Huckabee challenges WA caucus results
posted at 8:00 am on February 11, 2008 by Bryan
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If you look at the CNN state results, it does look strange: With only a couple of percentage points separating McCain and Huckabee and only 87% counted, the state GOP stopped counting and declared McCain the winner (Ron Paul, by the way, finally broke 20%). The number of votes separating them is only about 240. But that’s caucus votes, not primary votes, meaning that an actual open vote would probably separate them by more than that 240.
In any case, Huckabee is challenging the result and calling for a full investigation of the goings on in Washington state.
Washington State Republican Party Chairman Luke Esser announced late Saturday that McCain had won the 2008 Republican caucuses in the state with 87.2 percent of precincts reporting. McCain had 25.5 percent over Huckabee’s 23.7 percent in that race.
Esser issued a statement congratulating McCain on a “hard-fought win,” and Huckabee on a “strong second-place finish.”
Ed Rollins, Huckabee campaign chairman, directly challenged Esser’s move, saying the count was incomplete because the other 12.8 percent of precincts could tip the scales since McCain was beating Huckabee by only a couple hundred votes.
“The chairman showed very bad judgment in stopping the voting last night when announcing John McCain had won, when there was less than a 200-vote margin between the two candidates,” Rollins told FOX News in an exclusive interview. “You never announce a vote, in my 40 years of politics, I have never know anybody to announce a vote count before the vote is counted.”
Rollins was quick to say that the campaign was not accusing the McCain camp of anything untoward, and the issue lies solely with Esser’s call. He added that campaign attorneys have attempted to contact Esser’s lawyers but had not yet received a return phone call.The final results came during the night after the race had been declared too close to call and Washington GOP election officials decided to call it a night. Esser said a final tally would not come until Monday.
Tucked into the bottom of that story is this little nugget.
A look at exit polling from Louisiana shows that McCain remains very unpopular among Republicans who consider themselves very conservative. Speaking to “FOX News Sunday,” President Bush said McCain may have to work harder.
There’s talk out there that putting Huckabee on the ticket with McCain will help shore up the conservative South for him. The problem is, if McCain needs Huckabee’s help in the South, his nomination is in big trouble. The South is the GOP’s base and bastion. And whatever help Huckabee gives McCain south of the Mason-Dixon might be offset by Huckabee’s lack of popularity north of it and out in the more libertarian West. We may end up with a ticket known more for where it’s weak than where it’s strong.
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Huckabee would be DISASTER on the national ticket. Karl Rove said it best on Super Tuesday night; putting him on the ticket just “doubles your trouble” with the base.
Only the loony MSM with its liberal agenda constantly tells us that Huck is a “conservative”. He is no more conservative than McCain. He is an evangelical new-age liberal.
Always Right on February 11, 2008 at 8:09 AM
It appears the Republican electorate has finally come to its senses.
Every vote for Huck is a little closer to the brokered convention where conservatives get to say “none of the above.”
To think that the instant Huck surge is because he is conservative or that putting him on the ticket would help McCain with conservatives is ludicrous.
Valiant on February 11, 2008 at 8:09 AM
UPDATE:
The state Republican party posted new numbers late Sunday afternoon, with 93 percent of the precincts reporting. The percentages didn’t change much, with McCain winning about 25 percent of the delegates, Huckabee 24 percent, Paul 21 percent, and Romney 17 percent.
http://wsrp.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=7042
bnelson44 on February 11, 2008 at 8:09 AM
An idle thought…
Isn’t it odd that Paul’s percentages are much better in caucused primaries than they are in those with popular votes? If it’s supposed to be a grassroots movement, I’d expect the opposite.
Anyway, I’m wondering if Esser knew that the caucuses in the other 13% were mostly going to McCain anyway and made a (imo bad) call to announce the vote.
I also noticed Huckabee started in again with the saying-but-not-saying accusations of bad faith, this time about Karl Rove (who said Huckabee has no chance of winning the election):
JohnTant on February 11, 2008 at 8:11 AM
Better Exit Question:
If Obama is the Democrat nominee, does McCain look for a black or minority to put on the ticket to counter the race issue, or does he go for more conventnional geographic considerations instead, picking someone from a contested state like Fla or Ohio or the upper Midwest??
Always Right on February 11, 2008 at 8:12 AM
Some more info:
Esser said their last county report on Saturday came shortly before 10:15 p.m., at which point they had 87.2 percent of precincts reporting. That’s when they did an analysis, saying: “Let’s take every county where Huckabee is beating McCain, and double the margin of victory,” Esser said. “And then take every county where McCain is winning and cut in half that margin of victory. Even if you assume that, Sen. McCain still holds on.
“That’s when we said we’re confident that Sen. McCain’s lead was going to hold up,” Esser said. “I would have done the same for Gov. Huckabee if he had the same margin and the same underlying dynamics as Sen. McCain.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004175292_webhuckabee10.html
bnelson44 on February 11, 2008 at 8:13 AM
People who attend caucuses tend to be more involved in politics than people who go to the polls and vote. So caucuses tend to attract more extremists.
bnelson44 on February 11, 2008 at 8:14 AM
I doubt this is true. Huck is doing well now in the South, because he is from the south and attracts evangelicals. But with him out of the picture, those people will have to vote for someone or sit home and let Obama or Hillary win (I don’t think they will do that).
bnelson44 on February 11, 2008 at 8:16 AM
Calling the election early was a low blow from the dem playbook.
Dirty dealings? Maybe. Hope for a huck win? Maybe.
Huckleberry is inspired like a dog with a bone. Mathematically he can’t win, so what’s the deal? Not the VP spot.
What I want to know is what happens to Romney’s delegates? Is that the preacher’s ace in the hole? Who can tell me….what happens to Romney’s delegates?
locomotivebreath1901 on February 11, 2008 at 8:25 AM
“Huckabee would be DISASTER on the national ticket. Karl Rove said it best on Super Tuesday night; putting him on the ticket just “doubles your trouble” with the base.” Always Right
Change your name, AW. You are so wrong.
Karl Rove also said that “Where Rush Limbaugh goes, conservatives go” on Tuesday night.
Karl Rove said that.
And you are a follower, AW, if you are putting your confidence in a suggestion of his…he’s sold out to McCAin…as is the rest of the pathetic GOP leadership.
You people around here have such a streak of distrust and vinictiveness running through you that yuou are too proud to admit that your trusted political pundit triumvirate has failed you miserably…and that we have had in this race all along a good, honest, loyal, extremely conservative, truly compassionate, level-headed, problem-solving, loyal GOP candidate.
Mike Huckabee.
Atheists and agnostics will be the death of the GOP…the ruin of America.Look what they’ve done on this blog …this blog that has sadly lost its vision in favor of an atheistic agenda.
You want to see what an atheistic-minded government would do in this country, just take a look at this blog and other atheistic governments around the world today.
The United Stated of America is great BECAUSE of its respect for God and God’s Law in the past.
Hate, injustice…that’s what atheism breeds.
Al-Ozarka on February 11, 2008 at 8:26 AM
Oh contrare, I believe they will. I think conservatives (and I am one but I CAN NOT STAND HUCK) have had enough.
Anyway, is Huck paying for the recount?
stenwin77 on February 11, 2008 at 8:28 AM
Karl Rove is the architect…you are his tools…his building material.
He is no leader.
Blind….leading blind…as the ship goes down, down, down.
Al-Ozarka on February 11, 2008 at 8:29 AM
“Anyway, is Huck paying for the recount?”
Wouldn’t have to if they had just COUNTED them in the first place, Right?
Al-Ozarka on February 11, 2008 at 8:30 AM
If any nominee chooses any minority representative as a running mate, in order to garner that minority’s votes, that would be an admission that said minority is different to other minorities – and from the rest of the nation. That is tribalism!
OldEnglish on February 11, 2008 at 8:30 AM
Uh, oh. I sense a 200+ comment religion thread coming on…
Slublog on February 11, 2008 at 8:32 AM
How do you do a recount when it was a caucus?
darkpixel on February 11, 2008 at 8:38 AM
This is just a stunt to keep Huck’s face in the news. He can’t afford paid face-time, so he has to manufacture reasons for the news to cover him. Washington will finish counting the ballots and it will be confirmed that McCain won it easily. Huck is wasting Washington’s time and money, and possibly ticking off McCain (not a good idea if Huck really is angling for a VP spot). He can’t win the nomination any more. I wish he’d just get out of the way so we can get on with reluctantly getting behind McCain. We need lots of time for that.
aero on February 11, 2008 at 8:40 AM
My mother is a delegate to the convention this year from Louisiana. She refused to vote for McCain or the Huckster, and ended up protest-voting for Ron Paul. And she’s not even a supporter of his; she thinks he’s nuts in fact. There’s a lot of dissatisfaction with McCain out there. It will almost certainly cost him the general election.
vonspringer on February 11, 2008 at 8:40 AM
Let’s see. Rush Limbaugh went to Mitt Romney. Mitt won the CPAC straw poll and continuously won the majority of conservative votes in the states.
He donated to McCain when it became apparent he’s the nominee.
You people around here have such a streak of distrust and vinictiveness running through you that yuou are too proud to admit that your trusted political pundit triumvirate has failed you miserably…and that we have had in this race all along a good, honest, loyal, extremely conservative, truly compassionate, level-headed, problem-solving, loyal GOP candidate.
Mike Huckabee.
Extreme conservatives support tuition breaks for illegals, pardoning more convicted criminals than three former governors combined, a smoking ban and tax raises? “honest”? He’s changed his position from saying opposition to McCain’s amnesty is driven partially by racism, to opposing the legislation.
Eh?
amerpundit on February 11, 2008 at 8:41 AM
If McCain chooses a minority runningmate, it wouldn’t be so much to garner that minority group’s votes as an attempt to deflect the inevitable accusations of racism that will come no matter how careful McCain is if he faces Obama. Any criticism of a black guy coming from the mouth of a white guy is automatically and skillfully spun into racism by black leaders and the media. A black runningmate might help blunt such accusations.
aero on February 11, 2008 at 8:44 AM
OK, settle down, please.
As an evangelical, I oppose Huck because
1) his goofy foreign-policy make-it-up-as-you-go-along statements
2) his bending the facts about his record
3) his record–raising taxes & sheltering illegal immigrants
Please don’t imply that all Huck opponents are atheists.
jgapinoy on February 11, 2008 at 8:46 AM
Just like the nutty lady who in yesterday’s post wrote that Hillary supporters are racist & Obama’s are sexist. You can’t win.
jgapinoy on February 11, 2008 at 8:49 AM
What are you babbling about? Rove did say that Huckabee would be “double trouble”, so how can you say that Always Right is wrong?
Buy Danish on February 11, 2008 at 9:10 AM
Just drop out, Huck! Same for you, Paul.
OneGyT on February 11, 2008 at 9:11 AM
I hate to shock you but not all born-again beliving evangelicals are buying Mr.Jimmy Swaggart for President. I have my Baptist creds – pure as the driven show. Huck may be a “Christian” but he ain’t NO CONSERVATIVE.
Anyone who gives illegal aliens preferencial treatment over the hard-working, tax-paying citizens of this country is no conservative. And neither is John McCain.
The problem is that we haven’t had a strong conservative candidate. Wake me up in 4 years, if we still have a country.
stenwin77 on February 11, 2008 at 9:14 AM
“Extreme conservatives support tuition breaks for illegals, pardoning more convicted criminals than three former governors combined, a smoking ban and tax raises? “honest”? He’s changed his position from saying opposition to McCain’s amnesty is driven partially by racism, to opposing the legislation.” AP
No…extreme conservative would say to a child who had no control over his/her circumstances and who showed promise…worked hard, “F*ck YOU, Spic!” An EXTREME conservative would make accusations against a TRUE conservative without exploring the intricacies of the politics and the circumstances involved. Huckabee has ALWAYS opposed the legislation!
As governor, einstein, Huckabee had no control over the borders…he was FORCED to work with what he had. As an honorable, compassionate, representative of the Reagan-inspired GOP.
You better think about how you represent yourself and your party, AP.
Humility ain’t so bad once you’ve admitted you’re wrong. Try it sometime.
Al-Ozarka on February 11, 2008 at 9:16 AM
“OK, settle down, please.
As an evangelical, I oppose Huck because
1) his goofy foreign-policy make-it-up-as-you-go-along statements
2) his bending the facts about his record
3) his record–raising taxes & sheltering illegal immigrants
Please don’t imply that all Huck opponents are atheists.
Never did. I accused this blog of having an atheistic agenda.
Al-Ozarka on February 11, 2008 at 9:18 AM
A REAL CONSERVATIVE AND A REAL CHRISTIAN WOULD SAY OBEY THE LAW !!!
stenwin77 on February 11, 2008 at 9:18 AM
“Just drop out, Huck! Same for you, Paul.”
Capitulating conservatives…how sad.
Al-Ozarka on February 11, 2008 at 9:19 AM
Are you really Funky Chicken or THE CHOSEN ONE that got banned and are now a new AKA?
Not many people here, or elsewhere, agree with your views. Huck is a used car salesman with a Bible.
stenwin77 on February 11, 2008 at 9:21 AM
What he did have control over was how to spend state money (tuition breaks…ahem) and how much rent to charge the Mexican consulate so that Tyson Foods could have cheap labor. No one “FORCED” him into taking action on those issues.
My, you are a feisty little poppet aren’t you? You aren’t doing your candidate any favors with your intemperate screeds.
Slublog on February 11, 2008 at 9:21 AM
I’m sure that will come as something of a surprise to Bryan, the author of this post.
Slublog on February 11, 2008 at 9:22 AM
Challenging Republicans and potentially changing the outcome of a primary that is meaningless because the whole process was circumvented and the pre-ordained dinosaur has already been determined……
Huck’s not going to make friends with the McCain zealots this way.
highhopes on February 11, 2008 at 9:25 AM
This question goes back to when it became clear the Hillary and Barry would be the Democratic front-runners. Basically, it confirmed my opinion that Democrats are idiots. In an election year where they could take a bum of the streets, give him a shave, put him in a suit and red tie and have him tell America that he’s the son of a West Tennesee $h!t farmer, and he’ll walk into the White House. But instead they try to make either the first minority or the first female President of the United States, and they do it with two of the most left-leaning candidates around. Now to actually answer your question. No chance do you run a minority or female in the VP slot. Not only do you look like the biggest Johnny-come-lately under the sun, but you deny Americans the chance to wrap themselves in the warm blanket of complacency, and pull that lever for a couple of old white guys.
Spc Steve on February 11, 2008 at 9:28 AM
LoL. Your post made my day.
The big bad Republican atheists and their insidious agenda.
I’m sure it was the atheists that made Huckabee give clemency to 1000 criminals.
Lehosh on February 11, 2008 at 9:33 AM
I didn’t get a chance to vote Saturday as I was cooking a Jambalaya for a charity event but most of my friends pulled the lever for Fred or Ron Paul.
No conservative that I know likes McCain. Sure I’ll pull the lever for him in November over Obamanation/Billary but I’m not to excited about it.
roux on February 11, 2008 at 9:34 AM
Wow, Wow, Wow
Some of you are off your rockers. To say Huck is as or more leberal that mack man is crazy.
I will take Huck over the Maverick any day of the week.
Mack is pissed a the party and if elected will tell us all to go kiss his ass.
if you don’t believe then you want fight for whats right. why don’t we all stop bitching that fred screwed us, newts not in and get behind Huck and beat Mcain. And then send him to the white house.
thats what i love about blogs, bitch bitch bitch. No answers, when your wrong bitch some more, then your wrong again, bitch some more. Is anyone doing anything to stop the mack. Huck is not Newt or Allen, but he sure in the hell is not Mcain.
kara26 on February 11, 2008 at 9:35 AM
by Stephen M. Bainbridge
At CPAC, Senator John McCain promised:
I intend to nominate judges who have proven themselves worthy of our trust that they take as their sole responsibility the enforcement of laws made by the people’s elected representatives, judges of the character and quality of Justices Roberts and Alito, judges who can be relied upon to respect the values of the people whose rights, laws and property they are sworn to defend.
This promise was absolutely critical if McCain was to win over conservatives.
To be sure, Presidents all too often break campaign promises. Remember George Bush 41’s “read my lips” pledge on taxes?
In the new media environment, however, it’s getting easier to hold a President’s feet to the fire. Remember George Bush 43’s aborted nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court?
Those of us who waged war against Miers succeeded in part because in the 2000 campaign Bush had explicitly promised to nominate justices in the mold of Scalia and Thomas. We demanded that Bush keep that promise and, as it became clear that Miers was made from a different mold, we kept up a steady drum beat of criticism. In the end, we won. Miers was forced to withdraw and Samuel Alito became the newest member of the Supreme Court.
If a President McCain were to nominate a David Souter clone, the right’s netroots would have a collective conniption fit that would make the Miers fight look like pattycake. We might not win, but we’d at least bleed McCain of enough political capital to give even Warren Rudman second thoughts.
All of which suggests that threats by conservative pundits like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter to take their ball and go home if McCain is the nominee make no sense (and I say this as someone who has made similar rumblings in the past). The next President likely will nominate 3-4 Supreme Court justices and 200 to 400 lower court judges. Given the astonishing longevity of Supreme Court justices, moreover, the next President’s Supreme Court picks easily could serve for two or more decades.
To consider the full implications of this prospect, consider just one of the names that appears on most short lists of prospective Democratic Supreme Court nominees: Harold Koh, dean of the Yale Law School. (YLS professor Kenji Yoshino reportedly quipped that he was hedged for 2008, because “either the Democrats will lose and Yale will keep Harold, or the Democrats will win and Yale will loan him to the country.”)
What would a Justice Koh’s jurisprudence look like? Jeffrey Rosen notes that Koh “has supported the idea that U.S. courts should expansively apply international legal precedents without the authorization of the president and Congress.” John McGinnis (.pdf) likewise observes that: “Harold Koh in fact would like to cabin American exceptionalism through the use of transnational materials to assure that American principles would cohere more with the rest of the world.” The increasing use of such precedents by the left wing of the Supreme Court, of course, has been a major irritant to conservatives.
Andrew McCarthy and Doug Kmiec have both raised concerns that a Justice Koh would handcuff the police and intelligence community by judicial fiat. A Law Blog reader quipped that, “other than that he’d be a sure vote for declaring Gitmo detainees have a constitutional right to Social Security benefits, I do not see the appeal.”
On a related point, consider his strong support for keeping military recruiters off the Yale campus.
funky chicken on February 11, 2008 at 9:39 AM
Extreme conservatives just HATE trans-fats. Ask Nurse Bloomberg. eyeroll
Huckabee on the ticket would not help McCain win the nation. Sanford (former governor of SC) would help with the South and conservatives all over the country.
funky chicken on February 11, 2008 at 9:40 AM
There can be no doubt but that Koh would be a liberal activist of a stripe we haven’t seen since Brennan and Marshall. There can be no doubt that he’ll be at or near the top of the list in an Obama or Clinton presidency.
With the CPAC promise on the record, anybody who thinks John McCain would nominate Koh or anybody remotely near him on the ideological spectrum is suffering from such an extreme case of McCain derangement syndrome that they’re beyond the help of even modern pharmapsychology.
Stephen Bainbridge is the William D Warren Professor at the UCLA School of Law and blogs at http://www.ProfessorBainbridge.com
funky chicken on February 11, 2008 at 9:41 AM
Huck is a shuck.
And a jive.
Keep Hope alive?
(One liar from there was enough.)
He’s Elmer Gantry with a bass guitar.
Wavin’ the Confederate flag, thumpin, his Bahbul, and lying to the suckers.
Great choice.
As opposed to this peach of a preacher:
Go McCain!
profitsbeard on February 11, 2008 at 9:43 AM
It is more than a bit odd that the count was stopped Saturday night, considering the math was hardly undoable Saturday night, but not nearly as doable as simply stating that the McCain lead was 240 votes. At that point, Huckabee would need to have outdone McCain by roughly 12.2 percentage points in the remaining districts.
With the fresh numbers linked to by bnelson44 (93.3% reporting, McCain up 25.4% to 23.8%), the inevitable sure seems like it’s inevitable. My back-of-the-spreadsheet estimate of McCain’s absolute lead has dropped slightly to roughly 228 votes, as Huckabee outdid McCain by only 1.3 percentage points in the “freshly”-reporting precincts. The remaining 6.7% of the precincts would have to come in very heavily for Huckabee (say, a Huck-over-McCain margin of 23.4 percentage points) for the upset to happen.
steveegg on February 11, 2008 at 9:43 AM
Al-Ozarka
Maybe you should show a little humility, you sound a lot like one of those closed minded pompouse types preaching about how good and great they are because they are saved.
Being an Athiest does not make one immoral. I am one, and I do whats right. Not because I am afraid of eternal punishment, nor because some book written 300 years after the death of Christ tells me what to do. I do whats right because it is right. My father taught me how to tell the diffenrece between good and evil, right and wrong.
In my opinion this board is pretty healthy. I did like it better when their were fewer accounts. The debates were pretty good and usually did not degrade into pompous hand wringing.
As far as Huck goes, he is not Christ, so take him off the pedastle. He is not even a Reagan Conservative. No one in this race is.
My advice to you is, settle down, quit tossing off posts like a guy with a sandwich board and clothed in sack cloth and ashes, and quit preaching to us “uneducated” masses. Your opinion of who is best in this race is no better and no worse then anyone elses.
Wyrd on February 11, 2008 at 9:44 AM
These are the little ego trips that politicians go on…and it ends up hurting the Republican ticket, gains nothing for Huck (he won’t be the candidate), and gives fodder to the competition.
Nothing good comes from this, except Huck gets his little ego stroked…he should sit down…not going your way in an election Huck, well WWJD?
right2bright on February 11, 2008 at 9:44 AM
It may be an ego trip, but when something north of 10% of the votes aren’t counted because they’re not “necessary”, there is something wrong.
steveegg on February 11, 2008 at 9:50 AM
If the ticket were McCain/Huckabee, that would be the tipping point that have a lot of people staying home. Of course, I figure we’re in electoral Hell anyway, so it probably wouldn’t matter.
michaelo on February 11, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Well said.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 10:19 AM
You, Al-Ozarka, me, and the overwhelming majority of voters in the remaining primary states.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 10:20 AM
“Maybe you should show a little humility, you sound a lot like one of those closed minded pompouse types preaching about how good and great they are because they are saved.”
Evidence of that?
Of course there isn’t.
All one has to do is to read the posts here by Allah…and the comments by atheists…then ponder what an America would be like with them in charge of government.
“God help us” would take on a whole new meaning. The “love” shared by atheists on this site are akin to the “love” shown at the KOS these days.
Do a review…you’ll agree.
Al-Ozarka on February 11, 2008 at 10:20 AM
“I’m sure it was the atheists that made Huckabee give clemency to 1000 criminals.”
No, it was the F’d up penal system that was built by liberal Democrats like Clinton. Do a little research and quit following the Conservative Media Triumvirate that has taken its attack ammo from the likes of Liberal news sources such as the Araknsas Times.
And posers like the Club for Growth!
Al-Ozarka on February 11, 2008 at 10:24 AM
This is a very real threat. There have already been Supreme Court opinions written with this type of nonsense. Huckabee said in his speech to CPAC that any justice who relinquishes our national sovereignty by using another country’s judicial decision as the basis for ours, should be summarily impeached. I agree 100%.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Stop wasting your time hypothesizing about Huckabee being McCain’s VP pick. Neither the McCain supporters nor the Huckabee supporters want that, and it ain’t gonna happen. Huck will get it to a brokered convention, he will win the nomination, he will win the general, and you will be glad he did.
Talking about VP picks is fairly irrelevant until a candidate wins the nomination. But, that said, I hope Huckabee picks either Thompson or Steele as his VP. :-)
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Al,
All the evidence needed is in your posts. Reading your description of Huckabee is like reading a personal revalation of one who watched Moses come down from the mountain. Or watching Tom Cruise talk about how great L. Ron Hubbard is. You may not notice it because you are objective.
I am an Athiest, and though I do not post here as much as I used to, I am not some moral devient seeking the destruction of your idols. Neither is Allah P.
Speaking of which, this is HIS house, not yours. So if you think that this site is a den of inequity then you have the freedom to just move on. Beleive it or not, Athiest are a small minority in this country. And despite some paranoid people who think otherwise, their is no great big conspiracy of athiest meeting every week to pray to our non god and plot the over throw of the western world. (That position has already been filled BTW, they are called Muslim).
Being an athiest is a personal choice. It is not a mass movement, but an individual one. A person of faith has nothign to fear from an athiest.
This brings to mind the oxy moron of anarchist planning a march or protest.
Wyrd on February 11, 2008 at 10:35 AM
As much as I dislike Huckabee, McCain would be a far worse choice at this point. Unless he can show me by his actions, starting by firing Hernandez, that he is committed to the conservative cause, Huckabee will get my protest vote.
fourstringfuror on February 11, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Do I understand this right? Huckster is upset that they called it relatively early but correctly? You stay classy, Huckster.
Huckabee is a fraud, and enough people recognize that- he can not win, brokered convention or not. The Republican apparatus isn’t going to nominate a loser.
The Huckabots here are very much approaching the Paultards in their creepy, cultish devotion to a candidate that can’t win.
Hollowpoint on February 11, 2008 at 10:42 AM
You stay classy,
HucksterHollowpoint.ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM
John McCain’s promises have less value than warm spit. We already know that he’d nominate the “concensus” jurist- meaning whomever Teddy Kennedy and Harry Reid demand.
John McCain simply cannot be trusted by conservatives. He’s betrayed the principles of conservatism far too often for his word to mean anything. Why do you think Huckabee did so well this weekend- people protest voting against the liberal dinosaur. All the folks I know in Virginia plan on voting for Romney tomorrow as a protest vote there. Yes, it is a “wasted” vote but the morons in Florida and California pretty much handed the election to the far-leftist that seek to blur the lines between the GOP and the socialists of the Democrat Party, anyway.
highhopes on February 11, 2008 at 11:00 AM
I might be mistaken but I don’t think LDS would vote for a ticket with Huck on it. So UT would go to the Dems.
bnelson44 on February 11, 2008 at 11:12 AM
The funniest thing about this Huckabrouhaha is that there are NO delegates at stake as a result of this count.
When you attended the caucuses, you were asked to do three things: (1) sign in, (2) list your presidential preference, and (c) participate in the selection of the people who will attend the next meeting. This count was just of the listed presidential preferences (written down at sign-in) of the people who were selected to select the representatives who will, in turn, finally select the actual delegates.
I don’t know why Huckabee’s people are being so whiny, except that they really don’t know what is going on here. If none of you remember Ed Rollins, however, he is one of those political consultants who likes to hear himself talk and generally does more harm than good. Why anyone is still hiring him is beyond me.
HTL on February 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM
I don’t know why Huckabee’s people are being so whiny, except that they really don’t know what is going on here. If none of you remember Ed Rollins, however, he is one of those political consultants who likes to hear himself talk and generally does more harm than good. Why anyone is still hiring him is beyond me.
HTL on February 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Because it keeps Hucks name in the media, it gives hime free press, it also gives him a reason to say he is being kept down, that the fix is in. It also gives his supports more of a push to continue to support him in cash and votes. It also plays into the angst out there that McCain is the establisment pick and therefore not what we want in an election cycle that change is the buzz word.
unseen on February 11, 2008 at 11:26 AM
The incredible Huck is making a run for it
Drtuddle on February 11, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Did TCO get the TKO?
RushBaby on February 11, 2008 at 11:28 AM
In Washington state we have caucai and primaries. The Dem caucus allocates the delegates for their party. The Republican caucus doesn’t mean anything. Their delegates aren’t awarded via the local caucus. Huckleberry’s challenge is all a showpiece. If he wins via a recount of the caucus votes, he gains……….nothing.
Slime is as slime does.
Mallard T. Drake on February 11, 2008 at 11:29 AM
If the shuckster is anywhere on the GOP ticket…say hello to President Obama (or Clinton).
ihasurnominashun on February 11, 2008 at 11:36 AM
if mccain chooses huckabee at the bottom of the ticket, i’m not voting. he’s about the only person who could keep me from it. i don’t want huck as the presumptive nominee in 2012.
its vintage duh on February 11, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Most of you just need to go ahead and vote for Clinton.
most of you are posting like there is still 3 or 4 people running for the Rep nod.
its down to 2, choose or shut the hell up, if you don’t vote you have no voice.
by the way all of you who are busting on the Huck, has our party removed the compassionate side of our party. legit question, just wandering.
I am a Reagan Republican – I believe in less government, strong military, lower taxes and the COMPASSIONATE treatment of others.
kara26 on February 11, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Adding Huckabee to a McCain ticket is akin to pumping pure oxygen into the Apollo command module while stuff is sparking. It’s like walking in sand after stepping on wet crap. Making out with a ‘chick’ on Bourbon Street at 2 AM. What I am trying to say is it’s not good.
pc on February 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Why is he still in the race? He says he wants to give voters a choice… but isn’t it mathematically impossible for him to gain the nomination? Is this just purely selfish huckstering? W T H?
cannonball on February 11, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Arkansas politics, a Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy or Why Inbred Cotton Pickers make bad leaders.
/born Ft. Smith
pc on February 11, 2008 at 11:49 AM
I live in the South and I would not vote for McCain OR Huckabee and certainly not McCain AND Huckabee.
EJDolbow on February 11, 2008 at 11:54 AM
‘Yes, ve vill make a complete investigation!’ Like it makes a difference. Huckleberry should’ve dropped out already. Guess he thinks he has a chance a the nom.
countywolf on February 11, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Huck has way too much compassion for rapists and murderers judging from his record on granting pardons and adovcating for clemency. His advocacy in applying the golden rule to rouge states indicates he would have way too much compassion for terrorists and despots throughout the world. Meanwhile Huck has way too little compassion for law-abiding American taxpayers, judging from his 500M in net tax increases while government of Arkansas. McCain isn’t a reliable conservative, but he’s better than Huck.
phronesis on February 11, 2008 at 12:02 PM
I believe in compassion for victims. Huck has too much compassion for murderers.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM
One word: Kansas.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Huck will win re-election in 2012.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 12:15 PM
If they succeed in establishing religion as a basic Republican Party tenet, they could do us in. When you say ‘radical right’ today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and Mike Huckabee [updated] and others who are trying to take the
Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.
Well, I’ve spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the ‘Old Conservatism.’ And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of these groups have little or nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics. The uncompromising position of these groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our representative system, if they gain sufficient strength. Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects. By maintaining the separation of church and state, the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars. Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers?
The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others, less the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. We have succeeded for over 200 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn’t stop now. To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic.
Ever good Christian should line up and kick
JerryMike Huckabee [updated] in the a$$.Falwell
- Barry Goldwater
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth. The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind to filch wealth and power to themselves. They, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
- Thomas Jefferson
What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.
- James Madison
MB4 on February 11, 2008 at 12:20 PM
SurveyUSA says Huckabee surging in Virginia…but is it too late?
From Thursday to today:
Among Conservative voters, John McCain had led by 21, now trails by 5.
Among Pro-Life voters, McCain had led by 20 points, now trails by 6.
Among voters in Southeast VA, McCain had led by 28, now trails by 12.
Among voters focused on Immigration, McCain had led by 16, now trails by 17.
Among voters who attend religious services regularly, McCain had led by 24, now trails by 2.
GULP!
SouthernGent on February 11, 2008 at 12:22 PM
I’m not surprised. Why are you? Get ready to see a lot more states like this.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 12:28 PM
I’m not surprised…I think it’s humorous. The media said it was all over. ;-)
SouthernGent on February 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM
I’m with you. The media can say all they want…it’s “We the people” who pick our president.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 12:33 PM
SurveyUSA has McCain +11 over Huck. Voting starts in less than 22 hours.
bnelson44 on February 11, 2008 at 12:33 PM
By November that will be dust in the wind.
Dust. Wind. Dude.
Nosferightu on February 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Yes, but it was 32 Friday. :-) I think some of this is backlash to the media telling us it’s all over. Most of it is just McCain’s record coming back to haunt him…as well it should.
SouthernGent on February 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM
For all of the Dems who hate Karl Rove, they will get to see Karl proven wrong when Huckabee wins the nomination.
And how about this…
If Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, and if Obama refuses to be her VP, and if Huckabee picks Steele as his VP, expect to see as many blacks (percentage-wise) vote Republican in the general election as voted for Steele in Maryland.
This is going to be a very positively transforming election for Republicans. Believe it.
Or, you can be a Defeatocrat and continue to support McCain/Obama/Clinton. How many of the delegates that McCain currently has came from Democrats voting in Republican primaries?
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 12:40 PM
I can’t speak for other precincts, but at mine, Huckabee was behind romney, mccain and paul.
The caucus attracts a completely different set of people than those who just select “Republican” and a candidate on their ballot and then mail it in.
All I’m saying is, if this is the future of a Huckabee contest then I don’t have any use for him.
WitchDoctor on February 11, 2008 at 12:40 PM
There is no real evidence of this. Anyway, are you saying that CPAC voters are now voting for Huck? If so, then I guess they just threw their so called principles out the window.
bnelson44 on February 11, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Does this look like presidential material to you?
And, if it’s Clinton, Huckabee has gone up against the Clinton/Democrat attack machine 4 times and won.
Say hello to President Huckabee.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Someone is certainly voting for him. I won’t say voters that would tend to go to CPAC would vote for Hucky, but they might be voting AGAINST McCain…just a guess. I’m no expert (no rude comments on that one!). :-D
SouthernGent on February 11, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Huck’s stand on the issues is the definition of conservative principles. You just don’t like him or trust him. But you trust John McCain or Hillary Clinton. Unbelieveable. If I had told you a year ago that you would be supporting McCain or Hillary now, you would never have believed me. Just like you don’t believe me now that Huckabee will serve in office from Jan 2009 – Jan 2017 and get 3 conservative justices confirmed to the Supreme Court.
Watch and see. This is going to be fun. The bigger the struggle, the bigger the victory.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Watch. And. See.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Heh. Yes, yes you did.
Slublog on February 11, 2008 at 1:07 PM
For those of you who still believe that Hillary would make a good president. Go back and refresh your memory with this.
That whole interview was just part of Hillary’s 2008 campaign game plan.
I have a hard time fathoming how any true Republican (vs. a Democrat troll) can truly think that Hillary Clinton would be good for this country.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 1:14 PM
And yet I still don’t believe in the Easter Bunny. Call me a skeptic.
Hollowpoint on February 11, 2008 at 1:16 PM
You, too, can take the red pill and leave the Matrix world where Senator McAmnesty is the best choice to represent our party in November.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 1:18 PM
As much as I don’t like McCain, I prefer him to Huckabee. I can hold my nose and vote for McCain. I cannot say the same of Huckabee.
Slublog on February 11, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Actually, I’ve supported McCain from the beginning.
Huck I didn’t know anything about. I am finding out that he is extremely prejudiced.
bnelson44 on February 11, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Hey, does anyone know where I can find some recent polling data on the Texas Republican primary? Is there any? RCP only has an ancient one from last year showing Giuliani in the lead.
I really, really, really, really don’t want Huckabee to get Texas. I don’t think I could ever live down the embarrassment.
aero on February 11, 2008 at 1:25 PM
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