Obama: Elect me and I’ll lose the war AND raise your taxes! Update: Video added
posted at 9:59 pm on February 12, 2008 by Bryan
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Barack Obama is speaking to a packed auditorium in Wisconsin right now, more or less taking the opportunity of winning the Potomac Primary to pivot from the Democrat race to the general election. That’s surely the tone, since he’s ignoring Hillary Clinton and attacking John McCain, the war in Iraq, and Republican policies.
Once he’s finished I’ll cut some and post it here. I’m struck by how Mondalian he sounds. And how easy he’s finding it to twist McCain’s words on the “100 years” comment. He’s shedding his Mr. Clean image to launch a fairly negative string of attacks on McCain, whom he just praised as a hero for opposing tax breaks.
Interesting. He speaks with passion, but if most Americans tune in enough to hear what he actually says, he’s a weak candidate. Much weaker than I thought.
Now he’s talking about joining the Peace Corps or learning a foreign language to create the America “we dreamed of.” Why don’t liberals tout opening a business or joining the military?
If you’re watching this, chime in with your reaction to this speech. He’s not disguising his hard leftism anymore.
Update: While I’m processing the video, a few thoughts. John McCain will have his work cut out for him against Obama. In any normal year, Obama would be weak, but this is no normal year. Add in the fact that McCain is about twice as old as Obama and the fact that, as you’ll see in the video, Obama skillfully uses McCain’s own class warfare words against him and then slyly hits McCain for accepting the reality that the expiration of tax cuts equals a tax hike, and you have the makings of an uphill fight for the Mac. Then add in McCain’s own weaknesses with his own party…ugh. Obama is Jimmy Carter on steroids when it comes to policy, but he is Bill Clinton without baggage on the personal side.
Update: Still processing the video. Here’s McCain’s now infamous “100 years in Iraq” remark, which in context makes sense. He’s saying that as long Iraq is our ally and we’re not just stuck in a war there, if we can help them out and if they want us around, being there for a long time is not a bad thing. He compares it to South Korea and Japan, where we have had troops for decades at the request of host governments. Not, as Ron Paul says, because we’re an “empire.” That’s idiotic.
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Heh. So who does that make Leni Reifenstahl, the AP, or Reuters? No, wait… MSNBC? :-p
Laura on February 12, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Yeah how does the country feel about Iraq? That’s a sure winner for Obama. Two thirds are against the war and the recession hasn’t started yet. Hair of the dog is not going to be a winning position in the election. The war is an easy position for the apathetic public to take because it is a boolean.
LevStrauss on February 12, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Those Obama Kids need to enter the newly created Obama Cult Rehab Program.
Remember friends, there are other victims involved here. They are the anguished family and friends of the cult member, who are left in shock and confusion watching helplessly on the sidelines.
They know better than most people that something is seriously wrong. Jane is no longer herself. She has changed and changed for the worse. Instead of being warm, friendly, affectionate and good humoured, she has become cold, alienated, distant and defensive. Gone are the times of casual banter, the light hearted witticisms and the sympathetic ear. Jane is now angry, secretive and paranoid.
faraway on February 12, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Ah, but his whole campaign will be about change and ending all of the policies that have supposedly lead us to where we are now. People will and are buying it.
Again, all he’ll have to do is say: “See, do we really need more of that? Isn’t it time we move in a different direction based on hope…”
eanax on February 12, 2008 at 11:39 PM
I already speak a foreign language. English. I live in CA,
calgrammy on February 12, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Hope that Al Qaeda will leave us alone Hope that the US congress doesnt keep screwing things up, Hope that China will leave us alone, hope that Europe will not be fierce economic competitors ……….
You can have all the hope in the world it doesnt change reality
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 11:41 PM
I hope he tells us what he’s going to do.
I hope he tells us where the money will come from to finance his spending programs.
I hope he will tell us what DinnerJacket will say to him on his visit to Tehran.
As you see, I too am full of hope.
faraway on February 12, 2008 at 11:44 PM
This race is almost over on the Democratic side. If Hillary doesn’t win WI next Tuesday, there is going to be a lot of pressure for her to drop out. The powers at be in the Democratic party don’t want this to go to convention.
This may be a dramatic week on the Democratic side.
bnelson44 on February 12, 2008 at 11:45 PM
(Playing Devil’s Advocate here)…
But, see, Senator M, it’s clear what you’re doing here. You’re hoping to scare us, keep us in fear. Fear that we’ll be attacked again. We won’t live with fear any longer; we will live in hope and optimism about America’s future and how we can change it for the better. Hope triumphs over fear, and fear is all you’re selling and America isn’t buying…
eanax on February 12, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Like a bunch of happy Lemmings,one by one over
the abyss clift of hope and change!
canopfor on February 12, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Honestly I dont have a clue what Obama can offer the clintons ? She is too old to be his VP and other than a Supreme Court nomination for Bill (unlikely) there is not one thing Obama has that Hillary can or would take.
Remember this is the same group that backed Gore’s 2000 election challenge in Florida its not like they havent done this kind of fight before.
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 11:48 PM
I have a nasty feeling we could be facing Obama/Gore this fall.
Pax americana on February 12, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Then the responce “Arent you selling fear ? Dont you scare people with warnings about their Health care or scare them about losing their jobs, or scare them that corporations are evil ?
Obama you have played the fear game more than anyone else and your hope and change are only empty rhetoric.”
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Your headline is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! I’m listening to Obama’s speech – really listening to it – and I’m thinking ‘Jesus Christ, this guy’s dangerous as hell.’ I had to hit the mute button. Honestly, I’ve not paid much attention to him because…well, because I would never vote for him — I find him smarmy, and dishonest, and contrived — but now that I’ve listened, I think he’s nuts. A uniter? Give me a break! This guy is a nation destroyer. I have never been a McCain fan, but I’m hoppin’ on that bus real fast. God help us.
Rational Thought on February 12, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Gore earlier frefused to back either candidate. Again Gore is doing much better out of politics than in.
I look for Obama to look towards someone like Wesley Clark than say Hillary would.
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Bullshit aside, I don’t think the Maverick would get that kind of crowd reaction, even though most of this Obama crap is empty rhetoric. He sure has those libs snowed pretty good.
echosyst on February 12, 2008 at 11:52 PM
We need to multiply that all across the country. Obama is terrible news for the US.
Baphomet on February 12, 2008 at 11:53 PM
The people have spoken. This is what they want. I say let them have it.
Talon on February 12, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Good recovery. It’s important for Mac to turn the fear stuff that Obama peddles against him, and thereby blunt its impact.
Pax americana on February 12, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Hillary has already been the VP. Why would she want it again?
Same for AlGore.
I’m holding out for the Mccain/Michael Steele combo.
faraway on February 12, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Nonsense. Dem primary turnout has been running at not much more than 10% of the electorate. The liberals and Democrat party hacks have spoken for sure, but don’t for a minute pretend that the American people have spoken as of yet.
Pax americana on February 12, 2008 at 11:56 PM
McCain/Steele would be awesome.
Pax americana on February 12, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Men of Steel – McCain/Steele.
faraway on February 12, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Ah, but Senator, we aren’t and haven’t been attacked since 9/11 and people here in America are losing their jobs and their health care every day. Those are the facts and not fears. You sell the fear in being attacked again; yet it hasn’t materialized. I meet people every day who’ve lost their jobs or who have no health care. Again, facts over fear.
eanax on February 12, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Steele would be a mistake. McCain cant attack Obama for being inexperienced and then put into the VP slot a guy who has less experience than Obama.
William Amos on February 12, 2008 at 11:59 PM
I’m not used to listening to Democrats give campaign speeches. Is it just Obama, or do they all use the term “workers” to refer to Americans? It’s so completely ridiculous it’s almost quaint. Like the IWW.
Infidoll on February 13, 2008 at 12:02 AM
No, he’s an “Arabist”, an “anti-Zionist”, and someone that I damn well hope the FBI and DHS and CIA are watching like a hawk. Member of the local Madison Muslim Dawa Circle, claims that every single attack blamed on Muslims was carried out by Western government conspirators, that they do no wrong.
One of the few people whom, if they died, I would raise a beer in celebration. Bastard even rented out the Silver Moon not 3 miles from where my parents live.
MadisonConservative on February 13, 2008 at 12:02 AM
They havent attack us here because we took the war over there to them. They have attacked us there or do you not pay attention to the news ?
And what of your facts ? You havent offered any heathcare plan only “hope” you havent offered any new jobs only “Change”. I dont expect the American people to wait in line for jobs and healthcare based on your hopes and wating for “changes” to happen. Promises dont make a better America only hard work and leadership. America needs a leader not a talker.
William Amos on February 13, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Barack Hussein Obama – All talk and no action.
faraway on February 13, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Steele? Can we put this guy to rest already? I think we would lose more African Americans by putting him on the ticket. And it would look just as forced as Allan Keyes’s exodus to Illinois. Besides Steele is part of the problem not the solution.
LevStrauss on February 13, 2008 at 12:05 AM
As I remember it Keyes came from MD as well. Yeah let’s put another MD Republican against Obama. What did I say earlier about Hair of the Dog?
LevStrauss on February 13, 2008 at 12:10 AM
So you claim. In the process we have lost prominence and standing in the world and we have spent a huge amount of our national treasure in both citizens and dollars.
We’ve made our point, Senator. It’s time to wind down and come back to our soil and a more homeland defense posture, and to engage in a more civilized and diplomatic process.
Clearly, Sneator, you haven’t visited my campaign website where I have laid out a healthcare plan — among other poisitions.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/#coverage-for-all
eanax on February 13, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Obama has some specifics to his change. He wants to nearly double the capital gains tax (from 15% to 28%), revive the death tax at 55%, tax dividends at the higher marginal tax income rate, and increase the highest income tax rate to 39.5%. Look at all the specific changes he offer! Che would be proud.
phronesis on February 13, 2008 at 12:17 AM
So we payed the cost and you want to cash it in now ? So your change isnt about making things better for America buy winning elections ? We bled rto free the Iraqi people and you want to sell them to slavery because you lack the leadership to fight against a foe who murders even its own people ? Why should we adandon the Iraqi people to give you your change ?
And I read your health plan. Its as empty as your rhetoric. America needs a leader that can make hard choices on healthcare rather than one who makes empty promises. Leadership is about offering plans that can work not about making promises that cant. Hope doesnt fix healthcare and change doesnt make healthcare more affordible. I my plan we address the problems that our healthcare faces not glosses them over with empty promises.
William Amos on February 13, 2008 at 12:25 AM
bnelson44
A WSJ opinion piece by Peggy Noonan where she asks the question, can the Clintons accept defeat, and just quietly go away.
While attempting to find that article again, memory is failing, Google returned numerous web documents suggesting they will not quietly go away.
It’s an open question, if they lose, will Hillary give up and accept Senator for life? Will that be enough for her?
If not, how far are they willing to go to regain the office of president?
rockhauler on February 13, 2008 at 12:25 AM
We are in BIG trouble if this clown makes it.
No Substance, no record, no accomplishment, no hope
Kini on February 13, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Cute, Senator, but I wouldn’t be cashing in; the American people would. They’ve paid a high enough cost already and it’s time for the Iraqi people to begin to bare those costs on their own.
My health care plan, Senator, covers everyone and it’s portable and it offers choice. Because it’s spread across the whole of the American populace we can keep the cost down and we can use the bargaining power of the federal government to negotiate and keep drug and medical equipment costs down. Your plan, Senator, is more of the same ‘free market’ offerings that leave 40 million Americans uninsured not mention the millions of others that are under-insured.
eanax on February 13, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Surrender isnt hope but is is change so I guess you should get your way on that. The Iraqi people have stood up they voted and elected their very first government. And they in turned asked us to stay and keep them safe. Again you seem to want to take hope away from other people to give hope of been elected for yourself. Leaderhip is doing what is best for America not what is best for Obama.
And again you dont offer hope with healthcare only mo rewelfare. You seem to care about 12 million who dont have insurance but care very little about the working people who do. You want to take money that they worked for depriving them of health care to give to those that dont. The Prsident has to care for all americans not just those who belong to a specific group.
And you want to use the power of the federal government to force people to join your plan and chose their health care. I see your change is all about making the American people live the way you want them to live rather than allowing them to make their own choices. You decry the freemarket because it is “Free” from the changes you want to impose on America
William Amos on February 13, 2008 at 1:01 AM
Thus spake Obamathustra:
“I have no accomplishments, which also means I have no detriments!
I stand for nothing but Moving!
I am the candidate of Hope, because I Hope you’ll buy my emptiness as a sign of Openness.
I am here. You are there. We are Together.
What more could we want but to head Forward?
In Unity. With Determination.
How could they stop us?
They don’t know where we’re going.
And neither do I!
So, come on this Shining Path with me!
I’ll smile. You’ll smile.
We’ll Gitmo out of life!
Amen.”
profitsbeard on February 13, 2008 at 1:04 AM
And are you going to pay for that before or after you shore up the $45 trillion shortfall in Medicare and Social Security the last 2 times you clowns experimented with “universal coverage” with our money?
Chuck Schick on February 13, 2008 at 1:19 AM
Oh and earwax-
This is the first fiscal year completely managed by a Democrat Congress. Not coincidentally, the deficit is projected to nearly TRIPLE this year to the biggest deficit on record. And the year isn’t even half done.
Will that get balanced before or after you get everyone free health care?
Chuck Schick on February 13, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Whoa, wait a sec here…
Williw A and I are playing Devel’s Advocate — role playing debate…
eanax on February 13, 2008 at 1:25 AM
No one said surrender, Senator, except you putting words in my mouth. You are known to twist others’ words, and I want to thank you for offering a fine example for the whole of the American public to see.
Now, yes, the Iraqi people stood up and voted and elected their first government. But this is really nothing new; they are familiar with starting new civilizations like was done before between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. They are ready to stand on their own. They are ready to make mistakes, just as we have here in America over the past several years during this current Administration. And yes, the Iraqi people have hope; hope that we will allow them to make their own decisions just as we do here in America.
Offering health care to those that can’t afford it is hope, Senator. My plan will cover those who don’t currently have health care thus minimizing the exorbitant costs associated with the uninsured going to Emergency Rooms for routine checkups and exams. As President, I will be caring for all Americans by making sure they have coverage for their health care needs; not discarding them because an insurance adjuster says, “sorry, too much risk.”
My plan will reform current private insurance offerings. I’m not forcing anyone to sign up. However, I am offering everyone 100% eligibility. It is not unlike the current plan that both you and I enjoy, Senator. Is the plan good enough for you and not the great people of Arizona as well as the rest of America?
eanax on February 13, 2008 at 1:27 AM
Question still stands. I wish someone would actually ask it at a debate.
Chuck Schick on February 13, 2008 at 1:30 AM
I have always thought he was weak. He keeps giving the same speech, about exactly nothing! I think that when he has to face McCain, he will fold up. When anyone asks a substantive question, he stumbles. He’s great as a preacher–candidate, not so much. McCain can be quite as eloquent and quick on his feet, plus he’s a skilled debater. He will make mincemeat of him.
PattyJ on February 13, 2008 at 1:31 AM
Willie A…
What I think McCain has to be conscious of is not getting torked off. If Obama can get under his skin, McCain’s reaction could do himself in. So he’s gonna have to watch what he says and how he says it…
Have a good night…
eanax on February 13, 2008 at 1:34 AM
The “Uniter” does nothing but talk about the divisions in the country and how he’s going to side with the little man. Nothing about loosening taxes and restrictions on businesses and corporations so that they can keep jobs in this country for the regular folks. You know like all sides working to a common goal: a strong American economy that takes care of it’s own. That would be unity talk I could buy into. The Barak Star is perfect for a generation raised on MTV who haven’t learned to think beyond the rhetoric.
Mallard T. Drake on February 13, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Chelsea ‘16
tommylotto on February 13, 2008 at 2:01 AM
The Obama fanatics are wanting change at any price.
They may find that the price is very high indeed.
quax1 on February 13, 2008 at 2:34 AM
Gunsbread and butter!soundingboard on February 13, 2008 at 2:38 AM
Time to update Reagan’s 1984 Bear in the Woods. spot.
soundingboard on February 13, 2008 at 2:43 AM
I bet he’s glad he was born an American *now*. He might even begrudgingly keep an American flag in the Oval Office if he wins, in the bottom drawer of the desk, in the anteroom, only because he kinda has to take an oath to protect it or what it stands for or something.
And he will make sure we only lose the right wars, not the wrong ones that Bush made.
Neo on February 13, 2008 at 2:55 AM
If you actually listen to him he isn’t even saying anything, especially in the first half. Talk about empty rhetoric. And the crowds cheering. Do they even have a clue what they are cheering? Darn scary!
Conservatives R Us on February 13, 2008 at 3:38 AM
“Change” – those coins left jangling in your pocket after departing with your dollars.
Shy Guy on February 13, 2008 at 3:47 AM
Not much, if any, “twisting” needed as when asked if it would be OK to keep U.S troops in Iraq for fifty years, McVano said, “Make it a hundred!”. Big mistake! I knew it was just a matter of time before the dims picked up the dropped ball.
There are four “ifs” there, counting explicit and implicit “ifs”. As my mom used to say, “And if you had wings, you could fly”.
But Iraq is not comparable to South Korea and Japan. South Korea and Japan did not have Islamo Shiites and Islamo Sunnis fighting to determine whether Mohammed’s rightful successor was Umar or Ali. Niether did they have Islamic law (often known as Shiria law) enshrined in their constitutions.
Juan Plantation McVano will be in very deep doo-doo indeed if he keeps on sticking his foot in his boca.
MB4 on February 13, 2008 at 5:09 AM
One more reason that
Huckabee/Thompson will defeat Obama/Edwards
ITookTheRedPill on February 13, 2008 at 5:35 AM
People are calling it way to soon for Obama. It’s not Clinton’s weaknesses, but his own, that could yet bring him down. Foremost, when he starts realizing he could really win this thing, and it dawns on him that he’s in fact no way ready to be POTUS. And I suspect his inner drive isn’t all people now seem to think it is. Watch for cracks in the mojo soon…
Halley on February 13, 2008 at 5:44 AM
Question: Has anyone ever had less experience and been elected president?
Rod on February 13, 2008 at 6:27 AM
It is scary, isn’t it. It’s like the fairy tale, “The Emperor’s New Clothes.”
Rod on February 13, 2008 at 6:33 AM
It’s going to be interesting when Obama’s honeymoon period with the media and the public is over, and people start to get a sense about who this guy really is: an angry black man who wants to use government to even the score. In his book, he writes about the anger he felt as a youth when he realized The White Man owns everything, The White Man controls everything, the White Man spits in his face. (This from a guy who went to private school, then Harvard Law, who lives in a multimillion dollar home, and has one of the cushiest jobs in the world as a U.S. Senator — how mistreated he’s been by The White Man in this horrible, racist country!). Nobody who knows what this guy is about should have been surprised to see that Che flag in one of his campaign offices (although Obama himself would not have authorized it — he’s too canny for that). It’s all about the little (brown) people’s struggle against The (White) Man. Obama’s “change” will mean lots more affirmative action and entitlement programs for minorities (hey, why judge people on merit or ability when skin color matters so much more — celebrate diversity!). His “change” will also include bringing all those poor “undocumented Americans” out of the “shadows” and into full participation in all his new government entitlement programs.
It’s “change” all right, people. Change that will destroy us.
AZCoyote on February 13, 2008 at 7:06 AM
If Hillary’s been sitting on any compromising photos of Obama, it’s now or never.
Dudley Smith on February 13, 2008 at 7:17 AM
You are able to divine all that from his speech. You do know that his mother is white don’t you. Have you read his book? Does he explicitly say “the white man spit in my face”?
Hysteria is never very convincing.
Bradky on February 13, 2008 at 7:21 AM
As Rush said yesterday: Obama may will the primaries, but Hillary will get the nomination.
NEVER underestimate the power-seeking abilities of the Clintonista.
The question is: Are the Clintons willing to destroy the Democratic Party for the sake of getting the nomination. . . Of course they are
seanrobins on February 13, 2008 at 7:38 AM
His comments are from his book, not his speech, as I said in the post. And yes, I am aware that his mother is white. When Obama’s mother married her second husband and moved back to Indonesia, Obama chose to stay in Hawaii and live with his mother’s parents. He was 10 at the time. The spitting comment is his, not mine. It seems that you’re the one who hasn’t read his book.
Ignorance is not very convincing either.
AZCoyote on February 13, 2008 at 8:07 AM
From Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance:
“We were always playing on the white man’s court … by the white man’s rules,” he writes. “If the principal, or the coach, or a teacher … wanted to spit in your face, he could, because he had the power and you didn’t. … The only thing you could choose was withdrawal into a smaller and smaller coil of rage. And the final irony: should you refuse this defeat and lash out at your captors … they would have a name for that too. Paranoid. Militant.”
AZCoyote on February 13, 2008 at 8:15 AM
Dear Senator Obama,
I will end the “mindset that got us into war” when our enemies stop hijacking planes flown by the company my wife works for and flying them into buildings and when the most thuggish of their counterparts stop dancing and cheering in the streets over real-time news coverage of the devastation.
Thank you.
Captain Scarlet on February 13, 2008 at 8:38 AM
I agree 100% although I’m not sure it will matter. Depends on how much of the electorate will go beyond the Hope Hype and Change Trance and hear what he has to say on the issues. Of course that will be McCains job to tell them about it.
This is good though because McCain can simply draw out the differences without demonizing him (imo that would be shooting yourself in the foot, Obama’s too likeable and it would have certain black leaders crying racist)
Dash on February 13, 2008 at 8:43 AM
Where’s TOPV and the rest to tell us how 4 years of socialist cult-of-personality will be much better for the country than McCain?
funky chicken on February 13, 2008 at 8:46 AM
AZ Coyote. Another “change” I would expect from Obama would happen in Forsyth County, Georgia (north of Atlanta).
From PBS’s website, so I’m shocked by the grammatical illiteracy:
funky chicken on February 13, 2008 at 8:54 AM
Dude, we’re in Cuba too 110 years after the Spanish-American war.
McCain’s 100 years is a conservative estimate.
gabriel sutherland on February 13, 2008 at 9:05 AM
TKO
Jaibones on February 13, 2008 at 9:10 AM
funky chicken on February 13, 2008 at 9:12 AM
Unfortunately, so far, no one in my immediate circle is actually listening. My roommate just sits there enraptured at the prospect of President Obama, even as Obama spews all this craven lefty rhetoric. Higher taxes? Great! Socialized healthcare? Awesome! Whatever it takes!
I hate to be a defeatist, but it really does seem that America’s sell-by date is getting closer, and that’s terrible. The world will miss it more than it imagines.
Kensington on February 13, 2008 at 9:17 AM
Kensington, that is great stuff. Are you a college student? If so, the kids are all right after all.
funky chicken on February 13, 2008 at 9:21 AM
Heard him say that Exxon isn’t going to give up its profits easily. Why the heck should they give them up at all? These people know nothing of the market, or of capitalism. He’s a Leninist, plain and simple.
jdawg on February 13, 2008 at 9:27 AM
The Me generation is now the We Generation…. dangerous stuff….
max1 on February 13, 2008 at 9:28 AM
No, fucky chicken, I just live in New York and can’t afford 4-figure rent without a roommate. Thanks, regardless.
Kensington on February 13, 2008 at 9:38 AM
Rational Thought on February 12, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Had pretty much the same reaction here. I’ve always said I would never vote for McCain, but after listening to Obama, I may change my mind. He is even worse than Hillary.
jdawg on February 13, 2008 at 9:42 AM
Hey, here’s some good election news. Bryan and Allah might want to feature some of that sometimes too.
Kensington, ah OK.
funky chicken on February 13, 2008 at 9:43 AM
McCain’s Senatorial experience vs Obama’s naivity is not a particularly good thing. McCain will use his across the aisle good old boy relationships and GOP support to further sly agendas. Everyone knows Obama is a dreamer and his campaign promises won’t have the same traction. Does anyone really think the donks want to take responsibility for an abrupt withdrwal from Iraq, allowing Iran to nuke Israel, or even a terorist driven WMD attack in the U.S.? They know what the political fallout would be.
I still maintain McCain is the more dangerous of the two, because he is likely to be more effective. He is a much better politician than is Obama, who is just a rabble rouser. Political self survival instincts are going to put a damper on much of Obama’s implied changes. He can still do damage, but this isn’t as all or nothing as some here are describing.
a capella on February 13, 2008 at 9:51 AM
much s/b many
a capella on February 13, 2008 at 9:56 AM
I admit I was toying with the idea of ‘letting the baby have its bottle’ and voting for Hillary over McCain in the general election, but if it comes down to Obama/McCain, even I am not going to attempt that dangerous experiment. I will weld my nose shut and vote McCain.
Seriously, if his latest words don’t appall you, look at his wife for a clue as to the welt of seething negro rage beneath the veneer.
In the name of ‘white preening vanity’, a great many guilty liberal types are going to unwittingly shatter this nation.
LimeyGeek on February 13, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Let the buyer beware.
http://www.creators.com/opinion/terence-jeffrey.html
a capella on February 13, 2008 at 10:26 AM
Let’s play with a scenario for a moment.
POTUS proposes this:
I’ve talked to Barack a lot about his Patriot Corporation Act, which is not trade per se, but it’s certainly part of the economic package around globalization.
Conservative Republican congressmen mount a resistance. Unfortunately they are the minority party in congress, so they have to get votes from conservative and moderate democrats.
Will they be able to attract moderate democrats’ opposition to a Dem POTUS or a GOP POTUS more easily? Think about the pressure the dem caucus will exert on its members. Is the dem leadership going to permit their folks to join the GOP opposition if there is a dem POTUS?
Oh, and McCain ain’t gonna propose a “patriot company act” anyway, but Obama is a cosponsor on the one that is already there.
funky chicken on February 13, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Guess I miss your point. Seems to me the same pressure exists with McCain as president, and the shamnesty bill comes up again, or a 50 cent tax on gasoline to fund global warning initiatives is proposed by him. Conservative principles are going to be screwed, whichever way it goes, because there is just not enough firepower to be effective. I hold the faint hope that Obama’s ideas will be seen for what they are; I’m inclined to suspect McCain’s will not be, because he is Republican.
a capella on February 13, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Obama has some specifics to his change. He wants to nearly double the capital gains tax (from 15% to 28%), revive the death tax at 55%, tax dividends at the higher marginal tax income rate, and increase the highest income tax rate to 39.5%. Look at all the specific changes he offer! Che would be proud.
phronesis on February 13, 2008 at 12:17 AM
let me bold that for you so all the purists who say they will sit this one out can understand.
windansea on February 13, 2008 at 11:05 AM
His remark last night about Exxon not giving up thier profits easily should have everyone on edge. I’m surprised no one’s mentioning it. He’s up there with Hitlery wanting to take profits from successful businesses. Elect Obama, get socialism. Elect McCain, lose soverienty. Either way, we’re skrood.
jdawg on February 13, 2008 at 11:36 AM
McCain will make mincemeat out of Obama.
drjohn on February 13, 2008 at 11:54 AM
It’s looking like the key to Obama is to paint him as a Clintonian triangulator, which increasingly seems the case anyway. Disappointing. Ending “mindsets?” What mindset is that, Mr. Obama? The desire to protect your country?
*sigh*
The next four years are going to suck. Thanks RNC establishment for putting this rabid socialist (eh, Bolshevik) in power.
spmat on February 13, 2008 at 12:44 PM
And Obama will tell grocery stores where they can and cannot open a store.
Obama Tells Store to Open in Underserved Community
What the hell is “underserved”?
PattyJ on February 13, 2008 at 12:59 PM
It’s easy to get the dim-wits in Madison riled up. It’s obvious Obama should be President because of his positions on …um…on….. What are his positions? Oh ya, he’s inspiring and …….um….um…… So tell me, what does a professional candidate do when there is nothing else to run for?
oakpack on February 13, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Considering that you made up three comments out of whole cloth from his book and the stupid claim that he is racist against himself I’d say your ignorance is a veritable beacon of light.
Bradky on February 13, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Get some reading comprehension
Bradky on February 13, 2008 at 6:38 PM
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