Ron Paul to return home
posted at 2:02 pm on February 9, 2008 by Michelle
He may not be formally pulling out yet, but Ron Paul is most definitely pulling back. Seems he’s feeling the heat in his home district. Time to cut back on the Alex Jones radio appearances, and focus more on his constituents back in Texas:
Presidential hopeful Ron Paul said he will not run as a third-party candidate in a new message to supporters that seems to recognize his slim chances at getting the Republican nomination.
The Texas congressman wrote on his Web site Friday that he is making cuts to his national campaign staff and that he must also stay focused on not losing the primary for his House seat.
Paul began Saturday with just 14 delegates for the Republican nomination that John McCain, with 719 delegates, has all but officially secured. Mitt Romney dropped out of the race Thursday, and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has 198 delegates. A total of 1,191 delegates are needed to secure the GOP nomination.
“With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero,” Paul wrote. “But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get.”
Paul wrote that while he does not denigrate third parties he is committed to staying a Republican. His campaign supports low taxes and reduced government spending.
Paul’s latest entry on his Web site also included a request that supporters not neglect his other “priority,” which is making sure that the 10-term congressman remains in office.
Here’s the message on his campaign site, which opens with a quote from…Trotsky: “If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent.” And ends: “The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me.”
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@ amerpundit on February 9, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Again, your evidence is compelling, but completely circumstantial. Maybe Qutb did teach OBL to dislike America greatly, but the call to arms against America seems to be, from everything gathered, our involvement in the middle east and especially with Israel. I dont understand why you are so against thinking its because we are involved in the middle east that he hates us. You know it doesnt make the US culpable or wrong in any way. Its just a reason for his hatred.
muyoso on February 9, 2008 at 4:17 PM
@ packsoldier on February 9, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Usually, when trying to build a worldwide movement, a leader of that movement would try to grow locally before he would begin to attack its biggest obstacle. You know, maybe begin with Africa and Asia and Europe, get a good solid foothold, and then begin to attack America???
muyoso on February 9, 2008 at 4:19 PM
its hilarous to hear this Chomsky/Kucinich allies like the Paultard blame America for Terrorism.
The same logic of the Far left kooks like Chomsky/Kucinich is also applied to Criminals. Its nevre the criminals fault for their crimes, its always “Society” who made them do it….
far left and far right kooks merge and argue for national suicide, yet too stupid to understand it.
jp on February 9, 2008 at 4:20 PM
to grandpoobah malkin, the malfeasant:
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time to stop acting like you’re all growed up and openly accept the lack of honesty you were accursed to bear in this life.
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the giddy attempts to pack in “Alex Jones radio appearances” and “quote from…Trotsky” are effective in persuading citizen dolt, but still miss a cutting edge…
…consider a gimmick: a cackle may just complete your brand.
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http://zeromotivation.com/why_they_attacked_us.html
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you offer a lot of ideas to your cult, and i can see why the old sexual predator and loofah fetishist would want to promote you on his cable program.
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while i understand how others may want to repel the ideas you promote for a general lack of research and whole truth approach, i do find that your writings serve a purpose.
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yes, your words and ideas are useful…
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…for me to poop on…
number9 on February 9, 2008 at 4:20 PM
@ jp on February 9, 2008 at 4:16 PM
I said come around greatly. I didnt say she supports him, you moron. You seem to have a real problem with reading comprehension, as I remember from the old days of explaining simple concepts of RP to you.
muyoso on February 9, 2008 at 4:21 PM
idiot, they are attacking in those countries as we speak and have been. They are literally at war and committing Jihad attacks all over the world and anywhere that is “non-Islam” and part of the “House of War”, trying to bring it into the “house of Islam”
jp on February 9, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Of course it is, muyoso. If he said he wants people to blow themselves up because of Qutb’s teaching, it’d be him and Zawahiri sitting around with their thumbs up their butts.
David Koresh taught his people the U.S. government was their enemy, that God told him he had to procreate with the women in the group, that only he could have sexual relations wit the women, and that all marriages had to be resolved.
amerpundit on February 9, 2008 at 4:22 PM
@ jp on February 9, 2008 at 4:20 PM
I really dislike people like you. YOu are so disingenuous. Its not blaming America for terrorism to state that our involvement in Israel causes some crazies to want to attack us. That isnt BLAMING America. Only in your world is it blaming America. You are absolutely no different than liberals to claim that those who dont support welfare hate the poor.
muyoso on February 9, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Ron’s campaign will be important because it solidified a very generous and active constituency. Ron’s campaign caught fire rather spontaneously, compared to what most early supporters ever thought would happen. Now that this constituency knows that it exists and how much it is capable of raising and doing, planning becomes possible. Future candidates will benefit from this, both on the presidential and congressional level. While Fred was struggling to gas up his truck, Paul got the same amount on off days. As the economy continues to hit the skids, with a very volatile market, stagnant growth, diminished manufacturing, and deficit spending, welfare warfare state fatigue will set in and the electorate will eventually become open to classical liberalism. The way I see it McCain will lose horribly to Obama and Obama will be a failure, thus alienating the ideological left and the Democrats will be in the same position that the Republicans are currently in. Romney will not win the nomination in 2012. Faux conservatism will be defeated by then. Also the internet will be more widely used by then. Once idiots turn off the tube and stop buying the pre packaged emotional rants on talk radio, they can begin to learn.
LevStrauss on February 9, 2008 at 4:23 PM
@ amerpundit on February 9, 2008 at 4:22 PM
I still dont understand why you are unwilling to admit that some of our policies in the middle east could have been what OBL used to justify hating and attacking the USA.
muyoso on February 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM
@ jp on February 9, 2008 at 4:21 PM
You are very willing to throw around words like idiot and moron. You might want to tone down your internet hostility a notch or two. As for your argument, garbage as always.
muyoso on February 9, 2008 at 4:26 PM
jp on February 9, 2008 at 4:27 PM
The Blimp apparantly suffered an injury somewhere in VA and is leaking so much air can only fly for a few hours at a time. Rather like Ron Paul’s campaign it seems.
Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 4:28 PM
They have attacked those places. Its first known terror attack was in Yemen. It killed a Yemeni and Australian. Their goal? To stop Americans from taking part in an international relief effort for the famine in Somalia.
amerpundit on February 9, 2008 at 4:28 PM
This seems to be on the right track, but I would have said, “It’s important to understand an enemy, so as to be able to destroy him.” His reasons for hating the Americans have, at most, the same status as his GPS coordinates.
Kralizec on February 9, 2008 at 4:29 PM
To accept your assumption, one must accept that he doesn’t regard the umma as key. Which has been used as an Islamic justification for international terror. I also don’t see how you are rectifying his stated desire of restoring the caliphate by saying he doesn’t care about part of it. I suggest you are oversimplifying simply for rhetorical purposes.
Spirit of 1776 on February 9, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Pot, meet kettle.
db on February 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM
dEVOLution.
http://tralfaz-archives.com/coverart/D/devo_devob.jpg
digitalintrigue on February 9, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Looks like the kids are out of school today…
d1carter on February 9, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Hmmm. Sounds like a kamikaze run to me. But, you go right ahead. Don’t just slip one in and stop.
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 4:41 PM
Where did this one crawl in from? Or out of…
See, that’s what really went wrong with the Paul campaign…that his loud, vocal core support are a bunch of poll-spamming truther types. Or the “blame America’s foreign policy” crowd.
T’was Paul’s support that undermined him.
JetBoy on February 9, 2008 at 4:46 PM
re: “…a ka.m!.k@z3 run…”
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last time i buy a refurbished tinfoil hat…
number9 on February 9, 2008 at 4:49 PM
number9 looks like he’s been drinking some of that old number seven….
d1carter on February 9, 2008 at 5:05 PM
I can only hope the TX GOP finds somebody with no Stormfront connections to run against him, and soon. What an embarrassment to the Republican Party that this guy has been elected under the party’s auspices for over 20 years, during most of which he was publishing a racist, anti-semitic “newsletter” for his friends.
funky chicken on February 9, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Oh….just read the thread. Get me some haldol, STAT.
funky chicken on February 9, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Look out funky, the Paultards will soon be swarming all over that.
Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 5:51 PM
number9 on February 9, 2008 at 4:20 PM
A Ron Paul supporter behaving like an obnoxious douche? What a surprise…
packsoldier on February 9, 2008 at 5:59 PM
People in Glass conspiracies shouldnt throw rocks
William Amos on February 9, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Who is Ron Paul?
Is he the clown the “brilliant” folks at the RNC allowed to participate in the repub debates? If so, I should assume the same RNC dorks decided McShamnesty would be a good President. Great job guys ….. I have finally found an organization that is less effective than the Federal gov’t.
David in ATL on February 9, 2008 at 6:20 PM
pax, bring em on! The dem party may have Barbara Lee and used to have crazy Cynthia from Atlanta (where a highway bears her name, no less). But unfortunately the GOP seems to have some cranks of its own.
It’s really hard to donate to a party that proudly encouraged Mark Foley to run for reelection (when he was going to retire before the bigwigs persuaded him to stick around) and Wide-stance Craig.
One reason Tom Delay hates McCain is that McCain called for him to step down when he was indicted. McCain called for Wide-stance to retire as well. Thus the “not a team player” accusations lobbed by Limbaugh et al.
funky chicken on February 9, 2008 at 6:21 PM
jp…spouting off your ignorance as usual…
First, it’s not all about gold…it’s about what the constitution defines as money: silver and gold (weights), not the paper stuff backed by gold ala the depression era. It was the Federal Reserve failure that caused the depression.
Second, the real problem IS the existence of the Federal Reserve and the hidden tax of inflation they force upon We The People via the fiat money they create out of thin air.
History and economic lesson over. You’re free to go back to your support of the warmongering “New” Republican party that will lose by a landslide because those who support their platform are ignorant like you.
Fed Up on February 9, 2008 at 6:31 PM
myuso and LevStrauss….good job in battling out with these ignorant neocons….who will reap what they sow come November…
Fed Up on February 9, 2008 at 6:32 PM
I wonder what RP talks about with his patients during routine exams. My wife tells me that type of visit isn’t pleasant anyway. I suppose the gold standard or legalizing drugs would be a good bet. The visual isn’t pretty.
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Mike Huckabee Speaks to CPAC – 2/9/2008
ITookTheRedPill on February 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Time for Hail Bop to come back already?!! My how time flies.
Bicyea on February 9, 2008 at 6:57 PM
they already have one who is running against him in primary, chris peden I think is his name.
jp on February 9, 2008 at 7:08 PM
War mongering neocons…Unite! Onward!
JetBoy on February 9, 2008 at 7:10 PM
http://nowaymccain.com/
Fed Up on February 9, 2008 at 7:11 PM
E.T. phone home………
Alright, now can one of you Ron Paul jokers please come and clean up the “rEVOLution” sign you spray painted on my house?
(Yes, that was a joke.)
Hawkins1701 on February 9, 2008 at 7:36 PM
War mongering neocons…Unite! Onward!
JetBoy on February 9, 2008 at 7:10 PM
Hey Jetboy, how about we start by organising a RonPaultardREVULsion campaign to defeat him in his own congressional primary? If these Paultards are determined to foist Hussain and Hillary on us, the glee at seeing this crank out of Congress would be some compensation.
He claims on his site ‘I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas.’
Looks like some of his constituents might be reacting with glee too:
‘Chris Peden is now fighting to replace Ron Paul in Congress, on the basic premise that people who live in District 14 actually deserve an elected representative who cares more about looking out for their interests in D.C. than trying to persuade a bunch of dope-smoking, Kucinich-loving college students in Seattle that America’s problems are the result of a flawed monetary policy controlled by a wealthy and secretive elite.’
Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Rep Ron Paul is, essentially, withdrawing his presidential campaign because his own seat in the House feels threatened? I hadn’t heard about him since even before Super-Duper-Mega-Ultra-Infinite Tuesday. This is the first news I’ve heard about him doing anything.
Best news I’ve heard about him yet.
Speaking of which, if I could pass a law pertaining to elections, I would mandate congressional reps to resign before they join the nomination process. I think it would help prevent stuff like with Rep Ron Paul where he knew he had a long shot, but was in the race to “send a message” or something (not sure about what though).
Weebork on February 9, 2008 at 8:45 PM
God, they play an RP ad evey 5 minutes here in his district.
I decided to vote for the whacko in the primary since he is the only thing near conservative.
But I am writing in Fred in the general.
Booyakasha!
TheSitRep on February 9, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Perhaps we don’t give Herr Doktor enough credit.
I submit RP knew all along he didn’t have a chance of winning the Repub nom. Perhaps he has drummed up all this support with the intent to save his congressional seat. How’s that for a conspiracy theory you hive-minded Paulestinians?
A full blown grassroots effort. Now with nothing to do towards the Oval Office – what better way to keep the hive busy?
He now has a nationwide “army” of fanatics he can use to attack his competition. Something he would not have had otherwise? And fundraising? Now these people have somewhere else they can send their donations now that the Presidential bid has dried up.
He is facing a stiff challenge. I hope he does loose. Isn’t that one of the tenets of RP? He isn’t a true “Washington Insider”? Yet what’s he trying to do, hold onto his congressional seat where he’s been homesteading for 12 years now? How is that being an outsider?
Of course he’s just trying to “speak truth to power” right Paulborg? If it were anyone else doing what RP is now, you guys would be all over them calling for their blood.
Why don’t you guys analyze the 9/11 attack videos some more, toke up a dube, get your gnarly munch on and leave the adult stuff alone?!
catmman on February 9, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Ron? Ron Paul? Xenu on line one; you left the stove on, you need to go back home.
Montana on February 9, 2008 at 10:31 PM
@ catmman on February 9, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Your post would be better if you knew the difference between loose and lose. I dont think Ron Paul cares if he looses at all.
muyoso on February 9, 2008 at 10:42 PM
re: “…anyone else doing what RP is now, you guys would be all over them…”
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i think you really caught on to the whole ruse mr. paul tried to pull…
you’re a sharp one… ol’ doc has refused to take that obscenely generous congressional pension for 20 years – and now you just went and blew the whole cover…
number9 on February 9, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Ron Paul speaking at CPAC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l8AIuJJRZo&feature=PlayList&p=7C02EA0A81B668FD&index=0&playnext=1
Great speach, too bad HA wouldnt post it.
muyoso on February 9, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Will be working at Blimpies next Monday.
Would you like isolationism with your shake?
profitsbeard on February 9, 2008 at 10:56 PM
No, I prefer the anti-semitism please.
If this crank is so against government power, he needs to retire.
funky chicken on February 9, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Thank you Jesus!
Winebabe on February 10, 2008 at 12:40 AM
Like Allah’s headline:
rEVOLution = REVOlution
Hopefully, that goes for his TX district, too.
silverfox on February 10, 2008 at 2:37 AM
Didn’t Ron Paul play Freddy Krueger in “Nightmare”?
labrat on February 10, 2008 at 3:45 AM
Professor Blather will be devastated…about the blimp that is.
Heh
Why doesn’t Paul become an Independent like Lieberman?
Paul/Nader ’08? HA!
kiakjones on February 10, 2008 at 6:32 AM
How do you explain Jihadis killing Buddhists in Thailand, does Thailand support Israel? How about Darfur? Do you honestly believe that if there were no Israel that the Jihadis everywhere would lay down their swords and play nice with the infidels for the first time in 1400 years? The ‘crazies’ you talk about aren’t going to become sane if we pull out, close up shop and bury our heads in the sand. I don’t know what the answer is but it certainly isn’t locking the door and hiding and hoping they go away
Keli on February 10, 2008 at 7:56 AM
That there is the problem. They have been at war with the west from the beginning of their flea bitten hybrid religion. That is something Paul will not take into account. If it wasn’t Israel, it would be something else. Like I have always said with these Libertarians, I was against us going into Iraq in the first place, but I got behind the effort when AQ decided to make Iraq their battlefront. Sure, they talk about how wrong and evil Osama Bin Laden and his merry men are, but when AQ is killing our troops that would rather appease AQ then pull out all the stops and kill every last on of them SOB’s.
RobertInAustin on February 10, 2008 at 8:32 AM
“The revolution is permanent”: A favorite saying of communists and fascists alike. And they are four words which go very far to explain the bloody 20th century. (As well as the cataclysmic French Revolution.)
It seems an odd thing for a supposed libertarian to cite, especially considering that Trotsky was founder of the brutal Red Army (talk about an interventionist foreign policy!!). But then again, since Dr. Paul uses the quote in tandem with, “The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me,” a clearer picture of his movement comes into view. Maybe Dr. Paul will begin advocating the Trotskyite practice of political commissars so that we know who exactly the neocons, warmongers, etc. are.
Quoting Trotsky approvingly is like quoting Himmler or Che. Doing so either betrays motive or ignorance. (And here’s a little hint: “Work shall set you free” also is not as good as it sounds.)
scatbug on February 10, 2008 at 11:46 AM
I wish someone had told the Paultards he was pulling back.
I was driving through my gated community yesterday and saw a great big ol’ truck with RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT on the side. My first thought was that the resident was a paultard and I should break out the paintball gun and pepper it, just on general principle.
I turned the corner and there was a group of kids that might have just turned 18 gathered at the corner. I observed them for a moment and as they began to disperse, and head toward doors, I advanced.
Being raised in a military household, I can bellow like a drill Sargent when necessary.
I got between the two groups and bellowed:
HEY! What are y’all doing on private property?
They were like, Um hey. We are here to stump for Ron Paul.
I took their leader to the gate which is clearly marked with a No Solicitation sign and told them You have three minutes to remove everyone of your group from the community.
The IDIOTS decided that I was infringing on their right to free speech and wanted to argue. I had to explain the concept of private property and criminal tresspass
I looked at my watch and told them
HEY, you are down to a minute and a half. All I have to do is press a button on my phone and we’ll let the cops deal with you.
They decided to leave at that point. They all piled into the truck, screaming that I was a Dirty Communist!
GAH!
Talk about close encounters!
MITX on February 10, 2008 at 1:21 PM
And what you ignorant folks don’t realize is al Qaeda was created out of thin air just like the U.S. dollar.
Did the “Old” Republican party have “warmongering” in its platform?
9/11 oh, that’s right…al Qaeda is to blame! You forget about the Taliban?
Al Qaeda is the reason we’re in Iraq now right?
Al Qaeda killed Bhutto right?
Al Qaeda is the reason the Cubs haven’t won the World Series in 100 years!
God save us from al Qaeda! Please take away our liberty some more so government can protect us! We need a stonger Patriot Act!
In case you didn’t know:
The BBC, non-partisan, Documentary, “The Power of Nightmares” addresses the beginnings of the term “Al Qaeda.”
In the video, which you can find on youtube, top ranking CIA operatives admit that al-Qaeda is a complete and total fabrication by the CIA. They plainly state that NO SUCH ORGANIZATION HAS EVER EXISTED AT ANY TIME. The fantasy was spun in January 2001 by Jamal al Fadl, a Sudanese who had been with Bin Laden in the early 1990s. Jamal al Fadl stole money from Bin Laden, and then sought protection in the USA. The FBI and CIA paid him hundreds of thousands of dollars to create the al-Qaeda fiction. In fact, al Fadl invented the name al-Qaeda.
Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_al-Fadl
But keep believing the propoganda spewing from your neocon media. In the meantime, I’ll keep watching my Cubbies and cursing al Qaeda and the goat!
Fed Up on February 10, 2008 at 1:34 PM
In all honesty, what liberties have you lost?
JetBoy on February 10, 2008 at 3:39 PM
I see the mothership has landed for the Paulies
William Amos on February 10, 2008 at 3:54 PM
The liberty to buy policy decisions and legislation.
Pax americana on February 10, 2008 at 3:54 PM
“The Patriot Act waters down the Fourth amendment by expanding the federal government’s ability to use wiretaps without judicial oversight. The requirement of a search warrant and probable cause strikes a balance between effective law enforcement and civil liberties. Any attempt to dilute the warrant requirement threatens innocent citizens with a loss of their liberty. This is particularly true of provisions that allow for issuance of nationwide search warrants that are not specific to any given location, nor subject to any local judicial oversight.
The Act makes it far easier for the government to monitor your internet usage by adopting a lower standard than probable cause for intercepting e-mails and internet communications. I wonder how my congressional colleagues would feel if all of their e-mail headings and the names of the web sites they visited were available to law enforcement upon a showing of mere “relevance.””
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst050205.htm
Fed Up on February 10, 2008 at 4:30 PM
I see the ingoramus of Malkin’s site still attack the supporters, but never the message.
Fed Up on February 10, 2008 at 4:32 PM
your not a libertarian, your suicidal. The 4th Amendment purposefully places the word “Unreasonable” in it for a reason.
the Federalist Society had a debate on FISA, notice that the side of the founding fathers and the constiuttion is the side Bush is on. And the side trashing the Constitution is the side Paul and “libertarians” are on. Congress is the one’s that have acted “unconstitutionally” and its a self=parody to see so called “libertarians” argue in favor of Secret Courts. And to continue the Libs crusade against a patriarchal branch like the Executive.
http://www.fed-soc.org/debates/dbtid.13/default.asp
and National Security is a Civil Liberty, so unless you think there are no terrorist in sleeper cells, here plotting attacks(i.e. an idiot and/or conspiracy theorist) you don’t have a leg to stand on.) I’ve yet to meet one person whose ‘lost liberty’ since 9/11, but i’ve seen a whole nation gain liberty in the regards of National Security.
jp on February 10, 2008 at 5:44 PM
I have given up talking message with Paulies because they are dishonest debaters and refused to even conceed that their man is completely loony. Every debate turns into one vast conspiracy mongering demogoguery
William Amos on February 10, 2008 at 6:32 PM
But…but…William Amos,the Luap Norians are absolutely correct about everyone losing their civil liberties! I mean, they’re not able to get their Message out, whatsover. It’s just terrible what has happened to the country, it really is! I mean, when’s the last time that you saw a campaign-sign for Ron Paul?!? When’s the last time you heard Ron Paulian disciples spew forth their Great Leader’s views? When’s the last time you saw a Ron Paul political ad on TV? Oh…I saw one about an hour ago on the History Channel…never mind, then.
Maybe this means we are just discriminating political animals, and not the imbecilic automatons that Ron Paulians take us for….maybe the Ron Paulians are the ones with the mental problems? Naah…
dmh0667 on February 10, 2008 at 7:40 PM
@ Keli on February 10, 2008 at 7:56 AM
How do I explain it? There is a giant population of muslims in those countries, and by living side by side, there are tensions forming due to the muslim’s religion. That is why they attack countried like Indonesia, Thailand, etc. They see it as their “culture” is being spoiled or something crazy like that. We DONT have that problem in America. There isnt a large population of muslims living here. There is no reason for muslims to be anti-America, other than our foreign policy.
muyoso on February 10, 2008 at 7:55 PM
@ William Amos on February 10, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Wouldn’t even concede that our man was totally loony? Wouldnt you want to say something like, wouldnt even concede that Ron Paul has some flaws, to use the modifier “even”?
muyoso on February 10, 2008 at 7:57 PM
This was just a ploy by the Bilderbergers to lull the Paulians into a false sense of security. As we speak Baron Rothschild is leading a crackdown on this kind of excess, and has forced their Great Leader to return to Texas.
Pax americana on February 10, 2008 at 8:12 PM
No, America is a land of Dar-al-Harb, where the harbi or kufr are still dominant. The Dar-al-Harb is by its very nature at war with Allah, because it has not yet submitted to his will. Until you understand the theology which underpins traditional Islam, you will not understand why they hate us.
Try reading Robert Spencer’s excellent series on the Kor’an here on HotAir – there’s another instalment today.
Pax americana on February 10, 2008 at 8:23 PM
True I had to get one more dig in with my comments. My point really was that Paul is more than a little flawed but that doesnt matter to his backers who want him based on really one or two issues at best.
William Amos on February 10, 2008 at 9:01 PM
So the war loving neocon jp calls me “suicidal?” …
It’s interesting the guy whose side you take is a member of the CFR and didn’t even mention the 4th amendment until his third arguement. Always an afterthought for these folks! Then you try to make one believe that you have the almighty power of actually knowing what our Founding Fathers thought by saying they took the side of Bush…. Let’s see…do I take the side of Bush and his CFR cronies, who have repeatedly lied to the People (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/unmovic/2003/0530wmdexcuse.htm), or the side of non-CFR Constitutional experts like Judge Andrew Napolitano http://www.judgenap.com/ (even your beloved Bill O’Reily and Rush Limbaugh like this guy) or Edwin Vieira http://newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin28.htm – These people speak the truth without hidden agendas like those manufactured by the CFR clan.
Read the transcript from the Fox News, Sheppard Smith interview with the good judge Napolitano:
“Americans who are not in a self imposed coma are aware that Congress has once again shredded the Fourth and Fifth Amendments with their recent vote to extend certain provisions of the un-Patriot Act. The only problem is, the Constitution must be amended, not changed, altered or nullified depending on the vicissitudes dictated by political corruption. The day following the vote I watched Judge Andrew Napolitano attempt to explain to that silly fop on FOX News, Shepard Smith, what Congress in fact did with this latest shot at the Constitution. Here’s what the feds think they’re going to get away with; this is a verbatim transcript from the aforementioned segment:
“Napolitano: Well, I have learned that the Patriot Act, in the name of fighting terrorism, allows agents to do things that we’ve never allowed them to do in the history of the United States.
“Smith: For instance?
“Napolitano: For instance, to read our mail without us knowing it and without getting a search warrant. They can go to the post office, they can write their own search warrant and require the post office to give them your mail……
“Smith: …..without a judge….
“Napolitano: Without a judge involved at all. They can go to your bank, your lawyer, your doctor, your accountant, your computer server, your telephone company, again (his emphasis) without a search warrant from a judge, but with their own, self hand written search warrant and require those people, who keep confidential information on all Americans, to turn that over. You may say, ‘Well, my doctor would call me, my banker would call me.’
“Well….no. They will tell the person to whom they’re giving the self written search warrant it’s a felony for them to speak to anyone about it. They can’t tell their spouse, they can’t tell their lawyer. They can’t even tell a Federal Judge in a Federal Judge’s courtroom that they have been the recipient of one of these search warrants. That, of course, prevents them from challenging it for a year. We are not accustomed in this country to having that kind of power in the hands of federal agents.
“We have always put a neutral judge between the government agent and the target of that agent. The Patriot Act changes that.
*(skip to war on terror issue…)
“Smith: But not on terror?
“Napolitano: But not on terror. They have done their best to keep evidence obtained under the Patriot Act from being introduced into Federal court because they don’t want a Federal Judge to find the Patriot Act unconstitutional. Now, five Federal Judges have ruled on it so far, two appointed by President George H.W. Bush. All five have found it unconstitutional. They’ve found the self written search warrant aspect unconstitutional. They found the part that says ‘thou shall not speak’ unconstitutional. It violates the first amendment.
“But the Justice Department keeps enforcing it and the Congress has just made it stronger, made it more difficult for people targeted under the Patriot Act, whether it’s acts of terror or whatever (Comment: Yeah, too bad if you fall under that ‘whatever’ category) to challenge the government’s behavior.
“Smith: What’s the fear?
“Napolitano: The fear is that Government Agents, without the restraint of a judge, will have too much power and will violate the rights that the Constitution guarantees us. Remember, we wrote the 4th Amendment because British soldiers had the right to write their own search warrants, we didn’t want any of that. 200 years later we’re back where we started.”
Now come back with something brilliant jp…
Fed Up on February 10, 2008 at 9:34 PM
So the war loving neocon jp calls me “suicidal?” …
It’s interesting the guy whose side you take is a member of the CFR and didn’t even mention the 4th amendment until his third arguement. Always an afterthought for these folks! Then you try to make one believe that you have the almighty power of actually knowing what our Founding Fathers thought by saying they took the side of Bush…. Let’s see…do I take the side of Bush and his CFR cronies, who have repeatedly lied to the People (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/unmovic/2003/0530wmdexcuse.htm), or the side of non-CFR Constitutional experts like Judge Andrew Napolitano http://www.judgenap.com/ (even your beloved Bill O’Reily and Rush Limbaugh like this guy) or Edwin Vieira http://newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin28.htm – These people speak the truth without hidden agendas like those manufactured by the CFR clan.
Read the transcript from the Fox News, Sheppard Smith interview with the good judge Napolitano:
“Americans who are not in a self imposed coma are aware that Congress has once again shredded the Fourth and Fifth Amendments with their recent vote to extend certain provisions of the un-Patriot Act. The only problem is, the Constitution must be amended, not changed, altered or nullified depending on the vicissitudes dictated by political corruption. The day following the vote I watched Judge Andrew Napolitano attempt to explain to that silly fop on FOX News, Shepard Smith, what Congress in fact did with this latest shot at the Constitution. Here’s what the feds think they’re going to get away with; this is a verbatim transcript from the aforementioned segment:
“Napolitano: Well, I have learned that the Patriot Act, in the name of fighting terrorism, allows agents to do things that we’ve never allowed them to do in the history of the United States.
“Smith: For instance?
“Napolitano: For instance, to read our mail without us knowing it and without getting a search warrant. They can go to the post office, they can write their own search warrant and require the post office to give them your mail……
“Smith: …..without a judge….
“Napolitano: Without a judge involved at all. They can go to your bank, your lawyer, your doctor, your accountant, your computer server, your telephone company, again (his emphasis) without a search warrant from a judge, but with their own, self hand written search warrant and require those people, who keep confidential information on all Americans, to turn that over. You may say, ‘Well, my doctor would call me, my banker would call me.’
“Well….no. They will tell the person to whom they’re giving the self written search warrant it’s a felony for them to speak to anyone about it. They can’t tell their spouse, they can’t tell their lawyer. They can’t even tell a Federal Judge in a Federal Judge’s courtroom that they have been the recipient of one of these search warrants. That, of course, prevents them from challenging it for a year. We are not accustomed in this country to having that kind of power in the hands of federal agents.
“We have always put a neutral judge between the government agent and the target of that agent. The Patriot Act changes that.
(skip to relevance):
“Smith: What’s the fear?
“Napolitano: The fear is that Government Agents, without the restraint of a judge, will have too much power and will violate the rights that the Constitution guarantees us. Remember, we wrote the 4th Amendment because British soldiers had the right to write their own search warrants, we didn’t want any of that. 200 years later we’re back where we started.”
Now come back with something brilliant jp…
Fed Up on February 10, 2008 at 9:38 PM
My point really was that Paul is more than a little flawed but that doesnt matter to his backers who want him based on really one or two issues at best.
William Amos on February 10, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Fed Up on February 10, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Holy $4it,
some of you have too much spare time!
silverfox on February 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
was having problems with posting and it seems there was a duplicate post…
and silverfox…I don’t work for a living…I’ve been doing a research project for the last 2 1/2 years in preparation for a book.
But enjoy the opinions of people like jp despite the digs on each other…..to see if I’m missing something…
he’s one of the few who speaks up…
Fed Up on February 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Fed Up has proven my point.
He hates AQ, but not enough to actually want to see them dead and the world rid of them. Its our fault, the fact that Islam has been at war with the west for 1300 years makes him no never mind. Its all a big NeoCon conspiracy (Aka, the Hallmark way of saying vast Jew conspiracy and not come off sounding like the nut you probably are), and Islam is just a poor band of desert dwellers defending the middle east from the American imperialist swine.
I would take Paul supporters seriously, and liberals who decry the patriot act, if they spoke up about this. But, talking with the local Paul supporters it came as no surprise that not a single one of them even knew about this, and when they did they really didn’t even care.
I again state my opinion, living in the liberal Mecca of Texas, that most of Paul supporters are just neo-constitutional libs who see Pat Robertson as a greater threat to the US than they do Osama Bin Laden, have no knowledge of the history of Islam and its war against the west and couldn’t care less how much pork Paul brings home to his local voters after he has demonized others for doing the same thing. After all, they are all victims of a vast Jewish conspiracy, and when faced with real world situations and not middle earth political ideologies, they come up short for actually offering any ideas that can in anyway actually do anything.
It’s also ironic that the fact that most of Paul supporters are college students going to school on federal grants and loans that the constitution doesn’t allow for, yet, I don’t see them taking a principled stand and quitting and then paying their own way to a degree.
So, just let them rant, when they are done they will just go home, smoke another bowel and fancy themselves as actually having a clue about life in the real world.
RobertInAustin on February 10, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Robert,
You are fooled by the propaganda. The Taliban was/is a threat. Al Qaeda is a CIA creation. Did you even read what I posted? Did you watch the BBC documentary or look up the Wiki reference?
You claim I know nothing about Islam but that wasn’t the “issue” we were discussing now was it? I know all about the Wahibbis from Saudi Arabia via Spencers writings but isn’t it interesting that most of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia yet we didn’t go into their country pursuing the Wahibbis now did we? We went into Iraq because it was on the neocon agenda before 9/11 even happened. But you didn’t read the independent study about Bush lying now did you?
And then you try and blame it on a lib? Give me a break. Nothing I said was from a lib point of view, but rather from an “Old” Republican platform point of view…you know…that party that got us out of Vietnam and Korea? So if anyone is a lib, it’s this “New” Republican party platform with its warmongering and big spending.
And so you have one court case that was ruled in favor of the Patriot Act…big frickin deal.
Fed Up on February 10, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Smoke another bowel?
lol
Fed Up on February 10, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Actually I’m sad to see RP retire or retreat or re entrench or whatever it is. I think he understood the problems we are facing pretty well. There is a huge problem with the Patriot Act. Honestly Bush’s use of this act didn’t scare me much but the thought of Hillary having this power keeps me up at night. We need to do away with it immediately before Bush leaves office. Actually while we on the subject of powers and the constitution I can’t seem to find where Rom Paul would have gotten the constitutional power to do a lot of what he has said he would do if elected. And honestly the fact that he quoted Trotsky “If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent.” sent a huge warning chill down my spine. That might fly if he was a Democrat, they love communists and socialists, but it is a huge warning flag to conservatives and RINO / CINOs everywhere. Does RP quote communists often? Is that why he thinks the President also has the financial powers only given to Congress in the Constitution?
All in all, as a old school conservative, I think that anyone should have the right to run for President and express their views to the voters for their consideration. To a large extent the voters responded with their support, which sadly was very low. To me the problem appears that RP’s message was too extreme for many voters. If you guys want out of Iraq and Afghanistan then say so but playing the same blame game as bin Laden makes you guys look unAmerican. Constantly talking 9/11 conspiracy theory like Rosie O’Donnell didn’t win you any votes either. Funny that you all deny you are truthers but you can’t hardly put up a post without whipping out da crazy and waving it. Tone it down, blaming radical Islam for 9/11 seems to be the vote getting plan with most campaigns. Same with the crap about doing away with the FBI and CIA. If you don’t like what those agencies do then overhaul them and set them right (they both need it) but to exist in today’s world without them is pretty darned stupid. Also I found it strange that Ron Paul never figured out that his economic plan would bring the US to its knees and hand us over to the Chinese who holds our immense debt. I agree that we need to do something about our economic plans but suicide isn’t on the top of most voters short lists. Ron Paul is also going to have to own up to his own problems with black people and the Jews. It is out there and no matter how much he or you deny it it is real and nasty. In fact, you should just purge your ranks of the white power guys and gals. The truth is, America likes black people and Jews a lot more than racists. In fact, I like Democrats better than racists and I still won’t vote for a Democrat. Doesn’t matter that RP says he only paid Lew to write that trash, RP published it and you know in your hearts he believes it too. I don’t think I could believe that RP didn’t buy into the racist stuff even if he kissed Al Sharpton on the mouth. But if RP and Al are willing I’ll give belief a chance, who knows. Honestly I think that Ron Paul’s voice cost him voters too. He’s really really whiny sounding, really, and that doesn’t play well with voters considering who to vote for as President of the USA. Maybe you should see about getting a candidate that isn’t so old either, and can speak in a lower voice without sounding like a bad Eddie Haskell imitation. Well, as I said, the wonderful thing about our Republic is that anyone can run for President and put his views before the voters. Best of luck in 2012 Ron Paul.
Buzzy on February 11, 2008 at 1:37 AM
Well excuse me, but just who the hell are you blaming for 9/11? Who do you think those 19 genocidal a**holes were? Americans? Freedom fighters? Peacemakers? Starving peasants?
But what’s this? That’s funny, they seem to be radical Islamists .
Pax americana on February 11, 2008 at 2:02 AM
So it’s a now an OVERlution
uptight on February 11, 2008 at 4:22 AM
Fed Up,
AQ is a CIA creation? That’s a pretty interesting take on things. No Wiki articles please. No “unbiased” BBC documentaries. I understand the situation to be like this:
Bin Laden heeded a call to Jihad in Afghanistan, as did Muslims the world over. That’s the long and the short of it. The Northern Alliance was the CIA backed group fighting the Soviets.
Krydor on February 11, 2008 at 9:16 AM
yep, “never in our history”….except for George Washington and every War Time president after him tracking down the nations enemies living within. And every modern president has had some sort of international terrorist surveillance(or Communist) and its worked like a charm.
jp on February 11, 2008 at 9:30 AM
jp on February 11, 2008 at 9:33 AM
jp,
I think you’re getting bogged down in “foreign” examples of “Presidential” warrantless exceptions to the 4th amendment, when Napolitano was speaking about “domestic” constitutional violations offered by the Patriot Act.
Fed Up on February 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM
no he never mentions purely “domestic” he just speculates, though it would be the domestic(1 side) of an international information conversation. There is zero proof that it does what you say it does. What there is proof of is the terrorist attacks that have already been thwarted due to it, like the Brooklyn bridge. Which would’ve been blown up if you had your way, along with everyone on it…a critical piece of infrastructure in our Financial Capital of the world no less.
Try Andy McCarthy over a TV crank
jp on February 11, 2008 at 12:48 PM
how can you assume what the good judge is thinking?
and your assumption is that the CIA, FBI, NSA, and local Police could not accomplish the prevention of terrorists attacks without abuse of civil liberties???
Riddle me this jp…if the NSA or U.S. government was so incensed on preventing these folks from coming into our country and blowing up our buildings and bridges, why haven’t they secured our borders? Why are they securing 130 other nations borders at a cost of a trillion a year?
They don’t need to blow up the Brooklyn bridge to destroy the Financial Capital of the world, they’re doing it by destroying the U.S. dollar!
Fed Up on February 11, 2008 at 1:04 PM
And you ignore what I posted from Edwin Vieira, Jr., who holds four degrees from Harvard: A.B. (Harvard College), A.M. and Ph.D. (Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences), and J.D. (Harvard Law School).
Nice try…
Fed Up on February 11, 2008 at 1:31 PM
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