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posted at 10:00 pm on February 16, 2008 by Bryan

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More people vetting stories more quickly = More truth. It’s elementary my dear Watson!

Troy Rasmussen on February 16, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Access ala HotAir, Michelle Malkin.com and others makes for a robust stew of continuous commentary and vetting… the new free speech!

T J Green on February 16, 2008 at 10:21 PM

Somewhere an MSM elite is dying a little inside…

Damian G. on February 16, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Somewhere an MSM elite is dying a little inside…

Damian G. on February 16, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Because we won’t fall for their spinsh!t anymore.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 16, 2008 at 10:31 PM

the msm will believe this only after they start teaching blogging at CSJ

reliapundit on February 16, 2008 at 10:43 PM

The video won’t load, what happened.

ninjapirate on February 16, 2008 at 10:46 PM

Wellll….

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22goddamn+piece+of+paper%22

Seems to me the blogosphere busts some myths and creates others.

Hiney Von Pewps on February 16, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Journalism 1.0, meet Journalism 2.0

Kini on February 16, 2008 at 10:57 PM

The video won’t load, what happened.

ninjapirate on February 16, 2008 at 10:46 PM

It worked for me, but lets try to get Bryan to stop using Redlasso!

Chakra Hammer on February 16, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Somewhere an MSM elite is dying a little inside…

Damian G. on February 16, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Because we won’t fall for their spinsh!t anymore.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 16, 2008 at 10:31 PM

Much better to fall for some blogger’s ‘spinsh!t’ and proceed to argue about it’s authenticity for days instead! *thumbs up*

That being said, where do most bloggers get the majority of their headlines, topics and articles from?

Reaps on February 16, 2008 at 11:05 PM

Maybe becasue bloggers CARE about the facts when the MSM doesn’t have to really care.

SouthernGent on February 16, 2008 at 11:08 PM

For instance, I know a lot of antiBush myths which have been created on the web. Well, the litany of nonsense propagated on the web is extensive. Suffice it to say, i don’t now if we’ve entered into an era where the left no longer controls the message.

Hiney Von Pewps on February 16, 2008 at 11:08 PM

It’s not all rathergate and fauxtography, is what I’m saying.

Hiney Von Pewps on February 16, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Here’s the other end of that search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22goddamn+piece+of+paper%22+%22fake+quote%22

Hiney Von Pewps on February 16, 2008 at 11:13 PM

I don’t know if this in the same vein, but I know I’ve come to dislike reading about things like the election, etc., in magazines; GQ tried to do a couple pieces about the candidates in thier February issue, but by the time it hit newstands, some of those candidates had already dropped out. I much prefer the up to the second info I can only get online.

Frozen Tex on February 16, 2008 at 11:17 PM

I don’t agree. You can spread lies a lot quicker, and repeat them more frequently to the gullible through the Internet.

tlynch001 on February 16, 2008 at 11:20 PM

This self correcting blogsphere as news trickles in as the story or crisis enfoldes,updates as more new information is made available is one of the hallmarks of the this website
Hot-Air.

Updates are updating faster that ALLAHPUNDIT,or Bryan can
type,or should I say update!

So,any information on ABC,CBS,NBC,etc is already bird doo
doo paper for the cage,less than a nano second after the report comes in!

I should of thrown in the left leaning commie leftsphere,
like the dinosuar,to heck with the updates,especially if
the news is about the right,let it sit for awhile till it
serves their political purposes!

canopfor on February 16, 2008 at 11:27 PM

Fake Lincoln Quotes: A case study

If one performs a very generalized search string such as lincoln “fake quote”, one is immdiately presented with dozens of deunkings of this:

Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged. — President Abraham Lincoln

…as uttered by Republican Rep. Don young (out of 1750 hits).

Indeed if we narrow the search to lincoln saboteurs hanged “fake quote”, you get 88 hits.

Contrastingly we can look at a fake Lincoln quote progressives use dependably:

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”

…using the search string lincoln corporations enthroned “fake quote”, we end up with 10 hits.

including
1 false positive for the entire string,

1 false positive for “fake quote” in a page which asserts the fake quote,

2 hits from democrat forums asserting the second fake quote while linking triumphantly to debunkings of the first fake quote,

1 hit to a “rebunking” of the fake quote.

3 hits to liberal pages where the fake quote is debunked in the comments.

…and only one conservative blog actually debunking the fake “corporations have been enthroned” quote.

Hiney Von Pewps on February 17, 2008 at 12:02 AM

Verdict: The blogosphere is no more credible than the MSM. Perhaps less so.

More fun?

Hiney Von Pewps on February 17, 2008 at 12:06 AM

The beauty of the blogs and the internet in general is no one can sit on a story. Imagine some authority saying to the top 20 blogs “don’t put this story out”. A) It would be too late the news travels too fast now. B) If the top 20 didn’t write it a thousand others would anyway.

imshocked on February 17, 2008 at 12:10 AM

He’s right about it being self correcting. Think of all the bullsh*t that has been caught by bloggers that never would have seen the light of day. Fautography being one thing that was caught quickly.
He did say “On the other hand it can fail too”. That’s the price we pay for freedom which is why we must be ever vigilant.

imshocked on February 17, 2008 at 12:32 AM

Hiney–yeah, but who debunked the ol’ “G–damned piece of Paper” rumor, attributed to “Prof. George Harleigh?”

The blogosphere did. The truth about that quote is out there; it’s just too good for the left to check.

see-dubya on February 17, 2008 at 12:43 AM

The blogasphere is just that, a constantly changing and constantly evolving sphere of people. You have weather experts on the web who point out the flaws in the Global Warming lies. You have the ex military on here who point out the lies about the military. You have lawyers who point out what is and isn’t right in legal decisions. You have common men and women who point out their own personal views and idealism daily.

You can’t stop them, there are too many. It would be just too hard to stop them all. If you use the immigration argument and apply it to the internet.

We have a website that does nothing but point out the liberal bias of and mistakes of the NY Times. Which I might add is a full time job in and of itself. The list goes on and on.

Snake307 on February 17, 2008 at 12:48 AM

but who debunked the ol’ “G–damned piece of Paper” rumor,

see-dubya on February 17, 2008 at 12:43 AM

According to google, one per four thousand six hundred and fifty people who spread it around.

If the information is out there, it hardly seems to matter. If the stats on the “self-correcting” nature of the blogosphere is that a lefty lie is debunked once for every 4650 times it’s told, while righty misattributions are debunked 90 times per single incidence, then I don’t see how conservatives would conclude that they’ve been liberated from the MSM’s leftwing information control by the internet.

Hiney Von Pewps on February 17, 2008 at 1:03 AM

He’s right about it being self correcting.

It isn’t usually self correcting, but it is often others-correcting.
To find a story debunked or corrected, the reader still often has to seek out the correction at site other than the one originally giving the misinformation. That is only useful if the reader is looking for the correction.

To pretend the ‘blogosphere’ has any group qualities is folly.

MayBee on February 17, 2008 at 1:29 AM

The internet returns us to when hundreds of newspapers in each big city screamed different political versions of the Gospel truth. The journalism is purple and yellow, and in the rare occasion, like Hot Air (ahem) pure as the driven snow. We can like it or not. I like it. We’re going to have to live with it.

laelaps on February 17, 2008 at 1:40 AM

Hmm. Perhaps better looked upon as the blogosphere is good at calling the ‘msm’ when they screw up; occasionally the msm and the general public pay enough attention to do something about it

Honestly I wouldn’t have any idea what new scandal Kos or Huffpo have ‘uncovered’ in the last month; it would require me to visit the site, or have a place like hotair point it out as being something that needs to be called on

hmm.

Reaps on February 17, 2008 at 6:08 AM

“A Rotten Way to Pick a President”
By Sean Wilentz and Julian E. Zelizer
Sunday, February 17, 2008; B03
Washington Post

Princeton folks making note that primaries suck no thanks to reforms from the 1970′s that enabled the media (no longer party chiefs) to coronate their chosen candidate for the public to embrace.

maverick muse on February 17, 2008 at 6:15 AM

There have always been lots of fabrications. That hasn’t changed. There were always outlets that slanted one way or another and people by nature will listen to what they want to hear. The discerning reader finds information sources that tend to ring true and takes other information with a grain of salt.
The reality is 80% of people will believe just about anything. That’s always been the case and technology isn’t likely to change it. The fact that the internet levels the playing field only means that for the other 20% it’s easier find the truth.

imshocked on February 17, 2008 at 8:44 AM

This is why liberal news networks like CNN and MSNBC have lost many of their viewers over the last several years. The truth hurts liberals.

Travis1 on February 17, 2008 at 9:31 AM

Because there is not page 24 bottom corner of the page to print a retraction, or correction.
The correction in front and center, and done quickly…if not by the abuser, then by their foes.

right2bright on February 17, 2008 at 9:41 AM

Hit the button too soon…case in point, Dan Rather and the CBS fiasco…

right2bright on February 17, 2008 at 9:43 AM

Hiney: You’re missing the point. It isn’t so much that the ‘sphere is more apt to tell the truth. It’s that when the truth is told, it is told as transparently and rigorously as possible, as see-dubya’s link demonstrates. This is opposed to the MSM method of dissemination: ex cathedra.

The speed at which fact-checking happens (indeed, the speed at which it can happen) is orders of magnitude higher in the age of Google and Web 2.0. You’re correct in pointing out that the signal-to-noise ratio is not really any better (certainly worse for someone that isn’t familiar with the landscape), but with the right filter, the signal is far more easily recovered.

spmat on February 17, 2008 at 10:29 AM

spmat on February 17, 2008 at 10:29 AM

I would agree with that. We have too many examples of the MSM being corrected by the blogosphere lately and having to respond with corrections and in some cases people being fired after being proven to play loose with the facts.

Rathergate has caused some changes in the MSM as they now know that they can’t just make stuff up as easily as they used to. Although we still have a long way to go.

As for stories that develop in the blogosphere, yes there are some bogus things that pop up. But, using this site as an example, they are quickly corrected when vetted by the commentors. I understand that some sites are not as dilligent as AP, Michelle and Bryan at making sure they are accurate. But for the most part, sites that allow comments in an open and honest format police themselves very well.

Overall, it is a very healthy turn of events. And it is growing and destroying the MSM’s grip on information.

conservnut on February 17, 2008 at 10:59 AM

The Blogosphere is akin to what I remember reporting used to be, self correcting in the search for the truth. The MSM of to day reminds me of the propaganda machines of Germany,the Soviet Union,Iran, etc.

If we keep hammering away we should end up with “The Truth is out there” instead of the “Truth is Out”. On the other hand we could eventually end up spending our time in places like Siberia or other such scenic spots.

N4646W on February 17, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Suffice it to say, i don’t now if we’ve entered into an era where the left no longer controls the message.

Hiney Von Pewps on February 16, 2008 at 11:08 PM

You need only look at the current Democrat presidential frontrunner to know the Left remains the dominate force in getting out the message. They also quickly squashed any opportunity for Thompson, Romney or Guliani to make a strong run as the nominee.

Trust me, THEY are still running the show. THEY are what Republicans should fear most.

fogw on February 17, 2008 at 1:15 PM

Maybe becasue bloggers CARE about the facts when the MSM doesn’t have to really care.

SouthernGent on February 16, 2008 at 11:08 PM

Yes, you have to be willing to be corrected. The MSM has an agenda for most of their pieces.

According to google, one per four thousand six hundred and fifty people who spread it around.

If the information is out there, it hardly seems to matter. If the stats on the “self-correcting” nature of the blogosphere is that a lefty lie is debunked once for every 4650 times it’s told, while righty misattributions are debunked 90 times per single incidence, then I don’t see how conservatives would conclude that they’ve been liberated from the MSM’s leftwing information control by the internet.

Hiney Von Pewps on February 17, 2008 at 1:03 AM

86% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

- The Cat

MirCat on February 17, 2008 at 6:28 PM