are you equating affirmative action with the centuries of slavery, lynchings and jim crow laws that MLK spoke out against?

No. I’m equating affirmative action with a small bowl of lukewarm porridge, a slightly turned haddock, and a small guatemalan child.

My above response is a coherent as your query.

MLK was for affirmative action anyway

The affirmative action the MLK alluded to was most definitely not racially polarised standards. He was literally speaking of the positive (affirmative) steps (action) needed to correct the injustice embedded in racist law.

The term “affirmative action”, along with others, have been usurped & hijacked by the ‘left’. They now stand as codes for tenets of fascistic socialism.

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It is just as wrong to institutionalise racist policy today as it was then – and the whites that object have every right to be as vocal about it as ever MLK was.

LimeyGeek on February 13, 2008 at 1:37 PM

are you equating affirmative action with the centuries of slavery, lynchings and jim crow laws that MLK spoke out against? MLK was for affirmative action anyway.

The Race Card on February 13, 2008 at 2:11 PM

I don’t have any particular insights on this one I haven’t already posted (e.g. Julian bond is a proud Clintonista, then a proud race baiter long before he’s a proud American.)

I did however, reply to your questions on education in the “Johhny never learned to read.” topic that has since fallen below the veil. I can repost them here if you like.

… They may not have wanted their daughter to marry one, but they didn’t view them as property.

From generation-to-generation, the torch was passed – within both the black & white population – that beckoned the end of slavery. A movement initiated by whites, lest ye forget.

Nowadays, we have blacks complaining about essentially non-existent racism, and expecting to capitalise on emotional guilt associated with the suffering of people other than themselves. They are trying to use the blood, sweat & tears of long-gone ancestors as currency in today’s political marketplace.

It is just as wrong to institutionalise racist policy today as it was then – and the whites that object have every right to be as vocal about it as ever MLK was.

LimeyGeek on February 13, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Excellent. Well played.

African-Americans suffer institutional, religious, and social marginalization and prejudice for 400+ years

Broadly speaking, I understand what you’re getting at.

The real flaw in your line of reasoning is that you are talking about blacks and whites as if they each consist of the same people over time. 400+ years ago, a population of blacks were viewed as property by a population of whites. Over the decades, each population changed, in both raw numbers and individual members (slave purchases and births & deaths), but the overall social arrangement remained the same – blacks are property.

As the centuries wore on, amidst the constant change within these distinct populations, those social arrangements (and the attitudes towards them) started to change. Whites thought differently about blacks. They may not have wanted their daughter to marry one, but they didn’t view them as property.

From generation-to-generation, the torch was passed – within both the black & white population – that beckoned the end of slavery. A movement initiated by whites, lest ye forget.

Nowadays, we have blacks complaining about essentially non-existent racism, and expecting to capitalise on emotional guilt associated with the suffering of people other than themselves. They are trying to use the blood, sweat & tears of long-gone ancestors as currency in today’s political marketplace.

It is just as wrong to institutionalise racist policy today as it was then – and the whites that object have every right to be as vocal about it as ever MLK was.

It all needs to stop. No more quotas, no more affirmative action, no more handouts, no more speech codes, no more excuses.

volsense on February 13, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Where do you think Julian Bond first experienced this blinding hatred to which you refer? Do you think he arrived at such a sad state independently? Or do you realize that his warped views were cultivated by a warped nation?

I think that you and many others who sound like you would be angrier and more resentful than many of the race-baiters you so despise if you had a similar experience growing up.

You have never experienced racism in the way that many older African-Americans have. But based on your currently expressed frustration, it is apparent to me that if you endured any real racism, you would crack.

I think you’re a whiner and couldn’t handle the heat of real racism. I think Bond, Jackson, et al are dinosaurs for sure. But I don’t think you would have made it through their era in their shoes.

Think of it like this. You are afraid of terrorism, right? Before 9/11 most Americans had not been touched personally by terrorism. Whereas, many African-Americans had. My mom, dad, grandparents, and others all experienced deadly racist terrorism in their lives several times over…before September 11, 2001.

How long would be too long to be angry over 9/11? How long would be too long to hate those who attacked us? The same can and should be asked of those blacks who suffered terrorism at the hands of their own nation’s citizens.

It’s so easy to forget and let go on behalf of others, isn’t it?

He should get over it, but he can’t. I blame him for not seeing America for what it has become — a truly free nation.

I also blame America. Here’s a tip. Don’t enslave, commodify and murder people for 400 years if you can’t handle them complaining for the next 50.
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right2bright on February 13, 2008 at 9:32 AM

Hillary’s Village came out in 95 or 96 I think. Bond has been NAACP chairman for less than a decade. In what capacity was he speaking when you saw him?

And what specifically did he say about “white boys?”

For decades, the race-baiters have screamed about not enough black head coaches, not enough black quarterbacks, not enough black corporate execs, not enough blacks in Congress, etc., etc. It was, we were told, all due to racism. Now, for the first time in history, a black man has a shot at becoming president – and who is standing in his way? The race-baiters. Just as with the feminists, their real agenda is exposed. It’s not about civil rights, it’s about advancing the agenda of world socialism.

whitetop on February 13, 2008 at 10:08 AM

You sound as if you believe that decades ago, such claims would have been unfounded. Get real dude. Most contemporary Republicans are pretty new to the inclusive mindset.

Why do so many people lie or misrepresent our history of racism? We all know the facts and dates. No need to go over basic American history. What I am amazed at is that so many Republicans act as if racism was never a factor.

I posit this notion. Many whites are tired of hearing about racism and its role in the lives of African-Americans. Some feel as if its impact is overstated. Others simply feel the time has come to put the past behind us. That’s all fine and dandy.

What I am wondering is when are Republicans going to stop whining? White men have experienced institutional racism. The degree to which it typically impacts whites is nowhere near what a typical African-American experiences. That is not to say that no whites have been horribly wronged. Rather, the average experience of prejudice is worse for blacks than it is for whites. Still, for the past 20 or so years, many whites have been victims of institutional racism in the form of consent decrees, quotas, hiring freezes, etc.

One would think from the incessant din of right-leaning voices always complaining about race-baiters that this had been going on for centuries.

African-Americans suffer institutional, religious, and social marginalization and prejudice for 400+ years. And now, whites are tired of hearing about it. But white guys endure substantially less prejudice for less than 2 decades and they seem to complain as much as the left over whining blacks?

PUH-LEASE!

Based on the amount of whining I hear from Republicans, conservatives and others about race-baiting, double standards, reverse racism, etc you would think that whites had been enslaved, had their families obliterated and been the butt of their own nation’s racial hatred.

When will you get tired of hearing yourself complain? Who has more room or reason to still be pissed? Honestly.

Is Julian Bond that cynical a racist?

Card carrying

Is he that cynical? Yes. I’m sure the Clintons promised him something tasty for that support.

LimeyGeek on February 13, 2008 at 10:56 AM

You got a point there. Not sure if this is a tragedy or comedy at this point but it certainly isn’t the usual fare.

One thing is as certain as any of this can be….. We won’t be seeing Clinton/Obama bumper stickers this fall. Obama has been far too successful to take the VP slot and Clinton is too arrogant (and old) to run as anything other than President. That being said, if I were Obama, I’d be personally doing all the maintenance on the campaign aircraft.

Hollowpoint on February 13, 2008 at 10:46 AM

As I mentioned elsewhere, the twists and turns of this plot are the sort of thing that Shakespeare would mine for gold.

Such a sleazy win by Clinton in the primaries general election would be a butt-kicking of epic proportions not seen since Mike Tyson was in his prime.

Surber says ‘it’s over’ – for Billary. Others say the clinton machine will exhume skeletons & call in old markers….

If an African American sweeps to victory and becomes president, then Bond, Sharpton, Jackson, et al, lose a tremendous amount of victim status, and therefore power.

Actually, I’m extremely concerned that the opposite will be true.

With Obama as their puppet, the race whores will wield the presidency like the Thor’s Hammer.

But think about it. Suppose the NAACP persuades the DNC to seat those delegates, thereby handing the nomination to…Hillary. Could Bond be doing this to keep Barack Obama from blasting all the old race baiters and mau mauers into political oblivion by doing something that they never could, and without their help? Is Julian Bond that cynical?

put on the tin foil hat. I was lucky enough to see Bond speak last year, at the end of the speech someone asked him who he was supporting for president. He said he couldn’t answer because the NAACP was non-partisan but mentioned with a smile that his wife was giving “all of my money to Barack Obama”. Yep but I’m sure that’s just a diversion from his secret plot to undermine Obama’s campaign in order to safeguard his “victim-status”.

Or not.

Machiavelli, call your answering service.

1-888-Race-Bait.

He needs to exit stage left.