Morons: Republicans cross over in Virginia to vote for … Obama; Update: McCain advisor to quit if Obama is the nominee?
posted at 11:40 am on February 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
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They made up seven percent of the vote and broke 72-23 his way. Only two possible explanations: Either they really dig the guy and are planning to cross over again for him in November or they’re hot to drive a stake through Hillary’s heart and give us that match up with the young, likeable, dynamic media darling brimming with campaign cash that we’ve all been dreaming of. Either way, disastrous. Keep dancing on the train tracks, kids:
22% of those voting in Virginia’s Democratic primary said they were independents. Of this group, Obama defeated Clinton 69-30 — a better margin than he did among self-identified Democrats. And seven percent of the Democratic electorate yesterday said they were Republicans. Among these cross-over voters, Obama won 72-23.
Here’s a sample explanation from one of the fancy thinkers who made up that 50-point margin, pointing ominously to the effect of conservative talk radio on discouraging turnout for McCain (and Huck). Geraghty clings to the hope of an identity politics meltdown on the left but Obama gobbled up some of her firewall demographics last night (or did he?) so there’s no reason to think he can’t momentum his way into a cut of Latinos in Texas. He did it in Maryland and Virginia, after all. You don’t need any complicated calculus to see the basic truth in this, either: As he tears through February building his delegate advantage, he puts her in the position of not only having to win the rest of the way but to somehow crush him to regain the lead among pledged delegates and take away his argument that the superdelegates should respect the will of the primary voters.
There are 573 delegates up for grabs between March 4 and April 22. For Clinton to even things up, she needs to get 345 of those 573 delegates, or 60 percent – the sort of margin she won in her home state of New York.
Obama’s dramatic victories Tuesday also put him ahead in the count of pledged delegates even if Florida, whose delegates have not been recognized by the Democratic National Committee, was permitted to seat a delegation.
Exit question: What now for our special, special lady? Is it time to start the Hillary ‘08 Death Pool? Or should we do something more productive and take a SECOND LOOK AT McCAIN!?
Update: I remember reading about this last summer but ignoring it, mainly because we were sealing the tomb of Maverick’s campaign at the time.
We’ve found the head moron:
Q: Are you committed to working for and supporting McCain no matter who the Democratic nominee is?
McKinnon: If the Democratic nominee is Barack Obama, I will not work in the general election. I will, however, still support and vote for John McCain. I just don’t want to work against an Obama candidacy. I think a McCain vs. Obama race would be a great choice for the country…
Q: What is it about Obama that attracts you?
McKinnon: I don’t think Barack Obama needs the mirror of politics to reflect who (he) is. I think he has deep character and good judgment. I also think he’s wrong on some fundamental issues. But, I believe he is honest and independent and if he were elected, I think it would send a great message to the country and the world. (McKinnon said Obama is “wrong on Iraq and pulling out troops too early.”)
Update (Bryan): That’s ok. McCain has another adviser who’ll be happy to step up.
Update: No such thing as momentum, huh?
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Mav will crush the messiah.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 13, 2008 at 11:43 AM
I just checked the latest polls have Hillary up in Texas and Ohio so that is good. She can argue that she won most of the biggest states (CA, NY, FL, NJ,TX, OH) while Obama wins the smaller ones.
Oddly is the south that is pushing obama into the nomination. But will that region which is bright red go for him ? Hillary can argue that Obama cant win BLUE states
William Amos on February 13, 2008 at 11:46 AM
I really don’t believe Obama is the slayer to McCain’s dragon. Once the charm wears off and people start to get tired of his cheesy rhetoric, things will change.
amkun on February 13, 2008 at 11:47 AM
I mean.. ★☆CHANGE☆★
amkun on February 13, 2008 at 11:48 AM
It’s the Jack M./AoSHQ effect trouncing the HotAir/Townhall effect!
Jack M.: “GOP should vote for Obama”- 72%
Allah/MKH: “GOP should vote for Clinton”- 23%
On behalf of “morons” everywhere….you’re welcome!
Jack M. on February 13, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Obama is just riding the wave of euphoria right now. It does come back down. Its hip and cool right now to be for him.
William Amos on February 13, 2008 at 11:49 AM
It is time for Hillary to call in the BIMBOS! Only a Bimbo Erruption can save us now. Obambimbos.
bloggless on February 13, 2008 at 11:50 AM
“You hate me. You really really hate me.”
stenwin77 on February 13, 2008 at 11:51 AM
I don’t think Obama will survive the daylight of the General E. People don’t yet appreciate how radical a lefty he is.
ronsfi on February 13, 2008 at 11:51 AM
BHO wins the dem nomination and the general election. We’re doomed. Prepare for the national orgams of self-congratulations starting with His Inauguration and climazing with His State of the Union Address. Our long nightmare begins.
Two upsides:
1) The entertainment value of watching Him crash and burn during the first two years. With Pelosi and Reid running Congress there won’t be any brakes on the runaway BHO train.
2) Big Republican victory in 2010. Retake the House and Senate? Change and Hope, my friends.
Oh, yeah. Third upside: the death of the Clinton dynasty.
Vote Sauron 08 on February 13, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Not going to happen. Why do you think all of the Rep. senators and Congressmen are bailing out? They know what’s going to happen.
stenwin77 on February 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Allah I don’t know why you are surprised about this. Most supposed “republicans” I know are in fact independant flippers.
That also means I don’t trust them with my dog, no matter how nice they are. But flippers non the less.
upinak on February 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM
I think Hillary’s best bet is to go all in on Ohio. She’s ahead there now, it’s a big state that’s fairly demographically representative of the country, and a win by a comfortable margin there makes a compelling argument to superdelegates who want to win in November. Ohio is going to be one of the major battlegrounds this fall, and superdelegates would have to think twice before tossing their support to someone who can’t win that state within their own party.
Big S on February 13, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Not this one. I wouldn’t touch Barry with a ten meter cattle prod. A fifty meter one for shrillary.
rightside on February 13, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Bad Idea = Supporting a radical leftist jr.congressman.
Good Idea = Not going with bad idea.
HotAirExpert on February 13, 2008 at 11:56 AM
As Rush would say, too smart by half. And the fact that this idiot thinks they are so clever that they emailed Lopez at NRO to brag about it is a stunner.
Buy Danish on February 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM
The Messiah last night called them Obama-cans.
Maybe it’s the reverse Kos Kid effect, since the left crossed over in hordes to vote for the Maverick in some states.
JammieWearingFool on February 13, 2008 at 11:58 AM
What? Just cause there ain’t any conservatives on the Texas ballot you expect me to go vote for Hillary??
Jose Chupacabra on February 13, 2008 at 11:59 AM
I had a nightmare last night.
What, what… what if SHE loses and then RUNS AGAIN in the future???
Will I live long enough to see the Clintons out of politics forever?
EJDolbow on February 13, 2008 at 12:00 PM
It would be so much easier to run against Hillary…
All you people talking about sitting out better RETHINK that position if you care AT ALL about the Supreme Court you want to leave to your children and grandchildren. The Mav might not pick good judges, but I GUARANTEE you a dem will strong>absolutely pick judges that will destroy the integrity of the court.
JustTruth101 on February 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM
How could that scenario be construed as anything but disaster? Who is going to pay for those 2 years? We are! What legislation will pass that we won’t be able to overturn? How much welfare spending will it entail? Newsflash..people like getting free things, hence the huge turnouts on the left..To sit back and think that there will be this sudden surge in Republicans on the tickets is just ignorant..if they aren’t being talked about now, they aren’t going to be talked about in 2 years..
Pam on February 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM
I don’t buy into the premise that the only hope for Republicans this year is Hillary Clinton winning the Dem nomination. I don’t believe there is any hope for Republicans this time around – no matter what. If Clinton wins the nomination she wins the Presidency. If Obama wins the nomination he wins the Presidencey. Its really that simple. I say kill the Clinton Crime Family for good now, get them out of the way. Don’t concern ourselves with the Presidency this time around. Just worry about the Congress. THAT is our only hope.
Zetterson on February 13, 2008 at 12:06 PM
And I was one of them, feel really good about it, and will do it again if McCain is the only choice for Republicans come November.
Tough love (ditch the Republicans until they can get a clue as to what it is they believe in) versus slow death (the old guard loser elites who are trying to be “moderate“… the choice is clear.
TOPV on February 13, 2008 at 12:07 PM
McCain’s top guy has no deep seated convictions??
Gosh, whoda thunk it?
EJDolbow on February 13, 2008 at 12:08 PM
i’m not sure about national level, but on the State level hillary on the ticket is a boon for the state level GOP, atleast in the south where she is hated
jp on February 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Why are you calling my Republican family morons? They, like me will not vote for McCain or Hillary (same thing) ever.
They know never to underestimate the Clinton machine and that she is not dead until her feet are sticking out from under the house.
They know McCain has the nomination sewn up due to early influence by independent liberals who want to see the end of the Republican party. Crossing over is fair game.
‘Obama ‘08!
Valiant on February 13, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Constitutional judges are not activists so the conservative agenda is forever stalled if you are waiting for action from them.
It has become apparent that the only way to reign in SCOTUS is by congressional limitation of their power. This is entirely constitutional. What did your Republican party do between 1994 and 2006 when it controlled Congress?
Zero-zip-nada.
McCain scares me far more than Obama, so if I am to vote on fear which seems to be the GOP strategy, then…
Valiant on February 13, 2008 at 12:17 PM
I really don’t believe Obama is the slayer to McCain’s dragon. Once the charm wears off and people start to get tired of his cheesy rhetoric, things will change.
When’s that gonna happen? Oh, maybe six months after Obama is inaugurated. Ooops, too late.
This Virginia voter voted for Hillary. Didn’t do any good, but I tried. I almost wonder if nobody else voted for Hillary but crossover Republicans.
Lehuster on February 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM
I don’t believe there is any hope for Republicans this time around – no matter what. If Clinton wins the nomination she wins the Presidency. If Obama wins the nomination he wins the Presidencey.
Yes, and that is exactly why you should want Hillary to win! She can be stopped – the Clintons have been stopped before. Obama will be unstoppable. Nobody will dare to oppose him, or they’ll get beaten with the raaaaaacism stick until they roll over and submit.
Lehuster on February 13, 2008 at 12:21 PM
I still think Hillary supporters are more likely to goto McCain than Obama supporters. If you take out Hillary it helps McCain more than if you take out Obama. I’m not totally discounting the momentum argument, it does concern me. But it’s a long time until November and Obamas extremism is starting to emerge. I think he’ll alienate more of the centrists who would support Hillary but will be more comfortable with McCain than his radical views.
pecan pie on February 13, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Which would I prefer?:
To be able to look the Obamaniacs in the eye in four yrs and say, “see, we told you so,” while pulling the lever for
Romney.
OR
To be able to look the McCainiacs in the eye in four yrs and
say, “see, we told you so,” while wondering why I feel the need to justify voting for the 76 yr old McCain… AGAIN.
Gartrip on February 13, 2008 at 12:22 PM
I still think Hillary supporters are more likely to goto McCain than Obama supporters.
No way! There is no difference in policy between Obama and Hillary, so Hillary supporters can push the button for Obama and be perfectly happy.
Lehuster on February 13, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Man I love the thinking of some in the Republican party “Lets throw this election because we will be stronger later on !”
I swear its like watching the bottom team in the NFL deliberately lose so it can get the highest draft pick next year. And again how many years does it take to get back to the superbowl ?
William Amos on February 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Printing this in your post clearly shows that you suffer deeply from MDS and that you are a suicide bomber conservative. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY RELATED TO THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN, DON’T YOU KNOW THAT!!!!!!!
What, are you one of those people that listens to those hate spewers of talk radio???
Now STFU, get in line, and vote for McCain, a$$wipe.
Sincerely,
McCain Supporters
thirteen28 on February 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM
I agree with the GOP voters in VA who crossed over and voted for Obama, and urge TX GOP voters to do likewise. Right now, Obama is making inroads into Clinton’s Hispanic base, removing the potential of inevitability for Clinton in that state. Republicans there should do nail it for Obama there, and ensure that Clinton is locked out. This theory of Clinton being easier to beat makes an unfounded assumption that Conservatives will flock to McCain in droves. Huck’s victories over the weekend in Red states shows that Conservatives will do no such thing – after all, Huck is as Liberal as McCain on non-Christian issues.
infidelpride on February 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Bottom line: Conservatives owe McCain such favors just like he so tirelessly supported every Conservative move in the Senate.
Go Obama!
infidelpride on February 13, 2008 at 12:25 PM
O.K. so what’s the problem with a few Republicans voting for Obama?
For the last three weeks, I’ve been hearing about how voting for McCain is the equivalent (or worse) of voting for a Democrat anyway, so what’s the big deal?
C’mon guys, you’re getting off message. Didn’t you get the memo? We’re supposed to hand the country to the socialists on a silver platter to teach our party a lesson. To hell with the plebes who will end up paying for it.
CurtZHP on February 13, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Many, possibly, but not all of them. Hillary’s support also comes from older more moderate Democrats who might identify with McCain. None of Obama’s young, extremist libs are going to go for McCain.
pecan pie on February 13, 2008 at 12:26 PM
I’m with you Valiant. What Allah and others don’t realize is that if we just settle for the same old liberal Republican crap this year, come next election season there will be a giant “moron” population explosion. The “moron” population grows everytime Conservatives are forced to settle for crap candidates. Perhaps someday we’ll have enough “morons” to create an entirely new “moron” party. The Dems and the Republicans will do what they have been trying to do for years and merge into one giant, incompetent Democan party. It will be the Democans vs the Morons. The Morons will win every time.
Zetterson on February 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM
I think McCain is catching on
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080213/ap_on_el_pr/mccain
As he did Tuesday night, McCain focused much of his criticism on Obama, Tuesday’s winner on the Democratic side.
“I respect him and the campaign that he has run, but there’s going to come a time when we have to get into specifics,” McCain told reporters Wednesday on Capitol Hill. “I’ve not observed every speech he’s given, obviously, but they are singularly lacking in specifics.”
William Amos on February 13, 2008 at 12:30 PM
This logic is flawed to its core. Any one of you “conservatives” who honestly believes this is a fool and will rue the day that you entered into this disastrous line of thinking.
Because this will not happen. The American public will NOT get tired of his empty rhetoric and platitudes. You don’t know how lucky you REALLY are that Hillary is, for now, still in this, because the press’ loyalties are divided – they still have old-school, nostalgic love for the Clintons, despite the fact that outlets like AP are growing increasingly negative about her.
Once it’s down to just Obama, though, you will see a full-court press by the mainstream media designed with only ONE goal, and that is to elect him. And the results for our nation will be disastrous. You’re all out of your minds with your old hatred of the Clintons, and are intentionally ignoring the fact that for all of her faults, Hillary did learn one lesson from Bill, and that was the value of at least making the effort to be a centrist on some of the issues (for example, on the war in Iraq). Obama has no such intentions. He’s more liberal than she is, and despite all of this BS about him being a “unifier”, he’s shown NOTHING but a willingness to put forth the sort of liberal agenda that is far beyond what your nightmares of a McCain presidency would entail.
You’ve entered into a period of madness that could very easily spell doom for the conservative movement that all of your recent protests are supposedly designed to preserve.
Vyce on February 13, 2008 at 12:32 PM
There’s still plenty of time to assess the landscape once the nominations are sealed. If Obama is really such an inevitability, a more profitable use of time might be to plan how to resist and nullify the poisonous effects of his presidency.
LimeyGeek on February 13, 2008 at 12:32 PM
If your team sucks so badly you have to replace it, you really don’t have a choice.
If McCain is the quarterback, he will throw the game every time by handing off the ball to the other team or throwing interceptions on purpose.
Better to take the field with a unified defense so every fan does not forever leave the stands. At least there will be a fight for conservative principles. Many of us are close to swearing off the GOP. McCain may be the final straw.
Valiant on February 13, 2008 at 12:33 PM
here’s some tough love for Obama-cans who think all that free healthcare and College sounds nice.
inheritance from Mom % Dad? slash!
future paychecks? rip!
sell the house? bang!
Obama has some specifics to his change. He wants to nearly double the capital gains tax (from 15% to 28%), revive the death tax at 55%, tax dividends at the higher marginal tax income rate, and increase the highest income tax rate to 39.5%.
phronesis on February 13, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Right now Obama has the dem primary voters (10% of the electorate) and the MSM hypnotized. I think a lot of eyes are going to get opened up when McCain hammers away at the above numbers. Right now it’s cool and hip to support Obama but “change” is going to be very expensive.
windansea on February 13, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Seems to be working out just fine for the Pitt Penguins. Being the worst team in the NHL got them Crosby, Malkin, Whitney, Staal, Fleury, etc. Now they have a shot at the cup. They will be the favorite to win the cup on a few years.
Zetterson on February 13, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Agreed. I think this is what will transpire as well.
Right now, the bulk of Repubs & Conservatives are focused on their party’s horse race. Well, step back, look and listen to what others are saying and doing. It may be disconcerting for some to do so, but reality has a way of doing that now and then.
eanax on February 13, 2008 at 12:36 PM
BTW the team did throw off another member in the last election
William Amos on February 13, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Oh yes. It’s a disaster and it’s coming. Might as well milk it for a few laughs. Like I said, it will be a long national nightmare. Buy gold.
No, it’s based on past experience. Clinton won and had a democratic congress during 1993-94. He was so incompetent that there was in fact a “sudden surge in Republicans” and the GOP won the House with a solid majority of seats. They won the Senate with a smaller majority, if memory serves. This was a direct result of a democrat in the White House combined with a dem controlled Congress. And Clinton was far more experienced than BHO.
Obama will win. Cheered on by his worshipping, but essentially apolitical, fans and by the fringe Left, he will over-reach and fail miserably. Most of his fans will drop away from politics altogether due to his gross mismanagement. (Does anyone really see Scarlett Johansson and the throngs of “youth” being involved after BHO starts making tough choices and big tasty mistakes? When his Holiness cannot in fact deliver Change, Hope and Unity?) The independents will gasp at their increased taxes, and BHO’s pro-gay, pro-illegal, pro-nanny state policies. Many other independents and Republicans (who either didn’t vote in 08 or who voted for BHO because they were brainwashed) will flock to the GOP because of BHO’s appeasement to Iran, Russia and the growing threat of jihad.
It’s two years in the wilderness for the GOP. Time to regroup and prepare.
Vote Sauron 08 on February 13, 2008 at 12:41 PM
I agree with Victor Davis Hanson; Obama is the weaker candidate. If he wins the nomination, the media will try to erect a force field around him, but it will be breached.
He can’t spend the next nine months parroting “Time for change” and “audacity of hope” and “reach across the aisle”.
People will begin to laugh at him.
On the rare occasions when he does talk substance, he comes across as a standard socialist surrender merchant.
And watch out for his wife. Michelle Obama will make Teresa Heinz Kerry look like Laura Bush.
infidel65 on February 13, 2008 at 12:44 PM
And the problem that McCain is going to run into is the contrast between him and Obama. Obama is young, tall, articulate and engaging with a message people apparently are longing to hear. McCain is old, short, and a so-so speaker who represents all of the Washington trappings that people are tired of.
The demographic shift is upon us, folks. The under-current for something different is moving swiftly across the land. It will be foolish to believe that McCain has the presidency locked up. Keep believing that at and you’ll be in for a rude awakening.
eanax on February 13, 2008 at 12:45 PM
You will continue to lose that as well.
Allow your stubbornness to continue to dig a hole you may very well not be able to crawl out of.
Vyce on February 13, 2008 at 12:48 PM
The worst conceivable advice, based on terrible assumptions. At issue in the long term isn’t the conservative base, but independent voters. Obama can attract them in the general election to a far greater extent than Hillary, which leads to greater competition with moderate McCain for the same votes.
Worse yet, in the short term every vote cast for Obama only lessens the likelihood of the Democrats going into convention with a deadlock, which is what Republicans should want because it will result in turmoil and animosity within the Democrat party.
If Texans or any other Republicans are entertaining the notion of crossing party lines in the primaries, either vote for Hillary or please, just stay home. If you’re under the impression you’re somehow “spoiling” the Dems by bolstering Obama, you aren’t thinking clearly.
Blacklake on February 13, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Let’s play with a scenario for a moment.
POTUS proposes this:
Conservative Republican congressmen mount a resistance. Unfortunately they are the minority party in congress, so they have to get votes from conservative and moderate democrats.
Will they be able to attract moderate democrats’ opposition to a Dem POTUS or a GOP POTUS more easily? Think about the pressure the dem caucus will exert on its members. Is the dem leadership going to permit their folks to join the GOP opposition if there is a dem POTUS?
Oh, and McCain ain’t gonna propose a “patriot company act” anyway, but Obama is a cosponsor on the one that is already there.
funky chicken on February 13, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Morons is correct. Another gift of talk radio…the constant demonization of Hillary (and McCain) could very will give us President Obama.
Great work, guys.
The MSM isn’t gonna let casual voters see the black power socialist under the veneer.
funky chicken on February 13, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Yup.
ihasurnominashun on February 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM
One word: Chelsea
Montana on February 13, 2008 at 12:56 PM
And once again, the self-annointed sophists of the Right continue to push voters further away from considering their chosen Messiah.
You stay classy kids!
Montana on February 13, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Lots of different points to consider. From where I see it, the Democrat candidate is going to win the general, given the turnout in the primaries. McCain inspires almost no one, whereas Hillary as first woman president and Obama as first black president will inspire the left, although perhaps different overlapping segments of the left.
For me the question is, would I prefer the known evil and horror of another Clinton presidency, or the unknown but socialist-leaning presidency of Obama? I think Obama would be easier to stop legislatively (not all would agree).
I just can’t bring myself to hope that Hillary wins the nomination because she’d be ‘easier to beat’–if she’s the candidate, she has a chance to win the presidency, and that makes me ill just to think about. So, reluctantly, GO OBAMA! You’re not a Clinton, and that’s the best I can say about you.
EyeSurgeon on February 13, 2008 at 1:00 PM
I still love the logic that electing Barak or Hillary helps Republicans. And we wonder why McCain is our nominee ?
William Amos on February 13, 2008 at 1:01 PM
So Hillary supporters are racist? Not saying it is true but you just know that would be the charge from Camp Obama.
highhopes on February 13, 2008 at 1:02 PM
The word “morons” keeps getting thrown around. I’d say something else about the primary process that gave us our nominee but we are all supposed to be brain-dead McCain zombies in the name of party unity.
highhopes on February 13, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Michelle plays hockey on an NHL team? Damn, two blogs, a weekly syndicated column, 3 books (or is it 4) and plays in the NHL to boot? That girl does it all!
thirteen28 on February 13, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Conservatives couldn’t decide on a nominee to back in the GOP until it was too late.
It is no shock now with the inevitability of a Dem president that we can’t agree on which is the lesser of two evils.
Those of you (AP included) who are selecting the Dem with the worst chances against McCain, he is going to lose big.
Wake Up!
Valiant on February 13, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Please, read that quote again.
Seriously, can this McCain advisor point to ONE evidence, ONE proof, ONE accomplishment, ONE decision, ONE anything that proves that Barack Hussein has “deep character and good judgment,” that “he is honest and independent” ??
Can anyone please slap these Hussein-maniacs on the face?
Maybe they’ll wake up to reality and stop being brainwashed.
You know, Hussein proved one thing after all:
No matter what degree of punditry you have, no matter how “intelligent,” “independent” or “maverick” you might think you are, no matter what level of education you have, you are still an idiot who can easily be fooled by smooth TALK.
Muhammad did it. Hussein is doing it.
Indy Conservative on February 13, 2008 at 1:09 PM
maybe i’m misunderstanding this, but i think the exact opposite is true. all he is is a mirror. he is nothing but platitudes that anyone who listens interprets into something they want to hear. that is, unless his worshipers would actually start paying attention.
locke on February 13, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Really? Morons? Some of us want McCain to lose, and lose bad. He deserves nothing less than complete, utter electoral annihilation.
We weren’t kidding when we said we wouldn’t vote for him. My primary’s not ’til March 4 (Ohio), but I definitely will not be voting for McCain, either in the primary or in the general.
Will. Not. Happen.
HYTEAndy on February 13, 2008 at 1:10 PM
So let me ask this stout conservatives you dont think Obama will be too bad as president so we can take him out in 4 years ?
We know Barak will let up on Al Qaeda. You want to give Al Qaeda 4 years of peace to find WMDs and start recruiting again ? You want to give them all of Iraq to recruit and train new terrorists ? you want to surrender Afganistan and hope that Karzai makes it and doesnt get thrown out and replaced by the Taliban ?
A 4 year window of oportunity for Al qaeda is a grave mistake to make.
William Amos on February 13, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Funny how the tent isn’t so big anymore. The soi disant ‘experts’/pundits/party-faithful simply cannot overcome their myopia and self-delusion sufficiently to realise how farcical they seem as they flail around with inane verbal abuse.
I’m independent, not a herd creature. Somebody wants my vote, they better damned well earn it.
None of the current candidates has done that so far.
LimeyGeek on February 13, 2008 at 1:12 PM
“Take him out”? (points finger to head)
LimeyGeek on February 13, 2008 at 1:13 PM
For me, amnesty is the number one issue this election cycle. We are going to have a pro-amnesty president no matter what. If the GOP base stays home on 11/4 we will also end up with an even more pro-amnesty US congress, less conservative state legislators and governors prepared to emulate Oklahoma’s tough stance on illegal aliens.
We have a pro-amnesty president now. He didn’t sign the McCain-Kennedy shamnesty bill for one simple reason: it never got to his desk.
infidel65 on February 13, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Digging now. I’ll let you know what I find down here. In the meantime keep holding your nose and we’ll see who’s right.
All I’m saying is that we have a quarterback who throws intercecptions every time he touches the ball. Our only hope is to put all of our best players on defense. Its not possible for us to win the game but we can at least tie. Voting for congressional seats is rational and is the only way we have a chance to stop the Dems. Its the only way. The sooner you stubborn capitulators realize that the better.
Zetterson on February 13, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Haha. That would be Evgeni, not Michelle. Though I have no doubt Michelle would be a high draft pick for any team.
Zetterson on February 13, 2008 at 1:20 PM
The glaring and insurmountable flaw in your reasoning.
In 1994, conservatives took power because the American public was tired of the Dems making a mess of things.
But this was due to Dems making a mess of things after having control of power in Congress for YEARS and YEARS.
In 2006, Republicans got voted out of office because the American public decided that REPUBLICANS had made a mess of things after their 12 years of control. So let’s fast forward to 2010 – 4 years of Democrat control will not nearly be enough time for people to suddenly start believing that the Dems have screwed up enough to give Republicans their time in charge again. And by then, you’ll have the census done, and the Democrat controlled congress will redistrict to give themselves greater power, and you’re looking at the Republicans not gaining power for a very long time indeed.
Vyce on February 13, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Very important. Focus hard on state congresses also.
Individual citizens can help staunch the bloodloss vis-a-vis illegal aliens – erect an economic firewall between those businesses that repudiate illegals and those that don’t. Refuse to interact with both the businesses that hire illegals and those that patronise them.
A 21st century shunning, if you will.
LimeyGeek on February 13, 2008 at 1:21 PM
It doesn’t matter to them, William.
In their childish efforts to spite McCain, conservatives have finally reached equilibrium with liberals on at least one issue: they just don’t care about the war on terror anymore.
Vyce on February 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Yes, perhaps he is. As one who has not yet decided on my vote in the general, I have to say, Ed Morrisey’s account of their recent phone conference with McCain gives me a bit of hope. I’m still pretty wary, but it sounds like McCain may be recognizing what he has to do. If he continues along the old maverick path, he will lose. I’m willing to keep an open mind as we proceed.
a capella on February 13, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Vyce, if you want to vote for McCain that is perfectly fine with me. I’m not going to though. I never will. I said to myself at a young age that I would never vote for a liar or a backstabber in any election. John McCain is everything I told myself that I would never get behind. I would never support. I would never allow to LEAD me. John McCain is a liar and a backstabber who doesn’t have the decency to be truthful enough to belong to the party he actually aligns with. At least Obama and Hillary are honest enough to run for the party they agree with.
Call me a moron if you want. Call me stubborn. Perhaps I am. But what I’m not is a McCain supporter. Never will be. Never can be.
It just so happens that I believe not supporting McCain is both better for our country and much better for our party.
Zetterson on February 13, 2008 at 1:27 PM
We know Barak will let up on Al Qaeda.
Yeah, Barack will close Gitmo, forbid the CIA to use tough interrogation techniques, stop electronic surveillance of potential terrorists, and leave the border wide open so terrorists could easily get into the country! McCain would never do any of that!
Lehuster on February 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Obama will lose his temper and wig out again as he did when Maureen Dowd wrote about his “elephant ears”. The man has issues and the facade will fall if he is pressured. Now if we can only find someone to pressure him. He has had little, if any, resistance so far. That should change in the general election.
carbon_footprint on February 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Oh yeah, this is important. Is the rumor true about BO having a radical Islamist brother in Africa?
carbon_footprint on February 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Eye surgeon The dem primary turnout was about double that of the GOP in 1988 too. Dukakis didn’t win.
funky chicken on February 13, 2008 at 1:35 PM
She probably would be a high draft pick, but she’ll need to bulk up a bit to withstand the rigors of the NHL. I suggest the Cindy Sheehan Diet.
thirteen28 on February 13, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Yup. McCain is a disgrace in every sense. He’s weak on the WOT and liberal on everything domestically as well. But here’s the kicker, the big secret, neither Hillary or Obama is going to pull the troops out of Iraq or Afghanistan once elected. Nor are they going to pull troops out of Korea, Japan, etc. They might say they are going to end the war in election speeches but, believe me, neither one of them wants to have to deal with the consequences of those actions. Once the primaries are over, whoever the Dem nominee is will move to the right. Especially considering so much progress has been made since Gen Pattreus has taken the helm. They cannot ignore that progress in the general election. And more importantly they cannot ignore that progress once they take hold of the Presidency.
Zetterson on February 13, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Yep, McCain’s pro-life. What a disgrace.
McCain is against earmarks. What a disgrace.
McCain wants to expand the military. What a disgrace.
McCain voted for Roberts and Alito. What a disgrace.
Sure Obama will leave our troops over there. He just won’t fund them.
funky chicken on February 13, 2008 at 1:41 PM
So the 1994 Republican Congressonal victories had nothing to do with Bill Clinton? It was just an amazing coincidence that voters just happened to swing to the GOP in Clinton’s second year? Sorry, but that’s not how I remember it.
If the voters had been tired of the dems in congress why didn’t vote them out in 1988 with GHW Bush won? Or ‘84 under a Reagan landslide? Or ‘80? Answer: because the 1994 GOP congressional win was a direct result of the early Clinton years. Voters were reacting to Clinton’s mismanagement, from his attempt to put gays in the military to the Hilary-care disaster.
If BHO wins (which I think he will) he do a very poor job in running the administration. Congressional approval ratings are already in the toilet. And the party out of power always gains seats in an off-year election. The only way the GOP doesn’t see some sort of comeback in 2010 is if BHO is an exceptionally good president. Any bets on that?
Vote Sauron 08 on February 13, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Point well taken. From my point of view, however, we’re damned if they do and all but damned if they don’t. My basic point was, I just can’t stand the thought of Clinton as president.
EyeSurgeon on February 13, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Ahhh you obviously don’t know McCain as well as I do. He can’t wait to betray you. Once he holds power he will act pro choice in order to bring the country together. He will turn his back on any and all pork projects. He will promise not to expand our “military machine”. He will consult with Teddy Kennedy in order to pick judicial appointments. And if you were standing in front of him he’d spit in your face.
You’ll see.
Zetterson on February 13, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Well, many people do think Obama’s more defeatable. As I’ve said before: Old people vote, young people don’t. And I heard Democrat who called a public show show to address Clinton’s negatives, saying, in effect, that Clinton’s had topped out, while Obama’s would rise, since those evil Republicans and their noise machine would make the gullible and prejudiced American sheeple believe that Obama was Muslim (and, presumably, thus not someone they should vote for). It’s not that she’s a bigot, it’s those Republicans and the suckers who believe them.
I wish I’d called up in time to tell her that she is a bigot, and those type of tactics are why Clinton has such high negatives, why many who prefer the policies, record, and savvy of Clinton still would rather see an Obama presidency if a Democrat were elected. You don’t see Obama or his minions saying, “Clinton can’t manage her own marriage; how do you expect her to manage the country?” something you’re far more likely to hear from Republicans than any rumors of Obama being Muslim. I’m not an Obama supporter – I voted for Romney – but I find this caller’s logic representative of the cynical administration we’d be likely to get under Hillary Clinton. The self-righteous non-bigot bigots who think like her would find Clinton stronger in the general. And those Democrats disgusted by the likes of her want option (b) – driving a stake through Clinton’s heart ASAP.
calbear on February 13, 2008 at 1:49 PM
what is happening now with Clinton will happen if Jeb Bush/any Bush ever runs for president. Too much baggage, too many enemies, too many disillusionments. The era of Clinton/Bush is dead. Put a stick in it. The era of triangulation is dead. Now comes the era of dreams/hopes/vision. Hopefully McCain can seize the moment and start pushing the Senate into a new era. If he fails and if he sticks to the status quo then he is done.
Time to lay out a vision of energy independence, of limited government, of safe secure retirement with the government out of our pockets, of affordable helathcare with the government out of it, of a renewal of infrastructure, of fiscal responsibility, and of winning the damn war once and for all by taking the fight to the enemy.
unseen on February 13, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Geez, with people like this around there’s no need for me to say anything.
Exactly Right.
Dorvillian on February 13, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Allahpundit
Gregor on February 13, 2008 at 2:13 PM
Bingo. They talk a lot about it because they have to win the moonbats in the primaries. And they may even talk about it in the general campaign. But when push comes to shove, once elected, they will say “circumstances have changed” or some other empty crap and use that as a justification to keep troops in.
When democrats de-funded our defense of Vietnam in 1975 (thereby allowing a chaotic bloodbath to occur in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia), they surrendered the issue of national security to the Republicans for a generation. I don’t think they’ll be too anxious to surrender the issue to Republicans for another generation just to placate the moveon.org crowd for the short term.
And the GOP could still get a bonus out of that, as not only would that allow our troops to finish the job, but it could also depress their turnout for th 2010 midterms.
thirteen28 on February 13, 2008 at 2:14 PM
No biggie.
OneGyT on February 13, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Hey don’t blame us Ace readers…
doubleplusundead on February 13, 2008 at 2:34 PM
I still think Hillary supporters are more likely to goto McCain than Obama supporters.
pecan pie on February 13, 2008 at 12:21 PM
I agree we might tread into racial waters if Obama is the nominee, it’s unfortunate and unavoidable. But I never said anything about race, didn’t bring it up at all, and didn’t say anything that remotely implies it. I don’t know how you get that from what I said.
I’m saying that Hillary’s older, more moderate (relatively speaking, of course) security-minded supporters (only a part of her support base, she still has plenty of wackos) are more likely to goto McCain. If you stick to political ideology only, which perhaps is naive, and you put Obama on the spectrum at the far left, and Hillary just to McCains left (both close to center), then it makes more sense to stack McCain up against Obama and eliminate Hillary’s base of support by sweeping at least some of them into McCains camp. You don’t need them all, not even a majority. If the country is as closely divided as it was in the past two elections, you only need to grab up 3-4% of the ACTUAL DEMOCRATIC VOTERS (not Obama’s strong suit) to goto McCain. It seems to me those are more likely to come from Hillary’s camp.
That’s a good point to consider. Best argument I’ve heard yet for a spoil to goto Clinton.
I’m no fan of any of the three of them. I’m still in mourning over all the real conservatives getting run out of town by the moderates in the Republican party in Iowa, NH, SC and so on. Thanks folks.
pecan pie on February 13, 2008 at 3:03 PM
You know, Reagen was wrong on some Fundamental issues. Obama is wrong on some fundamental issues. What’s the difference?
PresidenToor on February 13, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Come on. I lived in Virginia for 20 years until 2004, and if I still lived there I would have voted for Obama. It might be the only chance Republicans will get to vote against Hillary Clinton. It was obvious from the polls that Republican votes would not make the difference in Obama winning or losing the Virginia primary. I for sure would not have voted in the so-called Republican primary, since there were not any actual Republicans on the ballot.
Besides, why not let Barack continue to delude himself that Republicans actually like him? He will find out the bitter truth in November!
rockmom on February 13, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Well, the tag-line is certainly living up to its promise…
Blacklake on February 13, 2008 at 4:48 PM
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