Obama: Elect me and I’ll lose the war AND raise your taxes! Update: Video added
posted at 9:59 pm on February 12, 2008 by Bryan
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Barack Obama is speaking to a packed auditorium in Wisconsin right now, more or less taking the opportunity of winning the Potomac Primary to pivot from the Democrat race to the general election. That’s surely the tone, since he’s ignoring Hillary Clinton and attacking John McCain, the war in Iraq, and Republican policies.
Once he’s finished I’ll cut some and post it here. I’m struck by how Mondalian he sounds. And how easy he’s finding it to twist McCain’s words on the “100 years” comment. He’s shedding his Mr. Clean image to launch a fairly negative string of attacks on McCain, whom he just praised as a hero for opposing tax breaks.
Interesting. He speaks with passion, but if most Americans tune in enough to hear what he actually says, he’s a weak candidate. Much weaker than I thought.
Now he’s talking about joining the Peace Corps or learning a foreign language to create the America “we dreamed of.” Why don’t liberals tout opening a business or joining the military?
If you’re watching this, chime in with your reaction to this speech. He’s not disguising his hard leftism anymore.
Update: While I’m processing the video, a few thoughts. John McCain will have his work cut out for him against Obama. In any normal year, Obama would be weak, but this is no normal year. Add in the fact that McCain is about twice as old as Obama and the fact that, as you’ll see in the video, Obama skillfully uses McCain’s own class warfare words against him and then slyly hits McCain for accepting the reality that the expiration of tax cuts equals a tax hike, and you have the makings of an uphill fight for the Mac. Then add in McCain’s own weaknesses with his own party…ugh. Obama is Jimmy Carter on steroids when it comes to policy, but he is Bill Clinton without baggage on the personal side.
Update: Still processing the video. Here’s McCain’s now infamous “100 years in Iraq” remark, which in context makes sense. He’s saying that as long Iraq is our ally and we’re not just stuck in a war there, if we can help them out and if they want us around, being there for a long time is not a bad thing. He compares it to South Korea and Japan, where we have had troops for decades at the request of host governments. Not, as Ron Paul says, because we’re an “empire.” That’s idiotic.
Update: Here’s an edit of Obama’s speech tonight. For a candidate who keeps talking about always looking forward, he sure spends a lot of time engaging in recriminations over the past. It’s fair, of course, to point out differences etc, but the way he does it doesn’t match his lofty rhetoric about bringing everyone together and writing a new chapter in American history.
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This time he removed the “50 years” from McCain’s service.
photom on February 12, 2008 at 10:02 PM
We need to stop this guy. He is not only arrogant, he is obsessed with winning the approval and love of everyone around him, the whole country, and the entire world. Clinton’s character flaws were only self-destructive. This guy is not self-destructive. I do not like the trajectory of his political career.
indythinker on February 12, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Don’t underestimate the Obama-nator, bp. What sounds like hard leftism to the average conservative ear comes across as moderate earnestness to the casual listener.
Also, behind the frontal attacks on the GOP are passive-aggressive attacks on Hillary.
Smart politics.
He’s a threat.
Michelle on February 12, 2008 at 10:05 PM
I’ve never sat and listened to him for an extended period of time before until now.
The man is a communist.
MrSteve on February 12, 2008 at 10:05 PM
after listening to this speech, count me down as a McCain voter. Good grief, if his “likeability” factor doesn’t wear off we are screwed.
jp on February 12, 2008 at 10:06 PM
He just told the assembled leftists in Madison that he’ll make it “so that you don’t have to be rich to go to college!” Heh.
Quick, someone ask some of the 170,000 students in the U of W system if they’re “rich”. Then ask who controls a system that charges kids over $30,000 a year to go to a state school? Those damned rich Republicans?
Uh…no. Leftists…like our douchebag, do nothing junior Senator.
Jaibones on February 12, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Che is sitting up in his grave, taking notes.
JammieWearingFool on February 12, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Uh, Bryan, that’s pretty disrespectful… Haven’t you heard, Obama accomplished being black and I’ve heard him says “hope” and “change” hundreds of times. If that doesn’t make him a shoe in for POTUS, I don’t know what does!
RightWinged on February 12, 2008 at 10:07 PM
I weep.
WisCon on February 12, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Can’t say no to this! Socialism ho!
stonemeister on February 12, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Empty suit with pants around his ankles.
Love it.
profitsbeard on February 12, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Oh, come on, bro. He’s not that much worse than any of the professors in Madison.
Jaibones on February 12, 2008 at 10:09 PM
I’m pretty sure he basically lied when he said that he shouldn’t be were he is because he didn’t come from money. In reality, he had wealthy grandparents in Hawaii that raised him.
jp on February 12, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Not underestimating him at all. Just looking at him from a policy point of view. He’s coming out of the lefty closet tonight, which may be a revelation to some people.
Bryan on February 12, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Can’t be any worse than what we have now. Bush sending our money to Mexico and staging and invasion (with McCain, Kennedy and crew), bailing out irresponsible lenders and homeowners. Hey if someone is going to raise taxes and give out welfare, may as well put US CITIZENS on the top of the list for the give away.
Besides, we can have our military back to fend off the invasion…Bush and McCain will bring the invasion while our military is tied up overseas and can’t get back here.
There is no difference in who wins the presidency (just a matter of what excuse is used to raise taxes, and who gets the handouts).
TOPV on February 12, 2008 at 10:10 PM
He’s talking about giving my money away! To listen to him he’s already been anointed and crowned. This guy is dangerous, and yes he’s a socialist. Marx would be proud and I don’t mean Groucho.
I will be voting for whoever opposes him in the general.
Oldnuke on February 12, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I was watching the coverage earlier — had to change the channel. I was getting ill listening to the crap he was spewing and from the cheers he was getting for said crap.
Ick! South Park was right. 1/4 of the population is retarded…
db on February 12, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Obama’s entire campaign is centered on the word “change,” to the point where the logo on his podium this evening in Wisconsin was literally the word “change” and nothing else. Obama is simply telling us that after he’s done with us, all we’ll have left in our pockets is change…
Outlander on February 12, 2008 at 10:14 PM
I saw this, and thought the same, he’s a good speaker, but the stuff that’s coming out of his mouth shows he has no clue what democracy is up against. He scares me even more than Hillary.
4shoes on February 12, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Hmm, hard decision: in the generals, do I bite my lip and vote for McCain, or do I vote Libertarian, who just sent their condolences to the RNC for McCain’s win?
Tzetzes on February 12, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Obama’s speeches are getting weaker. He’s repeating the same stuff and adding some John Edwards lines too. I even think I’ve heard him say “straight talk” a couple times before. So he sorta sounds like McCain also.
terryannonline on February 12, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Scary … I agree. But there are plenty of delegates to go.
I still think Team Clinton is holding back a few “nukes”.
Expect a “launch” by the end of the weekend.
Obama = scary … but the Clinton’s = Pure TERROR!
Chimp 6 on February 12, 2008 at 10:15 PM
a couple weeks ago, out with some people for dinner….middle aged republican voters generally but not ideological or political. Some were ready to vote for Obama and “liked him”, hated Hillary. They had no idea how far out in left field he is, I pointed out he has a more liberal record than Hillary and they were shocked.
jp on February 12, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Hugo Chavez was likeable and spoke of hope and change when he was running for President of Venezuela.
Pcoop on February 12, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Hillary is in serious trouble so if her “Secret Police’ has anything incriminating on Obama, look for her to spring it soon. I’m amazed that the Clinton Machine ran out of gas against this inexperienced lightweight but equally surprising is McCain’s capturing of the Republican Party. Divide and conquer.
MaiDee on February 12, 2008 at 10:17 PM
I think I’ll go out on a limb and predict this is going to be one of the ugliest presidential contests evuh!
db on February 12, 2008 at 10:18 PM
a vote for the LP or any other 3rd party by any conservative is a vote for Obama/Hillary. thats just a mathematical fact.
jp on February 12, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Bryan, just tracked back to your post - you’re spot on on BO no longer hiding his hard liberalism, especially regarding his defeatist commentary on the war in Iraq. How inspiring that must have been to the troops to find out that the guy who wants to be their CIC doesn’t believe in the war in which they’ve made so many gains over the last year.
SisterToldjah on February 12, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Hillary 12 Because the Clintons wont suck as bad as obama did in 08
/New Clinton strategy is to lose to obama and undermine him for the general.
Keep in mind obama is winning in a DEMOCRATIC primary against a very weak hillary. And hes doing it on the backs of getting huge majorities of the black vote.
Every large state that Hillary wins or is competitve in with Obama is hispanic states. Maryland andWisconsin and Virginia have large black Majorities and smaller Hispanic majorities.
Texas should go to Hillary. Ohio probably Obama.
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 10:22 PM
He will make McGovern look successful by comparison.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 12, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Leave Hillary out of this. Oh man, I’m awesome… that was both a jab at the atrocious politics of the Clintons, and her hideousness.
Seriously though, all of the ugliness we’ve seen so far can pretty much be traced back to her. And as much as I want her to be their nominee (because she’s at least beatable, Obama isn’t), if she is - you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. And I still say, as Obama shows he’s in this race, and arguably the frontrunner… he should fear for his life. Hire more security and even food testers. Hillary has orchestrated decades to build to this moment and she will not allow Barry to come in and steal it away. This is a one shot deal. No 2012/16 for her. Watch out Obama. And I’m more serious than a I am joking about the concern for Obama’s well being.
RightWinged on February 12, 2008 at 10:22 PM
So will Obama’s re-election campaign slogan in 2012 be “Same” ??
MrSteve on February 12, 2008 at 10:23 PM
This article from Dean Barnett that you linked to earlier Bryan was very interesting. Take him off the teleprompter and he’s not as smooth or sure of himself, and take him off script and the hard leftie comes out.
Here’s the video of the speach Barnett is talking about if anyone is interested.
MT on February 12, 2008 at 10:23 PM
I posted this in another thread, but it fits in here just as well:
I think Americans are sick of double-speaking democrats and their socialist candidates. Americans understand what the war is really about, and want to win as opposed to facing Sharia law; they want to keey their money, not donate it to DC to redistribute to drug addicts and other assorted parasites (personal or corporate); they believe our country was based on Judeo-Christian tenets, not on homosexual, trans-gendered, atheistic philosophies; they respect the laws - all laws, not just the ones they choose to respect; they believe federal judges should argue the constitutionality, not the popularity or social holistics, of laws; they believe that capitalism and free markets work, especially given 10,000+ year of fine-tuning, and don’t want social experimenting on ideas like communism, state-run healthcare, and income redistribution; and they don’t like being lied to, as the ends do not justify the means.
You gotta give credit to the people.
stonemeister on February 12, 2008 at 10:24 PM
A LITTLE???
Well ok,maybe a little is too much for me. Its hard to know just how socialist he is since he never says anything of substance.
allrsn on February 12, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Sounds like a winning platform to me :)
bnelson44 on February 12, 2008 at 10:25 PM
That’s exactly what I was saying in the other thread. I’m encouraged. He can’t give empty speeches all the time: he has to play for something or against something.
In this particular speech, which he had actually already given, the mask was off. He was intensely lefty, headed directly towards Edwards territory. He was also borderline offensive in saying that certain “mindsets” have to end, that companies will have to surrender or give away their profits, and that somehow, raising taxes on high income earners will help someone pay their bills. How so? The only way is called redistribution: give away that tax money to the hypothetical poor persons. Americans don’t like that; radical Moveon.org types like the ones in that college auditorium do. Another offensive thing: dissing Wal Mart jobs.
One more thing, in case anyone is still reading. He makes a huge mistake as far as logic goes in his arguments. I’m surprised at this fact because he’s an extremely smart man; therefore the only conclusion is that he’s so blinded by ideology he didn’t catch it. Here it is:
Frequent Obama Statement #1: If you work hard in this country, you should do well.
Real Meaning: Lots and lots of the people who vote for me work really hard but still struggle. The market is not rewarding them fairly, so we (actually, you, taxpayer) must chime in. Intro welfare, minimum wage, trade restrictions, subsidies, etc.
Frequent Obama Statement #2: I believe in the American dream for everybody.
Real Meaning: Currently, not everyone has a chance to enjoy the American dream. If you’re poor, or member of a minority, or someone I’m particularly targeting, there is no American dream for you. The only way to get it is by forcing everyone to have it: the government (meaning you, the taxpayer), will have to pay for health care for anyone who needs it, welfare subsidies for anyone who needs it and, this is quite a novelty, a full college education for anyone who needs it.
Frequent Obama Statement #3: I should not be here. I’m the son of a broken biracial home, who struggled in his youth, etc.
Real Supposed Meaning: This is a racist country. If you’re not born into “class” or “money”, you’re not going to make it. That means you too. The only way is for the government to lift you up.
Insert Huge Obama Mistake: He is living proof of the fact that what he says is flat wrong! Precisely the fact that he’s standing there as a candidate from outside the establishment, and with all that ethnic background and the name Barack Hussein, proves the USA is a tolerant country. It proves no matter who you are or where you were born, you can make it. You got a great shot at being President of the United States. People helped you along the way. You didn’t get there because of government. You got there because you are a smart, dedicated and decent man.
Am I explaining myself clearly? I think it’s pretty obvious what I’m getting at. Obama’s story would suggest a (classic) liberal mindset. Wanna talk minorities? How about Frederick Douglass, Martin Luther King Jr, Condoleezza Rice, Thomas Sowell, Colin Powell, even Ayaan Hirsi Ali? You don’t have to breathe identity politics nor proclaim the only way to succeed is government to actually do it.
I hope McCain points it out in the debates. Aren’t you living proof that the US is an essentially good country? Aren’t you living proof that the system works fine as it is, without imposing all these measures you propose to somehow make it good?
Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to have your opinions.
Baphomet on February 12, 2008 at 10:27 PM
All McCain has to do is say “Obama and his democratic freinds have caused and economic crash and do we really want that change ? Now he wants to abandon the WOT and go back to allowing AL Qaeda to come to the US and kill us here is that also the change we want ?
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Yep, McShamnesty is gonna get killed. Good call.
jwp1964 on February 12, 2008 at 10:28 PM
This years election reminds me of another
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern#1972_Presidential_election
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Very good points and I agree completely. I actually meant after the primaries with (presumably) BO vs. JM, but I’m glad you took it the way you did ’cause I enjoyed you comments!
db on February 12, 2008 at 10:31 PM
You are just wrong. McCain won’t raise taxes, he wont lose the war. And this so called invasion you are talking about, which I don’t think will happen. Will be of mexican immigrants, if we give up in the war on terror, we will have Al Qaeda terrorist in america who will hurt a lot more then immigrants. McCain has promised to secure the borders, and I believe him, Obama won’t even try. McCain won’t institute socialized Healthcare, Obama would. McCain will stop the wasteful spending and pork projects that have given us outstanding debt, Obama wouldn’t. McCain would continue wiretapping terrorist and protecting the country, Obama voted today to prosecute the telecoms who helped the Bush admin. The choice is easy, if you think clearly and look at the facts, McCain is not the best conservative choice but he is a hell of a lot better then any democrat.
Complete7 on February 12, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Yeah, where’s a swampy Clinton smear job when you need one? Like someone else said, we really need the nukes this time. Let’s get the conservative vote out in Texas for our favorite gal.
Baphomet on February 12, 2008 at 10:35 PM
You have to wait 9 minutes to hear what his plan is…and then it’s not really a plan at all. If you listen close enough, he HAS NO PLAN and just rambles on…
Sad thing is, millions of American’s are falling for it.
colep on February 12, 2008 at 10:40 PM
If and I mean “IF” he wins the nomination, we can look forward to a smear campaign like no other. Billary will work behind the scenes to see that Oprama does not win this election. Mark my words, Billary will not give up easily. On another note, this whole thing seems like “Oprama’s New Clothes”. It’s down right frightening.
bloggless on February 12, 2008 at 10:40 PM
as i laid in my friends college dorm, on the verge of slumber from consuming ice cold beer, i had a funny thought that ran through my already slap-happy mind:
what if obama is the anti-christ? seriously. im not a religious person but, based on my catholic school education, the anti-christ is suppose to arrive on the message of hope and unity, and be very charming and everyone will love him until his true colors become apparent
blatantblue on February 12, 2008 at 10:41 PM
He DID come off as VERY arrogant tonight. His “ideas” have no foundation in reality. McCain came off as stiff and rehearsed…and he was reading off the damned teleprompter again. IT.JUST.LOOKS.CHEESY.
Shrillary needs to start hitting Obama on all this empty rhetoric herself. Ironic that she’ll have to tack right to beat Obama.
SouthernGent on February 12, 2008 at 10:42 PM
I believe that millions of Americans are joyfully anticipating voting for the first Black American President. It will be their legacy.
bloggless on February 12, 2008 at 10:42 PM
If and I mean “IF” he wins the nomination, we can look forward to a smear campaign like no other
I think the Clintonian Socialists will find a way to steal it, but great point.
colep on February 12, 2008 at 10:42 PM
When Obama strolls into his White House on Jan. 20 next year, I hope he understands how much help he got from Limbaugh, Malkin, HA and other “pundits.”
The constant attacks on McCain from so-called “Republican conservatives” who can’t imagine supporting a candidate who isn’t in absolute lockstep with their views is ensuring that we will have a socialist empty suit to deal with for eight years.
Obama can do enough damage to ensure that no succeeding president can undo the destruction to the American way of life in our lifetimes.
Think of it: we’ll have our own Chavez here. Knowing that Limabaugh may get great ratings as the “opposition” doesn’t exactly thrill me. You and I will be paying for it.
MrScribbler on February 12, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Well isnt just McCain that Obama has to fight. The 527s will be out gunning for him and there is already enough internet play of anti Obama stuff to even make the MSM worried about it.
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 10:42 PM
lol i dont think he is, it was just a funny thought that ran through my mind
blatantblue on February 12, 2008 at 10:42 PM
what if obama is the anti-christ?
You’re not the only one… Trust me!
colep on February 12, 2008 at 10:43 PM
blantant blue, why are you drinking beer on a school night? And his true colors are black and blue (lips).
bloggless on February 12, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Those pundits have every right to be upset at McCain over issues.
However while I have heard them all say they’d back Hillary not one has said they would back Obama over McCain.
Give them time they will come around
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 10:44 PM
I will take McCain over this guy, anyday. And so should any true conservative. Anne Coulter, too.
bloggless on February 12, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Be afraid, be very afraid. I fear for the future of the Republic.
misterspork on February 12, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Yes, when he mentions hints of his policy it is downright scary that he can put such things past people on oratory skill alone. And why is putting McCorpse against him is a winning strategy?
LevStrauss on February 12, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Naivete seems to be your specialty.
Do tell, how has your life been shattered by the policies of the Bush administration for the last seven years?
What the hell are you talking about?
Do you live in a hole in the ground or a smoke filled dorm? Anyone who believes there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans when it comes to taxes either hasn’t been employed or hasn’t bothered to look at their paystub. And the only “handouts” I can recall have come from Democrats, gleefully distributed to the uninformed sheeple they depend on to get them re-elected to office.
fogw on February 12, 2008 at 10:45 PM
“Bill Clinton without baggage”
NONSENSE:
REZKO IS WORSE THAN WHITEWATER.
READ MY POSTS ON IT. ABOUT FOUR - MOSTLY WITH STIFF FROM CHICAGO SUN TIMES AND THE TRIB.
reliapundit on February 12, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Out of 300 million people, how could our selection for Pres. suck this bad?!?!?
colep on February 12, 2008 at 10:46 PM
The saddest thing of all is that either Mitt or Rudy would slice and dice him in a one on one debate. I don’t think McCain’s methods or personality are going to work in his favor.
a capella on February 12, 2008 at 10:47 PM
McCain does have some points in his favor. Hillary cant pull the “Im more experienced than Obama” very well but McCain certainly can.
McCain has some insroads into Hispanics a group Obama is weak on. And his Military record shuts up the Kossies who cant scream “Chicken Hawk” at McCain.
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 10:47 PM
All the vitrol being passed out about the Presidential race is distracting the GOP(and I mean us…not the ties) from the real race for power….the house and senate. That is where I am the most worried. A Donkey president (of any flavor), with a super-majority on the hill. If the donks pull that off then America will be Britian in two years.
Limerick on February 12, 2008 at 10:47 PM
And- as long his his small delegation isn’t required- look for John Edwards either being the Attorney General or a Supreme Court justice.
Doesn’t that just make your heart flutter? (It’s called tachycardia).
michaelo on February 12, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Obama’s family are already calling for him to send armamants to Kenya.
He thinks the White House is there for the taking.
Pax americana on February 12, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Edwards just a few days ago pull out of a meeting with Obama. My guess is Hillary sweetened the deal (A Supreme Court Nomination ?) to John Edards.
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Wake up, folks! The New Populism is here and America’s buying it whether any us indivudually like it or not.
eanax on February 12, 2008 at 10:50 PM
I’ve got a poster for ya.
Deety on February 12, 2008 at 10:52 PM
McCain will absolutely annahilate this guy in the general election. Hope and change only goes so far. And it’s not to the whitehouse.
therightwinger on February 12, 2008 at 10:52 PM
If you restrict it to taxation, yes. But, earmarks are an equal opportunity handout. The GOP is just as guilty, and it is one of the things that is taking them down.
a capella on February 12, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Eh, I don’t think so. Remember, primary voters are a very narrow focus group.
SouthernGent on February 12, 2008 at 10:52 PM
In that case you should remember that no losing Presidential candidate in post-war history has seen his party regain control of Congress. Obama will have big coattails if he wins, and that means a Democratic supermajority on Capitol hill.
Pax americana on February 12, 2008 at 10:53 PM
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 10:47 PM
With such a good speaker you have to have more than that. It looks less like experience and more of a vitality question. McCain’s time was eight years ago, Gore was a much easier candidate and he would have “beat him like a drum” as he used to say. Now McCorpse is that drum.
Most importantly because most of your arguments in McCain’s favor were the same reasons I was told Dole would beat Clinton.
LevStrauss on February 12, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Aw, what’s so bad about Kevin F’ing Barrett?
MadisonConservative on February 12, 2008 at 10:56 PM
In 1996 Bill Clinton didnt even hit 50% of the vote because that idiot Ross perot was still running. Yes Dole was a bad choice but even against a sitting president he held him under 50%. Obama has a different sort of baggage he brings to the table than Clinton.
Keep in mind that the Green party is still lurking out there to help.
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Ok, explain to me how learing a foriegn language helps me achieve the American dream. Oh, wait, sorry, that’s not for me, it’s for all those illegals flowing over the border. That must be who the “we” is.
boomer on February 12, 2008 at 10:57 PM
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/01/obamas-corrupt-dealings-with-chicago.html
OR GOOGLE OBAMA CORRUPT
reliapundit on February 12, 2008 at 10:58 PM
I think that is a good slogan there Bryan. McCain should anser Obama by saying that OIbama doesnt want to END the war he wants to LOSE it. That is the change Obama offers.
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Learning a foreign language means that when you are digging slit trenches in your Peace Corp service you will be able to gently explain the purpose of them.
Limerick on February 12, 2008 at 10:59 PM
THAT is just too scary to even think about.
TroubledMonkey on February 12, 2008 at 10:59 PM
I have to agree. We know the politics, and look at what that got us. Insofar as the middle has anything to really do with the election, they don’t care about anything beyond platitudes, and that is what Obama delivers in droves. Worse, enough of us are not going to put on the nose plugs to stop a Dem takeover.
As for just how big that rally is, the Kohl Center holds roughly 18,000 for hockey, which should translate to about 20,000 for a speech. Yes, that is in Madison, with a school population of better than 50,000 and a permanent (mostly government as it’s the state capital) of roughly 223,000. And yes, Madison is known as the Berkley of the Midwest (Toledo is merely a piker, even if Ohio can be considered “Midwest”). However, it’s not easy to pack 20,000 in for a one-day-notice speech when the streets are full of snow; they do a very poor job of snow removal and it snowed much of the day.
That part is the scariest for me.
steveegg on February 12, 2008 at 11:00 PM
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/search?q=REZKO
OBAMA SLIMIER THAN BJ AND HILL
reliapundit on February 12, 2008 at 11:00 PM
All of the better, eloquent liberals are very good at seduction.
Always the intent of any
vacuum salespersonpolitician is the power rush and the subsequent money.Some liberals actually have an amazingly scummy ability to make theft and shackles sound good, at least to the soft scull crowd.
Obama’s weakness is his extremely negative concepts of America and Americans.
We really don’t deserve punishment for greatness.
Speakup on February 12, 2008 at 11:01 PM
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 10:56 PM
McCain isn’t packing the pews. The Dems are growing. You can’t win the future with the past. McCain agreed with Bush on more than either agreed with Conservatives. So he is going to be associated with Bush. Besides McCain is a media creation and what they create they can just as easily destroy. The MSM is McCain’s base but they will throw him under the bus for the first black president. Huck does well against a hostile media because of his likability. McCorpse will not know what to do when the MSM turns on him and they will. He will look old and confused by design.
LevStrauss on February 12, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Just because the system is good doesn’t mean we can’t make it better.
That’s exactly the point Obama is making. Yes we can. We can provide health care for all. We can do better with the environment. We can achieve better social justice. We might have done a lot, but there is definitely room for improvement.
mycowardice on February 12, 2008 at 11:04 PM
securitay …
darkegop on February 12, 2008 at 11:06 PM
It’s a rare honor to help out the boss.
Jaibones on February 12, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Sorry, there are a lot of Indpendents voting in the primaries all across the country and the majority of them are voting for Dems.
Just be ready this Fall, folks, ’cause I don’t want to read a whole lot of whining and b*tching because the Dems won and you can’t understand why.
eanax on February 12, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Amusing to see McCain called out for his tax cut lie. In fact, it’s so funny I think I’ll beat my head on my desk until I hear a squishy sound. What kills me, absolutely kills me, is that another candidate would have been able to say, “What’s wrong with giving tax cuts to the people who are actually paying the taxes?” That response is completely off the table. Thanks, Mav!
Laura on February 12, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Yet he has never acheived any of that before so his slogans are empty. He is a politican making promises and has never shown he can deliver on them
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Come on, now, MC. Barrett’s not a professor, and you know it. He’s an adjunk. Heh.
Jaibones on February 12, 2008 at 11:12 PM
And postmoderns are so incapable of critical thought that they don’t understand that, and if they did, they wouldn’t care. Because how you feel about something is what’s important.
Laura on February 12, 2008 at 11:14 PM
I can see why Obama gets the youth vote:
Free Health Care!
Free College Tuition!
Why bother getting a job? We’ll just take ExxonMobil’s profits and put you on Social Security straight out of college!
If you’re young and don’t care who gets robbed to pay for it, why wouldn’t you love it? Party time! Woo-hoo!
I only hope that tradition runs true and the youth vote sleeps in as usual in the general. I’m not counting on it.
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Conversely,
- Dishonest twist on the 100 years in Iraq comment, as mentioned.
- No mention of the $30,000,000,000 (30 billion) ExxonMobil just paid in taxes, equal to the taxes paid by the entire bottom 50% of the citizenry - 65,000,000 people.
- Cut and run from Iraq as soon as possible. Previous sacrifices be damned. Get Osama!
I’ve seldom heard someone say so little with so many words, but hey - he’s eloquent right?
DreadWolf on February 12, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Obama says we need to get rid of the mindset after 9/11 that got us into Iraq? Going on the offensive against our biggest enemy?
First donation to McCain goes in…now.
amerpundit on February 12, 2008 at 11:24 PM
I don’t want my country to be loved, I want it to be respected and feared!
rgranger on February 12, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Yeah, I’m sure there’s quite a few people who went to college that would like to find out they’re rich.
amerpundit on February 12, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Yup.
Bryan on February 12, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Baphomet:
I think you misunderstand Obama’s appeal. It isn’t intellectual, it’s emotional. Obama’s audience isn’t thinking, they are feeling.
When you listen to his speeches, notice the rhythm, the cadence, the intonation. He builds up an emotional reaction and unleashes it with a general platitude that everyone accepts as favorable. It’s orgasmic. It brings men to their feet, cheering, and moves women to tears.
All he needs to add are the torches, the flags, and the marching bands, and it would be the 1930’s all over again. Look at the old news reels.
When he begins to point his followers toward a enemy you’ll see what I mean.
rockhauler on February 12, 2008 at 11:30 PM
That’s the entire Democratic Party — it’s always been about emotion. They thrive on it…
eanax on February 12, 2008 at 11:32 PM
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