McCain: Fred told me he’ll support me, I swear; Update: Fred endorses McCain
posted at 5:40 pm on February 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I’m sorry to be the one to have to break the news. Well, no, that’s not true. Heh.
The Bolton endorsement and the Fred endorsement on the same day? SECOND LOOK AT POSSIBLY NOT STAYING HOME!
While campaigning in Wichita, this afternoon with KS senator and former presidential candidate Sam Brownback, John McCain announced that he had recently received the support of another former candidate.
“I also spoke again yesterday to my friend Fred Thompson who assured me he is ready to do whatever it takes to help me win the election in November,” McCain said. “I’m very proud to have the friendship and support of Fred Thompson as well.”
The campaign would not confirm whether Thompson officially endorsed McCain or not, and sources close to Thompson did not immediately return phone inquiries. Thompson did serve as a national co-chair of McCain’s 2000 presidential campaign but has not announced formal support since he dropped out of the race last month.
Why no formal endorsement yet? Is Fred picking his spot? Or is it that he simply can’t rouse himself? “Yeah, I’ll just call John. Let him tell them.” Not that Maverick needs either him or JB (yet): The first poll in Virginia since October is finally out. 63 delegates at stake, winner take all — say goodnight, Huck. In fact, it’s actually a re-poll taken after Mitt dropped out; compare the earlier results with him still in the race and you’ll see that McCain actually gains more from his departure than Huckabee does.
Exit question: When does Dobson form his exploratory committee?
Update: The moment of truth is at hand.
“This is no longer about past preferences or differences. It is about what is best for our country and for me that means that Republican should close ranks behind John McCain,” Thompson said in a statement reported by the Associated Press.
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T’aint blue Bradky. Just thinking about which mattress I need to stuff my cash into for the next 8 years.
Limerick on February 9, 2008 at 1:34 AM
How
McLame.I’m not stopping you from winning. If you McCainiacs want him all that bad, you got me outnumbered five million to one.
I’m just not going to help someone that I have ABSOLUTELY no trust for win because he MIGHT be the ‘lesser of three evils’.
Unfortunately the completely ignorant liberals got BOTH Conservatives and ‘moderates’ outnumbered by a few million…. And they won’t be as nice to McCain and you as I am. Your pleas of “Let us win” will only make them laugh all that much harder at the stupid Republicans.
LegendHasIt on February 9, 2008 at 1:35 AM
http://thehill.com/in-the-know/nepotism-does-not-officially-exist-in-rep.-waterss-office-2008-01-15.html
Second story down
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Well, at least I know where my priorities are, Poker-After-Dark is on…….sweet dreams fellow realists.
Limerick on February 9, 2008 at 1:53 AM
…waiting for my 3rd party choices…yawn…
AZCON on February 9, 2008 at 1:55 AM
a capella
Thanks for the link. It does help to explain his…odd affect during that debate in Iowa.
He was on the ballot in AZ and garnered 112 votes to come in 7th place in a field of 24 candidates. It’s a tough fight going against McCain on his home turf.
Deety on February 9, 2008 at 2:02 AM
How about the one in Dubai?
Mojave Mark on February 9, 2008 at 2:06 AM
I wish Fred had endorsed Romney or McCain before Super Tuesday, so that douchebag Huckster wouldn’t have won Tennessee.
Oh well… FRED FOR VP!!!
bigred on February 9, 2008 at 2:09 AM
I’m no fan of McCain either, but you’re acting like a nasty and deranged nutjob… again. Knock it off- you’re doing no one any favors, and it’s not “vetting”- it’s mindless and repeatitive name-calling.
Your guy lost, as did mine. Show some class, you nasty little shrew.
Hollowpoint on February 9, 2008 at 2:12 AM
In spite of the Thompson and Bolton endorsements I will never vote for McCain or any other open borders sell-out. The powers-that-be in the open-borders movement have been pissing down our backs all the while telling us it’s raining and it’s long past time for them to go to Hell where they surely belong.
In light of 9/11, I feel that politicians which continue to support open-border policies are such a disgrace and threat to our nation as to be on a level approaching that which at one time in our history may have been considered tantamount to treason. We are at war. Our homeland has been attacked, yet they continue to not only leave the castle gates wide-open but also unguarded and undefended, and this in trade for power and profit.
McCain and the rest of them should be ashamed and shunned, but instead McCain is the presumptive Republican Party nominee and both Democratic candidates are repulsive creatures as well. None of them should be rewarded for their betrayal.
I fear for my country. I’m ashamed now to admit that I supported McCain over Bush back in ’99 and ’00. Never again!
FloatingRock on February 9, 2008 at 2:14 AM
I wouldn’t even vote for McCain if I were his VP.
FloatingRock on February 9, 2008 at 2:18 AM
I wouldn’t put it quite as bluntly as csdeven, but it’s true that none of McCain’s considerable negatives came out during the primaries.
Be certain all these things will be part of the MSM narrative of McCain now that he’s the nominee.
billy on February 9, 2008 at 2:27 AM
“now that he’s the nominee”\
He’s not the nominee. Only you idots who have trusted in your faux-conservatives like Thompson and Romney want to lay down and die. Your radio-heroes…your blogging heroes…your TV heroes are all conceding…not only ythe nomination and the presidency, but conservatism itself to freaking liberals.
Allah, Bryan, and Michelle must be feeling pretty stupid for the part they’ve all played in handing the party to liberals.
Too bad their individual pride won’t let them admit that Huckabee is and has always been the hero of conservatism.
Al-Ozarka on February 9, 2008 at 2:33 AM
Help… someone *gasp* call… 911… can’t… breathe… laughing… too *gasp* hard… can’t… stop… laughing…
Hollowpoint on February 9, 2008 at 2:38 AM
“Too bad their individual pride won’t let them admit that Huckabee is and has always been the hero of conservatism.”
Dude, lay off the PCP. Conservative on what? He’s against abortion and gay marriage. That’s it.
He raised taxes by $500 million. He wanted to give taxpayer money for scholarships and in-state tuition to illegals. He thinks we should turn the other cheek and be nicer to the jihadis and the rest of the world will like us more.
He’s all about BIG GOVERNMENT. How in the hell do you figure that’s “conservative”???
The Huckster is a snake oil salesman, a slimeball, a flaming liberal, and a blasphemous bastard.
Thank God Fred unloaded on the Huckster in the SC debate and exposed him, or he might have won South Carolina.
Fred was the ONLY true conservative in the race. He’s also doing what’s best for the Republican party and our country. I’m no big fan of McCain, but he’s sure as hell better than Hillary. And Huckabee.
bigred on February 9, 2008 at 2:48 AM
Bolton and Fred have swayed me to consider McCrankypants.
Now that Fred’s done this, I wonder how ‘ol Jackie will respond?
PolitiNOOB on February 9, 2008 at 3:23 AM
Oh boy! That’s rich. Didja type that with a straight face?
geckomon on February 9, 2008 at 6:16 AM
I see some people feeling like Thompson betrayed them by endorsing McCain. I feel like that too, but I have to look at the big picture and wonder if he was helping a “buddy” or keeping the Democrats out of office. If he went out and actively campaigned for him then I would know betrayed us for sure, but I just don’t see his endorsement as changing many, if any, minds. Thompson must know many of his former supporters won’t vote for McCain at all, and those who will had already resigned themselves to do so if he was the nominee from the beginning.
Maybe it’s because I’m not into politics as deeply as some here, but this comes across more as “Ok, it’s pretty obvious he won, so support him if it’s your choice”, then “I fully and without doubt support this man to be President”.
At this point in time Thompsons endorsement might even throw off people to never consider McCain period. Who knows, that might be Thompsons intention too.
Mordart on February 9, 2008 at 6:33 AM
I swear I am going to be sick.
RobertInAustin on February 9, 2008 at 6:45 AM
You know, when it comes right down to it, you need to make up your own mind. Either you have principles and act on them or you just do what feels right at the moment. In this case, I really believe that supporting McCain is not the right choice for me, in spite of all his endorsements.
It’s a shame that theses are the choices we have. It’s hard to argue that I’m right when millions voted for McCain, Obama and Hillary. What gives me the audacity to think they’re wrong?
I don’t know the answer to that, but I do know that I won’t support McCain for the same reasons that many on this post have offered.
I am ready to admit defeat and start looking for the next generation of Conservatives. I’ll support them at the local and State level and hope for the best. This current batch of Conservatives have failed us miserably, and do not deserve our support.
We get what we vote for.
tgillian on February 9, 2008 at 6:54 AM
I’ll admit, Thompson’s and Bolton’s endorsements give me pause. I’ll wait and see who he picks for Veep.
Still and all, he’s the guy because he’s ‘the next one in line’.
Darksean on February 9, 2008 at 7:11 AM
With or without Fred’s endorsement, the alternatives to voting for McCain (stay home in protest, vote for Obama or Clinton, or write-in) aren’t acceptable to me. Either one ensures a victory for Hillary Obama (might as well merge them…they’re one and the same, really).
I’ll have to find a way to overlook McCain’s past transgressions and vote for him.
flipflop on February 9, 2008 at 7:19 AM
It’s all about the party.
The party in power = elected office, political appointments, jobs, contracts, lucrative lobbying.
The party out of power = slim pickings.
Projecting one’s own ideals onto a politician is fool’s play: they (with a few exceptions) are empty shells. What’s important is to convince them that your ideas will get them elected (i.e. give them some power). Conservatives haven’t done a very good job of that lately; we have a lot of work to do as we wander in the desert for at least the next four years.
Nichevo on February 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM
Since Thompson waited until Romney was out to endorse McCain, I think his intentions are good. Also, the fact that Hillary is tanking and it is looking more like Obama is the candidate to beat changes the game. We can beat Hillary, not as sure about Obama.
ctmom on February 9, 2008 at 7:58 AM
btw, whats going on at CPAC? Is Hucabee speaking today?
ctmom on February 9, 2008 at 8:03 AM
An endorsement of McCain AFTER McCain has already sewn up the nomination. That Fred Thompson is just the king of timing.
SoulGlo on February 9, 2008 at 8:13 AM
McCain can beat Obama because in that race McCain can get at least 40% of the Hispanic vote, and a large majority of the senior vote. To pay for all his other programs, Obama will have to cut Social Security benefits. On security issues, from FISA to military experience to the Patriot Act, McCain can close the gender gap with soccer moms. Obama wants to raise the capital gains and dividend tax from 15% to 28%. Obama can’t pay for all of the spending he wants even with all of the tax increases he currently seeks. Obama will have to hike taxes even more. In a weak economy, tax increases are the worst policy possible. Wall Street will get this and will shift their support to McCain. Obamamania might get Obama the nomination, but the ecstacy of Obama’s personality cult will fade. McCain can beat Obama.
indythinker on February 9, 2008 at 8:22 AM
ctmom on February 9, 2008 at 7:58 AM
I very much look forward to beating Obama. His inadequacy in foreign policy will be so obvious, people will begin to question “change” and “hope”.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 9, 2008 at 8:27 AM
Dear Fred,
I want my money back.
Weber48IDA on February 9, 2008 at 8:31 AM
But if Huck can just get that Liberal rating up 2 or 3% Huck will beat McCain among liberals in the primaries!
BKennedy on February 9, 2008 at 8:39 AM
He was waiting in the weeds for the perfect time to strike, don’cha know! He’s actually the master of timing!
Actually it’s probably because he spent most of the last few weeks with his ailing mother, and she’s either better or stable so he has more time to make statements.
BKennedy on February 9, 2008 at 8:40 AM
I will only vote for John McCain if he get rid of Mr Mexico -JUAN HERNANDEZ !
A-N-D
Appoints a TRUE, REAL conservative for VP.
stenwin77 on February 9, 2008 at 8:41 AM
LOU DOBBS the next POTUS! Yeah baby.
Ex-tex on February 9, 2008 at 8:54 AM
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I think we all know about your love for John McCain. Hey, why don’t you and The Chosen One go start your very own I HEART JOHN MCCAIN blog.
Others don’t agree. We remember spending our valuable time calling and faxing and screaming at our elected representatives during the amnesty crisis. We won’t soon forget it.
Also, I know someone pretty high up in the DNC – they have got the goods on Johnny boy and are orgasmic that he’s going to get the nomination. They’ll take him down – So, although he has won the battle, my friend, I’m afraid he’ll lose the war.
Why do you think all of our wonderful Republican statesmen are retiring and resigning? They know and they don’t like being in the minority.
stenwin77 on February 9, 2008 at 9:00 AM
stenwin77 on February 9, 2008 at 8:41 AM
Appoints a TRUE, REAL conservative for VP.
Not happening dude. It’s going to be Lindsey Graham and I know you border histarics are going to cry and moan all the way to the convention.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 9, 2008 at 9:08 AM
That should seal the deal.
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 9:15 AM
I don’t think so….if that were the case, he would’ve gotten it in 2000. He was next in line then too. I think he just figured out how to play the game a little better, and he got lucky when no other front runner emerged.
Priscilla on February 9, 2008 at 9:23 AM
Look HP, we real conservatives aren’t in denial like you are or were. You ran around here for months in denial about Fred. DSo much so that AP made a living poking you with a stick. So stop trying to sooth yourself by dragging everyone esle into your reality.
And here is reality……
They will swift boat McLiar so fast your head will spin.
His mom, on national TV, used giboted remarks against Mormons.
Remember how you used to go on and on about how “hot” Jeri was and how she was a reason to vote for Fred because she’d be a “hot” and cool first lady? Well guess what…..Cindy McCain is a thief. She stole drugs from a charity she set up. There are just as many people out there who take the opposite view as you and will use Cindy’s behavior against McAmericasPOW to diminish him.
McCain will soon be McFlipFlopper. That is a fact. He had nothing but contempt for many conservative ideas. He has been over the last few months softening his rhetoric to get the support of the moderate/liberal republicans. But, it wasn’t enough to win we real conservatives over. So, his is tacking harder to the right to eat crow and convince real conservatives that he has learned his lesson. This is his “flip” from liberal beliefs. In the general he has to go back to his liberal stances. That will be his “flop”. His status as “America’s POW” will not save him from his flip flopping.
His poor health will be an issue.
His erratic behavior will also be used against him.
Get used to it HP. It’s the McLiar shills who have given him to us. And even though you are on his side, he wont have one chance of winning until he can convince we real conservatives that is has changed his spots.
csdeven on February 9, 2008 at 9:33 AM
Consider the larger picture and the nature of the opposition.
Ask yourself the following questions – and ponder your answers from this day until election day:
Do we have a better chance of defeating Islamoterrorism with Hillary/Obama or with John McCain?
Do we have a better chance of appointing constructionist Supreme Court and appellate court justices with Hillary/Obama or with John McCain?
Do we have a better chance of cutting away pork barrel fat with Hillary/Obama or with John McCain?
If you had to bet your life (and it very well may be your life) on the best chance our republic has for survival in the next four years, would you bet on Clinton/Obama or John McCain?
Now is the time to consider carefully and not act rashly or hasitily. We still have half a year to go and a lot can happen in that time.
NemoParticularis on February 9, 2008 at 9:37 AM
I don’t think Fred! is backing McCain so much as he is endorsing the Republican candidate.
I’m as big a FredHead as they come. I wasn’t even going to vote for anyone until I saw Fred’s YouTube video to Iowans and then it became clear that he was the one I wanted to vote for.
But Fred! is a Republican. He is supporting the party. The party sucketh mightily right now, but I can see where he is coming from.
Hillary/Obama or McCain? I don’t like any of those options and Fred! will be getting my vote in the TX Primary, but a Republican backing a Republican candidate is not that shocking.
Fred! 2012
SimplyKimberly on February 9, 2008 at 9:45 AM
I wasn’t making myself clear. I do not believe John acted shamefully while he was a POW. I also believe he did not have an illegitimate child. But that didn’t stop them from saying it and it derailing him did it?
They will say he betrayed us. (They said Petraeus betrayed us. But it didn’t matter it was a lie did it?)
They will say his mom is a gibot. (She has nothing to do with his candidacy, but that wont stop them)
They will call his wife a thief, and ask what kind of shenanigans she is going to play once the first lady. (This is a legitimate point. The first lady is supposed to be classy. Especially on the republican side.)
They will call him a warmonger who wants to bomb Iran. (that statement was a joke from him, but again, that wont stop them from saying it)
They will also say he wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years. (the context will be ignored, but again, that wont matter.
Then we have the Keating 5, his flip flops, etc, etc, etc.
McLiar will try to defend this stuff just like you did. It will at the minimum, take him off message, and at the worst, he’ll pop a cork and have a Dean moment.
csdeven on February 9, 2008 at 9:47 AM
And he seems to want it more. Fred’s angle as the reluctant president made alot of people think his heart just was not in it. I really think the pharse “opposites attract” is very much in play here. McCain is just as egomaniacal as Rush. Maybe that’s why I like them both.
myamphibian on February 9, 2008 at 9:51 AM
Say, go check out the lead story, then tell us again what Graham meant when he called us bigots in his speech to La Raza.
http://michellemalkin.com/
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 9:53 AM
Not nearly as orgasmic as if Romney or Huck had got the nomination you tool. They were looking forward to Romney becoming the GOP’s version of flaky John Kerry almost as much as the Huck becoming the GOP’s version of Jimmy Carter circa 1980. Why on earth do you think Daily Kos were encouraging indies to vote for him all over the place – because they wanted to face the GOP’s strongest opponent?? It is always a good idea to understand the psychology of one’s enemies.
The idea that the Democrats aren’t going to blitzkrieg any candidate that the GOP puts up is bizarre. This is one of the first principles of US politics. It will happen as sure as night follows day. But you completely misread their line of attack. GWB is, unfortunately, deeply unpopular, and the caricature of him in the MSM is as a right-wing extremist. The DNC plan is it will get votes by painting McCain as a right-wing ‘extremist’ not as a liberal. Believe you me, they are not going to go after him for being too soft on immigrants. And if Hillary’s the candidate the last thing their strategists will do is blast Jonny Mac’s long-past marital troubles.
So your defeatist crap begs the question: are you a Democratic plant?
Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Have you had a chance to read Malkin’s lead story today? If so, what do you think of it? Should it just be ignored?
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Well actually, it seems that some people think that illegal immigrants are just the ones that come across the mexican border. People come here from all over the world and overstay their visas. They come here for jobs that americans give them. We need comprehensive immigration reform, but if the truth be told, I do think some would just settle for removing the hispanics. Unfortunately the human race is not above racism and bigotry.
myamphibian on February 9, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Since you are responding to my reference to malkin’s lead story, is that your analysis/conclusion of her motive for writing it?
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Correction. I see your reference was not to Malkin’s story. My mistake. What do you think of her article? True?
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Gah. Do you understand the first thing about Democrats? His mother is 96 years old – slating a little old lady will bring utter contempt from the media not votes. And most liberals think of Mormons about as highly as they do fundamentalist evangelicals i.e. as a band of gibots. This tactic has about as much chance of paying off as WJC talking about race in South Carolina.
Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 10:09 AM
Part of being a conservative is being pragmatic. Keyes says all the right stuff, just like Fred did, and Paul did, but a candidate has to be electable. He is not and never will be able to speak to the swing voters.
Romney was by far not a 100% conservative. He started to run that way, but it was just too soon since being a moderate. But he was also by far the person closet to conservatism, had the experience, and was acceptable to the swing voters.
All these predictions I made came true.
Fred was too ho-hum to get the nomination.
Mitt would be derailed by evangelical giborty and his poor stance on the war.
Huckabee would do well because he was very likable. I didn’t realize he was a gibot.
I knew that if one of our candidates got through the primary season without being properly vetted, we would be in trouble during the general because the Clinton machine surly would.
Well all that has come true and now he we are, because people who think being slavishly devoted to a candidate with no regard for his electability is enough to make him palpable to the swing voters, here we are with the most likely scenario of having a 100% dem controlled federal government.
csdeven on February 9, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Democrats? Swing voters matter in the general, not the democrats. These are people who can be swung either way very easily.
McLiar is toast because no one will vote for a guy whose mom is a gibot. Of whose wife is a thief. Or who behaved poorly while in a POW camp. That is how they will frame it and you’d better wise up and get used to it.
csdeven on February 9, 2008 at 10:13 AM
I guess another thread will open for this on HA, but no, I don’t think it should be ignored. Lamm seems to be a typical deluded and dangerous post-modern pseudo-liberal, but I’m having difficulty comprehending how anyone in his position could author such a piece of crap as the piece quoted – what does he gain from ‘destroying America’? Are we to believe he is some kind of mexican agent or just a masochistic maniac? Does he deny writing the piece?
Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 10:21 AM
NO, but are you saying that racism is not a factor for some?
myamphibian on February 9, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Interesting…
tommylotto on February 9, 2008 at 10:28 AM
Pax, I think the piece is meant as sarcasm, much like Ann Coulter supporting Hillary. It’s a tactic left over from the high-school civitan club. You need a motivator when not enough people signed up for the bake sale, so someone makes a motion to disban the entire organizaton.
myamphibian on February 9, 2008 at 10:28 AM
You, like all McLiar shills think the we true conservatives can provide McShamnest the presidency. We cannot. We can only give him a slim chance.
In November, when the cranky establishment old white dude is up against the youthful, articulate, hopeful African American, people are going to choose between the two.
In Obama they have many attractive traites to vote for. And one of the biggest ones will be that this country, when it elects a black president, will finally be able to put it’s racist roots to the ash heap of history.
Do you know how many people will be ready to vote for him just so they don’t have to be accused of being part of a racist culture any longer? Even if they are not racists themselves, they will think it’s about time to make the final gesture of acceptance of blacks as equals.
Mark this day in your calender. You will rue the day you ever supported Juan McShamnesty.
csdeven on February 9, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Why would the swing voters not like Keyes – because he is a fan of Star Trek? C’mon now – Keyes is far more eloquent, more intelligent, more of a patriot, and more electable than Paul could ever be with all his pandering to the deluded conspiracy nuts. The reason his campaign hasn’t taken off is because of lack of exposure and backing from the conservative right. He was a much better candidate to gather around than any of the others, and should have been up there in the final race for delegates, were it not for hypocrisy of these so called real conservatives.
Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Oops! Maybe I’m taking things a bit too seriously this morning!
Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Of course not. However, Graham didn’t include that qualifier in his speech. It was intended to paint all opposition in the worst light possible. You know that and so does everyone else. McCain did the same thing with his “loud folks” remark. IMO, racism is not a major factor in opposition any more than Islamophobia is a driving force in our WOT. You see what happens when identity strawman arguments are used? It just solidifies the opposition who know the slurs are intended to discredit them. So, look what you’ve got now.
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Meh.
csdeven on February 9, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Keyes is shrill, annoying, and obnoxious. It’s all part of the electability factor I was trying to explain to you. He’s like RP.
csdeven on February 9, 2008 at 10:34 AM
There is a lot more on Keyes than his weird pregame, warmup routines. I’m not going to hijack this thread with it, but there is information available from official sources, regarding his financial relationships with Chris Simcox, and a vipers nest of intermingling PACs which all appear to benefit him financially. If he were a serious candidate, the donks would take him down in a milisecond.
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Yes, much like the strawman argument that says McCain favors wide open borders.
myamphibian on February 9, 2008 at 10:44 AM
All we have to go on is what we’ve seen him do. For the parallel you are trying to draw to exist, all opposition to open borders is actively racist in nature.
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 10:49 AM
I thought it was all about sticking to real conservative principles?
Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 10:49 AM
Veep is a useless figurehead position. It means nothing.
I’m disappointed in Fred, and will no longer write him in. I would not vote for John McCain, even if his tongue came notorized.
I will however be supporting and voting for the Conservative congressional and State races, but Mickey Mouse will be getting my presidential support this year.
Hey, a fictitious talking mouse makes more sense than a back-stabbing RINO. :)JK
Well said, CS.
tickleddragon on February 9, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Any links or evidence, or is this just the rumour mill working overtime?
Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Pax, I’ve always liked Keyes, however someone (I forget who) recently pegged him accurately when they said he’s the court jester of the Republican Party. He comes in, does something silly and then dissapears. He would not be a good choice for veep….But with that said. It’s a largely meaningless post, so maybe it makes sense for him.
tickleddragon on February 9, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Lots of them, all official. I need to get permission to post them, but if a thread on Keyes ever comes up here, I’ll see what I can do. I try not to hijack if I can help it. Just keep an open mind about Keyes.
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 11:02 AM
And you are not going by what he does or says, you’re strictly fueled by hatred for McCain. Your arguments against him are totally strawman in nature and will stop at nothing to distort the mans character. I sure wish I had your crystal ball, you seem to know exactly what everyone is thinking and what they will do before they even do it. George Bush first mentioned immigration reform with securing the border in 1996. He was immediately bashed for it on our side because he had the gall to suggest revising our guest worker program. So tell me smartass, where is your plan for mass deportation at gunpoint?
myamphibian on February 9, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I’m Irish. We were treated like dirt when we got off the boat too.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 9, 2008 at 11:15 AM
After November reality is going to bite for all of us Allah.
boomer on February 9, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Has McCain actually ever voted for open borders? Or is this just taint by association with his imbecile volunteer worker Hernandez? If McCain sacked Hernandez tomorrow, would the charge still stick?
Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Shame on Fred.
Montana on February 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Hollowpoint on February 9, 2008 at 2:12 AM
Politically paralleling an STD, at best in his own words, your critic “is shrill, annoying, and obnoxious.” That preening “gibot” has yet to recognize his own collateral damage to the conservative movement. Like an STD ridden whoring bastard, he persists in publicly spewing his selfishly juvenile delinquent “contributions” to foray the conservative coalition.
maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 11:35 AM
1. Enforce the laws.
2. Severely penalize employers who hire illegals, with special care being given to those who aid in bringing them across as a cheap labor source.
3. Elimiate free social services for illegals.
4. Eliminate federal funds for sanctuary cities which encourage and protect lawbreakers.
Nobody gets deported at gunpoint. The feds can’t use the excuse of not having enough resources to round them up. If they don’t have an income, are deprived of free social services, and are not allowed shelter in sanctuaries, they will leave on their own. Problem solved. I might add that you re perfectly free to contribute any amount of your paycheck you want to their care and feeding. Just don’t use part of mine to do it. Is that racist? I don’t think so.
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 11:37 AM
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 11:37 AM
If they pay their own way, can they stay?
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 9, 2008 at 11:49 AM
We all have to get over ourselves in order to UNITE; Fredheads, Mitt’ns, Mcaniacs, Hucksters, Keyeites, Paulists, et.al. As soon as we drop the vendettas against eachother, we succeed in concerted effort to FORCE McCain’s platform to literally bing itself to us. McCain NEEDS us more than we want him; WE HAVE THE UPPER HAND. Don’t waste this single remaining opportunity to succeed in 2008.
The biggest issue that we all agree upon is to prevent usurping aliens exploiting and dissolving our Constitutional government’s primal authority and responsibility to protect citizen’s rights and secure borders.
UPON THE CONSTITUTION’S INTEGRITY OUR EXISTENCE SURVIVES.
The final hour for the final battle is dawning. Bad or good, quit bitching and soldier up to unitedly force McCain’s hand prior to casting our united GOP vote against the Democratic worse and worst ballot choices.
Whoever says that giving the Democrat’s enough rope to hang themselves sounds the blind suicidal masochist voice. Pushing that ideology on others leaves one on sadist territory.
United we stand ever since the American Revolution:
“america will never be Conker.d unless it is by themselves. If they would be of one hart and one mind, and even admit that the enemy Could march from one part to another, they Cant keep the Ground when they have got it…I hope the Country will not be Discourag,d at our making some mis-steps at first, we are new but Shall be old in time as well as they.” Colonel William Douglas, 6th Connecticut, d.1777 age 35.
maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 11:51 AM
If the burglar in your house gives you a fiver, can he keep your stuff?
tickleddragon on February 9, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Path of least resistance.
Speakup on February 9, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Well said ‘a capella’. Let’s hope your 4 points come to fruitation before ‘the boys’ take matters into their own hands and run ‘em out of town with or without guns. People are fed up with ‘em and want ‘em gone. People want LEGAL immigration. It seems like a long shot or a dream seeing them gone especially if we get Barracko or the Clintasses in office or for that matter even McJerk. I just don’t see the ‘G’ doin’ it. I think it will be left up to the private citizens or the local state houses like what’s happening in Arizona. A friend says that they are leaving in droves and the locals really like it that way.
countywolf on February 9, 2008 at 11:58 AM
We all have to get over ourselves in order to UNITE; Fredheads, Mitt’ns, Mcaniacs, Hucksters, Keyeites, Paulists, et.al. As soon as we drop the vendettas against eachother, we succeed in concerted effort to FORCE McCain’s platform to literally bing itself to us. McCain NEEDS us more than we want him; WE HAVE THE UPPER HAND. Don’t waste this single remaining opportunity to succeed in 2008.
The biggest issue that we all agree upon is to prevent usurping aliens exploiting and dissolving our Constitutional government’s primal authority and responsibility to protect citizen’s rights and secure borders.
UPON THE CONSTITUTION’S INTEGRITY OUR EXISTENCE SURVIVES.
Whoever promotes giving the Democrat’s enough rope to hang themselves is blindly a suicidal masochist. Pushing that ideology on others leaves one on sadist territory.
Since the American Revolution we have succeeded together:
maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Show me the money.
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Close the border now. The ones who are here now should stay.
They helped build this country and should be part of the American dream. This also means they should be held to the same standard regarding taxes, legalities, etc. After the strain on OUR resources, the only thing I’m mad at illegals for is that it’s always a swordfight. How bout’bringin some of that latin female love north of the border?
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 9, 2008 at 12:02 PM
20 million poor illegal immigrants economically forced in the span of one year to return to a shaky third world economy. That is about 57,000 extra mouths to feed every day for 365 days straight. You guys must be a bunch of murderous blood thirsty genocidal maniacs.
tommylotto on February 9, 2008 at 12:05 PM
chosen one, “This also means they should be held to the same standard regarding taxes, legalities, etc.”
So concede to legalities prior to asking absolution.
maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 12:05 PM
My best friend’s daughter was recently married to a fine, young Mexican kid who is here waiting for his citizenship application to be processed, as is his entire family. They are all good people and will make excellent citizens. Martin tells me they have been standing in line for a very long period of time trying to do it the right way. Says a lot for our system, doesn’t it? They don’t belong to La Raza. Maybe that is the problem?
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 12:09 PM
maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Sorry bro. You should have spoken up ten years ago when they were mowing your yard and scrubbing your toilets.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 9, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Nothing like that at all. we’re just racists, bigots, and nativists,..at least that’s what I’m told.
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Ten years ago, you were in grade school.
Proudly, I consistently vote conservatively and maintain my own home with my own hands.
maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Then you should have mentioned it to your neighbor, and your neighbor’s neighbor. Doesn’t seem to me that you have a problem expressing yourself here.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 9, 2008 at 12:16 PM
No. For a few hundred thousand you would be a consistent conservative with a due respect for the rule of law. Somewhere north of 3 or 4 million, though, you became a well meaning conservative, but one who is ignorant of the actual consequences of trying to undo such a massing wave of human migration. Either that or you guys are a bunch of murderous blood thirsty genocidal maniacs who are probably racists, bigots, and nativists as well.
tommylotto on February 9, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Exactly! Mitt Romney is not even willing to pay americans to mow his lawn. I guess that just makes him a saavy businessman.
myamphibian on February 9, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Those who want their money back from illegals, I suggest asking employers in this country who keep insisting they’ll go out of business without cheap labor. It’s bull.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 9, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Not for Allah, he never takes a position. He is a fence-sitter sophist.
Montana on February 9, 2008 at 12:24 PM
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 12:09 PM
That reality is left untended as-is by the liberals in order to force public opinion to over react and grant amnesty.
Reason would conclude that the current laws must be enforced and the existing government bureaucracy needs to be whipped into shape to perform their job descriptions accurately and promptly without further delay.
The only new legislation improving job performance would entail employment records–how many errors a government employee commits on the job, accuracy and performance efficiency reflected in pay scale ratio and termination.
maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 12:25 PM
wow this is meat!! (jerky that is)
gr8inferno on February 9, 2008 at 12:25 PM
I’m not on “his side”; I share the same legitimate criticisms that many others here do- McCain-Kenedy, McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lautenberg, Gang of 14, tax cuts, etc. These are all fair game.
However stooping to mindlessly attacking his elderly mother, his wife and POW status is nothing short of sleazy and despicable. Tell you what- how about you stay locked up in my basement closet for a few years with some intermittant torture thrown in- then you can have something to say about McCain’s POW experience. Until then, you don’t.
And given that you strongly supported the biggest flip-flopper in the race who also lied more than a couple of times, I’m not sure you’re in a position to be constantly calling another candidate a liar and flip-flopper. A lot of McCain’s positions are bad, but he’s been pretty consistant in keeping them, like it or not.
He’s going to be the nominee; for all practical purposes he is the nominee already. Showing a little respect for the man is in order, even if we strongly disagree with his record and stance on the issues.
Hollowpoint on February 9, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Sigh….
FRED! just became…
Wow…. CS was right… Fred is lame….
sigh…
End of any conservative hope this year. The Republican party is rallying behind a Democrat because he now says the “right” thing…
This is the entire problem with American politics writ large… its not about principals, its about winning…
Romeo13 on February 9, 2008 at 12:30 PM
They are free to work for any wage they want. Employers are happy to pay that wage. Employers also support policy which will permit them to continue doing so. I imagine employers make large campaign contributions to candidates who will then see things their way. So, whose fault is it that illegals don’t have enough money to pay their own way?
a capella on February 9, 2008 at 12:31 PM
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