Lefty: This is why none of us should have guns and we should all live together in perfect harmony

Righty: Everyone should have a gun and if I had a gun and someone was shooting at me, I’d pull out my handgun just like Jack Bauer or like when I play Halo and fire away!!

Just report it as “Maniac #214″.

The more you publicize these psychotic losers, the more new losers you encourage.

No stories about “why” because everyone already knows why: they were useless screwball scum.

No reporting about their past, because it only glamorizes the entire process and feeds the attention-seeking mechanism of the next screwball scumbag looking for narcissistic notice.

Erase their memory, ignore their psychotic life, mock their imbecility, scorn their infantile, murderous tantrum, and it may decrease the attraction of this media fixation on meaningless mayhem and morbidity.

If all it gains you is mass anonymous dismissal… as a puny, forgettable dipsh*t… it will be less alluring to future f*ck-ups.

I don’t know if there is anything specific about liability in the law, but I’m sure that any lawyer could find something to sue the school about if it happened.

Here’s an article about the law:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18355953/

drflykilla on February 15, 2008 at 1:44 PM

That PMSNBC article is incorrect. If you have a concealed carry permit in Oregon you can carry on the grounds of any public school. Private schools and businesses can set their own policies, but if the school or building is funded in any way with taxpayer money then it has to abide by the Oregon constitution and allow guns on campus by people with concealed carry permits. The only places we can’t carry are in courthouses or secure areas of airports.

Unfortunately, as our population grows, so does the evil.

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

You’re probably right. I’m sure the terrorist freaks in the ME love to take advantage of the desparate and the mentally unstable. They’d probably love to take their game stateside if they haven’t already. That’s just one more reason for the feds to crack down more on illegal immigration and reduce legal immigration from places like Saudi Arabia.

And issues like this are the number one reason I will be voting for John McCain in the primary instead of staying home. The War on Terror is way too important to leave in the hands of lefty liberals.

As long as the feds can keep jihadists from starting up terror cells here, I doubt we’ll see many suicide bombings–although we may see the occasional mad genius a la the unibomber. In any event, it takes just one bullet to take down a potential bomber, so I still think our defense is to have an armed and vigilant citizenry.

drflykilla on February 15, 2008 at 1:56 PM

I’m not opposed to arming the citizenry, but I think this opportunity is just too great for the jihadists to pass up. With proper nurturing and contacts, they can probably identify and supply the occasional lone nutter, or they can use a few of their own who have been Americanized. It adds to the confusion as to motive,…just one more move in the chess game. The perps in the Columbia school shooting had propane tanks strewn all over the place. They just didn’t have effective detonation devices. I’m sure a friendly, Americanized Islamist could help with that under a false flag. I’ll bet there are some pretty active recruitment activities already in place.

andycanuck on February 15, 2008 at 2:22 PM

yes andy.

I am just waiting for one of the MSM to say he was not allowed to work for law enforcement angencies due to mental illnesses even if he was honors etc., and that is when he went off his meds.

Something we might all keep in mind is the pattern these things all demonstrate. The weaponry isn’t probably as much an issue as is the outcome. All these events end in suicide by the perp or suicide by cop. The same thing, mass slaughter ending in suicide, is not something that is most efficiently done with firearms. These things are the Americanized version of suicide bombers, and once the unbalanced crazies catch on that explosives or toxic gases will accomplish the same thing in higher volume, there will be escalation. A guy with a vest can’t be stopped. Happens too fast once he’s inside the killing ground.

a capella,

I kind of doubt that would happen very often. Guns are quicker and easier to get access to. Bombs are time-consuming and dangerous to construct (Palestinian work accident, anyone?.

Plus, these lone gunmen typically are loner types, often with a mental illness. The terrorist suicide bombers we see in the middle east are usually members of a large organization where they have bomb-making factories to construct the bomb, recruiters, handlers, and finally, the guillible s.o.b. that straps on the bomb.

The terrorists have a fairly uniform ideology motivating their attacks (e.g. kill the infidels) while these lone shooters each have their own agenda (often motivated by psychosis).

As long as the feds can keep jihadists from starting up terror cells here, I doubt we’ll see many suicide bombings–although we may see the occasional mad genius a la the unibomber. In any event, it takes just one bullet to take down a potential bomber, so I still think our defense is to have an armed and vigilant citizenry.

Are schools exempt from liability if a gun is used in a classroom??

I don’t know if there is anything specific about liability in the law, but I’m sure that any lawyer could find something to sue the school about if it happened.

Here’s an article about the law:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18355953/

What are you thinking about giving up? Because unlike the rest of the world, I don’t feel like giving in.

upinak on February 15, 2008 at 12:59 PM

Like I said, “what are you willing to give up to feel secure?”

Claimsratt on February 15, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Tuition is already out and in the pin pricks of space.

Do you really think this will not happen?

You have people who are mentally ill, taking meds for whatever reason in school, and there is a claus that says the Doc’s and Nurses are not allowed to speak about it due to confidentiality.

Have you noticed lately, it is the people who are on the drugs for mental illness, who happen to be doing these things?

So what now? Do we 1. start breaching the confidential claus to keep all manners of ones self private? 2. Make the Parents and Student take large insurance policies out for college “rampages”, due to someone else emotional and mental issues?
And since there are those who just do not do well in society, and have emotional crisis’s constantly, what do we do about these people? These people who can’t cope… and I know a lot of them.

To many variables. But make no arguement about tuition… it is going to go up whether or not something like this happens. Will you be able to afford it and actually keep up with it and the payments is the other thing.

God help the Parents of the Students who have died.

drflykilla on February 15, 2008 at 9:56 AM

Are school exempt from liability if a gun is used in a classroom??

VICE-PRESIDENT: Steve Mazmierczak (sic). Steve served as an undergrad teaching aid for Sociology 388 (corrections) and 488 (juvenile delinquency) in spring, 2004. He has strong interests in justice reform and, as an older sociology/criminal justice major, he brings experience and ideas to the group.

My name is Steve Kazmierczak, and I’m a 3rd year student here at NIU. During my sophomore year I served as an aid for the SOCI170 web-board and last semester, I was fortunate to have the opportunity to be a team leader for SOCI488-Juvenile Delinquency. Since attending NIU, I’ve worked very hard as a student, and I know that I would be able to forth the same effort as an officer of the ACA. I feel that I’m committed to social justice, and if elected as treasurer I promise to serve the NIU chapter of the ACA to the best of my ability.

There’s also this academic citation for him:

Thomas, Jim, Margaret Leaf, Steve Kazmierczak, and Josh Stone. 2006. “Self-Injury in Correctional Settings: ‘Pathology’ of Prisons or of Prisoners?” Criminology and Public Policy 5(1):193-202.

Meet John Lindsay, the anti-conservative.

Scanning the blog … I haven’t seen anything.

If you want to be an idiot please do not try to come around and lower the collective IQ of this blog.

I agree. I don’t claim to be one of the bright ones myself, but Kralizec could probably learn something from Paul Miller.

“Never pass up an opportunity to keep your mouth shut.”

Or possibly Mark Twain.

“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”