Hannity to pro-Obama focus group: Name one accomplishment — the sequel
posted at 10:26 pm on February 11, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The exciting conclusion! Will the Obamites finally come up with a concrete achievement? Or is it Hope and Change from now until Election Day? An anxious Maverick waits in the wings.
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Bush had run a government. A pretty big one. I’m not saying he was a PERFECT candidate, but he was pretty decent. I’m convinced he would have won with the same resume here in ‘08. Obama hasn’t run anything. He hasn’t really done anything. He was in the Illinois State Senate…c’mon.
malan89 on February 11, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Sat. Night Live and the Daily Show could, but won’t, have a lot of fun with obama and his supporters.
jp on February 11, 2008 at 11:32 PM
The “Obama is a black guy” voter seemed to kinda have an attitude about Barracks accomplishment, but neverTHEless the bar has been set.
Yoosaion on February 11, 2008 at 10:30 PM
GWBush was a good 2term Govenor, got the parties to work together, made us a conceal-n-carry state, got re-elected easy.
The local station played some audio of a 90’s debate between W and Ann Richards the other day… man, I could barely believe my ears, GW was talkin right along smoothly, no “uhs”, no excruciating pauses, a rapid concise delivery… I miss that guy(must be the presidential dog-years).
christophercube on February 11, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Bush was accepted into the Texas Air National Guard after taking a pilot aptitude test. Keeping in mind that at this time thousands of air National Guard pilots had been called to active duty.
Besides that, he was twice elected Governor of Texas.
amerpundit on February 11, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Bro, save me some reefer…..
malan89 on February 11, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Yoosaion, according to the last two Luntz focus groups, Obama’s most admirable accomplishment is being black.
There are millions of black people. I don’t think there are millions of Texas Governors.
p0s3r on February 11, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Mr. T ‘08!
Help get Sgt. BA in the double O!
malan89 on February 11, 2008 at 11:34 PM
DNC Headquarters….2004
Let’s create a man who is good looking and articulate. Don’t give him any political belief, we’ll go by the poll numbers. Inject him with some snappy slogans. We’ll get the indies. Go ahead and make him black. We’ll get the white liberal guilt. Awesome. Let’s do this.
malan89 on February 11, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Stick to facts and the arguments go a little better. You fly fighter jets, wonder boy? Ever been in one? Can you imagine make a short trip without puking all over the cockpit? I can’t, and I don’t think Barry can, either.
So, instead of trying to mock Bush’s record in order to make your “community organizer” look like he’s done something other than inherit some pigment, organize your thoughts.
Jaibones on February 11, 2008 at 11:41 PM
That was absolutely horrifying.
The Ugly American on February 11, 2008 at 11:42 PM
If you were a Democrat, why would you even want to sign up for one of Luntz’s groups if this is how you’re going to be treated? If this were MSNBC talking this way to Huckabee supporters, people on this site would be going nuts.
And Hannity’s just bitter about McCain being the probable nominee, and is blowing off steam. Does anyone think people are going to walk out of that group and think, “Hmmm…Hannity makes a great point. I think I won’t vote for Obama now.”
I understand Fox has a certain political slant, but can’t they be a little bit more subtle about it?
asc85 on February 11, 2008 at 11:42 PM
If McCain’s people were smart, they’d license both pieces from Fox and use it in their attack ads.
Good stuff.
The Ugly American on February 11, 2008 at 11:44 PM
I live in Obama’s neighborhood, and he has brought people together over a local dispute regarding the renovation of a loved lakeside park.
He is also credited for securing additional funding for veterans’ medical care and energy development in Illinois.
These aren’t huge, and they aren’t the point. People aren’t voting for him based on what he has done but on what he promises to do (or be) and what he symbolizes for them. They want a president that makes them feel good, and Bush wasn’t good at that. I don’t think McCain will be, either.
Vagueperson on February 11, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Asking admitted Obama’s supporters what his biggest accomplishments are, is biased? Let me guess, it’s also racist?
p0s3r on February 11, 2008 at 11:45 PM
You think so Allah?
Kini on February 11, 2008 at 11:46 PM
asc85 on February 11, 2008 at 11:42 PM
How dare Hannity ask such an unfair question, that bitter man.
christophercube on February 11, 2008 at 11:48 PM
For the same reason why people would go on the Jerry Springer show and publicly embarrass themselves and not even know it.
Kini on February 11, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Don’t you go Fox on me!
And MSNBC is much worse for conservatives every single night. It’s called Countdown. BTW, since when did Hot Airheads start supporting Huckabee. We all pretty much hate Huckawheresafghanistanbee. Also, what’s wrong with asking a candidate’s supporters to list accomplishments? Supporters of ANY other candidate would go crazy for a question like that. The problem with Obama supporters is that they only like his personality. Most of them don’t even follow the news, politics, or what is going on in the world. That was the point Sean was making. That and Obama has done nothing. Literally, nothing.
malan89 on February 11, 2008 at 11:48 PM
In other words he got other people to do the work and took credit for it.
William Amos on February 11, 2008 at 11:49 PM
To be honest they simply would vote for barak because they link him and nothing else matters.
William Amos on February 11, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Seriously. That sounds like an episode of Dora the Explorer. “Barry and His Buddies Clean Up the Park”
malan89 on February 11, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Hey man, Keyes is more of a Reagan conservative than Huck, Romney and Fred put into one. His oratory and eloquence is outstanding.
Let’s get him onto the GOP ticket.
Pax americana on February 11, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Incidentally, I don’t think Luntz’s point was necessarily that being elected to the Senate isn’t technically an accomplishment, but that, given the context of the current election cycle, it isn’t a relevant accomplishment. Both Hillary and McCain were elected to the senate, too.
Blacklake on February 11, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Who is this Yoosaion, character? Is he a new troll that snuck in the last time Allah and Bryan opened the gates? Or is he some genius (and I say that in the most sarcastic way possible) who claims to represent GOP, but has been fooled by Obamamania?
(mid-comment edit… I searched the web and found my answer - Troll)
Yoosaion is one of those who comes here with a civil attitude, but based on the fact that no one can possibly (honestly) think the way he does (as I’ve noted over and over, to be a liberal you must either be stupid or dishonest) he’s just here to stir the pot.
He immediately baited people by saying:
Then, despite small lists people put up, always having two term governor of Texas as the cherry on top, he went on in classic liberal/troll fashion to divert and dodge any way he could. All we need to say is “Governor of Texas” and that’s the end of it. Bush held EXECUTIVE OFFICE in one of the biggest states in the country. End of story.
But that’s not even the point. People here (and Hannity, who you claim you’d like to see challenged on this point) can give you answers. Obama supporters can’t. Last time it was a bunch of “uh…um…. well he…. uh”. The best they got was “inspirational” and “work with the elderly” (or something stupid and generic like that). This time we learn that he’s black (which interestingly enough is why millions of moron college kids are voting for him, as I’ve stated time and time again… in addition to “hope” and “change” of course.)
Bottom line here Yoosaion, is that these are people who support Obama… yet they don’t know why. They’ve been fooled by his likability and the media’s love affair with him, when in reality the most notable thing he’s done is bend over for Iran and piss off Pakistan.
RightWinged on February 11, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Look what happened when “the Brothers & Sisters” ran Phila. Another fine liberal mess.
http://www.attytood.com/2005/02/philly_on_trial_john_streets_b.html
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/the_corruption_of_corey_kemp/
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/23/national/23philly.html?pagewanted=print&position=
JoeAvg on February 12, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Except in the confines of their property boundaries. ;)
Maybe the question should be redefined as “What qualifies Obama to be POTUS?”
Other than clean, articulate and a nice guy.
Kini on February 12, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Just when we thought Yoosaion had it locked up, a late contender in the race for dumbest comment of the night:
How is a debate show, where one host is conservative, asking a Democrat focus group to name an accomplishment of their candidate, something to whine about and cry “bias” over? Oh, and clearly you’ve confused HotAir commenters with your image of conservatives… very few, if any people here give a sh** how Huckabee is treated, guy. Honestly, where do you get this nonsense?
Anyway, if anyone is keeping score… It’s no longer okay to ask Democrats why they might be supporting their candidate, because it might reveal that they’re incredibly dumb and shallow people who’ve only been tricked in to voting the way they are out of media hype and race/gender/identity politics. Thanks for clearing that up for us asc85.
RightWinged on February 12, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Yep…except…
Translation: he belonged and learned from a group that is not much more or less than militant Black Panthers. Accomplishment Galore!
RushBaby on February 12, 2008 at 12:11 AM
idgit voters 2: electric boogaloo
its vintage duh on February 12, 2008 at 12:13 AM
You sound like the Democrats demanding the Fairness Doctrine’s return because talk radio and Fox don’t give them equal time. Never mind the fact that just about every other major medium is slanted towards them. God forbid the one favorable to us shows a slant.
The point isn’t to sway the opinion of those few people. It’s to point out to viewers that Obama supporters can’t name an accomplishment, yet say they support him.
amerpundit on February 12, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Okay, here’s the deal. I’ve been a registered HotAir commenter since before the most recent opening of the registration. I’m honestly not trying to bait anybody or start a controversy. I apologize if that’s how it came across. I honestly didn’t expect so many people to take so much issue with what I wrote. Admittedly, being Governor of Texas is a very impressive thing to have on any resume.
(I hope this doesn’t tip the scales back in my favor for “dumbest comment of the night.”)
Yoosaion on February 12, 2008 at 12:15 AM
Nope, asc85 definitely has the edge on you at this point… But I’m also not buying this (what you just said) either. A quick search of your name reveals a number of HotAir threads where you’ve said equally dumb things and consistently taking contrarian positions, knowing that you’d stir things up.
RightWinged on February 12, 2008 at 12:20 AM
by the way, I almost feel bad for the young black kid in the focus group, but he’s flat wrong and this can’t be said enough:
RightWinged on February 12, 2008 at 12:24 AM
The smartest person was the woman that said “Pass”.
Kini on February 12, 2008 at 12:30 AM
I agree that when B. Hussein knocks off Mrs. Rodham for the nomination, the GOP just got their first 2 TV ads.
Being black is not an accomplishment Mr. “Focus group” …talk about playing the race card. What about the blacks that have run in the past? The Rodham crowd could say the same about being a woman. The Romney crowd could do the same about being a Mormon.
The question was about ACCOMPLISHMENTS and for you liberals, an accomplishment is something you actually DO and not something that’s done for you or you’re born into. Additionally, B. Hussein is 1/2 white and 1/2 black correct? Why is that he defaults to being black? Is the 50% white half completely ignorned or is the white background simply not convenient?
RushBaby…totally agree with what you said. We think alike on every issue.
JetBlast on February 12, 2008 at 12:32 AM
It’s Hot Heads, not Hot Airheads, OK? Unless you’re AP, who likes to refer to us as Hotties.
RushBaby on February 12, 2008 at 12:36 AM
The Dems have been in a world where an empty suit has been running against a spouse and a shyster. In that world, getting elected is all the qualification you need. Those people are going to now be in a world where the other guy has been an A-list player for decades. All us of here disagree with McCain on many positions, but can easily name several areas where he led a shift in national momentum, even if we wish he led it in a different direction.
For Obama supporters, over the next few months it will be like coming out of a theatre into the afternoon sun.
pedestrian on February 12, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Wonder what people were thinking about Obama during the prequel?
I know I only had 9 of 7 on my mind.
Kini on February 12, 2008 at 12:37 AM
You have much better grammar. * hangs head *
RushBaby on February 12, 2008 at 12:38 AM
You’re quite safe.
This is easily the dumbest comment of the night:
Only a Hyde Parker could be so mind-numbingly self-absorbed as to believe that being involved in a “Save the Point” campaign is a presidential qualification.
billy on February 12, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Okay, just one more word in my defense, then I’m out. I’ve never tried to be “contrarian” or “stir things up.” I may not agree with you on everything, but I hold my tongue most of the time and, when I do leave a comment, I try to write something that might add to the discussion or might at least be entertaining to read. I also try to be respectful to commenters even when I strongly disagree with them, and resist the urge to instantly write off their opinions as “dumb.” Sorry if I’ve ever fallen short of that. But anyways, I’m going to wrap this up because I’m breaking my aforementioned cardinal rules as this post neither adds anything to the discussion, nor is it interesting to read.
Yoosaion on February 12, 2008 at 12:42 AM
Incidentally, I think most of us are playing right into Yoosaion’s hands (and by extension the DNC’s) by even entertaining Bush comparison. Let’s take as granted that George W. Bush did in fact get elected with no greater accomplishments than Obama. So what? Is George W. Bush going to be on the November ballot? I believe his two terms are over.
The Democrats will be doing everything they possibly can to try to frame the narrative of this election as Hillary or Obama versus George W. Bush (indeed, that’s the cynical strategy underlying all this incessant “change” palaver). One of the great benefits of a McCain ticket is that it will be quite a stretch, no matter what you think of either of them, to hang the Bush political mantle around the neck of John McCain. The left will certainly try, but McCain will be able to counter with much more credibility than most Republicans.
We’ll all be well served to stay focused on the actual election, and not get bogged down in make-believe ones.
Blacklake on February 12, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Oh please, not this again. Is Hannity just being rhetorical, or does he really not get that Democrats do not care about accomplishment. They fear accomplishment and success. It’s who they are.
Halley on February 12, 2008 at 12:45 AM
We Americans deserve what we get. If the sole reason for voting for someone is not based upon his leadership credentials, intelligence, and principles, then really, do we deserve to be the greatest nation on Earth? It will be my generation (20-30 yr olds) that gives away our superpower status. Some feel guilty for being the best, or as I suspect most feel, we just don’t really care all that much so long as we have our comfort. We’ve turned something as sacred to this country as our right to vote into a cross between 5th grade student council elections and American Idol, but then again, I’d hate to belittle the 5th graders.
This country deserves hard times to wake us up and make us strong again. We’re pretty soft.
Send_Me on February 12, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Please don’t go. Come on in and fight for your point of view. All of us earn a thick skin in this room.
RushBaby on February 12, 2008 at 12:48 AM
At the rate we’re going, your generation won’t have a chance to give away our superpower status.
It’ll be long gone.
billy on February 12, 2008 at 12:49 AM
It’s funny that the Obama “Yes We Can” doesn’t ask the question “Can What?”
Someone posted this earlier and it may be appropriate to post it again.
Then, consider these numbers on recent Google searches using only Obama’s name plus one other word:
* Obama + messianic 75,200
* Obama + savior 226,000
* Obama + prophet 312,000
* Obama + Christ 504,000
* Obama + change 4,540,000
This alone, I find disturbing.
Kini on February 12, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Alright, catch ya later… And FYI, if I cared enough, I’d dig up your comments because what I described is virtually all you do here, and this is evident from simply searching your name on Yahoo! and pulling up the threads in which you’ve commented.
Anyway, back to the point - I repeat, among other things…
Bush held EXECUTIVE OFFICE in TX for two terms > Obama is black.
RightWinged on February 12, 2008 at 12:55 AM
You echoed what I already wrote on page 1.
America is doomed, no question about it.
Indy Conservative on February 12, 2008 at 12:57 AM
Obama stands for many things RightWinged. Among them, affordable healthcare, having a dialog with our so called enemies, try to have a clean campaign, try to avoid divisive politics, npt having endorsed the war, etc.
You might not value these things, but don’t say it’s simply a love affair. Yes, Obama is not necessarily all substance (but we had Bush over the last 7 years, so lets not complain too much), but he does bring positive ideas to the table. He is a bit like our Fred Thompson, but he actually works hard.
mycowardice on February 12, 2008 at 1:18 AM
What a post full of crap. If you’re a Conservative, you have a moral duty of optimism and patriotism. Recalibrate your attitude.
RushBaby on February 12, 2008 at 1:23 AM
It is because I am a patriot that I wrote the message (on page 1) which you are referring to.
My “moral duty and optimism” will do nothing to change voters’ attitude, stupidity and shallowness.
Again, only the American people will destroy America.
Again, why not learning from Europe?
Why the Americans are so stupid?
Indy Conservative on February 12, 2008 at 1:33 AM
Hey, this really is a catholic sort of place. A Democrat!
Hussein’s positive ideas include socialism which will be paid for through tax hikes, lots of appeasement of theocrats in Iran and Saudi Arabia, and widespread infanticide. If that’s what gets you going, so be it.
Clean campaign is a bit of a joke coming from Mr Tony-Rizko-bought-me-a-house, and divisive politics is a little bit difficult when your political rhetoric consists entirely of vacuous platitudes, but hey, when’s that stopped Dems from putting style before substance?
Pax americana on February 12, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Oh please! How can you be serious? And by the way, don’t say “our” Fred Thompson (like you’re a conservative or something). There’s no “our” here, dude. How do I know you’re a lib (before I even clicked over to your site)? Because no one could list a bunch of slogans/tried and true pandering ideas as “accomplishments” of Obama’s.
I’m not even going to get in to Obama not endorsing the war, because he wasn’t in a position to oppose or endorse it. He didn’t see the intelligence that everyone else did, that led the Democrats to spend 13 YEAR making the case for WMDs. Any way you slice it though, this isn’t an “accomplishment” for him.
Saying you want “affordable healthcare” isn’t an accomplishment. It’s a common Democrat platitude. Nothing new. I’m going to go out on a limb and say he’s for a good economy and education system too! Wow, being pro good things (and anti-bad things) are great “accomplishments”.
You get this gist… I’m not even going to waste my time going over each point because you obviously don’t get the point anyway… and just so you really feel like an idiot (which I actually think is impossible, or you wouldn’t have made your last comment in the first place) here’s something you said at your blog:
http://mycowardice.wordpress.com/2007/10/07/until-further-notice-john-edwards-gets-my-vote/
Care to edit your comment above where you lumped yourself in with “us”?
By the way, did you really support Edwards before he dropped out? You do realize that he was the 1 pro-war Democrat in the 2004 primaries. So much so that he bragged about being on the Senate Intelligence Committee and seeing the WMD intel, bragged that he’d have acted at the UN EXACTLY as Bush did, and that he’d have gone in to Iraq just as Bush did, giving the finger to our (supposed) European “allies”, said he WAS NOT misled by Bush, etc. etc. Suddenly he came in as the most far left anti-war candidate of the front runners and a bunch of idiots out there bought it. Anyone who supported John Edwards this round was either dishonest, retarded, or lazy. If indeed you did support him, which were you?
RightWinged on February 12, 2008 at 1:40 AM
oops, I posted the wrong link above… it doesn’t correspond with the quote… this link goes with the quote
http://mycowardice.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/when-hotair-buys-into-the-obama-slogan-you-know-youve-won/
RightWinged on February 12, 2008 at 1:41 AM
RED MEAT POST OF THE NIGHT! Sirloin, prime rib, and good old fashioned pot roast! To be savored bite by bite:
Obama stands for affordable healthcare!Translation: Obama stands for cutting the paws off the sled dogs so the passengers can have a morsel to munch.
Obama stands for having a dialog with our so called enemies. Translation: Obama doesn’t understand the crystal clear fact that our enemy considers overtures such as “dialog” a clear indication of weakness and and invitation to escalate their assault.
Obama stands for [trying] to have a clean campaign, Translation: Obama aced Saul Alinsky 101
Obama stands for [trying] to avoid divisive politics, not having endorsed the war, etc. Translation: Non-divisive politics means you can only agree with radical leftist politics.
don’t say it’s simply a love affair. Yes, Obama is not necessarily all substance Oh he’s plenty of substance. Radical Leftist substance, delivered in a package that Hillary Clinton would be proud to display under her Christmas Tree.
Over to you.
RushBaby on February 12, 2008 at 1:48 AM
While you’re technically right, his substance is radical left… the larger point I find so outrageous is that his supporters don’t support him on that substance. He’s radical left, but been sold as a hero, and not one of his damn supporters can say something about him that can’t be said about a lot of Hollywood celebrities… which is essentially all he is.
RightWinged on February 12, 2008 at 1:54 AM
You have to be kidding.
capitalist piglet on February 12, 2008 at 1:58 AM
Knowing you have a problem is the first step to recovery.
However, in this case the problem is more systemic than first observed. If you consider why people have resorted to Home Schooling their children rather than use the Public Screwl system then you can get an idea where the people on the panel are coming from. Their thought process is not one of logic and reason, but of emotion and comfort fuzziness. They are reactionary and impulsive and are easily swayed by the Cult of Personality.
That’s a hard faith to covert otherwise. Much like Jihadism? Or is that a stretch? I don’t think so. When you have a strong desire to believe in something that has no substance. That campaigns on the fear and loathing of haves and have nots. The inequality of a maxed out credit card and a good FICO score. It all seems pretty preachy and that’s from the pulpit of the Church of Liberalism.
Conservatism is of ideas and principals. One of self governing ones destiny rather than to be provided for. When most of us were young teens, rebelling against our parents and demanding our independence was the only life goal.
Now, that has all changed to having the state replace those parental duties with the promise of “Yes We Can”.
Kini on February 12, 2008 at 1:58 AM
What I’m waiting for is the question, “Name one accomplishment Clinton has ever had.”
I believe the only one was a non-accomplished health insurance fiasco. She touts the fact that she serves on different senate committees as a big accomplishment. Most of the senators serve on various committees, so what.
She was the first lady for eight years and was in the midst of things in the WH, yeh and so was the pastry chef, does that also make him ready on day one, as well?
She has two more years in the senate than Obama, big whoop.
He was in the Illinois senate, what state senate did she serve in, ah none.
Face facts, she has no more experience and is no more ready on day one than Obama or at least 50 other senators and countless congressmen.
gunter on February 12, 2008 at 1:58 AM
RW - agreed every word. Actually a brilliant analogy. He is campaigning as a Hollywood celebrity. Really insightful comment.
RushBaby on February 12, 2008 at 2:10 AM
Mr Tony-Rizko-bought-me-a-house? If you’re going to accuse our opponent, please link to a story that makes the case that Rezko bought Obama a house.
RushBaby on February 12, 2008 at 2:18 AM
Uh…he’s black and that’s an accomplishment?
Black Adam on February 12, 2008 at 2:47 AM
Ooooo, look what I found, after a long and tedious time scrolling page 1 in search of a comment that someone is too lazy to link to:
These are the words of a quitter, a pessimist, and a misanthropist, not a patriot. Buck up, man! Pick your drooping silly putty self up off the floor and look for something to fight for, not something to give up against.
Patriot, I’m talking to you! Patriots aren’t gloomy, they’re ready to fight to the end. Patriots don’t pizz on their compatriots, they inspire.
So you got your dobber knocked in the dirt, so you got force-fed a sip from the bitter cup. Stand up, spit it out, look around, get creative! As long as you’re alive, there’s a weapon you can use in the battle we share!
Come on, Indy! We need you on the Front, and optimism is the supply line most in jeopardy. The enemy’s got “hope”. Bring optimism. Bring courage. Bring Fight!
RushBaby on February 12, 2008 at 2:50 AM
Amazin’, ain’t it?
Jaibones on February 12, 2008 at 2:58 AM
He quit smoking, when they told him he had to. Hey, that’s better than Marion Berry.
2Tru2Tru on February 12, 2008 at 2:59 AM
Does he? I’m not so sure. I caught a sound bite of Obama tonight in which he accused McCain of wanting a “hundred year war in Iraq.” What McCain actually said was that we may have troops stationed in Iraq for the next 100 years - not that the war would go on that long! (We have troops stationed in South Korea, in Bosnia, and across Western Europe, though we aren’t at war in those places.)
Obama surely understands this distinction … doesn’t he? Yet he misrepresents it to his fact-challenged audience. This is not my idea of running “a clean canpaign.” It’s dishonest and demagogic (not unlike his endless promises and his all-things-to-all-people persona).
A clean campaign? That’s wishful thinking.
sauropod on February 12, 2008 at 3:03 AM
Obama supporters buoyed by The
Audacity of HopeVoracity of Dope.Deety on February 12, 2008 at 3:17 AM
So does that mean we should run Eminem as our VP because he’s the only white rapper today?
Eclectic on February 12, 2008 at 3:27 AM
Interesting video. Obama supporters still can’t think of anything he accomplished in the senate and in the house. But I can see the comeback from Obama supporters: “What did McCain do in his over 25 years in congress? After all you guys hated his campaign finance and illegal immigration legislations?”
My response would be:
a) Strong advocate against pork barrel projects
b) Helped to end the Dems streak of filbustering Bush’s supreme court justices through the gang of 14 (It was a successful)
c) Maintained a strong record on being tax payer friendly.
Frank T.J Mackey on February 12, 2008 at 5:59 AM
On the other hand, think of all the bad things that Obama hasn’t yet had the chance to do!
Every tough choice, every bad decision, every screw-up in American history is somebody else’s fault.
Obama ‘08!
saint kansas on February 12, 2008 at 6:09 AM
Said it before and I will say it again. Morons - all of them. Touchy-feely feel-good morons.
txsurveyor on February 12, 2008 at 7:53 AM
I agree that the Obama supporters look rather lame in trying to come up with one accomplishment…
BUT THATS THE POINT OF OBAMA’S CAMPAIGN !!!!
His campaign is about an attitude… hope, the future, change, whatever.. and not really about specific policy ideas. To the extent he has policies… against the war, in favor of govt universal healthcare.. they are unremittingly LIBERAL.
But he is not running as a liberal. He is running as an “agent of change” as a “bringer of hope”, so the obama voters are right in step when they love his ATTITUDE and cant name any accomplishments.
It is up to McCain and the Republicans to prove to the voters that that is no way to pick a Commander in Chief.
Always Right on February 12, 2008 at 7:56 AM
Ironic, isn’t it? The only connection Obama has to slavery in the U.S. is through his white mother’s ancestors . . . who were slave owners.
And isn’t it also ironic that this “black” candidate who “transcends” racism and is going to unite all Americans and heal our racial divisions . . . is a member of a black supremacist church?
AZCoyote on February 12, 2008 at 7:58 AM
Hillary plants
Wade on February 12, 2008 at 8:10 AM
I saw a joke bumper sticker, not totally off topic (my edit because of McCain).
RepublicanConservative - because not everyone can be on welfare.rgranger on February 12, 2008 at 8:12 AM
This is fun to read all the “fairy tales” people are making up trying to justify McCain.
These were exceptionally good:
It’s like Lenin said, ” A lie told often enohg becomes the truth”
McCain is one of us
McCain is one of us
McCain is one of us (ouch get that knife outta my back)
McCain is one of us
To funny :-)
Thanks
TOPV on February 12, 2008 at 8:14 AM
Well good! Obviously he’s ready to be Commander in Chief with that accomplishment under his belt.
OT -
Did anyone see that ditzy “feminist Republican” tool Margaret Hoover swooning over Barry on O’Reilly last night?
Buy Danish on February 12, 2008 at 8:15 AM
My full comment went on to say that this wasn’t altogether that significant and that it wasn’t the point, no pun intended. I, however, do see it as an accomplishment (not presidential in stature). Being a mediator in a dispute is important - even in an issue this small and local. Bush is trying to do it somewhere else right now, and he’ll probably move a lot less on that than Clinton in his twilight days. I only brought it up to express what would have been my answer to Frank Dunce. Hell, a senator’s job is to vote and sometimes bring in new legislation, but he was the juniorest senator.
Democrats aren’t looking for Mitt, the CEO manager. They’ve seen a two-term governor in action, and I guess a lot of them weren’t convinced a businessman (granted, a failed businessman) brought what they wanted to the table.
In their eyes working as a community organizer, law professor, etc. are accomplishments that they value for the position at this time. They aren’t republicans. They have different values and thus different qualifications for the job - especially after their Bush-hate years. This should be surprising to nobody.
They have a different lens when they consider the issue, so when Hannity asks the question, he is really either trying to trick them into thinking his way or to have them convince him on his terms. But most of their answers reflect what they want and are looking for - not business or even constructive legislation accomplishments, but judgement, principles, and a certain image of light to lead them. They’re voting for his character, something that Mitt could never have competed against. This is where McCain’s past can he help him - because it seems that (ironic as this is in the context of my comment) many republicans may be voting for McCain for his image, as well - not the businessman with conservative accomplishments but the war hero.
As McCain says - he can hire managers, but he is the leader. His evidence is that he has lead, although sometimes we wonder who he was leading besides himself. The parts of him that convince people he’s a conservative are mainly his votes in the Senate - less his legislation.
Sorry if you consider me “mind-numbingly self-absorbed” because I live in Hyde Park and answer the question with what comes to mind. Also sorry if you think the majority of the nation are idiots because they are voting according to what inspires them in leadership and not a specific, logical resume.
(last point) - some people think that it is no mean thing to be elected as a Black man, but there seems to be some naivete or ignorance about racism as a systemic feature of some parts of society. While it may have no relevance to the current case, there are innumerable instances when a Black man doing what a White man does is a greater accomplishment - and I think people see it not only as a personal accomplishment but as a corporate accomplishment, which is probably driving this Obama surge.
Ok, now burn me.
Vagueperson on February 12, 2008 at 8:19 AM
I heard Obama did an eightball of blow in one evening and was able to go to sleep by 3am.
David in ATL on February 12, 2008 at 8:37 AM
Why do you hate America? I question your patriotism.
You’re an embarrassment. Please keep your party affiliation a secret if anyone asks you to comment on something.
Dash on February 12, 2008 at 8:39 AM
Obama said this thing the other day that was so meaningful and demonstrated a real working knowledge of public policy. It was great. What was that? It was so insightful. Man….what was that?
pecan pie on February 12, 2008 at 8:49 AM
It’s not often I’d refer someone to Newsweek, but there’s an article there that perhaps you should read.
Here’s the gist:
A grasp of history can be useful, you know.
Quisp on February 12, 2008 at 8:54 AM
He was a good student and wrote 2 books. And you think this qualifies him to be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?
ctmom on February 12, 2008 at 8:58 AM
You’re kidding, right?
This Barry Barack Obama?
The son of a white American mother and a black Kenyan father, Mr. Obama wrote that he would get high to help numb the confusion he felt about himself. “Junkie. Pothead. That’s where I’d been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man,” he penned in the memoir [Dreams From My Father]. “Except the highs hadn’t been about that, me trying to prove what a down brother I was.”
Puhlease. Self-indulgent sturm und drang posturing. That is a character issue for me.
Buy Danish on February 12, 2008 at 9:04 AM
I’m thinkin’ NBA here. Any comment on that? But, seriously, wasn’t Obama influenced by Saul Alinsky in Chicago? Also, considering the overcompensation of our affirmative action programs, I seriously doubt racism( at least white against black)is such a major factor as you paint it. If it weren’t for Jeri Ryan, Obama would be just another ambitious hack.
a capella on February 12, 2008 at 9:08 AM
My answer…I believe Obama was successful in not being a sponsor of the Amnesty bill for illegals and was successful in not being a sponsor of campaign finance reform. Being a leader is only good if the leader takes you in the correct direction, yes that means you, John.
gozips on February 12, 2008 at 9:10 AM
How can you be subtle about the fact that the guy just isn’t qualified to be President?
ctmom on February 12, 2008 at 9:17 AM
Thank you for expanding on some of the points I made. There are some here on this message board who still don’t get it.
Furthermore, Americans do not learn from History, not just old history, but current events such as those happening in Europe.
Why can’t we see how Europe is declining and is giving up its identity to Islam because of Socialism, open borders, political correctness, lack of nationalism and faith in the Creator? Are we so blind? Why electing people who can and will drag America in that path?
As I said previously, there is only one person to blame: the voter.
And as I said previously, this is how Democracy has been abused by those who took Her for granted.
“Vote responsibly” can be another empty slogan, or is it already?
Indy Conservative on February 12, 2008 at 9:25 AM
Listen, I live in Maryland. Keyes is brilliant, but the search continues for the marbles he lost about 20 years ago.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on February 12, 2008 at 9:30 AM
That is a ludicrous argument. What he did, not what he didn’t do matters and the mere fact he didn’t sponsor a particular bill means nothing.
In any case, CFR was before the Jr. Senator’s time but I’m quite sure he would have voted for it since it has all the left wing meme’s about money and politics. As for amnesty, he’s an illegal alien’s best friend and wants to give them drivers licenses.
Buy Danish on February 12, 2008 at 9:35 AM
Well, honest work is an accomplishment for a Democrat I suppoose. Meanwhile, most Republicans give of their time and money without being paid. Republicans like George W. Bush, who, despite having far less wealth than John Francois Kerry, game more to charity, and didn’t make his givings public knowledge.
Even the backward countries of the world know their leader should have more leadership than just a community outreach pawn. They at least look for military leadership when they look for the leader of a coup.
So why couldn’t any of them name his community organizing or law professing? Probably because even they know Barack’s #1 qualification is that he has the darkest skin in the race.
Mitt Romney is Ward Cleaver with a 9-digit bank account. The only thing his political opponents could point out was his previous statements when running as a candidate for office. Barack Obama is a smirking thief. He will dazzle you with his oratory and he fishes in your back pocket to steal your wallet, and once he has bewildered you with his speech and left you, only then do you realize he has stolen your wallet, long after he has spotted his next victim.
BKennedy on February 12, 2008 at 9:36 AM
I thought I would share the thought process of a friend of mine, an Obama supporter (I think)…..
ctmom on February 12, 2008 at 9:38 AM
I think Fred Thompson stood for ideas more than accomplishments. I think Obama is in a similar category. Not that Fred or Obama didn’t accomplish anything, but it’s not as tangible as what Mitt or Rudy did.
I did not list them as accomplishments, I listed them as what Obama stands for. You said that some of us support Obama but don’t know why. I am telling you why. Some of the items I have listed go beyond simple slogans. For example, Obama has a concrete plan that will make health care better (IMHO). Check his website if you think it’s an empty slogan. Among his ideas: “No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.” and “Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have.” Anyways, I am not asking you to believe in those goals (or methods), but please don’t say we don’t know why we support Obama.
And by our/us, I meant Liberals/Democrats/Progressives. Just because I post on HotAir doens’t make me a conservative/Republican. I did not mean ‘our/us’ to refer to Republicans: you are blessed with McCain, why would you want Obama :).
Funny, Mitt was critized by McCain for not ’supporting’ the surge, even if he was in no position to do so. How did you react what that claim was made? I think this is an accomplishment. Hillary could not withstand the Bush juggernaught, but Obama was.
I never meant to imply that was an accomplishment, so once again, that is what Obama stands for. Read his plan, clearly he will make health care more affordable and more available.
Again, it’s like saying that anyone that supported Mitt was because of his previous stance on abortion, or gay rights, or whatever topic. Did I think Edwards could do a good job in the future? YES. Did I think Edwards had a good plan? YES. Beyond that, finding stuff in his 2004 record for gotcha politics is not my #1 selection criteria. BTW, I did list ‘not supporting the war’ as something Obama stands for, but this is only one item in a more comprehensive set of items. In any event, he was not my first pick.
mycowardice on February 12, 2008 at 9:38 AM
I tried to link it, but it didn’t work. Maybe you can show me how.
I live in the real world. I see where the American people are dragging America and it’s not a pleasant scene to see.
Maybe I should re-post my comment here again for the rest of you:
We, as a nation, should be “proud” of our democracy. While in many parts of the world people are fighting and are getting shot at because they want to establish a Democracy, Free Elections and Liberty, here, in the good old U.S. of A., the Americans of the 21st century are taking that same Democracy for granted and are abusing it.
When you hear and see American voters electing their candidates according to their race, skin color, religion, appearance and likability, not for their experience, record and ability to manage the most powerful and important job on Earth, then you know that something is wrong with America, you know that America is on the wrong path, you know how much the voters are shallow, uninformed, ignorant, stupid, brainwashed, and care less about America.
Can you imagine? The future of America lies on the hands of voters who “feel good” about their candidate, not on their competence and their ability to get things done according to a successful record.
In fact, the America which was founded on the Unity of Language, Border and Culture is so abused by the American people of the 21st century, it will cease to exist sooner or later and it will be replaced by Globalists, Internationalists, Socialists, bilinguals, trilinguals, open borders, a complete surrender to the global economy with the abolishment of the Dollar as the national currency and an utter decline in Military power.
You think it will not happened?
You are wrong. We are heading that way, and this generation will not pass until it happens.
You need a sign? You want to see the future of America? Then look at the candidates and those who are voting for them.
The only people who can destroy America are the American people.
Why the American people vote for the losers, the incompetent, and the power-hungry?
Why the American people do not learn from what is happening in Europe?
Good questions, huh? Read what I wrote above and you will find the answer.
May God have mercy on this country.
Indy Conservative on February 11, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Indy Conservative on February 12, 2008 at 9:52 AM
I guess Obama won’t get your vote. That is unfortunate.
I disagree with the ‘translations’ you make.
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No, Obama stands for affordable health care. I don’t understand, why we can’t buy into the same plan members of Congress have? Why can’t the government negociate with pharmaceuticals when it comes to the prescription plan Bush pushed through? Etc.
mycowardice on February 12, 2008 at 9:52 AM
I really am starting to feel like I emigrated here just in time to see the final atrophy of the American voting public.
Depressing.
LimeyGeek on February 12, 2008 at 9:59 AM
Here you have today’s liberal mindset, where BDS can always be applied as an excuse for their inability to debate on point or answer a direct question. Another classic example of “Hey, why are you questioning me when it was the other guy’s fault”. Substitute the word Bush for Hannity in the quote above and memories of how Bush tricked us into the war so he could invade Iraq immediately come to mind. Hello broken record.
Obama’s supporters look at him through a different lens? I think not. Try a blindfold. There’s no trickery in asking a direct question about a candidate’s accomplishments. The only trick is trying to come up with an answer when there is none, or coming up with a lame excuse for having no answer that you hope people will buy into, as you have.
fogw on February 12, 2008 at 10:04 AM
I see 113 bills in the Senate with Obama’s name as sponsor.
Lots of commemorative bills, a few condemnation bills, and lots of social spending. Almost all of them are stuck in committee. Accomplishments? Not that I can see.
He’s either a follower with charisma, or a leader with no gumption.
The question then, who’s he following?
desertdweller on February 12, 2008 at 10:09 AM
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