5.56 it will chamber .223 rem but not the other way around (you can but not a good idea).

M4 has a 14.5 inch barrel not 16. That is a fact.

Only SpecOps are allow to use enemy type weapons like the AK. I do not know where you got the idea that tank crews were issued AK-47. If you use some critical thinking skills the 7.62×39 is not a standard Nato round hence the chance of them getting ammo for the assault rifle is almost zero. With that said there are many Allied countries that are in Iraq and Afghanistan that use AKs.

Rifle and pistol calibers are different. A 5.56 will not stop inside the human body. It will go through the body. Even pistol in FMJ will do it. Hollow point pistol caliber are design to “open/expand” when entering the body. This slow the bullet down and make a bigger hole. Over penetrating is limited when using hollow point ammo in pistol caliber. Rifle hollow point doesn’t expand. The cavity is too small. What it does it increase the accuracy of the bullet in flight. Soft point (lead tip point) will allow rifle caliber to expand.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/
http://www.ammo-oracle.com/

It could depend on what the definiton of “tallybahn weapons” IS.

Taliban in body armor. Who wants to use that junk?

There’s nothing more ridiculous than saying that American soldiers use enemy equipment, as Barack insisted today in his debate with Hillary Clinton.

First, what does the enemy have: AK-47s and o…

A bullet can fragment at low velocity and high velocity.

Bullets (unless specifically designed to do so) are also not made to fragment. If one is pushed too fast it CAN fragment, but unless it impacts something, it SHOULDN’T fragment.

Military bullets specifically are not designed to fragment, nor are they designed to “mushroom” (as in a hollowpoint bullet).

Again, we’re dealing with basics here. The factors which affect velocity, “tumble”, “shock trauma”, fragmentation etc. are myriad.

Weather. Environment. Bullet construction. Manufacture(r). Powder. Primer. Case. Weapon – cleanliness, barrel temperature. Operator proficiency. Inspection. You name it.

In the debate Barack Obama made a statement that might lend credence to Hillary’s new mantra about being ready to be Commander in Chief. Obama told a story that is rather nuanced. Yes it has elements of truth but some items are half truths desi…

In the debate Barack Obama made a statement that might lend credence to Hillary’s new mantra about being ready to be Commander in Chief. Obama told a story that is rather nuanced. Yes it has elements of truth but some items are half truths desi…

As to bullet “tumble”. All bullets tumble when they impact a target, especially at long distances. If you are hit by a high power rifle bullet (usually inside 300 meters) then tumble is probably not much of a factor, unless the bullet begins bouncing off of bones, or is deflected by something just prior to entering the body.
catmman on February 22, 2008 at 12:10 PM

You have it backwards- high velocity is needed for the fragmentation and tumbling effects, not lower velocity as would be the case at longer ranges. Once a 5.56 round drops to around 2500 fps, it’s much less likely to tumble and fragment and is more likely to go through clean.

Of course this is politics and there almost always is no context from same politicians…

a capella: the velocity loss from barrel length is about right generally speaking. Your right, we’re arguing both sides of the equation here.

My larger point was that there seems to be(is) a fair amount of misinformation out there when it comes to firearms and their performance.

Anti-gunners have tried to make the case using velocity to further their aims, and an unknowing public falls for it since their own education from firearms comes from what they see in the movies or TV, or hear an anti-gunner spout.

Things should become clearer, and questions answered, as the day passes. As far as the 2003 story; that wouldn’t make him a liar, as some have called him. I would like to hear from the Pentagon as to whether this deficiency has been corrected. Isn’t that what matters?

Surely, you’re not calling him a liar.
sandman on February 22, 2008 at 4:19 PM

When the Captain, Himself, actually appears in public to give his story, I’ll be willing to accept it it as probably true.

So far we only have second hand reports: How do we know that Tapper actually talked to an actual Captain who actually served under those conditions?

Did the reporter call him on the telephone; Or did the supposed Captain contact him? Did the reporter journey to Ft. Durm and interview the Captain in person?

Without further information we have no idea if Tapper is ’shading the truth’ for reasons of his own, or if he was duped by a Obama operative.

it looks as though Obama said nothing wrong

Even if this supposed Captain’s tale is completely true, Obama did say something wrong by relating a tale set in 2003 as being a current situation.

You know, I am rethinking my position that Hillary would be the easier of the two candidates for McCain to whoop in November. Obama demonstrated last night (H/T to Gateway Pundit) that he is just not ready for the job of Commander-In-Chief. Here he i…

Exit question: For those of you who ever bought a gun for anthing practical, did the salesman at Store X EVER bring up that “indeed, this weapon imparts X amount of kinetic energy when it propels Y mass at target Z using A amount of B powder and C bullets, but you must first make sure you have D brand of casing so LMNOP blah, blah, blah…?!!!!”

Sorry again…

catmman on February 22, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Nope. But, I don’t ask salesmen questions like that. Mostly, just how much does it cost. I do reload quite a bit, and am involved wih the health sciences. The reason I asked the original question about barrel length was because when I bought my AR-15 with the 16 inch barrel, My gunsmith told me you would lose about 100-200 ft/sec for every inch of barrel lost. A 22 incher yields about 3000 ft/sec, losing 6 inches costs at least 600 ft/sec, so you are left with about 2400 ft/sec. Doesn’t mean it isn’t still lethal. While your point about vital hits is well taken, high velocity is part of the killing equation with a low mass slug or they could just use subsonic rounds. I think we are arguing the extremes on both sides of the question here. I understand your point about accuracy, but the ballistic information is also germane.