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posted at 2:49 pm on February 8, 2008 by Bryan
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John McCain is not a mystery candidate. He has been in public life for decades, everyone knows his basic biography and he hasn’t exactly been a backbencher in Congress. Some awful legislation bears his prominent name. He’s therefore not a cypher candidate like the messianic Obama, and unlike Hillary, McCain is actually more well liked outside his party faithful than within. So to me, at this stage of the game I’m not sure how much difference his veep pick will make for him. He could pick a legit conservative to shore things up with the base, but he’ll still be John McCain. He could pick more moderate Republican and kick conservatives in the teeth one more time, and he’ll still be John McCain. He could even go for broke and pick Joe Lieberman, leaving the GOP with a left-leaning ticket to go up against the Democrats’ leftist or left-leaning ticket. That would be one more kick to conservatives, but would at least signal seriousness on the war and could put some blue states in play. But John McCain would still be John McCain.

All of this leads me to Pat Toomey’s article in the WSJ on this subject. Toomey runs through a list that dismisses Mike Huckabee before moving on to SC Gov Mark Sanford, SC Senator Jim DeMint, IN Rep. Mike Pence, former TX Sen. Phil Gramm, and Steve Forbes.

Interesting picks, all. Interesting, by the way, doesn’t mean good. Though there was one guy shouting “McCain-Huckabee” during McCain’s CPAC speech, Huckabee needs to come home on economic and national security conservatism before he would deserve a spot on any ticket. Sure, he can win in the South. But McCain can probably hold his own in the South without Huckabee.

As for the rest, Sanford would be a good pick. South Carolina is likely to replace him with another serious conservative, so moving him to veep wouldn’t hurt the movement by taking him off the front lines. The hippie punching Jim DeMint is probably my favorite on that list, but he’s much more useful in the Senate right now, especially in opposition to Reid and Pelosi. We need him and Pence in the fight where it’s happening, especially after November. As for Gramm and Forbes, eh. I touted Gramm the other day but I’ve cooled on that since. He has been out of the fight for about 5 years now. Both Gramm and Forbes are good on economics, Gramm is great on many other issues, both are not so sturdy on border security and that’s a McCain weakness that needs help. Forbes might help on McCain’s economic weakness but hasn’t proven that he can win any election anywhere yet.

I doubt McCain goes with any of these picks. Charlie Crist is likely as the popular governor of Florida and probably the man who won the nomination for McCain. Several picks including Christie Todd Whitman would be mistakes. Joe Lieberman might shake things up a lot, but he’s so far to the left on social issues that he’s more useful as a speculative pick than a real one. For a really out of the box pick, try former mayor and spaghetti western gunslinger Clint Eastwood. There is the little matter of Eastwood’s skepticism on the Iraq war, which McCain has pledged his all to win. It’s a very unlikely pick, but I’d love to see him debate pretty much any Democrat on national security. “I know what you’re thinking. Did Iran really halt nuke development in 2003, or 2005? Or did they stop at all? Do you feel lucky, Barack? Well. Do you?” The squint alone would roast the donks.

So who’s McCain going to pick? Beats me. A pick to the left would probably hurt him more than a pick to the right would potentially help him, though a pick to his right is the way to go to shore up the base. But whoever he picks, at the end of the day John McCain will still be John McCain. That’s his blessing and his curse.


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The Texas primary is coming up in a few weeks. Since McCain has the republican spot, I will screw with the dhiminicrats’ primary (payback for what they did to us in the early states that allowed crossover voting). I just haven’t decided for which dhimini to cast my ballot. Should I be a sexist or a racist?

Texas Nick 77 on February 8, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Rudy Giuliani or Haley Barbour

I don’t care, My vote goes to McCain.

Rudy was my first Choice, he didn’t win.

McCain won.. He gets my vote.

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 4:34 PM

It will be interesting to see if McCain does in fact reach out to conservatives with a running mate that will bring us back into the fold. I really am not convinced Huck will be his choice despite the cooperation to take out Mitt.

Personally I would love JC Watts or Connie to really send the Dem’s heads spinning.

Having said that, remember nobody expected Reagan and Bush41 to come together in 1980 but it happened. So don’t count Mitt out because it makes a lot of sense for Mitt not to mention the qualities he would bring to the ticket. He has to wait at least 4 years anyway among other reasons.

libhater on February 8, 2008 at 4:36 PM

I don’t think there’s any question that Rudy will be the VP pick. He’ll help with some of the blue northeast states including the biggest prize of New York…

Ballistic on February 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM

I don’t think anyone believes Rudy as VP would have any effect on the outcome in New York, where Hillary also has home-field advantage, and Obama has the big-city appeal of a true liberal. The urgency with which Giuliani’s campaign flopped demonstrates he has no vote pull whatsoever outside of NY, and I have serious doubts he would even want the VP job in the first place (my suspicion is he would seek a cabinet position, with his ultimate aspiration being Supreme Court appointment). Assuming that the VP pick will have a strategic basis, rather than a purely philosophical one (which admittedly might not be a safe assumption…), I wouldn’t expect to see much more of Rudy this cycle.

Blacklake on February 8, 2008 at 4:37 PM

I just haven’t decided for which dhimini to cast my ballot. Should I be a sexist or a racist?

Texas Nick 77 on February 8, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Listen to Allah and vote for the Hill.

Big S on February 8, 2008 at 4:38 PM

I’m really not sure why there’s such a negative reaction to Juan McCain. He’s clearly thinking America first.

Gregor on February 8, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Thanks Gregor, as if I needed another reason to not like Juan!

brtex on February 8, 2008 at 4:38 PM

So don’t count Mitt out because it makes a lot of sense for Mitt not to mention the qualities he would bring to the ticket. He has to wait at least 4 years anyway among other reasons.

libhater on February 8, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Not to mention the money he could inject into the campaign. That is unless his wife took away the checkbook yesterday.

myamphibian on February 8, 2008 at 4:39 PM

As a Rudy supporter I don’t know If Rudy wants th VP slot or not, if he doesn’t get it, I’m voting for McCain anyhow.

McCain is the Republican, I vote Republican

Thats how it is.

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 4:41 PM

McCain will pick some amnesty lover like Graham or Crist as VP. He’ll do it to show conservatives how much he “respects” their principled opposition to amnesty (flipping a sort of figurative middle finger to them). McCain has always been petty and vindictive.

I think VinyFoxy is right about his being McCain’s real first choice.

AZCoyote on February 8, 2008 at 4:43 PM

OK, here’s another one outside the box. McCain can reach across the aisle, as he loves to do, and pick – Zell Miller

Dudley Smith on February 8, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Darn provocative pick! I like it!!

asc85 on February 8, 2008 at 4:45 PM

don’t think there’s any question that Rudy will be the VP pick. He’ll help with some of the blue northeast states including the biggest prize of New York. If McCain were to somehow win New York’s electoral votes, I think that would be ball game for McCamnesty.

They might even have made a deal already when Rudy pulled out of the race so soon.

Ballistic on February 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM

I heard the other night on Letterman wnen McCain was on, Letterman asked him about his pick for VP. McCain did not comment but simply stood up and introduced Rudy. Take it for what its worth.

kcd on February 8, 2008 at 4:46 PM

The Texas primary is coming up in a few weeks. Since McCain has the republican spot, I will screw with the dhiminicrats’ primary (payback for what they did to us in the early states that allowed crossover voting). I just haven’t decided for which dhimini to cast my ballot. Should I be a sexist or a racist?

Texas Nick 77 on February 8, 2008 at 4:31 PM

I’ve been toying with same idea. The right answer is probably “sexist.” Considering Obama can outspend Hillary right now and probably has an advantage going forward, it’ll maximize the odds of the Dems being in turmoil over the delegate counts going into convention, or, perhaps, win Hillary the candidacy outright–in which case, and best of all, you could then truthfully proclaim “I actually voted for Hillary Clinton before I voted against her.”

Blacklake on February 8, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Not to mention the money he could inject into the campaign. That is unless his wife took away the checkbook yesterday.

myamphibian on February 8, 2008 at 4:39 PM

That too. If Mitt runs with McCain and loses he still can come back in 2012. If McCain would win, Mitt would have to wait until 2016 unless McCain doesn’t or can’t run in 2012 for health reasons. It’s better to have been VP than out of the public eye in that case. Being on the ticket makes great sense for Mitt. But can McCain swallow the bitter pill and choose him even though he might be the one person who could heal some of the wounds?

Also Mass., NH, & Michigan are states that just might go our way with Mitt. It’s all about the map now.

I still love JC Watts but he wouldn’t accept.

libhater on February 8, 2008 at 4:46 PM

That too. If Mitt runs with McCain and loses he still can come back in 2012.

He would look like John Edwards..

Someone new would come along..

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Whoever, Takes that VP slot needs to want to win.

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 4:50 PM

I think Mitt has way too much class to accept a run with McAmnesty. I think Mitt is doing the right thing. Wait til 2012, win the nomination and pick a real conservative to run the ticket with you.
Romney 2012!

kcd on February 8, 2008 at 4:51 PM

He would look like John Edwards..

Someone new would come along..

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 4:49 PM

I hear you but Mitt has some substance to him. Edwards is a huge ZERO so I can’t totally make that same connection.

libhater on February 8, 2008 at 4:51 PM

I hear you but Mitt has some substance to him. Edwards is a huge ZERO so I can’t totally make that same connection.

libhater on February 8, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Still have a loss attached to him, and the thought of him running with shamnesty.
(how would that play with new conservatives, in the new election cycle?)

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 4:54 PM

IF McCain lost, I still believe he can win.

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 4:55 PM

If were going with outside the box suggestions, what about Ben Stein?

rw on February 8, 2008 at 3:02 PM

He’s probably a good fit with McCain. Saw Stein on one of those Saturday FNC business shows a few months ago, and he said he fully expects that his grandchildren will be speaking Spanish as their native language. He’s perfectly okay with it, and so is McCain.

Si, si, peuede.

AZCoyote on February 8, 2008 at 4:57 PM

What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?

Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a
column titled, “Mexican Visitor’s Lament” — 10/25/07.

A little off topic but..wow. Definatley worth the read.

kcd on February 8, 2008 at 5:02 PM

charlie crist is a lying, creepy little liberal and I will send money to the democrat party if mccain picks him. mccain better pick someone who wows conservatives in a good way or the democrat will win 50 states.

peacenprosperity on February 8, 2008 at 5:03 PM

McCain’s going to have to some serious groveling (@$$ kissing) before I’ll even think about voting for him. If he picks anyone left-of-center, I’ll write in Tigger and focus on the Congress.

jdawg on February 8, 2008 at 5:04 PM

McCain can’t win.

If he does, he will stab us in the back, that’s a when, not an if.

So what flavor of veep could possibly matter?

Romney is the logical choice, but I don’t think it will happen. None of the others have enough name recognition to put anything but their home state in play, and none of them have the economic experience or current goodwill of the base.

tlclark on February 8, 2008 at 5:21 PM

kcd on February 8, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Intersting perspective. Here is the link.

brtex on February 8, 2008 at 5:22 PM

i’d like demint. southern conservative.

obama will pick nunn. also from GA.
hillary will pick obama.

reliapundit on February 8, 2008 at 5:30 PM

Lieberman might be fine as Sec Def, but Veep? Other than his stance on the WOT he is a tax-raising liberal Democrat.

I don’t want to see any of our good Senators get that spot. We need everyone of then where they are. Crist is worthless to us so he can have it.

Buy Danish on February 8, 2008 at 5:37 PM

he said he fully expects that his grandchildren will be speaking Spanish as their native language. He’s perfectly okay with it, and so is McCain.

Si, si, peuede.

AZCoyote on February 8, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Much like Arizona?

myamphibian on February 8, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Much like Arizona?

myamphibian on February 8, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Si, senor!

Califemme on February 8, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Does anyone think McCain’s veep would be nothing more than window dressing?

Kini on February 8, 2008 at 5:48 PM

Does anyone think McCain’s veep would be nothing more than window dressing?

Kini on February 8, 2008 at 5:48 PM

I think McCain’s veep will be our next nominee if McCain manages to win the White House. Window dressing or not, we should care who it is.

aero on February 8, 2008 at 5:50 PM

I think McCain’s veep will be our next nominee if McCain manages to win the White House. Window dressing or not, we should care who it is.

aero on February 8, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Definitely agree.

2012 is when we can regroup and do this thing right.

SimplyKimberly on February 8, 2008 at 5:56 PM

Charlie Crist is likely as the popular governor of Florida

Popular with whom? Crist might have swung some indy votes, but it’s highly debatable whether he made the difference for McCain here — although The New Republic swoons over the guy.

Crist himself was a hold-your-nose pick for many conservatives, which, of course, would make him the perfect fit for McCain.

Nichevo on February 8, 2008 at 6:04 PM

2012 is when we can regroup and do this thing right.

SimplyKimberly on February 8, 2008 at 5:56 PM

If so, then start thinking about congressional seats between now and then. Stack the deck.

Kini on February 8, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Let’s be strategic in the real sense (as opposing the possible Democrat ticket): Dr. Condi Rice!

cranura on February 8, 2008 at 6:13 PM

2012 is when we can regroup and do this thing right.

SimplyKimberly on February 8, 2008 at 5:56 PM

2010, really. We only have about two years before the primary crap will start all over again. Candidates have to start the process of exploration and fund-raising as much as two years before an election now in order to be ready to hit the ground running at the absurdly early starting dates for campaigns, not to mention the leapfrogging primary dates these days. I fully expect Iowa’s primary for 2012 to be in late 2010–or maybe it will be next week. I wouldn’t be surprised.

aero on February 8, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Crist is worthless to us so he can have it.

Trust me. You don’t want a 71 year old heart the only thing between crist and the presidency.

Crist himself was a hold-your-nose pick for many conservatives

Not for me. I think this guy ran for state office three times and I refused to vote for him. I can’t be blamed for the dirtbag.

peacenprosperity on February 8, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Romney is the logical choice, but I don’t think it will happen.

Romney won’t accept. mccain is a liberal, Romney knows it and knows the next 4 years is going to be a nightmare no matter who gets elected. That doesn’t mean that mccain isn’t already considering asking Romney. He wants to lock him up as the VP so in 4 years Romney doesn’t send him home. Romney will go to work, recoup some of that money he spent and stay very visible. He knows what he has to do now. He stays consistent for the next 4 years, speaks on conservative matters and earns his crdibility and he will sweep into the White House.

peacenprosperity on February 8, 2008 at 6:26 PM

Kay Bailey Hutchinson is a possibility; odds are Texas would replace her with another Republican. But two senators is too much (actually the one we’re stuck with is too much, but that’s what we have to take).

Condi carries the Bush Admin toxin with her; no way.

A fun pick to consider? Laura Bush :))

michaelo on February 8, 2008 at 6:33 PM

peacenprosperity on February 8, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Good point. I shouldn’t be so selfish. I’d say he can have Olympia Snowe but we’d have the same problem.

Buy Danish on February 8, 2008 at 6:34 PM

I still love JC Watts but he wouldn’t accept.

libhater on February 8, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Why don’t you think JC would accept? I think he would really be the best choice. He’s a black guy, but it’s not because he’s a black guy. Every time I’ve heard him speak, he’s very impressive. He’s a solid conservative family man. He knows how Washington works, but he’s not a Washington insider.

I really hope that a guy like JC Watts gets a more prominent role in the R party. He took time off to be with his family. That means he’s available for the VP.

JC Watts for VP! That would be awesome!

ThackerAgency on February 8, 2008 at 6:39 PM

I really hope that a guy like JC Watts gets a more prominent role in the R party. He took time off to be with his family. That means he’s available for the VP.

I would love to have JC Watts back in office doing anything but I don’t think he ever will. He was on a steep, rocketing trajectory and was already being spoken of as a VP and someday Presidential candidate when he walked away. I think the demofascists were very afraid of him and sent him a manilla envelope.

You know, before the clintons I was anti any kind of conspiracy theory but since I think anything is possible.

peacenprosperity on February 8, 2008 at 6:49 PM

With McCain’s record and bad temper, he’ll get smeared no matter who his running mate is.

Zorro on February 8, 2008 at 6:51 PM

ThackerAgency on February 8, 2008 at 6:39 PM

J.C. Watts would be an excellent choice – it would silence the Democrats demagoguing about identity politcs, he is solid on the big issues, and he would probably be less divisive, though perhaps less eloquent than Alan Keyes.

The dismissal of Keyes has been a real eye-opener this season. His presence proves the duplicity of those fools who say there has been no conservative in the GOP race this year.

Pax americana on February 8, 2008 at 6:57 PM

This is how I first remember JC.

peacenprosperity on February 8, 2008 at 6:57 PM

What about Steele?

He’s a principled conservative. He’s got experience. And, he dulls the “vote for the woman/black person” novelty of the Democratic ticket (depending on who they pick).

JadeNYU on February 8, 2008 at 7:16 PM

McCain should pick Oprah.

Three birds, one O.

profitsbeard on February 8, 2008 at 7:16 PM

I’m certain McShame will ask the president of mexico to be his running mate.

madmonkphotog on February 8, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Realmente no importa, no voy a votar por McCain, independientemente de que también es en el billete.

Onager on February 8, 2008 at 7:19 PM

What about Steele?

He’s a principled conservative. He’s got experience. And, he dulls the “vote for the woman/black person” novelty of the Democratic ticket (depending on who they pick).

JadeNYU on February 8, 2008 at 7:16 PM

Steele killed any chance of getting my support when he was on FOX News pimping out the “Reagan conservatism is dead” mantra. Anyone who believes that is someone who will not get my support.

SimplyKimberly on February 8, 2008 at 7:34 PM

The dismissal of Keyes has been a real eye-opener this season. His presence proves the duplicity of those fools who say there has been no conservative in the GOP race this year.

Pax americana on February 8, 2008 at 6:57 PM

Boy, isn’t that the truth! So much for “real” conservative values… Maybe he was a little too “preachy” though, or, at least I thought so watching him in that one debate.

Califemme on February 8, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Onager on February 8, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Hey, no fair! You already started learning, and we haven’t made him president YET!!! LOL

Califemme on February 8, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Sweet video peace.

Keyes didn’t get in early enough and he didn’t stay long enough. He is conservative. There were conservatives in the race, just none of the last four standing. Thompson would have won if he had spent time in NH. The reason McCain will win is because he won NH. Thompson could have beaten McCain in NH. Had Thompson won NH, he’d be the nominee now.

The problem with the whole process from ‘go’ was Rudy’s front runner status. Rudy ain’t no conservative no how no way – but there was no ‘outrage’ or ‘gnashing of conservative teeth’ when Rudy was polling nationally at 40% all last year.

The ‘conservative’ people that have a problem with McCain now should have had a problem with both Rudy and Romney last year. But they didn’t. That is why we don’t have a conservative. I came to accept that the R party wouldn’t get a conservative several months ago. That’s why I’m so shocked at the outcry now from ‘conservatives’ like Tammy Bruce.

ThackerAgency on February 8, 2008 at 7:45 PM

McCain is so arrogant he doesn’t need a running mate.

Zorro on February 8, 2008 at 7:59 PM

McCain is so arrogant he doesn’t need a running mate.

Zorro on February 8, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Ho many people voted for Bush because of Cheney?

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Onager on February 8, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Hey, no fair! You already started learning, and we haven’t made him president YET!!! LOL

Califemme on February 8, 2008 at 7:39 PM

No sir I haven’t. I merely used a feature that google provides. Go to google.com once you get there, look for a menu item, “more”. Click on that and then on the drop down, click “even more”. That will take you to a google page with 2 columns of choices. In the right hand column, around half way down you’ll see “translate”. Click on that and it’ll take you to a page that will translate text you enter from your choice of languages. Pretty cool.

Onager on February 8, 2008 at 8:07 PM

How many people voted for Bush because of Cheney?

I like Cheney, I’m just not sure how many extra votes that brought to the ticket, that wouldn’t have already been there anyhow, it actually could have driven some votes from the center away.

Not sure, way so much pressure or emphasis is being put into this decision.

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 8:09 PM

LOCK OF THE YEAR: LINDSEY GRAHAM Take it to the bank. Mav knows he’s no spring chicken. He has the country’s best interest in mind and will make the vp choice with his gut. You can tell there like brothers and I think Lindsey is actually the better candidate. I wish he would have ran. He also could help with a little home cookin’ here in the South.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 8, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Ah, McCain’s running mate? I keep wondering if McCain picked a real conservative to be his VP and that person actually wanted to be a VP under McCain wouldn’t that mean the person really wasn’t a real conservative after all? I know that if his people called my people I’d laugh and suggest he might have better luck calling Ann Coulter.

Being McCain’s VP in 2008 is a dead end road for anyone’s political career! Firstly, McCain is not going to win and secondly with the conservatives in full scale revolt some folks are going to get hard tagged as RINOs during the purge and after that the only work they’ll have is as a “Republican Strategist” on MSNBC.

All along we’ve thought that illegal immigration / open borders would be our ace in the hole to put a Conservative into the WH and Congressmen back into their seats in Congress but with McCain and his particular brand of Lieberman Republicans (ie: not Republican at all) holding sway it just can’t happen. Conservatives won’t support McCain in any big numbers and McCain can’t hide his amnesty loving past. The plan now is to wallop Hillary or Obama for 4 years on illegal immigration day and night and make damned sure we don’t nominate a Democrat like McCain in 2012. It’ll be easier when the Democrats have either enslaved the nation in their “healthcare” plan or have failed to produce one in their first term. It’ll be much easier after 4 years of huge taxes and even fewer jobs.

The answer to my question would be that anyone who would hook up with McCain wouldn’t be considered a trustworthy conservative from that point onward. I’m betting that McCain is offering it to Huck to clear the road and I’m betting that Huck’s going to take it.

Buzzy on February 8, 2008 at 8:38 PM

A blast from the past about the “Maverick” that wants everyone else to stay loyal to the party but…cough cough…he doens’t have to:

Then when Republican Senator Jim Jeffords became an Independent, throwing control of the Senate to Democrats, McCain defended him against “self-appointed enforcers of party loyalty.”

Can you say “do as I say, not as I do?” (For those former military among the readers, you know what that means…not even close to being a leader…more like a loser)

TOPV on February 8, 2008 at 8:39 PM

ThackerAgency on February 8, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Keyes didn’t get in early enough and he didn’t stay long enough. He is conservative. There were conservatives in the race, just none of the last four standing.

But Alan Keyes is still in the race, and should be on some of the remaining ballots. The reason his campaign hasn’t taken off is because he has been dismissed and ignored by the right-wing pundits and blogs who ought to have been pushing up his profile.

The ‘conservative’ people that have a problem with McCain now should have had a problem with both Rudy and Romney last year. But they didn’t. That is why we don’t have a conservative. I came to accept that the R party wouldn’t get a conservative several months ago. That’s why I’m so shocked at the outcry now from ‘conservatives’ like Tammy Bruce.

Absolutely spot on. The hypocrisy of some of the pundits has been staggering. I resigned myself to the same fact some time ago, but didn’t then spend weeks throwing tantrums and threatening to vote for Hussain and Hillary. John McCain ran a very clever campaign, while all these ‘real’ conservatives were bleating at each other and ignoring their candidates’ weaknesses. If you can champion Rudy and Mitt and Huck, there’s no real excuse for not getting behind McCain.

Pax americana on February 8, 2008 at 8:43 PM

Can you say “do as I say, not as I do?” (For those former military among the readers, you know what that means…not even close to being a leader…more like a loser)

TOPV on February 8, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Not being a team player is probably a big reason he never made Admiral. Pretty astonishing given his military pedigree and heroism. I’ve spent 22 years on AD and in Reserves…that tells me a lot about the man.

jwp1964 on February 8, 2008 at 8:46 PM

TOPV on February 8, 2008 at 8:39 PM

McCain also defended Lieberman against the Democrats ’self-appointed enforcers’ of Party loyalty. At least on this he is consistent, and what’s more, if McCain’s elected Lieberman could soon be caucusing with the GOP.

Pax americana on February 8, 2008 at 8:46 PM

I would be honored if the likes of Tammy Bruce and Ann Coulter did not vote for my party.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 8, 2008 at 8:48 PM

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 8, 2008 at 8:48 PM

Coulter would bring more votes to John McCain by campaigning for the Dems than any other method I know. I wish she would bleedin well get cracking and start demagoguing for ‘her girl’.

Pax americana on February 8, 2008 at 8:57 PM

I would be honored if the likes of Tammy Bruce and Ann Coulter did not vote for my party.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 8, 2008 at 8:48 PM

I’m sure that the day after the election you’ll be very proud because the number or Repubs, conservatives and former Repubs that won’t vote for him in the general is going to really make you proud.

jwp1964 on February 8, 2008 at 8:58 PM

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 8, 2008 at 8:48 PM

Wha . . . ?

geckomon on February 8, 2008 at 9:00 PM

McCain/Anti-McCain ‘08! (Choosing a Veep)

Also, a GOP forum, if people would like to register to chat.

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 9:02 PM

jwp1964 on February 8, 2008 at 8:58 PM

After Obama makes quick work of Billary in the next few weeks, it will be on. Maverick v. Obama. I like our chances. The more secure Iraq becomes over the next ten months the worse for the dems. I’m pretty sure that Mav will ask the tough questions about Hope and Change. If there is even a blip of a National Security crisis, Mav goes up ten to twelve points. He is already in the middle, Obama after a year of Moveon.org events has to fight his way back to the middle, against a WAR HERO.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 8, 2008 at 9:11 PM

… Needs to be McCain / Bolton ‘08

Bootleghooch on February 8, 2008 at 9:13 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Bobby Jindal! Now there’s a great idea, even if he is young enough to be McCain’s grandson. Hell, he’s almost young enough to be disqualified.

But all said, he can’t be that much less experienced than Obama.

Pax americana on February 8, 2008 at 9:13 PM

Jindal born June 10, 1971

He’s old enough to be President, you only need to be 35. :}

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 9:17 PM

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 8, 2008 at 9:11 PM

I’m pretty sure that Mav will ask the tough questions about Hope and Change.

And Tony Rezko, I hope.

If there is even a blip of a National Security crisis, Mav goes up ten to twelve points.

Not so fast. The troofers and conspiracy cracks will go insane if that happens.

Pax americana on February 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Tammy Bruce is a nice enough lady. . . she’s just wrong on a lot of things. I’d be glad to straighten her out. She just needs to come to my house with one of her hottest lovers and I’ll ’splain to her how wrong she is all night long.

ThackerAgency on February 8, 2008 at 9:24 PM

The further and further we get away from this long awaited CPAC clash of Mav and conservatives the more this is starting to look more than possible. More like probable. He will dominate the middle. Most folks haven’t been around to remember the SILENT MAJORITY, but it does still exist. If Graham gets the VP or Secretary of State like I think he will, I’m almost to the point where I can GUARANTEE VICTORY TO ALL OF HOTAIR NATION.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 8, 2008 at 9:25 PM

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 8, 2008 at 9:25 PM

If Graham gets the VP or Secretary of State like I think he will, I’m almost to the point where I can GUARANTEE VICTORY TO ALL OF HOTAIR NATION.

No that would be like McCain saying FU to all the people with very legitimate concerns about his credentials on immigration. The last thing any GOP supporter wants is hardliners running a big third party campaign for a Pat Buchanan clone, syphoning off huge swathes of GOP voters, and handing POTUS for the next 8 years on a plate to Barry Hussain. Graham’s disapproval ratings amongst SC voters are already almost 50%

Pax americana on February 8, 2008 at 9:40 PM

Pax americana on February 8, 2008 at 9:40 PM

It’s the middle. Win the middle. They far outnumber hardline conservatives who vow to stay home. It’s the middle. It always has been the middle. They are just super, duper, quiet.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 8, 2008 at 9:44 PM

he said he fully expects that his grandchildren will be speaking Spanish as their native language. He’s perfectly okay with it, and so is McCain.

Si, si, peuede.

AZCoyote on February 8, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Much like Arizona?

myamphibian on February 8, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Si, mis amigos, just like Arizona … where McCain knows all about how to secure the border (he just doesn’t want to do it).

AZCoyote on February 8, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Politics 101

Own The Center

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 10:04 PM

So who will be his young padawan?

Mojave Mark on February 8, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Politics 101

Own The Center

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Principled Conservativism 101

Don’t water down the message.

Cold Steel on February 8, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Principled Conservativism 101

Cold Steel on February 8, 2008 at 10:47 PM

We’ve already crossed that bridge.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 8, 2008 at 10:54 PM

Principled Conservativism 101

Don’t water down the message.

Cold Steel on February 8, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Do not lower your standards nor do you set lower goals.

Results are what matters, and what we are judged on.

Does it really matter how you arrive to a point?, the question is what IF you never arrived at all.

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Ends based philosophy is a progressive mentality. It has no respect for rule of law. This is the same reasoning that views the constitution as a “living” document. This philosophy is what is now infecting the Republican party. If you try and compete with the Dems to lead off on Entertainment Tonight, you’re going to lose your principled base. Foundation is the key. Fads come and go… if we trot out “fad” candidates over substantive candidates, we’ll consistently lose.

Cold Steel on February 8, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Ends based philosophy is a progressive mentality. It has no respect for rule of law. This is the same reasoning that views the constitution as a “living” document. This philosophy is what is now infecting the Republican party. If you try and compete with the Dems to lead off on Entertainment Tonight, you’re going to lose your principled base. Foundation is the key. Fads come and go… if we trot out “fad” candidates over substantive candidates, we’ll consistently lose.

Cold Steel on February 8, 2008 at 11:04 PM

You are wrong.

Is Rudy Giuliani someone that does not respect the Rule of Law?(One of the Most successful Prosecuting U.S. Attorney in History)

Does he believe in a living breathing Constitution?
I don’t think so.

Chakra Hammer on February 8, 2008 at 11:22 PM

I don’t think there’s any question that Rudy will be the VP pick. He’ll help with some of the blue northeast states including the biggest prize of New York…

Ballistic on February 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM

I respectfully disagree. Rudy is perfect for either AG or chief of Homeland Security, plus McCain needs to pick someone right of him and Rudy as they are both moderates.

JustTruth101 on February 8, 2008 at 11:22 PM

Sanford!

funky chicken on February 9, 2008 at 12:02 AM

Trust me. You don’t want a 71 year old heart the only thing between crist and the presidency.
Not for me. I think this guy ran for state office three times and I refused to vote for him. I can’t be blamed for the dirtbag.
peacenprosperity on February 8, 2008 at 6:22 PM
All of us in Fla saw what great job he did with the homeowners insurance crisis when he was insurance commisioner. Just wait until his Ammendment 1 kicks in and we have less Police and Firefighters. No thanks to Charlie.

Fires1 on February 9, 2008 at 12:13 AM

Why don’t you think JC would accept? I think he would really be the best choice. He’s a black guy, but it’s not because he’s a black guy. Every time I’ve heard him speak, he’s very impressive. He’s a solid conservative family man. He knows how Washington works, but he’s not a Washington insider.

I really hope that a guy like JC Watts gets a more prominent role in the R party. He took time off to be with his family. That means he’s available for the VP.

JC Watts for VP! That would be awesome!

ThackerAgency on February 8, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Then why mention it? It will be as ineffective as it is transparent. Your comment about his speaking is one of the more insulting things black citizens who “talk like everyone else” put up with. “Why you are so articulate… sound very educated…”

Not taken as a compliment by many.

Bradky on February 9, 2008 at 12:38 AM

Then why mention it?

because it is a fact?! I know quite a few black guys that I’d prefer run things over white guys who are in power. I’d give specifics but I don’t want to show anyone up. How is it offensive to point out a fact?

It will actually work in his favor. . . I know it is hard to believe but there was a time in history when being black might work against him.

He’s a solid conservative family man. He knows how Washington works, but he’s not a Washington insider.

That’s the meat of the paragraph. But thanks for being offended at the fact I presented. I know the quote I used isn’t as racially charged as the quote you used, but the quote I used was mostly what I was trying to say. I’ll try to avoid using FACTS to characterize someone and hold my tongue while people continue to characterize me any way they want. . . racist, bigot, evangelical, conservative (you choose because I’m certain it won’t offend anyone).

ThackerAgency on February 9, 2008 at 1:19 AM

And just before the ‘offensive’ factual comment was this little insignificant issue that I brought up. . .

I think he would really be the best choice.

As you said, I’m certain that these comments are

Not taken as a compliment by many.

But I’ll make a deal with you. . . you characterize me as ‘the best choice’ and I’ll try just as hard as I can to take it as a compliment. Even as a racist like myself, I hope I can try to avoid being offended at being branded ‘the best choice’. I’ll do the best I can.

ThackerAgency on February 9, 2008 at 1:25 AM

I thought we went over this with the Obama issue being called ‘articulate’. I hope to Hell that someone feels like they can call me articulate without having to worry about whether or not I get offended.

I’m sorry to go off here, but this is what makes race relations strained. If I can’t say that a black guy is very impressive without sounding racist, then there will never be harmony between the races. If I can’t compliment someone without having to apologize, don’t expect compliments.

It is assinine to assume that saying someone is articulate assumes that their race, background, or religion would preclude them from being so. THIS is the problem with race relations in America. THIS is what makes America weak. With all the problems in the world, the black community takes issue with someone calling them ‘articulate’ or ‘the best choice’. THIS is what makes the black civil rights movement absurd. THIS is what keeps blacks from succeeding. . . the continual victim culture.

Again, I am sorry, but out of everything I have said, to point this out to show me and everyone reading it some sort of protocol that needs to exist when discussing blacks is ridiculous AND harmful to the black cause.

ThackerAgency on February 9, 2008 at 1:36 AM

How about Bill Frist?

SoulGlo on February 9, 2008 at 7:06 AM

How about Bill Frist?

SoulGlo on February 9, 2008 at 7:06 AM

The same guy who said it may be possible to contract HIV from a water fountain? Somebody tell me where he went to medical school because they are obviously giving away degrees.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 9, 2008 at 8:19 AM

In a real shocker FOX news is not showing Huckabees speech…had to go to MSNBC. I’m done with FOX…Fair and balanced my ass!

jwp1964 on February 9, 2008 at 9:24 AM

Onager on February 8, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Hey, no fair! You already started learning, and we haven’t made him president YET!!! LOL

Califemme on February 8, 2008 at 7:39 PM
No sir I haven’t. I merely used a feature that google provides. Go to google.com once you get there, look for a menu item, “more”. Click on that and then on the drop down, click “even more”. That will take you to a google page with 2 columns of choices. In the right hand column, around half way down you’ll see “translate”. Click on that and it’ll take you to a page that will translate text you enter from your choice of languages. Pretty cool.

Onager on February 8, 2008 at 8:07 PM

Or just go direct to this page:

http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

Texas Nick 77 on February 9, 2008 at 10:50 AM

I posted this on another thread, but it probably fits better here. Yesterday, Real Clear Politics ran an Internet poll on who McCain should pick as a VP. There were over 300 replies. Here is the short list:

Condoleezza Rice (32)
JC Watts (23)
Sarah Palin (20)
Michael Steele (18)
Colin Powell (17)
Charlie Crist (12)
Bobby Jindal (12)
Mitt Romney (12)
Fred Thompson (12)
Rudy Giuliani (10)
Kay Bailey Hutchison (10)
John Kasich (9)
Newt Gingrich (8)
John Thune (8)
Mike Huckabee (7)
Joe Lieberman (7)
Tom Ridge (7)

For the rest of the best, click here.

bnelson44 on February 9, 2008 at 11:50 AM

That’s it. I GUARANTEE Lindsey Graham will be vp.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 9, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Mike Huckabee Speaks to CPAC – 2/9/2008

ITookTheRedPill on February 9, 2008 at 6:38 PM

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