Getting nervous: 21-point swing towards Huckabee in Virginia — in three days
posted at 1:28 pm on February 11, 2008 by Allahpundit
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57-25 for Maverick on Friday, 48-37 for Maverick today. The primary’s tomorrow so it’s probably too late for Huck to jump the canyon but he did pop over to casa Falwell yesterday to jam on “I’ll Fly Away” for the benefit of the local news crews, so who knows? The boss made this point last night but it bears repeating: Imagine how the media would be covering this kneecapping-of-McCain national tour if it were Romney, not Huck, who had stayed in to embark on it. Huckabee skates because he’s even better with the press than McCain is; consider this a sneak preview of how Maverick will be treated if he ends up facing Obama.
The hope was that he’d blow Huck out tomorrow night and that would shoo him to the door, but what if he finishes within single digits now? How does he drop out on that note? “I have no hope to win — even though I gained 25 points in about 48 hours”?
Update: Keep in mind, Virginia’s an open primary and the Messiah is pushing very hard indeed for independents and Republican crossovers. Every centrist he takes is one less for McCain.
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Get the HUCK out/08
The man will not be VP.
William Amos on February 11, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Oh, goody. I’m how hoping for a McCain victory.
*sigh*
Slublog on February 11, 2008 at 1:32 PM
The man won’t be VP because McCain isnt going to be P.
muyoso on February 11, 2008 at 1:34 PM
“Getting nervous”?
That qualifies as understatement of the year.
Dear God, please, not Huck.
Splashman on February 11, 2008 at 1:34 PM
It’s the “anybody but McCain” vote.
JustTruth101 on February 11, 2008 at 1:36 PM
I so badly DON’T want Huckabee to take Texas that I’m considering the unthinkable–putting a McCain sign in my yard. I just don’t think I can handle the idea of Texas’s 140 delegates going to Squirrel Boy. The man is just frighteningly ignorant and deceitful.
aero on February 11, 2008 at 1:36 PM
How sad is it when Huckabee has me rooting for…McCain.
amerpundit on February 11, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Keep on truckin’, Huck!! Kick ‘em both off in a brokered convention!!! SECOND LOOK AT FREDMENTUM!
jdpaz on February 11, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Huckahu Akbar!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 11, 2008 at 1:37 PM
The only candidate I disliked more than Maverick was the Huckster. At this point, I’m simply amused. The guy who obviously ran wingman for Mav is now his lingering headache. Do you think the folks who continue to fight for Huck as the weeks go by are simply going to switch over if and when it becomes officially Mav’s party? Slow… motion… train wreck.
Sugar Land on February 11, 2008 at 1:39 PM
OMG, Bad Meet Worse
McCain is awful, but he isn’t stupid. I take a little comfort in that.
I really have no desire to suffer through Jimmy Carter II.
SimplyKimberly on February 11, 2008 at 1:39 PM
I asked this on the other Huck thread, but it had already died down (except for one creepy Huckafreak still insisting that Huck’s Da Man).
Does anyone know where I can find some recent polling data on the Texas Republican primary? Is there any? RCP only has an ancient one from last year showing Giuliani in the lead.
I really, really, really, really don’t want Huckabee to get Texas. I don’t think I could ever live down the embarrassment.
aero on February 11, 2008 at 1:39 PM
I’m resigning myself to the reality of President Barack Obama.
Defeatism? Nay…zen.
Slublog on February 11, 2008 at 1:41 PM
To whom does that last pronoun refer, AP? McCain? I don’t think McCain plans to drop out.
paul006 on February 11, 2008 at 1:41 PM
You and me both. I now want to campaign FOR McCain if that is the case.
SimplyKimberly on February 11, 2008 at 1:41 PM
aero, check rcp.com or realclearpolitics.com?
I’m about to order a McCain bumper sticker. Oy
funky chicken on February 11, 2008 at 1:43 PM
LOL. What goes around comes around, eh?
TOPV on February 11, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Perhaps we should just go ahead and get labotomies so that we, too, can listen to Barack with beatific smiles on our faces, chanting “Yes we can!” and waving “CHANGE” signs in blissful ignorance. It would be nice to feel hopeful again, like Barack’s younglings do.
aero on February 11, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Imagine if Huckabee actually got the Republican nomination (assume McCain croaks of a heart attack or something in the next couple weeks if it makes it easier to imagine.) Now — imagine that Obama gets the Democrat nomination. Consider Huckabee versus Obama. What do you think the result would be in the general?
SunSword on February 11, 2008 at 1:44 PM
I’m about to order the “Maverick Candidate, meet MAVERICK Voter” bumper sticker;-)
TOPV on February 11, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Gomer Huck……
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21615320@N06/2203519293/
awesum on February 11, 2008 at 1:45 PM
LOL!
CP on February 11, 2008 at 1:45 PM
First place I looked. Just one ancient poll from early 2007.
aero on February 11, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Back your conservative choices for Senate and House, the White House is as lost as it has been for the last 4 years.
Wade on February 11, 2008 at 1:46 PM
The same as they would be if it is McCain versus Obama.
Can we all say “President Obama”?
TOPV on February 11, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Only texas poll I could find
http://ivrpolls.com/index.php
McCain 43%
Huckabee 33%
Paul 9%
Keyes 3%
Undecided 13%
William Amos on February 11, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Change…it’s in the air!
Slublog on February 11, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Since Paul is of the Texas origin…. would you rather have him?
Let me get that tin foil out for them hats!
upinak on February 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM
I seriously doubt Huck can force a brokered convention, but what if he did? I don’t know how we would be any worse off than we already are and we might be a whole lot better off.
Wouldn’t a brokered convention have to settle on a nominee who was liked by all three major party factions? If so, neither Huck nor McCain would be the guy.
flyfisher on February 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM
I’m trying to figure out how, given these two utterly BAD choices, which is actually worse. Huck knows nothing of foreign policy, but he has at least talked MUCH tougher on illegal immigration.
Which is the lesser or two bads?
Darksean on February 11, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Huck can stay in and embarrass McCain for as long as he wants for all I care. They would both lose the general anyway and I wouldn’t vote for either one. Romney 2012.
echosyst on February 11, 2008 at 1:48 PM
I can’t help but think that a swing of this nature can only be caused by dems crossing party lines.
Squarestate on February 11, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Its really a choice between ignorance and stupidity
William Amos on February 11, 2008 at 1:49 PM
This could be a good learning experience for McCain the general election if he faces Obama. Obama and Huckabee are both style over substance candidates. If McCain stands any chance of defeating Obama, he’ll need to figure messages to contrast his substance with his opponents’ emptiness. (If Hilary is the nominee, I hope to see flat out ideological struggle and not mud slinging.)
thuja on February 11, 2008 at 1:49 PM
And just think: we got stuck with this wonderful choice because of such wonderful decisions by the electorate about Fred and the need for ‘fire in the belly’.
A lousy campaign can be fixed; a lousy candidate with a lousy record cannot.
michaelo on February 11, 2008 at 1:50 PM
It’s the anti-McCain vote making itself known- probably has McCain sputtering the way he did after SC in 2000. Don’t we know that our role is to shut up and vote for him? LOL!
P.S. Am I the only one to find the way “He is Risen” is being used on the homepage mildly offensive? Clearly a slur against Evangelical Christians and not Huckabee’s rise in the polls. Just another example, I guess, of the intolerance the McCain/Rudy crowd has for those of us who take matters of faith seriously. I’ve come to expect this kind of stuff from anybody who can claim that McCain is a conservative on the issues that matter most.
highhopes on February 11, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Clinton
Clinton
Huckabee
Thanks Arkansas.
fogw on February 11, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Ah shucks……wth. We’ll have Camelot with lake effect snow. What’s to worry about? Camelot does have Lancelot afterall…and Morgaine.
Limerick on February 11, 2008 at 1:51 PM
This is why I’m gonna get that McCain sticker:
funky chicken on February 11, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Amen! That’s what I’m doing in Nov. but NOT voting for PREZ.
kcd on February 11, 2008 at 1:52 PM
How much you want to bet that, should he win, Obama’s most vocal, most outspoken critic during his first term won’t be talk radio, won’t be the conservative movement, but will instead be the person who thought she was practically going to be coroneted President in full pomp and splendor, and instead wound up back in the Senate? Shillary has to be grinding her teeth down to the gums as she sees this guy now overtaking her in the delegate count, and I will bet she will make life a living hell for him should be win the election.
pilamaye on February 11, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Call it the Dobson effect.
funky chicken on February 11, 2008 at 1:53 PM
I don’t vote based on geography or identity politics. I wouldn’t vote for a candidate just because he’s from my state if he’s an unacceptable candidate. Similarly, as a slightly overweight Christian suburban mom, I wouldn’t be any more inclined to vote for a woman, a mom, an overweight person, a Christian, or a person from the suburbs than a thin, Asian, urban atheist. It would depend on the person’s philosophy, leadership skills, experience, etc.
Nothing drives me crazier than the blind stupidity of identity politics.
aero on February 11, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Get a grip, guys! McCain can’t lose at this point – Huck would need 83% of the remaining delegates to dethrone McCain.
What we’re seeing here is former Romney supporters switching to Huck. And while Huck may have had a Liberal record as AR governor, he does not have the record of stabbing the GOP in the back a la McCain. Once Romney dropped out, Huck was the candidate to support, not McCain.
Not that it matters. As it is, you are seeing Dem voters turn out 2:1 to GOP voters. The Conservative base has sat home for far better candidates, such as Dole in 1996, and in 2006, Frist and Hastert. McCain OR Huck can’t get any more!
Question: what happens if McCain fails to attain the threshold?
infidelpride on February 11, 2008 at 1:54 PM
It’ll be much much worse. The media has been giving BHO an extended lapdance for 3 months. It’s the most remarkable thing. The man has no accomplishments and if elected would be the least experienced president ever. but the media treats him, well, like he’s a flawless demi-god. Journalists covering him are either groupies, concubines, or cultists. Even Gore gets more skeptical treatment. If Barry is nominated, barring a mistake or a meltdown, then he’s our next president. McCain can’t beat him running against the networks, the big news outlets, Hollywood and popular culture. Only Clinton can stop him.
Vote Sauron 08 on February 11, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Interesting. The reaction to this story has me wondering if all of those currently ridiculing the “stay home rather than vote for McCain” crowd would be singing the same tune if Huckabee were to be the nominee instead of McCain.
Would all of you who call us traitors for allowing Hillary to win the White House, suddenly be refusing to vote for Huckabee?
Huckabee makes me sick, but I’ve gotta tell you … I’d love to see McCain AND HIS SUPPORTERS put in their place.
GO HUCKABEE!
How ironic. McCain also fits that description just as well.
Gregor on February 11, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Exactly! That is what drives me crazy about anyone supporting Huckabee because he is a “Christian” leader. Gag.
SimplyKimberly on February 11, 2008 at 1:55 PM
An Obama election prevents a Clinton return to power. Hillary is 60 now and in 8 years would be 68 and a crone (No comment)
Hillary and Bill will asked their fellows to sit out in November to have a shot at running against 76 Year old McCain in 4 years. Mark my words Hispanics will be marching to McCain with Clinton promises of better things in 4 years.
William Amos on February 11, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Hopefully Huck’s remaining in the race will create enough bad blood between Mac and Huck to preclude both a VP spot and a cabinet position for Huck if McCain actually wins the general. No Huckabee. Not ever.
phronesis on February 11, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Thanks, William Amos. That’s a relief. But I’m not silly enough to think those numbers will hold for almost a month, so I’m not going to breathe any easier for now.
Please, Virginia, take Huck out now so I don’t have to actively campaign for McCain!
aero on February 11, 2008 at 1:58 PM
It doesn’t matter if Huck if VP, P, SOS, SCOTUS, DS, or plain ol ADD…….it’s gonna be a landslide. There is nothing standing between the White House and the blue paint.
Defeatist? Whatever.
Limerick on February 11, 2008 at 2:00 PM
McCain actually came out about a week ago and said he isnt considering a Southerner for his VP selection.
William Amos on February 11, 2008 at 2:01 PM
By that time McCain will have already been declared the de facto nominee for several months. No matter how disagreeable some of McCain’s views are to conservatives, the Republican party isn’t going to commit electoral suicide by giving it to someone else. Very soon we’re going to see McCain go into general election campaign mode, if not already.
Anyone who thinks that a brokered convention and disdain for McCain would lead to Huckster, Paul, Fred, Mitt or anyone else being nominated is fooling themselves. The majority of Republicans want to win, even if that means holding their noses to nominate McCain.
The only realistic scenario for a candidate other than McCain being nominated at a brokered convention would be if he suffered a catastrophic health failure that prevented him from running.
I don’t much like McCain and don’t feel obligated to vote for him come November, but the sooner certain delusional types around here accept the fact that he’s got the nomination sewn up, the better.
Hollowpoint on February 11, 2008 at 2:01 PM
I hear this a lot. “No Huckabee. Not ever.” Many of those who say it are also the same people who call us traitors for refusing to vote for McCain.
Another interesting and ironic question.
Would those who say they’ll hold their noses and vote for McCain still do so with Huckabee on the ticket for VP? And how many of those would absolutely refuse to “hold their nose” and vote for Huckabee if he were the nominee?
And out of those, how many are currently attacking those of us who refuse to vote for McCain?
Gregor on February 11, 2008 at 2:03 PM
I’m not quite as sure of the Obama victory as I was a couple of days ago, actually. We focus on the ideological battle of the GOP here, but the democrats do have to appeal for votes from moderate/somewhat conservative people too. Lots of those moderate dems are also religious, and will be pretty freaked out by this stuff:
http://www.obamamessiah.blogspot.com/
Yeah, the MSM will do anything it can to hide the scary true-believer kind of Obama supporter in the general election, and Obama himself can tell them to tune it down, but when somebody has caught the evangelical zeal, it’s hard to keep them totally under wraps.
If you have somewhat religious dem friends, really, send them as many of the Obama-Messianic criticisms as possible. His speech in South Carolina is particularly creepy, as was the Oprah speech that led up to it, as Oprah’s speech was based on a TV movie where a blind black woman was seeking the Messiah.
funky chicken on February 11, 2008 at 2:03 PM
The biggest temper tantrum in modern political history.
I think it likely that McCain will get the delegates he needs to get the nomination but that doesn’t mean he’s going to get the support he needs to win.
Votes for Huckabee or other non-McCain candidates are clearly sending the message that the conservatives of the GOP refuse to be marginalized or go away quietly. Guess they didn’t get the memo that the Rudy/McCain wing of the party made some backroom deals to get rid of the social conservatives and “Jesus Freaks” from the party.
highhopes on February 11, 2008 at 2:03 PM
How did it come to this? //smashing head on desk//
Alden Pyle on February 11, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Gregor, I’ve said many times that I will vote for the GOP candidate, be it McCain or Huckabee. I preferred Fred, and Rudy, Hunter, and now McCain. But I will vote for the GOP nominee.
Are you going to do the same?
funky chicken on February 11, 2008 at 2:04 PM
To answer your question, Mr. Gregor, I will vote for McCain…….as long as Huck isn’t on the ticket. Nothing….not even a hammer and sickle stapled to the Stars and Stripes, could get me to vote for that SOB.
Limerick on February 11, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Huck isn’t talking about winning. He is focused on stopping McCain and sending the race to the convention. Rove’s 83% was based on Huck winning. What Rove failed to mention was that Huck needs far less than 83% to halt the Straight Talk Express.
I have read that if Huck were to win Virginia tomorrow, he would need less than 45% of the remaining delegates to stop McCain. And that was calculated before Huck won Kansas.
flyfisher on February 11, 2008 at 2:07 PM
I am not pulling for the Huckster, but it sure would be fun to watch Maverick get kicked in the frank and beans.
McShamnesty needs a lesson in humility and reality….either he starts seriously addressing the conservative movement or he is going to be owned by one of the two liberal tools still in the game.
David in ATL on February 11, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Huckabee winning Texas against McCain is a very real possibility. Texas is very heavily Southern Baptist / other Baptist territory. The Southwestern Baptist Seminary is in Fort Worth, there is a Baptist church on approximately every other corner and McCain’s amnesty history carries a very high negative value in Texas for obvious reasons. Not prdicting, just saying.
maxine on February 11, 2008 at 2:07 PM
I don’t know how wide spread this is, but I’m hearing from family members that they will vote for Huckabee tomorrow. They’re doing so as a rebuke to McCain. Did I tell you I live in Virginia?
coffee260 on February 11, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Make no mistake, Gregor. I’m no fan of McCain’s. At all. But I think Huckabee is far, far worse. At least McCain can find Pakistan on a map and knows what’s going on there. At least McCain would be a credible Commander in Chief. They both suck on the economy. They’re both fine on most social issues. But McCain blows Huckabee out of the water on foreign policy. Huck is horrifyingly ignorant about global affairs. He scares the crap out of me–even more than McCain, Clinton, or Obama do. So yeah, I’d reluctantly vote for McCain in the general, but I would have to leave the prez choice blank on the ballot if it’s Huckabee.
I’ll fight for conservatives in the House and Senate for now and a conservative prez candidate in 2012. Dem turnout in the primaries this year indicates pretty strongly that we’re doomed in the presidential race almost no matter what. Barring some dramatic event between now and November that changes the entire political landscape, I don’t see how anyone could have pulled this off for Republicans. But I will not do anything that might help Huckabee. The man’s a menace.
aero on February 11, 2008 at 2:09 PM
“Sure, John…I’ll stay in to draw off votes from Romney, just like you asked.”
(sotto voce) “…and then I’ll steal the nomination right out from under your nose.”
Huck, you magnificent bastard!
James on February 11, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Yeah, because (excluding Florida) McCain’s done so well in Southern primaries due to his charisma and positions on the issues. Lindsey Graham must be crushed that his mini-McCain fawning didn’t pay off.
I think he’s likely to pick another left-of-center RINO from a big blue state. Rudy to counter the Clinton effect in NY, for example. McCain has decided to say “screw you” to social conservatives and that means he can say “screw the South.” His strategy is clearly to draw off Democrat voters instead of working with the grassroots conservative Republican vote. It’s likely to bite him in the behind, IMO.
highhopes on February 11, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Slublog on February 11, 2008 at 1:41 PM
It seems Christian Scientists refrain from a negative thought spoken aloud in order to prevent that thought momentum to become an act or thing. Zen?
maverick muse on February 11, 2008 at 2:10 PM
What can I say, man? Get a softer desk or a harder head because you’ll doing quite a lot of smashing during President Obama’s term. A lot.
Vote Sauron 08 on February 11, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Amen!
Drtuddle on February 11, 2008 at 2:10 PM
I guess I didn’t get the memo when Huckabee’s Christian Socialism became part of the Republican Party’s platform.
phronesis on February 11, 2008 at 2:11 PM
My family is hoping that Romney is on the ballot in Virginia to send that same message to Juan and the liberals who continually trash social conservatives.
highhopes on February 11, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Crap. Spanking McCain is one thing, but jumping from the frying pan into the fire is quite another. If voters in every remaining state from here on out remain determined to “rebuke” McCain, there’s the teeniest-tiniest possibility that Huckabee could actually pull this thing off. Please tell your family to think carefully about their desire to spank McCain and consider whether they really want Huck more than Mack.
aero on February 11, 2008 at 2:13 PM
I consider it exposure therapy.
Slublog on February 11, 2008 at 2:13 PM
How sad is it when Huckabee has me rooting for…McCain.
amerpundit on February 11, 2008 at 1:37 PM
No, what’s sad is, that McCain is so bad that he has me almost rooting for Huckabee.
duff65 on February 11, 2008 at 2:13 PM
pilamaye on February 11, 2008 at 1:52 PM
As if McCain gave Bush a hard time in comparison.
maverick muse on February 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM
We just disagree. I do not believe McCain would emerge as the nominee from a brokered convention. Has the guy won even one red state? I don’t see Huck emerging either.
If, and I admit it’s a big if, Huck could force a brokered convention, wouldn’t the big lesson of this primary season be: RINO’s Need Not Apply ? It might be worth it just to get that message across once and for all. The Schwarzenaggers, the Hagels, the McCains of this world need to understand where the heart and soul of the party is–and, it’s not with them.
flyfisher on February 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM
Ditto
TOPV on February 11, 2008 at 2:15 PM
This is what happens when pastors tell their Bible-thumping congregation to vote for someone.
The Huckster is scamming the rubes into thinking he’s in this for Jesus, when the Good Lord knows he’s actually in this only for himself. Judgement Day will not be pretty for Mike Huckabee.
McCain needs to keep working & campaigning and get rid of this douchebag once and for all.
bigred on February 11, 2008 at 2:15 PM
And independents. It appears the dems consider Huckster an even softer target than McCain. Our best chance is that the DNC allow Florida and Michigan delegates to count, and that superdelegates all fall in line for Hillary with the resulting backlash from Messiah groupies in the general. If you squint real hard there is that glimmer of light way down in the tunnel. Otherwise, bumpkis.
a capella on February 11, 2008 at 2:16 PM
John King on CNN had a very interesting observation the other day. He said that Huckabee could win every single primary and caucus from here on out, with 50% and McCain at 45%, Huckabee would still come short and it would put McCain over the top of 1191. So I don’t think McCain should worry quite yet.
Here is another poll by ARG that doesn’t show that swing. But Huckabee has been campaigning hard in Virginia
Complete7 on February 11, 2008 at 2:17 PM
The only poll that matters is the final vote. All I know is that, come November, McCain’s old man status quo monotone will have no chance against a messianic obamanator.
locomotivebreath1901 on February 11, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Huckabee’s support is based on being the anti-McCain choice. I’d be very worried if I thought that there was any chance the GOP is about to toss over a vile dinosaur for a faux-Christian. I see very little difference between McCain and Huckabee on the issues except for style and the fact that Huckabee doesn’t have a Senate voting record. That didn’t stop him from endorsing McCain-Kennedy amnesty.
My candidate was Romney for months ahead of Super Tuesday. I still think he would have been the right choice to balance out the anti-Christian anti-social conservatism intolerance of the Rudy/McCain wing while not tipping too far to the right into Ron Paul territory.
highhopes on February 11, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Wow. If the Republican Party actually did that, it could spend a few decades wandering the political wilderness until it learned its lesson–if the Dems were to leave us a country.
thuja on February 11, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Fred looked so exhausted when he withdrew; so sad it went that way, and that he’s still absent. It’s too wierd being left with Huckabee stuck between McCain’s cheeks.
Direct sunlight, open air, oxygen.
Miconazole nitrate
maverick muse on February 11, 2008 at 2:22 PM
ROTFL!
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 2:23 PM
So you think the way to win is to move left?
flyfisher on February 11, 2008 at 2:24 PM
Yeah, he kind of disappeared, didn’t he?
Slublog on February 11, 2008 at 2:24 PM
Looks like fried squirrel may be on the GOP convention menu. Huckster vs Obama,..a man from Hope versus a man selling hope. Both Christians, both want what is best for all mankind. Obama wants to bomb Pakistan, Huck can’t find it on a map. Obama wants a health system like Cuba’s, Huck just wants to sell Cuba rice from Arkansas.
a capella on February 11, 2008 at 2:27 PM
Wrong. Huck was not McCain’s wingman in West Virginia. It was 100% McCain’s doing that he asked his own people to vote for Huckabee so that Romney wouldn’t win the delegates. McCain will rue the day he did that.
McCain might (but probably won’t) ask Huckabee to quit the race in return for a VP nod, but Huckabee has no interest in that and wouldn’t accept it if offered.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 2:28 PM
I’m using my vote tomorrow to write in Jenna Bush. If we can’t have someone we want, might as well go for the twofer of having the left explode with rage and having someone nice to look at.
Defense Guy on February 11, 2008 at 2:28 PM
Fred looked so exhausted when he withdrew; so sad it went that way, and that he’s still absent.
The problem is the “totally stupid” way we have started choosing the nominee. It has become a $ and endurance contest instead of record and position contest. Fred was by far the best candidate but the voters have left us with Mc and Huck.
duff65 on February 11, 2008 at 2:30 PM
The Obama / Huckabee debates would be awesome
H: Yeah, well, you want to bomb Pakistan, our ally in the WoT
O: You can’t even find Pakistan on a map!
H: Which means I won’t be bombing it!
Defense Guy on February 11, 2008 at 2:30 PM
The Obama / Huckabee debates would be awesome
H: Yeah, well, you want to bomb Pakistan, our ally in the WoT
O: You can’t even find Pakistan on a map!
H: Which means I won’t be bombing it!
Defense Guy on February 11, 2008 at 2:30 PM
That about sums it up. Very well said.
duff65 on February 11, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Probably not, but he can’t take this stuff lightly either. The convention is supposed to unite the party behind one guy. Imagine the effect of a convention where McCain barely gets the number of delegates to “win,” the supporters of the #2 guy demanding a huge role in the ticket because of the candidate’s strength, and a lot of dour Republicans p*ssed off because the party has been hijacked by a bunch of Democrat wannabes.
I can easily see the circumstances where McCain wins and loses at the same time. Muttering “I won, support me damnit!” as social conservatives don’t vote in the Presidential race.
highhopes on February 11, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Let’s see… In Virginia tomorrow, I get the choice of McCain or Huckabee. Or I could go for Obama or Clinton. This is democracy?
NNtrancer on February 11, 2008 at 2:33 PM
My spouse echoed the anger yesterday afternoon written by others here, wanting a refund.
I don’t doubt Fred’s sincerity. I just wish he’d enter stage right about now and voice our concerns for us like we wanted him to in the first place. At this point, too many “conservatives” were way off on the insults to expect anything at all publically from Fred, United! Still, I can wish. Zen?
maverick muse on February 11, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Yep. A contest between Dumb and Dumber (and it’s not clear which one is which).
AZCoyote on February 11, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Fred was my first choice. But there is no way that he would win the nomination at the convention. However, a combined Huckabee/Thomspson ticket is a winner.
As I said last week:
Huckabee/Thompson defeats Obama/Edwards in November.
ITookTheRedPill on February 11, 2008 at 2:39 PM
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