Good news: McCain may be thinking about a “maverick” for VP
posted at 11:04 am on February 15, 2008 by Allahpundit
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[T]here’s increasing speculation in Washington and among McCain’s supporters that the Arizona maverick will instead run to the center and pick a more liberal vice presidential candidate.
The theory goes like this:
Barack Obama has become his party’s front-runner because he has expanded the Democratic Party. His big rallies draw crowds of nearly 20,000, unheard of for a primary campaign…
This is a strategy that simply won’t work for McCain because there is a certain bloc of core, loyal and principled conservatives who will never vote for him no matter what he says now, who he picks to run with, or who the Democratic nominee might be…
So, McCain’s only option is to run hard for the middle and hope that his centrist ticket can beat the soaring rhetoric and high promises of a likeable guy like Obama with little experience and a liberal voting record.
Smart thinkin’, except for the fact that (a) it’ll only alienate more conservatives and (b) Obama’s sure to tack towards the center himself for the general knowing that, unlike Maverick, his base will be there for him anyway in November. Which leaves McCain fighting a stalemate in the middle while his rearguard troops — led by Limbaugh, who’s hinting that he won’t endorse McCain — melt away. How bad could the melting be? Strong black Democratic turnout in the south + weak evangelical Republican turnout in the south = dude.
But who could he pick? Giuliani’s a non-starter because of his abortion position. What he needs is someone appealing enough to counter Obama, socially conservative enough to get Christians to turn out, but squishy enough on foreign policy and spending to attract moderates…
Dude.
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Kevin Spacey for VP!
lorien1973 on February 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Perfect McCain VP pick:
Noam Chomsky!
Your Jewish Master on February 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM
I know you guys don’t like this. But this makes the most sense to me. Obama is a flaiming socialist, Hillary is a frozen socialist. You don’t run against them in America with a conservative since most people who vote in the general are moderates. You run against liberals in the general as a moderate.
bnelson44 on February 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM
AP – Unfortunately you read my mind.
sleepy-beans on February 15, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Huckahu Akbar!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 15, 2008 at 11:09 AM
I wonder how hard my liver will be in eight years.
Limerick on February 15, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Conservatives like Sean and Laura Ingram will see the logic and come on board. Conservatives like Rush Limbaugh, probably won’t, but he has already carved out a position that pretty much negates him endorsing McCain anyway, so that goose is cooked already.
Really, McCain needs to run as what he is, a moderate Republican, in the general election. Most of the electorate has the same political disposition.
bnelson44 on February 15, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Yeah. Cuz that strategy works so well in the northeast, where moderate republicans routinely defeat leftist democrats. /sarc
lorien1973 on February 15, 2008 at 11:11 AM
“Increasing speculation” is exactly right. Nothing but unidentified sources “in Washington and among McCain’s supporters” wildly speculating with reporters. Who isn’t speculating at this point? I don’t see how this means anything.
sublime on February 15, 2008 at 11:12 AM
By the way, I really don’t think McCain will pick Huck as a running mate. McCain needs Utah in the Fall.
bnelson44 on February 15, 2008 at 11:12 AM
McCain-Obama…3008!
RushBaby on February 15, 2008 at 11:12 AM
But if doing so costs you the base, it’s not really a good trade. McCain is free to run as a moderate Republican. At minimum, picking a conservative VP will show that he’s aware of his need to reach out to conservatives.
Slublog on February 15, 2008 at 11:13 AM
To be honest, I think McCain has to go more centrist. Since most Conservatives won’t vote for him he has no choice.
Now maybe what the conservatives should do is break from the republican party. Since the Republicans do not mirror their interest they would not be loosing much.
It could be a repeat of the whig party. They ignore their base, the base got pissed and made the republican party and the whigs went the way of the dodo.
Wyrd on February 15, 2008 at 11:13 AM
How about someone like Kay Bailey Hutchison?
Outlander on February 15, 2008 at 11:14 AM
SECOND LOOK AT CONTRACT REDUX AND RETAKING THE HOUSE!!!!
Kid from Brooklyn on February 15, 2008 at 11:14 AM
I can live that description.
paul006 on February 15, 2008 at 11:14 AM
I dare you McCain, pick a lib for VP land you will push me to the “stay home” camp. Your global warming nonsense has you hanging on by a thread with me, but I can’t take much more and I may have to become a “stay homer”, something I thought I’d never be.
RightWinged on February 15, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Sorry, that should say:
I can live with that description.
paul006 on February 15, 2008 at 11:15 AM
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU PEOPLE. IT’S LINDSEY GRAMAM. BANK IT, BET THE FAMILY FARM!!!
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 15, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Won’t be long before the New Rebranded Moderate Republicans wade in here and start letting you know that they don’t need Conservatives, that we are welcome to leave, in fact encouraged to leave, and reinforcing their rejection with taunting, jeering, and insults.
RushBaby on February 15, 2008 at 11:17 AM
We’re on far more than our second look at staying home….
The problem is, if you run as a strong conservative and evoke an understandable message to that effect, you can win.
The aforementioned strategy might be the best course for HIM, but I also think it stands the most chance to lose.
Darksean on February 15, 2008 at 11:17 AM
This is interesting. I was listening to an Hispanic political pundit being interviewed yesterday on what McCain has to say to the Latino community about his “build the fence” tough stance he has now taken to “win” conservatives. She laughed and said, he will just say to them “those were the primaries and that’s what was needed to get the nomination”…
If this is true (McCain being the “Maverick” that he is), I can hear him cackling now, “Suckers”
TOPV on February 15, 2008 at 11:18 AM
That would just about do it for me. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! McCain can neutralize his positives with one bad move. I keep thinkin’ about what Rove said(paraphrasing) “The VP selection only matters if you pick a bad one.”
a capella on February 15, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Doc,
You just said “Huck’s the greatest!” in Arabic.
Check w/Spencer if ya don’t believe me.
But maybe you felt that way anyway??
Just checking.
Shirotayama on February 15, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Sure, she’d fit right in! Both big open borders types. Really appealing.
/s
RushBaby on February 15, 2008 at 11:19 AM
I wonder who Obama will pick for his running mate? Just about any choice other than choosing The Word Change will dilute the change-iness of his platform.
BohicaTwentyTwo on February 15, 2008 at 11:19 AM
And about November, we’ll either remind them how wrong they were or see the destruction of the Republican party as we know it. We conservatives won’t go quietly.
Big Orange on February 15, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Michael Steele??? former lt. gov. of Maryland. Great conservative creds.
sdd on February 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM
ill sit out before i put that “the golden rule as foreign policy” @ssmunch 1 heartbeat away from the presidency
ernesto on February 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM
RushBaby on February 15, 2008 at 11:17 AM
That made me think of the Israelites leaving Egypt.
samuelrylander on February 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM
McCain/Lieberman 08. Lefties would crap themselves.
DMeNTe on February 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM
It will be good PR for Mormons when Utah goes for B.O. in November. We also tend to not take the things that people say about Obamas church very seriously. Reap what you sow, Huck.
melda on February 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Y’know, in the short time you’ve been here, I’ve never seen you post anything other than inflammatory cackles calculated to turn threads into crap.
a capella on February 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM
suckers…more bait from Allah
windansea on February 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM
First of all, McCain won’t even win in November. So, Bozo, bet the farm on that.
Lindsey Graham is counting on the Attorney Gen. nod. BANK THAT !
stenwin77 on February 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Bite your tongue! Dude, I hope you’re wrong.
Tim on February 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Ooh I’ve got it. McCain/Solis-Doyle!
RushBaby on February 15, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Yeah, it’s just all too bad we can’t convince the liberal Yankee Catholic Democrats (like Kerry, Kennedy, Rudy) that they are wrong. And with all the relativist masses of atheists following right along with Obama’s message of ‘hope’, it’s a wonder there are any Republicans left.
ThackerAgency on February 15, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Throwing out these trial balloons, just to see where we (generic conservatives) stand.
Well, my choice by far would be Mitt over Huck. There is some hope that Mitt could become a conservative and help the ticket in the long run. Huck is a liberal loser, I am embarrassed to be an evangelical and have people say he represents me.
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At least I know where Mitt stands on religion; kooky religion, but good intentions; Huck’s stands are good religion (and that’s debatable), but his goals kooky.
Seeing as I am after a politician and leader, and not a religious leader, I choose Mitt over Hucka-very-lib.
right2bright on February 15, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Maybe he can put Juan Hernandez on the ticket.
Gee we are really in trouble.
Big Orange on February 15, 2008 at 11:23 AM
McCain needs to talk to Karl Rove. THe other day he said putting Huckabee on a McCain ticket would be “Doubling your trouble.”
I may consider voting for McCain if he has a young healthy, DeMint type VP but never with Huckabee on the ticket.
EJDolbow on February 15, 2008 at 11:23 AM
McCain/Lieberman 2008!
Oh wait…
spmat on February 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Depends if he’s lighter or darker than Obama.
JiangxiDad on February 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM
McCain/Huckabee….absolutely NO Huckin way would I vote for that ticket!
ihasurnominashun on February 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM
So would conservatives. So would I.
stenwin77 on February 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Holding out for McCain-Romney. Please.
icanhazcunshervativv?
OneGyT on February 15, 2008 at 11:25 AM
You noticed too? The CHOSEN ONE and Funky Chicken are birds of a feather.
stenwin77 on February 15, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Doesn’t matter a lick who Johnny Mac picks.
In a ‘good’ year 45% stand on the left, 45% stand on the right, and 10% cower in the middle. Johnny Mac, and the GOP, have already thrown away most of the base. Even if it amounts to the loss of just 5-6%….it is game over.
Hail the Donkey. Cute lil sucker.
Limerick on February 15, 2008 at 11:28 AM
I still utterly fail to grasp how someone can be a republican yet not be conservative. Or conservative without being a republican.
I know it happens. There’s plenty of historical evidence, current campaign included.
What I’m saying is I just don’t understand the machinations that go on in a person’s mind that would make them a moderate or even liberal-leaning and still call themselves “Republican”. The logic simply fails to compute in my brain.
Then again, I came of political age when Reagan was first running for POTUS. I simply can’t conceive of such a deep split where Republicanism ≠ Conservatism, but clearly, we’re at that point in history. The split has occurred.
All I’m saying is “I can’t understand how these things can be separate”. My mind just doesn’t wrap around the concept.
Shirotayama on February 15, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Michael Steele, I wouldn’t mind seeing him take the helm. I don’t think McCain can make through four years and even less likely he’ll be up to another campaign in four. It would be wonderful to see the Party of Lincoln post the first black ppresident. Think about it.
4Bear on February 15, 2008 at 11:28 AM
I agree. But gay would be even better. Do you know any conservative fags?
JiangxiDad on February 15, 2008 at 11:29 AM
It’s what I’ve said all along. John McCain is utterly unelectable because his political treason in the past means vast numbers of the core GOP constituency don’t trust him and never will. If he tacks to the center, nobody will believe it to be a genuine position. Beyond that, McCain just isn’t a likeable individual. They could dress him up in a novelty holiday-themed sweater, put him in front of a fireplace, and surround him with puppies and grandchildren and he’d still have that creepy old man vibe.
My recommendation to McCain is to forget tacking to the middle since we all know that isn’t you and it is insulting that you think so little of our intellect that you keep up the lies about being a Reagan Republican. Instead pick a real conservative to balance out the ticket. Perhaps Michael Steele would be a good pick.
highhopes on February 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Republican of Colorado who served in Congress till 2005 and now is a small business entrepreuer.
Let’s implode all of the ongoing identity politics with a Native American Veep candidate.
profitsbeard on February 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM
I seriously hope this board doesn’t devolve into a moderate republican version of dkos.
Bottom line for me is that the republican party has betrayed its principles. More often then not the politicians are speaking out of both sides of their mouths and defecating on the people. perhaps the best thing for all of America is a shake up of all the parties.
Wyrd on February 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Really? The neocon crew that’s on their way out have called themselves both, and been neither. Go figure.
DMeNTe on February 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM
The
theoryguaranteed plan to lose goes like this:Fixed.
fogw on February 15, 2008 at 11:31 AM
This is why we actually need someone like Bauer to run as a third party candidate – the social conservatives who turn out to vote for him will also vote for conservatives down the ticket. Otherwise they would just stay home and we lose even more house/senate/state leg seats.
BuzzCrutcher on February 15, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Huckabee would be a major asset in the McCain Administration. He can get the Department of Homeland Security shipshape. I don’t think McCain will be listening to Huckabee’s advice when it comes to free trade or whatever.
indythinker on February 15, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Do a little research on the man. He is part of the liberal wing of the Republican party.
If you insist on playing race games, why not a Black CONSERVATIVE like J.C. Watts?
EJDolbow on February 15, 2008 at 11:33 AM
No way will I vote for Huck. He’s another Jimmy Carter! And moderates view Huck as a Hick and wont vote for him. If he picks Graham (tell the bigots to shut up) I will stay home and damn the consequences. The nation is doomed anyway under Obama or Mav-La Raza Boy so why bother?
PattyJ on February 15, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Huckabee would be a major asset in the McCain Administration. He can get the Department of Homeland Security shipshape. I don’t think McCain will be listening to Huckabee’s advice when it comes to free trade or whatever.indythinker on February 15, 2008 at 11:32 AM
How is he going to do that? Mike Huckabee wants open borders and government benefits for illegals far more than John McCain.
EJDolbow on February 15, 2008 at 11:35 AM
McCain/Hillary
jp on February 15, 2008 at 11:35 AM
The liver is a muscle. Just start slowly. Just give it time to adapt. By the second McCain term or the first Huck term you’ll have the Arnold Schwarzenegger of livers.
tommylotto on February 15, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Brilliant! A Republican hated by conservatives on the top of the ticket. A democrat hated by liberals on the bottom of the ticket. We could be looking at the lowest vote total EVAH!
Zetterson on February 15, 2008 at 11:35 AM
if he was truly as bad as Carter, wouldn’t he associate with the Dems instead?
jp on February 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM
How do you explain Mitt and Rudy?
tommylotto on February 15, 2008 at 11:37 AM
You’re joking, right.???
stenwin77 on February 15, 2008 at 11:37 AM
LOL. Put that way, I’m sorry I tried teh funny. Quite right m8, quite right.
DMeNTe on February 15, 2008 at 11:37 AM
You just might be on to something with this one . Think about it. She loses the Dem nomination, she and McCain seem to like each other… Wow. I never would have thought of that but I think it could happen.
stenwin77 on February 15, 2008 at 11:39 AM
It’ll be the Skipper and his ‘lil buddy Gilligan.
BowHuntingTexas on February 15, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Musing here, possibly because the Conservatives have been successfully smeared with the God, Gays, and Guns issues. Not to mention the labels, racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, and so on. No one wants to be identified with unjust labels. Enter “Compassionate Conservatism” where there is a genuine intention to overcome partisanship.
This is the problem, as I see it. The Left’s Utopian ideology is so verrrrry tempting. Accept their premise, and partisanship somehow becomes a bad thing. The new flawed thinking is that to win, we just join, not defeat.
RushBaby on February 15, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Why not McCain/Thompson?
samuelrylander on February 15, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Hmm…
Start getting used to the phrase “Madam President”.
Lawrence on February 15, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Picking a squishy running mate would be the stupidest possible move on McCain’s part.
Picking Huck would turn off moderates and Independents who will be very wary of Pastor Huckabee, not to mention conservatives who aren’t single issue voters.
It seems to me that the only way he can win is to draw a sharp contrast between his views and the Obamanator, not try to be more like him, particularly on the w.o.t.
Who would his advisors be on this sort of strategy?
Mayor John Lindsay of New York was a liberal Republican who did a great job of setting the city on a course of ruin. It took Rudy to turn it around decades later.
Buy Danish on February 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM
I agree with you Limerick. It doesn’t matter McCain picks as his VP. The only difference it will make is how many votes he loses by. It doesn’t matter who wins the Dem nomination. The Dem is going to win this year. Sure these things are fun to talk about but, come on. George Bush is a swear word around the country. McCain will be portrayed as his twin brother because they are virtually the same from issue to issue. Our only hope was to pick someone who could differenciate themselves from President Bush. That might very well have been an impossible task for ANY republican this election, let alone a candidate who actually agrees with him on everything. Its change the people want. Its change the people will get.
Zetterson on February 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM
I dunno about the rest of you but I’m taking this year to find every tax shelter I can, and push up the stock of Browning, Smith&Wesson, and Glock. It might be a long time before you get the opportunity to do either again.
Limerick on February 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM
If you refuse to compromise and refuse to be a good team mate and somehow expect to govern from a radical fringe — what’s the point? Go become the right’s version of Code Pink.
How was that?
tommylotto on February 15, 2008 at 11:43 AM
I guess McCain can really give the conservative base the finger and place Juan Hernandez as VP.
moonsbreath on February 15, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Really? Reagan picked G.H.W. Bush, who was pro-choice in 1980, and is still idolized by the base as a staunch pro-life president. Giuliani made significant inroads with the pro-life section of the base during his campaign by emphasizing the judicial side of the issue, even though he would not commit to appointing judges who would explicitly vow to overturn Roe v. Wade. Like Bush did for Reagan in 1980, Giuliani would end up running on McCain’s policy ideas, which are probably good enough for the vast majority of pro-lifers in the country. As I have said before, if conservatives are comfortable with Giuliani as VP, they should be pimping him now, since McCain would probably ask him to do it if he got the green light. Otherwise, we could end up with Huck, Lindsay Graham, Jodi Rell, or someone like that.
Big S on February 15, 2008 at 11:44 AM
From where I sit, McCain isn’t trying to change conservatives. But McCain isn’t a “ultra” conservative or “true” conservative. McCain is a moderate conservative. Always has been. He has run as such and is getting elected. Most of the voters are moderates after all.
I don’t think it will be too difficult to defeate an inexperienced radical liberal once people know what Obama’s real view of the world is.
bnelson44 on February 15, 2008 at 11:45 AM
McCain/Paul —- we’ll see your Obama cult and raise you a paultard.
jp on February 15, 2008 at 11:45 AM
I 100% agree and remember being mocked when I said Obama would take some Southern states in the general. People tend to forget that the South has a lot of black people, and isn’t just made up of the ignorant hick types that the rest of the country focuses on. No way McCain beats Obama; their base is fired up and ready to storm the White House.
RW Wacko on February 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Sad, I find myself researching other countries to move to. As a decendant of the Mayflower, it’s really tough to see the country that my ancestors risked their lives to come to and to settle, being destroyed. I have failed them. I have also realized that America truly IS the last best hope – but not for long. It will become a socialist state very soon.
stenwin77 on February 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM
As long as we are doing worthless speculation how about Condi. That would sure mix up the race baiting politics. On a serious note Hunter or Bolton would do a lot to calm down the base without losing too many moderates.
duff65 on February 15, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Conservatism isn’t radical right fringe. It is conservatism. It stays roughly the same no matter how/where non-conservatives choose to classify it. It is a political ideology like socialism or communism etc. Conservatism may or may not govern any nations, but it exists independently of that. The Democrats today are socialists or communists. Classifying them as moderate or the center doesn’t change that.
JiangxiDad on February 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Dang, what happened to my link.
John Lindsay.
Buy Danish on February 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Sarcasm, I hope.
Its already started. That has been going on here for over a year when anyone with principles refused to back Giuliani.
samuelrylander on February 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Like Michelle Obama yesterday with Couric……’We defeat terrorism by investing in the education system in other countries’…….Couric didn’t say a word in challenge. Everyone loves the new Jackie O. Policy? Positions? Bah…..all plebs care about is lip gloss and MP3s.
Limerick on February 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Most of the conservatives now threatening to stay home will begrudgingly vote for McCain- if he at least throws them a bone or two.
Picking a VP even more moderate than he is? That’s the wrong kind of “bone” and could seriously alienate the base (who were responsible for GWB getting elected) even more.
National security, winning in Iraq, border security, tax cuts, earmark and spending reform- these are all conservative principles that he could win on with the general population and most conservatives alike.
Hollowpoint on February 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM
This way McCain gets Ann Coulter to campaign for him
jp on February 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Condi or Powell are possible. The only downside I see is that it might be thought that they were only choisen because of their race.
bnelson44 on February 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Bolton would be excellent. But I can’t see it happening.
stenwin77 on February 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM
How could someone possibly be for national security, be fiscally conservative, and not dis-believe in evolution and not believe abortion is murder. They just logically go together… don’t they? I mean if you are for small government and low tax and a strong military, you must be ignorant of science and be intolerant of others… right?
tommylotto on February 15, 2008 at 11:49 AM
The Huckster isn’t squishy on foreign policy, the word is ignorant. Besides rather then a liberal running mate McCain would need a conservative running mate to move to the center. Pick Michael Steele if the opponent is Obama and pick the gal from Alaska, Palin, if the opponent is Clinton.
Just A Grunt on February 15, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Giuliani’s a non-starter because of his abortion position.
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This is why you have McCain for the Repub nominee. I personally do not think that Rudy would be the best VP for the ticket, but this idea that Laura Ingraham has been pimping forever, that a Repub nominee needs to hold her dogmatic position on abortion, has no place in the Republican Party and that has never been the position of the conservative base of the party— it is only the position of certain people. Respect for life does not always correlate with some dogmatic view on abortion.
georgealbert on February 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM
I now have two very conservative friends pledging to vote for Obama, b/c he seems like a nice guy and if there is going to be a trainwreck they want it as a result of a Democratic administration. I don’t agree with it, but that is McCain’s reality. He might as well move to the center, IMO, to help his numbers with women, hispanics, younger voters, and religious folks who lean left on issues of economics, trade, and poverty. So in that regard, yeah Huck makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.
RW Wacko on February 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM
The only, ONLY hope McCain would have is to pick a hard core, impressive military person to run with. Someone plugged into the war in Iraq and extremely knowlegeable about Al Qaida and the overall WOT. He could turn it into an All Star team of war heros to lead the country during a time of war. Put that along side Obama’s pull out at all cost message and you might have a chance. Make the war the issue of the election and you might have a chance. Considering the progress that has been made since Petraeus took over they just might be able to convince the country that they are the people to lead at this time. Its a Hail Mary pass but I think its the Republican’s only chance. Additionally, nothing gets the Republican base on board better then a pro troop team. That would solve some major problems for McCain.
Zetterson on February 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM
“A Republic, if you can keep it.” Even worse stenwin, if we go down, there’s nothing to keep the other representative democracies afloat. There is no new world bud. Get on the first transport to the moon if you can.
JiangxiDad on February 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Someone to the left of McCain as veep? He would have to pick Obama.
Obama will be unavailable as he will be busy burying McCain in a landslide of epic proportions.
Valiant on February 15, 2008 at 11:51 AM
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