Coveted Mary Katharine Ham vote goes to … Hillary Clinton?
posted at 5:55 pm on February 12, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Maybe too smart.
MayBee on February 12, 2008 at 5:58 PM
God, I love her.
MadisonConservative on February 12, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Did the same in VA.
muyoso on February 12, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Brilliant!
Vizzini on February 12, 2008 at 6:00 PM
I just don’t know if I can bring myself to do it. I’m voting in WA State, and I think I might just vote for Mitt.
How about MKH for president???
Eclectic on February 12, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Cool…I negated her vote since I crossed over to and dirtied myself to vote for Obama!!!!
Hey if we are going to be a socialist nation (DEMS) or lose our sovereignty(REPS), may as well side with the candidate that is gonna give the welfare to US citizens before ungrateful Mexican politicians. Let them have the scraps.
TOPV on February 12, 2008 at 6:02 PM
@ Eclectic on February 12, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Do it, there are no negatives to voting for her. No matter what happens if she is the nominee, it is good for the republican party. She loses, we get the presidency, she wins, we win back congress in 2 years.
muyoso on February 12, 2008 at 6:03 PM
I can understand the strategy here, but somehow I just can’t bring myself to it. A vote really is a sacred right. I’m still sticking to my pledge to write-in Duncan Hunter. I have to use my primary vote to vote for the conservative cause, otherwise I lose all hope at primaries actually, one-day making a difference in the direction of the country. I’ve got to get active in moving the Texas primary up – I really think this country needs to hear our voices sooner before all the good candidates give up.
pecan pie on February 12, 2008 at 6:05 PM
That’s the Hammer – a crafty thinker. The more of a dogfight this becomes for the Dems the better.
I’m still wondering if we’re not overestimating Obama a little – his vacuity and dubious connections both in Chicago and Kenya will be badly exposed once the real race gets going.
Pax americana on February 12, 2008 at 6:05 PM
McCain-Reed-DeWine-Lieberman gun show bill-S.1807
Might help to explain that.
Deety on February 12, 2008 at 6:07 PM
That seems reasonable. Or completely unbalanced.
Vizzini on February 12, 2008 at 6:07 PM
New McCain slogan: “A vote for Hillary is a vote for Huckabee!”
calbear on February 12, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Did the same. Trying to get all my friends to as well. Funny thing is, even though they understand the stakes, my mom just wont do it and my dad couldnt bring himself to ask for a Democratic ballot.
I even paused before touching the touch screen. It was tough.
American-Infidels.com on February 12, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Ahhh, somehow I had missed that McCain transgression. Thanks for the heads up.
marykatharine on February 12, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Exactly. It’s about the last place I’d expect him to show his face.
Shay on February 12, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Not your fault marykatherine, there’s an awful lot to keep track of.
Deety on February 12, 2008 at 6:12 PM
You know, this shtick gets old after awhile.
I’m no McCain fan. But it’s probably time to get over ourselves and grow up a bit. You can’t always get what you want.
I would never vote for, or advocate that anyone ever vote for a Clinton. Even in a primary. Never.
McCain, my friends, is our nominee…and I hate it, but I’ll vote for him.
Suck.It.Up.
Dorvillian on February 12, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Wow, how utterly screwed are we if we have to vote for Hillary to ensure their nominee loathed so much by our base that they turn out to vote for our less-loathed (but loathed nonetheless) nominee?
Most.
Uninspiring.
Election.
Ever.
(Also, how many times can I used the word ‘loathed’ in a single sentence?)
thirteen28 on February 12, 2008 at 6:16 PM
That’s hot.
Jaibones on February 12, 2008 at 6:17 PM
I’m not a McCain hater. I’ve already sucked it up and made that clear enough on the blog. I think he’s good on the war and fair on spending, which is what matters to me. I just thought my vote was more useful in the long run if I went the other way. It’s not a vote to spite McCain.
marykatharine on February 12, 2008 at 6:18 PM
But of course.
Uh, the point is to get Clinton as the Dem nominee to pose the best chance for a McCain win in November. Or am I misreading your comment?
amerpundit on February 12, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Where’s the love for the land of ice cream and frozen beer, AP? We’ve got a wide-open primary here in Wisconsin. I know, you’re just going to quote that Obama 50-39 poll to me, but I’ll counter that polls tend to be juuuuuust a bit off here.
steveegg on February 12, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Somehow the thought of Mary Katharine doing something “dangerous.. and kind of dirty” has me all… you know… excited and such…..
Anyway, smart political move by one smart lady.
Always Right on February 12, 2008 at 6:24 PM
I wish I could say I am all the way where you are, but I’m not. I merely see Obama as an unmitigated, uncontrollable, 8-year disaster for the country, while we might be able to oust Clinton in 4.
steveegg on February 12, 2008 at 6:24 PM
From Rasmussen:
Not a good omen.
Pax americana on February 12, 2008 at 6:26 PM
I’d burst into flames. My pop would rise outta Forest Lawn and Marley me to the end of my days. Sorry…..It’ll be the R ballot for me.
Limerick on February 12, 2008 at 6:26 PM
I know Obama is looking strong, but I’m not convinced it would be better to run against Hillary. Obama has his weaknesses too, and don’t underestimate the immortality of the Clinton machine. Also, observe the speed at which all the Dems currently supporting Obama would forget all that and run to Hillary’s camp. It just happened on the Republican side, it will happen with whoever the Dems narrow it down to also.
pecan pie on February 12, 2008 at 6:30 PM
Obama is the farthest left candidate in the field, leaving the majority of the country to his right. Alot of Hillary supporters might swing to McCain. Am I wrong?
pecan pie on February 12, 2008 at 6:33 PM
I disagree with MKH!!!!
My conniving, strategic vote goes for O
prahbama. If we’re playing identity politics (and that’s all there is on the left) I would rather have B. Hussein than SHrill.See? I’m not racist. I’m sexist, but not raaaaacist!
urbancenturion on February 12, 2008 at 6:33 PM
Yes, that’s it! It’s about the usefulness of your vote and the larger purpose that it serves. Problem is, many conservatives believe Obama is the weaker candidate. If we apply your strategy, but to Obama, then those votes may cancel out the votes for Hillary. And are we certain Huck doesn’t stand a chance in Virginia…?
Neither candidate benefits under this scenario. But wait… what about Huck? Doesn’t a conservative vote for Hillary or Obama end up helping Huckabee if those votes otherwise would’ve gone by-and-large to McCain?
CliffHanger on February 12, 2008 at 6:35 PM
YUCK, I’M A DEMOCRAT! Just changed my party registration to D so I can vote against B. Hussein Obama.
I’ve only been a dem for a few minutes and I have this strange desire to surrender and a sudden feeling like I’m entitled to other people’s hard-earned money.
gash on February 12, 2008 at 6:36 PM
This web page could be a scam. Proceed with caution.
whitetop on February 12, 2008 at 6:37 PM
I thought we warned you to leave the sabotaging to those of us who don’t actually have to say we’re ‘Rats.
steveegg on February 12, 2008 at 6:44 PM
I agree MayBee.
I’m not so sure I buy into the fear of facing Obama. Sure, he’s riding one hell of a wave, but waves eventually crash into the shore.
What’s the guy stand for? Noone seems to know his positions on any number of issues, and for the life of me I just can’t understand how he has eluded the Hillary campaign on this. They must really be inept.
When pressed for details and specifics of his positions, I think Obama will be shown to be the empty suit he is. Folks don’t want to hear they’re going to pay more taxes to fund all of the feel good crap he espouses.
In contrast, Hillary will most certainly move to the center if nominated. She’ll have learned that from Bill. I may be wrong, but I think she’ll be a much more formidable candidate for John Boy to face.
BacaDog on February 12, 2008 at 6:50 PM
I, too, shall vote for Hillary before I vote against her.
Blacklake on February 12, 2008 at 6:57 PM
So much for the grand plan.
steveegg on February 12, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Anybody that votes like that is engaging in mischief.
Per the big boss:
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/11/kos-advocates-election-mischief-in-michigan/
mycowardice on February 12, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Anyone know if Texas has an open Primary?
Vigilante on February 12, 2008 at 7:04 PM
Good plan. Nominate her. Then destroy her.
mattyj86 on February 12, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Really impressed with McCains outreach to conservatives……….not.
Gun show aside, where has he been?
ctmom on February 12, 2008 at 7:06 PM
No thank you, at least not yet.
Esthier on February 12, 2008 at 7:09 PM
It’s not mischief at all. Mischief implies you are doing it to have some fun, that you are playfully trying to cause annoyance. When you crossover to actually help block the most liberal Senator in the country who happens to be a deity to most of the media (especially Chris Matthews who can’t get out of Obama’s tush) – it’s not mischief, it’s dead serious.
gash on February 12, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Imagine, a “conservative” dissing gun shows…
right2bright on February 12, 2008 at 7:16 PM
Voting for Hillary in the primary, that’s a good thing.
In the general election, no. Not even as a protest vote against McCain. Or should I say, ESPECIALLY as a protest vote against McCain.
Vyce on February 12, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Yes Texas is open, anyone vote in the GOP or DEM primary. Actually, what is weird is, the election is held in different rooms so hypothetically you could vote in both primaries. It’s illegal and they could try and do something after the election, but there are no safeguards built in to prevent it. I know, I am an election judge. If you are a GOP activist, there is no circumstance where you would vote for a DEM because the vote declares your party. If you want to go to the State or National convention, you cannot if you vote in the DEM primary.
Dhornertx on February 12, 2008 at 7:19 PM
You know, I just might do it.
I was going to write in Fred! as a conscience choice, but helping Hillary could help McCain (vomits because I just said that).
SimplyKimberly on February 12, 2008 at 7:21 PM
Hmmmmmmm, very interesting stategy Mary Katherine. I do think it’s better than not voting or writing in a candidate, but I’m still not sure about this. Yes, very calculating indeed.
Conservatives R Us on February 12, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Thanks for the info. I just might have to get drunk and vote for the Hillderbeast. That way there is a chance I wouldn’t remember.
Vigilante on February 12, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Technically Texas has a closed primary, but you can declare yourself when you vote so it is essentially open.
SimplyKimberly on February 12, 2008 at 7:33 PM
Yeah, just as I thought. Too smart.
McCain is having trouble pulling this one out, and Obama mopped the floor with Hillary and her 1 MHK vote.
Please, Ohioans and Texans. Don’t be this kind of smart.
MayBee on February 12, 2008 at 7:38 PM
At least voting for Shrillary lets the base of the party know that liberalism is not going to set a precedent. It is a vote of objection and not selling out your core beliefs. McCain gets in and liberalism has a definite foothold in our party. There is no difference between McCain and Shrillary.
volsense on February 12, 2008 at 7:50 PM
This is not smart unless you want Hillary to win. The female vote is more powerful than the black vote which is easily cancelled out by the racist vote. Anyone thinking it will be easier for McCain vs Hillary is delusional. An Obama nomination will get millions to vote against him in mass.
Poptech on February 12, 2008 at 7:59 PM
If Hillary and McCain loose what is Hannity/Rush and Ingraham going to complain about. I can hear it now, “I told you Obama was a liberal” oops to late.
KBird on February 12, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Dude.
rivlax on February 12, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Does anyone disagree that potential Hillary supporters are more likely to vote McCain than Obama’s? Not only the political likeness but the age gap of Hillary supporters are more in tune with McCains than Obamas. It just seems to me, and no one has argued otherwise yet, that taking down Hillary opens up more of the political spectrum to McCain. If we can just keep him from moving left into that territory, then we have ourselves a candidate, an an opponent (Obama) that a majority of the country would not identify with. I know the race thing is a factor though, and it does concern me that we’d be running against Obama’s race and not his ideas (or lack thereof). That definitely poses a problem. But all things considered, and I think this primary season showed this, people run to what they know. And they know Hillary. The Dems will get behind her if she’s the nominee. Better to face Obama in my view. Someone please take the other side of this argument and show me where I’m wrong.
pecan pie on February 12, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Ah yes. Someone agree with me.
pecan pie on February 12, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Obama’s support is from some 98% Blacks, College Kids, 60s left overs still fighting civil rights and liberal idealogues. When you actually talk to the rest of the Dem voters you find them backing Edwards and Clinton. Clinton mainly gets women, feminist voters and whipped men. With Edwards out his male white voters will go to McCain. Obama will drive the race voters out against him in mass. Anyone who lives outside a major city knows exactly what I am talking about. People have not idea how racist this country is, maybe they do but are in denial. And there are many more racists then anti-Hillary voters.
Poptech on February 12, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Is this somehow in reference to her gunshow comment? I’m thinking of picking up an XD45 soon. If Miss Ham like to help send some rounds downrange to break it in, I’m game.
But back to that Hillary vote. I agree with the strategy, but I’d have to be on a 72 hour psych watch after casting that vote. And I may be adjudicated mentally unstable and not be able to pick up that XD45 after all. :-(
MoCoM on February 12, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Mary, after all that, i bet you need a hug..
>:}
Take a few showers first. ;)
Just sayin’ you did vote for hillary..
Chakra Hammer on February 12, 2008 at 9:00 PM
I think if you go read Michelle’s post you will see she doesn’t condone the practice. At least that’s the impression I got. DKos were also trying to do this to their advantage. Maybe Brian and Allahpundit could chime in on this method of interference…
mycowardice on February 12, 2008 at 9:25 PM
A strategic vote for someone you don’t support and who doesn’t support you is a vote against yourself. I won’t do it. Thankfully I was able to vote for someone I supported in the primary. I am not about to vote for someone I don’t support in the general.
Tim Pancoast on February 12, 2008 at 9:27 PM
I’ve deleted the offending comment and apologize for the offense.
Do I need to remind you guys that her dad reads our site? Every time you make an off-color remark about her, he sees it. Have you no shame?
Allahpundit on February 12, 2008 at 10:35 PM
No. I think she is hot.
manfriend on February 12, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Except that if you make the decision yourself, and you’re executing the strategy with the purpose of producing a better outcome for yourself than you otherwise would expect to see (either in the long or short term), it is in fact, unequivocably, a vote in support of yourself. (That, incidentally, would be the meaning of the “strategic” bit…)
Blacklake on February 12, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Thanks to quotes the comment is still found in these posts AP.
rivlax on February 12, 2008 at 8:07 PM
MoCoM on February 12, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Bradky on February 12, 2008 at 11:44 PM
I love it, MKH is practising Psychological Warfare
on the Democrats,she’s sly as a fox,best part is
probably Libs don’t have a clue!Hehehe
canopfor on February 12, 2008 at 11:55 PM
AllahPundit,rivlax comments are out of line
and offencive,my daughter is a bit younger
and you made the right call!
canopfor on February 12, 2008 at 11:58 PM
I said “f it” today in VA and I didn’t vote for anyone.
I didn’t want to give my vote to McCain or Huckabee. A Romney protest vote would’ve just been a waste of my time. And I just couldn’t get over the disgusted feeling I had thinking about voting for Clinton… So, eff it.
krabbas on February 13, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Well thank you for that clear concise persuasive argument.
Now I trust McCain not to continue his assault on the First Amendment and set a precedent for removing Constitutional freedoms.
Whew, all I needed was being insulted, and talked to like I was a child; and now I believe that voting for damage to the Constitution is a good thing. Maybe we can even get open borders, terrorists in U.S. courts with whatever rights we have left, and a 50 cent gas tax. Hooray, now I’m enthused and motivated.
Or not. McCain, his Constitutional crisis, and his work for 7 years trying to dismantle the First Amendment are more dangerous than a Dem president. So, I may vote for Hillary myself; but I’ll wait until November to do that.
The lesser of two evils is “not the Republican candidate”… and that is a sad state of affairs. But I will suck it up and vote for the candidate who will do the least lasting damage to the country. Whoever the Dems nominate.
gekkobear on February 13, 2008 at 12:46 AM
First of all let me say kudos to MKH for posting here. Secondly I understand what she was trying to do but I couldn’t bring myself to it. I started sweating and my hand was shaking, I just couldn’t. So I “sucked it up” and scribbled for Johnny “Stockholm” McCain. I am not proud and still felt sick but I did it. This by far is the worst election I have delt with and I will hate myself when he passes his new Shamnesty bill.
HotAirExpert on February 13, 2008 at 2:23 AM
Libs don’t have a clue? How do you think McCain won NH, FL? They probably did it to us first. It’s we that are finally cluing in.
pecan pie on February 13, 2008 at 8:03 AM
Allahpundit on February 12, 2008 at 10:35 PM
For some reason I’m glad the original comment appeared, with the subsequent deletion and apology-by-proxy of course. Maybe cause it’s just so satisfying seeing nice women defended by nice men from cads. I guess it’s also a little cause now I know whose posts I can ignore with a clear conscience.
inviolet on February 13, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Unlike Dorvillian, I won’t “Suck.It.Up.” and settle for a liberal Republican. I am a CONSERVATIVE.
Rating the four active candidates from Conservative to Liberal:
Huckabee, then Hillary, then McCain, then Obama.
Nothing to be thrilled with, but some are worse than others.
tgillian on February 13, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Was attempting a silly segue for him to to back away from the comment. If I perpetuated the poor taste, my apologies to MKH and the management. Was not the intention.
MoCoM on February 13, 2008 at 11:02 PM
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