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McCain: Fred told me he’ll support me, I swear; Update: Fred endorses McCain

posted at 5:40 pm on February 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I’m sorry to be the one to have to break the news. Well, no, that’s not true. Heh.

The Bolton endorsement and the Fred endorsement on the same day? SECOND LOOK AT POSSIBLY NOT STAYING HOME!

While campaigning in Wichita, this afternoon with KS senator and former presidential candidate Sam Brownback, John McCain announced that he had recently received the support of another former candidate.

“I also spoke again yesterday to my friend Fred Thompson who assured me he is ready to do whatever it takes to help me win the election in November,” McCain said. “I’m very proud to have the friendship and support of Fred Thompson as well.”

The campaign would not confirm whether Thompson officially endorsed McCain or not, and sources close to Thompson did not immediately return phone inquiries. Thompson did serve as a national co-chair of McCain’s 2000 presidential campaign but has not announced formal support since he dropped out of the race last month.

Why no formal endorsement yet? Is Fred picking his spot? Or is it that he simply can’t rouse himself? “Yeah, I’ll just call John. Let him tell them.” Not that Maverick needs either him or JB (yet): The first poll in Virginia since October is finally out. 63 delegates at stake, winner take all — say goodnight, Huck. In fact, it’s actually a re-poll taken after Mitt dropped out; compare the earlier results with him still in the race and you’ll see that McCain actually gains more from his departure than Huckabee does.

Exit question: When does Dobson form his exploratory committee?

Update: The moment of truth is at hand.

“This is no longer about past preferences or differences. It is about what is best for our country and for me that means that Republican should close ranks behind John McCain,” Thompson said in a statement reported by the Associated Press.


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If labor costs exceed what we are willing to pay for a product or service, they will go out of business. The reality is, the american consumer has played a big part in this. We want cheap towels and our toilets scrubbed, but we don’t want our kids to work in a textile factory or grow up to be maids. I guess the answer is government work programs like they had in the 30’s. Of course we need a depression so people will sign up.

myamphibian on February 9, 2008 at 12:34 PM

Either that or you guys are a bunch of murderous blood thirsty genocidal maniacs who are probably racists, bigots, and nativists as well.

tommylotto on February 9, 2008 at 12:21 PM

O.K. You’ve convinced me.

a capella on February 9, 2008 at 12:35 PM

He’s going to be the nominee; for all practical purposes he is the nominee already. Showing a little respect for the man is in order, even if we strongly disagree with his record and stance on the issues.

Hollowpoint on February 9, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Why do you say he deserves respect? Because he is the presumptive nominee (as your paragraph seems to allude)? Or because he was a POW and fought in the military?

Spirit of 1776 on February 9, 2008 at 12:39 PM

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 9, 2008 at 12:16 PM
You presume too much in order to make your point at other’s expense, whether warranted or not. Gardening is a healthy hobby. The majority in our community maintain their own lawns. The few who hire out lawn care are single working women. Of course, there are many upscale neighborhoods that contract all manual labor. Why this matters to you, only you know. We agree that the onus rests upon employers to verify accuracy of resident status via ready government information, yes? Hence, enhancing the flow of accurate documentation of employee US resident status must be accomplished.

maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Why do you say he deserves respect? Because he is the presumptive nominee (as your paragraph seems to allude)? Or because he was a POW and fought in the military?

Spirit of 1776 on February 9, 2008 at 12:39 PM

Both. And also because the over the top personal attacks reflect far worse on those making them then they do McCain.

He’s the nominee- there are no other challengers left with a chance of beating him. So what purpose do the nasty attacks serve? What good will it do? Answer: None.

I plan on sitting out the presidential election in protest; that’s a perfectly legitimate response. But no point in being a jerk about it, though.

Hollowpoint on February 9, 2008 at 12:45 PM

HP, thanks for the answer. I agree about personal attacks, though the point is valid about what MSM will now do to him.

I don’t see McCain having earned respect save for his military service. Courtesy is one thing, respect another.

Spirit of 1776 on February 9, 2008 at 12:48 PM

If our “true conservative” leaders would actually practice “free trade” we wouldn’t be in the situation we’re in. We are currently trading with many countries who bend or flat out break the rules of the game. Mav has a great record on keeping a close eye on corporate greed. I think this is a huge plus. He’s not for socialism, but he’s not pushed around easily by lobbyist and fellow legislators either.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 9, 2008 at 12:50 PM

Spirit of 1776 on February 9, 2008 at 12:39 PM

Were you not a Mitt supporter? Contemplate WWMD as you gather your thoughts this weekend. Align where Mitt and McCain agreed and continue to support that. Align where McCain outshines either Democrat and support that conservative agenda. Align where you and other readers agree and support an alliance. No conservative need resign in defeat to the Democrats. Every conservative voice is needed in order to capitulate liberalism from the GOP POTUS Platform and recapitulate conservatism prior to the vote.

Most of us never got to vote before our men succumbed to the GOP system. That issue remains to be dealt with another day. At present, McCain needs us more than we want him. Our vote still matters. Winners never quit. Quitters never win.

maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 12:55 PM

He’s the nominee- there are no other challengers left with a chance of beating him. So what purpose do the nasty attacks serve? What good will it do? Answer: None.

I plan on sitting out the presidential election in protest; that’s a perfectly legitimate response. But no point in being a jerk about it, though.

Hollowpoint on February 9, 2008 at 12:45 PM

I think a large part of the nastiness about McCain here derives from the taunting of his trolls. I’m not sure they even support him, but goblins like The Chosen One are now praising the thought of Graham as a VP candidate and followup presidential candidate, knowing it will create return fire. Some of it gets out of hand. The same thing started going on with the Huckster trolls. Discussions here have degenerated sharply since the last registration. Now, a good share of it is troll activity and the responses. I notice the absence of several seasoned, thoughtful posters since the plague began.

a capella on February 9, 2008 at 12:59 PM

a capella on February 9, 2008 at 12:59 PM

The fact that you don’t realize you’re a troll amuses the hell outta me.

myamphibian on February 9, 2008 at 1:05 PM

maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 12:55 PM

Nope.

Spirit of 1776 on February 9, 2008 at 1:05 PM

If labor costs exceed what we are willing to pay for a product or service, they will go out of business. The reality is, the american consumer has played a big part in this. We want cheap towels and our toilets scrubbed, but we don’t want our kids to work in a textile factory or grow up to be maids. I guess the answer is government work programs like they had in the 30’s. Of course we need a depression so people will sign up.

myamphibian on February 9, 2008 at 1:06 PM

The fact that you don’t realize you’re a troll amuses the hell outta me.

myamphibian on February 9, 2008 at 1:05 PM

Good. I’ve been meaning to tell you to develop a sense of humor and don’t take defeat too seriously. It happens to us all, at some point.

a capella on February 9, 2008 at 1:09 PM

American by birth, Goblin by the grace of god.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 9, 2008 at 1:09 PM

a capella on February 9, 2008 at 1:09 PM

As a “McCain troll” I don’t feel the least bit defeated. I’m sorry if I interrupted you and csdeven’s little circle jerk by signing up to comment at Hotair. Obviously our gracious hosts are not as opposed to varying opinions as trolls like you are.

myamphibian on February 9, 2008 at 1:14 PM

I promised myself to write-in Fred Thompson when he resigned his POTUS campaign. Ever distrustful of Romney, I subsequently sought reasons to support him vs. McCain before Mitt’s departure from the ballot. Yesterday the AP announced in Fred’s behalf a sort-of endorsement that Thompson himself is not posting at Fred08.com or by television video. I sent him a “shout-out” at fredthompson.com asking him to verify the AP announcement at fred08.com and maybe he will, maybe he won’t. At this point, Fred gave America his best and owes the GOP system no more. Fred would not hurt the GOP by un-endorsing a falsely announced endorsement. If he truly endorses McCain, that is fine by me. There are more issues on the burner than my pet interests.

Earlier as primary season began, we all contemplated whom we would prefer being stuck with in a foxhole under enemy fire. Review and recommend from remaining choices;
McCain: yes
Hillary: no
Obama: no

maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 1:15 PM

hollowpoint, don’t sit out the coming election.
Show up and vote for conservatives. At least write-in. Never give up while you still have at least the option of voting. At best, you still have the option of garnering an alliance to strengthen your voice. “This little light of mine, I’m gonna let it shine.”

maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 1:23 PM

For all you who refuse to support McCain (and I’m not crazy about him either)… what is the alternative?

Are you going to support Hillary? Or the #1 ranked liberal in the Senate, Hussein Osama?

If you’re just going to stay home, then you don’t really have room to complain for the next 4 years about whoever the President is.

Fred did the right thing. After dropping out, he stayed out of the process until it weeded itself out, and is now supporting the party’s frontrunner. That’s what a good Republican should do.

The Huckster doesn’t have the class to step aside for the good of the party, because he’s only in this for himself.

bigred on February 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM

I wonder if, by chance, Huckabee actually pulled this out, that all the “you better support McCain” crowd folk will support Huckabee.

Just a thought.

HYTEAndy on February 9, 2008 at 2:18 PM

I wonder if, by chance, Huckabee actually pulled this out, that all the “you better support McCain” crowd folk will support Huckabee.

Just a thought.

HYTEAndy on February 9, 2008 at 2:18 PM

I believe there was some talk early on by social conservatives that if Rudy got the nomination, they would stay home. That has pretty much gone away, they now favor party unity, and I think would probably favor it even more were the Huckster to claim the prize.

a capella on February 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM

I wonder if, by chance, Huckabee actually pulled this out, that all the “you better support McCain” crowd folk will support Huckabee.

Just a thought.

HYTEAndy on February 9, 2008 at 2:18 PM

I don’t see maverick muse, myamphibian, Chakra, Chosen One etc. screaming troll at everyone who disagrees with them, or smearing candidates with callous and contemptible smears like csd. Neither have I seen any indication that they would vociferously undermine whoever was the democratically elected GOP nominee. In a democracy politics involves a degree of compromise by its very nature; the GOP is not the communist party for goodness sake.

Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 2:33 PM

I still predict Huckabee/Thomspon defeats Obama/Edwards this November.

I don’t see Thompson officially endorsing McCain, but in the off chance that he does, my backup prediction is
Huckabee/Steele defeats Obama/Edwards this November.

Huck will rise and McCain’s angry side will show its ugly face, just as it did in 2000 when McCain felt that Bush was stealing “his” (McCain’s) Presidency.

For all of the comments about Huck’s ego, it’s McCain’s ego that is out of line. McCain wants the presidency for selfish, egotistical reasons. Like him or not, Huck (like Mitt) truly wants the presidency for the good of the country. Huck will tack right on things like taxes and immigration, and he has and will surround himself with people that bear evidence of that, unlike Juan McCain.

Edwards doesn’t care whether Hillary or Obama gets the nomination, he just wants to be VP for his own selfish reasons. I don’t see a Clinton/Obama ticket or an Obama/Clinton ticket because there is too much bad blood between them. Obama is on the rise, and Clinton will get nastier towards him. Interesting parallel between how McCain will view Huck and how Clinton views Obama…both will feel that “their” nomination is being “stolen” from them.

Obama/Edwards will be two “fresh young faces of change”. But Huckabee/Thompson or Huckabee/Steele will be likeable, reasonable faces for sanity, and they will win. Few people realize how marginally the democrats have won the presidency since 1900. Billy Jeff never got 50% of the popular vote in either of his elections. Neither did Kennedy or Truman. Carter was a “squeaker” at 50.1%. The only two Democratic presidents who got a greater percentage of the popular vote than George W. Bush got in 2004 were FDR and LBJ. Go check the numbers yourself.

Forget your personal feelings towards Huckabee. Listen (really listen) to what he is saying. Look at who he is surrounding himself with in his campaign. We don’t have to go with McCain – he is the current leader, but he is not the nominee and he would likely be the loser in a matchup against Obama/Edwards.

Stop focusing so much attention on “McCain’s pick for VP” and focus on our party’s pick for President. First things first. Who do you want nominating Supreme Court justices? I for one do not trust McCain with that responsibility, but I do trust Huckabee with it.

ITookTheRedPill on February 9, 2008 at 2:36 PM

RedPill, Huckabee is a liberal douchebag, and FRED would never support him.

bigred on February 9, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Forget your personal feelings towards Huckabee. Listen (really listen) to what he is saying.

Some people have listened to what Huckabee is saying.

Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Guess he didn’t need to swear after all…

DMeNTe on February 9, 2008 at 2:54 PM

I wonder if, by chance, Huckabee actually pulled this out, that all the “you better support McCain” crowd folk will support Huckabee.

Just a thought.

HYTEAndy on February 9, 2008 at 2:18 PM

They’d be too busy dodging the flying pigs to support anybody.

Hollowpoint on February 9, 2008 at 3:02 PM

For the record, I wasn’t endorsing Huck or anything like that, just wondering what would happen if he won.

HYTEAndy on February 9, 2008 at 3:07 PM

The answer is no, I would NEVER vote for Huckabee. I’m not crazy about McCain, but at least I can trust him to fight the War on Terror and not surrender in Iraq.

Besides, the Huckster CANNOT WIN. He needs 83.3% of the remaining vote. He’s not going to get it.

There are only around 1200 delegates left standing, and he would need around 1100. He’s not going to get those either.

Romney sure as hell won’t give Huckster his delegates.

Give it up. Go back to Arkansas and heal the lepers.

bigred on February 9, 2008 at 3:09 PM

Huck just won the Kansas caucuses.

johnny dollar on February 9, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Keyes is shrill, annoying, and obnoxious
csdeven on February 9, 2008 at 10:34 AM

Pot, meet kettle.

You’ve used the same spew on so many different candidates, it’s getting eerie.

Ever been test for Tourette’s Syndrome?

Just asking….

Nichevo on February 9, 2008 at 3:36 PM

a capella on February 9, 2008 at 1:09 PM

As a “McCain troll” I don’t feel the least bit defeated. I’m sorry if I interrupted you and csdeven’s little circle jerk by signing up to comment at Hotair. Obviously our gracious hosts are not as opposed to varying opinions as trolls like you are.

myamphibian on February 9, 2008 at 1:14 PM

myamphibian dosn’t strike me as a troll, but one with some opposing views which s/he logically articulates, ie, he is welcome. Opposing voices are welcome, rompre room crap is not. Hence, imho, myamphibian is a positive addition…if we only talk to people we agree with, it’s hard to hone perspective.

JustTruth101 on February 9, 2008 at 3:48 PM

Huck just won the Kansas caucuses.

johnny dollar on February 9, 2008 at 3:31 PM

I’m not surprised. Are you?

Foxnews says:

Former Arkansas governor projected as winner of Kansas GOP caucus, demonstrating lingering rift in party after John McCain was minted the clear frontrunner following Super Tuesday victories

“clear frontrunner” is not the same thing as “winner”. The nomination is not over until it’s over. Huck will be the nominee. Watch and see.

Huckster trolls. Discussions here have degenerated sharply since the last registration. Now, a good share of it is troll activity and the responses. I notice the absence of several seasoned, thoughtful posters since the plague began.

a capella on February 9, 2008 at 12:59 PM

Ahem. In case you are including me in your reference, I am not a “Huckster troll”. As I’ve said before my first choice was Fred. Believing that Huck is the better of our two remaining choices, especially when it comes to Supreme Court justice nominations, is “seasoned and thoughtful”.

ITookTheRedPill on February 9, 2008 at 3:59 PM

I will start by saying I have not decided if Mac will get my vote.

1. Mac has taken many positions that I do not agree with, and my principles tell me I can not support
2. As an average American the only way we can voice our agreement or disagreement is with our vote.

But what some here on HA do not understand, is that the problem conservatives are facing is much bigger than that. I am only 28 so in explaining this I am only going to use examples familiar to me. Let’s take a look at some of the prior GOP nominees

1. Dole: I have a tremendous amount of respect for his service to our country, but at best he was a moderate. I was just starting to pay close attention to politics at this point
2. GW Bush: He has held steadfast in the face of much opposition in the WOT. For that alone he deserves the Worlds respect. That said, I have been very disappointed in most other aspects of his administration.
I was not old enough to cast a vote for Dole, but would have. If I remember correctly the mantra then was anyone but Clinton… sound familiar. Although I did not agree with Dole on all the issues, I would have gone along for what I believed was the less of two evils.

I did vote for GW the 1st time. At the time I cast my vote I felt his views we very similar to mine. This was my 1st election to participate in, and I realize now that I did not dig deep enough. I did not do the work necessary to make sure that GW was the conservative I thought he was.

In GW re-election bid, I cast my vote for him again. At this point, I had grown to realize the folly of my conclusions about his first candidacy. He was not the conservative that I had hoped he would be. I started to dig deep into his record and do the necessary research to make an informed decision. Turns out his views on the issues differed greatly form mine. The WOT was too important though. Once again I voted for the lesser of two evils.

Now we have McCain…. What to do? Every principle I have tells me there is no way I can support this man. Once again, however, there are some very important issues to consider 1st.

1. The WOT. The threat this country faces is still very real and just as dangerous

2. Supreme Court justices. I am not entirely sure that McCain will make the right decisions on this, but I know without a doubt the Dem. nominee will not.

Basically I have to decide if I cast my principles aside once again, and vote for the lesser of two evils.

The problem with this is: At what point do I say enough is enough, and stand up for what I believe in. When do I tell the GOP.. NO I will not support a party that no longer stands for the things that I do. As I mentioned before the only way I can voice my dissent is with my vote. It is quite obvious by now that as long as I continue to show my support, by giving them my vote, nothing will change.

I write this in the hope that someone here, wiser than me, may be able to answer some of these questions

modin5540 on February 9, 2008 at 3:59 PM

Ahem. In case you are including me in your reference, I am not a “Huckster troll”. As I’ve said before my first choice was Fred. Believing that Huck is the better of our two remaining choices, especially when it comes to Supreme Court justice nominations, is “seasoned and thoughtful”.

ITookTheRedPill on February 9, 2008 at 3:59 PM

No, I don’t categorize people with differing opinions as trolls. I don’t want either Huck or McCain as our nominee, but they both have good points, and to deny it is foolish. Likewise, opposing them does not make one a hater, either.

a capella on February 9, 2008 at 4:04 PM

modin5540 on February 9, 2008 at 3:59 PM

“Now we have McCain…”

No, It’s not over yet.

What to do?

If you have an upcoming primary or caucus, vote for Huckabee. He will fight the WOT and will make the right decisions on Supreme Court nominations. If your primary or caucus is already over, consider donating to Huck’s campaign. I understand that Huck’s past is not that of a conservative, but neither is McCain’s, and Huck is our best choice now.

ITookTheRedPill on February 9, 2008 at 4:36 PM

unky chicken on February 8, 2008 at 11:47 PM

It’s already starting isn’t it?

We told you that McShamnesty would be vetted eventually. The problem is when all the trash about McLiar is out in the open, it’ll be too late for you to whine for the guy who didn’t have the baggage car full of dirt that McLiar has.

Thanks to you and those like you, even we, the real conservatives, aren’t going to be able to cover for your piss poor judgment by getting completely behind McVanity.

The regular Joe voter will find out about McDirtbags shameful behavior as a POW. His mom is a gibot. His wife is a drug thief. He is a flip flopping liar and is way too old and has too many health issues to be an effect president.

Regular Joe voter will have two choices……

Old white guy entrenched in Washington insider politics, or young black guy who brings a message of hope and change.

Thanks again for the 100% dem controlled federal government. You must be so proud.

csdeven on February 9, 2008 at 12:28 AM

I don’t know how many times I have to say this, but I DIDN”T VOTE FOR MC CAIN in the primary. Jesus H Christ, all I’ve said is that McCain is so much less dangerous for the country than Hillary or cult-of-personality Obamassiah that we will have my vote and my support in the general election.

And Ted Sampley is a lying sack of shit, basically a right-wing version of Ward Churchill. If you choose to align yourself with him just because you didn’t want McCain to be the GOP nominee, that says much more about you than me, or McCain for that matter.

funky chicken on February 9, 2008 at 4:49 PM

You don’t have to trust me. Hell, I was born in the 1960s. But people who know this topic, and have spent years as career military officers say that Sampley and his cohort are lying crooks.

Hey, trust Ronald Reagan:
8 July 2007. More about Hendon’s MIA claims. Check out this item — it’s quite relevant in view of Hendon’s new book claiming that hundreds of US POWs were abandoned in SEAsia. Ronald Reagan’s comment on Hendon: “. . . off his rocker.”

29 May 2007. I promised myself I wouldn’t do this — but here goes. Former Congressman Billy Hendon and his long-time girl-friend Beth Stewart have produced a book titled something like An Enormous Lie — the book is supposed to be a collection of US government documents proving that American POWs were abandoned in Southeast Asia and that there has been and still is a wide-spread conspiracy within the US government to cover up this fact. Hendon’s claims are nonsense. I have no intention of reading his book — because I have heard it all before. If anyone cares, this is what I recommend: If you must, read Hendon’s book. Then, come back to the MIA Facts Site and compare Hendon’s claims to the articles on this site. I’m betting that every single incident that Hendon uses to support his claim is covered by an article here.

Here’s the link again:
http://www.miafacts.org/index.htm

The website is full of exhaustive research done over many years by Joe Schlatter, Colonel, U. S. Army, Retired. He retired on 1 April 1995. His involvement in the MIA issue came during two assignments:

February 1986 – July 1990
Feb 86 – Dec 88: Chief, Analysis Branch, Defense Intelligence Agency Special Office for POW-MIA Affairs
Dec 88 – Jul 90: Chief, Defense Intelligence Agency Special Office for POW-MIA Affairs
July 1993 – March 1995: Deputy Director, Defense POW-MIA Office
Vietnam Veteran
2/13 Field Artillery
February 1969 – February 1970

funky chicken on February 9, 2008 at 4:59 PM

ugh “we” in first post obviously should be “he”

I am not John McCain in drag or whatever LOL and he hasn’t picked funky chicken as his veep.

funky chicken on February 9, 2008 at 5:01 PM

I bring you Mr. Ted Sampley in his own words, 1997:

G

eorge Bush Parachutes Again to Exorcise Demons of Past Betrayal

By Ted Sampley
March/April/May 1997

Former President George Bush, who bailed out of a crippled Navy Avenger bomber 53 years ago, jumped again in March of this year. His World War II jump is historic. It made Bush the only president to ever bail out of an airplane and the only president whose crew mates were sent careening into the ocean because their pilot had abandoned the aircraft.

Accompanied by eight Golden Knights from the Army Precision Parachuting Team and a civilian from the U.S. Parachute Association, Bush’s second jump was less eventful and historic. After leaping from a civilian twin-engine airplane at 12,500 feet with two jump masters holding onto his harness, Bush fell until he deployed his parachute at 4,500 feet.

A half a dozen people–including his wife Barbara–rushed to help cushion his landing. Medical emergency personnel were also standing by on the ground. Bush landed about 40 yards from his target at the Army’s Yuma Proving Ground, the sprawling base where the Golden Knights train eight weeks a year.

When the 72-year-old former chief executive was asked how he felt, he gave a thumbs up. “It was wonderful. I’m a new man–and I go home exhilarated,” he said. “There’s a lot of things about my previous incarnation that I do not miss, but I do miss the military,” Bush later told base employees.

Prior to the jump, Jim McGrath, Bush’s assistant, had said “The reasons behind this [the jump] are strictly personal, . . . It has to do with World War II.”

Those cryptic remarks give rise to speculation that Bush may have been, as The London Times put it, “Trying to exorcise demons from his earlier jump, the circumstances of which flared up into controversy during Bush’s presidential campaign.

In a 1987 account of the World War II incident, which differed from his earlier versions, Bush told about the incident on television. He claimed that during a bombing run against a Japanese radio installation on ChiChi Island, his plane was hit and engulfed in flames and that he ordered his crew to bail out. He said one did, but his parachute failed. Bush claimed the other crewman did not answer the intercom, so he assumed that the crewman was critically wounded or dead.

Bush, who was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for action prior to the crash, said that even though the plane was in flames, he managed to fly it on to the target and drop his bombs before he bailed out. Bush admitted, however, that in his rush to get out of the Avenger, he pulled the parachute rip cord too quickly and was gashed on his forehead when he hit the tail of the plane.

snip

“Shut Up and Sit Down”

For 12 years, the “read my lips” president had promised (eight years as vice president and four as president) that the POW/MIA issue was “the highest national priority” and that there would be no dealings with Vietnam until the POW/MIA issue was properly resolved.

At the 1992 annual convention of The National League of POW/MIA Families, the questions POW/MIA families and veterans had harbored for years about the honesty of Bush’s promises exploded into a nationally reported incident.

Bush, who was the guest speaker at that convention, became the subject of a demonstration when the elderly mother of a MIA stood up and yelled at Bush, “No more lies! Tell us the truth!”

Dozens more of the family members quickly joined in the protest, many holding up pictures of their missing brothers, fathers and sons and chanting, “No more lies!” and “Release all the files!” Bush snapped at the jeering MIA relatives, telling them to “shut up and sit down.”

The protest and uproar continued for over five minutes until the crowd finally let Bush speak again. Bush told them, abandoning his original text, “To suggest that the commander-in-chief that led this country into its most successful recent effort [the Gulf War] would condone for one single day the personal knowledge of a person held against his will . . . is simply, totally unfair.”

Later that year, despite his promise to “never” abandon the POW/MIA issue, Bush bailed out and initiated the beginning process of normalizing trade relations with communist Vietnam.

Another Bush Betrayal

Bush angered the MIA families again in April 1995, when McGrath made public a planned September 1995 trip to Vietnam by Bush. McGrath explained to outraged MIA families that Bush and his wife, Barbara, had been invited to Hanoi by Citibank and that Bush “doesn’t really have a political agenda in going there.”

The MIA families disagreed. They said Citibank was paying Bush hundreds of thousands of dollars to make the trip and that the real agenda was to speed up normalized relations between Vietnam and the United States so that U.S. business interests could more easily take advantage of Vietnam’s slave labor market.

Accompanied by Vietnam veterans and former South Vietnamese political prisoners who had been held in concentration camps for years by the communist Vietnamese, the MIA family members staged a protest outside of a building in Houston in which Bush has an office.

Despite the protest, Bush went to Vietnam and embraced its communist leaders. For money, he shook the blood stained hands of some of the same communist leaders who had murdered U.S. POWs and orchestrated hundreds, if not thousands, of terrorist bomb attacks against the civilian population of South Vietnam during the war.

Bush’s trip to Vietnam was a betrayal and a slap in the face to the veterans who fought against the communists and the activists working to establish human rights and democracy in Vietnam.

As for the suggestion that “the commander-in-chief” that led this country in the Gulf War “would condone for one single day the personal knowledge of a person held against his will,” there were two men who knew Bush very well and could have spoken about his loyalty to the men and women in uniform.

Unfortunately, very few people have ever heard of them and neither Radioman 2nd Class John Delaney or Gunner Lt. Junior Grade William White are able to speak. They are on the bottom of the Pacific off the coast of a tiny island where their pilot, Navy Lt. George Bush, sent them when he made his first parachute jump.

You really want to associate with this bastard?
Google Ted Sampley and George Bush. Investigate this scumbag before you swallow his smears of McCain.

funky chicken on February 9, 2008 at 5:08 PM

I am not John McCain in drag or whatever LOL and he hasn’t picked funky chicken as his veep.

funky chicken on February 9, 2008 at 5:01 PM

If I may?..”Calm down.” :)

a capella on February 9, 2008 at 5:09 PM

heh, I was just making fun of my typo LOL I’m plenty calm.

But the Ted Sampley fuckheads really piss me off. They dupe poor traumatized military families with gut-wrenching stories of guys who were “left behind” and betrayed by our government, and these families give them tons of money.

They are scum.

funky chicken on February 9, 2008 at 5:16 PM

JustTruth101 on February 9, 2008 at 3:48 PM

I believe if you go back and look, I didn’t say he was. He seemed unable to have our discussion on open/closed borders without calling me a smartass, but that by itself doesn’t make him a disrupter. I haven’t noticed him being as obnoxious on every thread as The Chosen One.
I think if you scroll through this thread you’ll see I’m able to argue issues without namecalling and will admit it if I am wrong. My comment about trolls was in response to another poster who felt we could discuss things without getting too worked up. I was agreeing with him, and stated my opinion that the last registration let in some folks with less than honorable intentions. I’m really not interested in carrying this any further. I don’t think differing opinions mean someone is a troll. I think if those opinions are presented as spam or to create an enraged response, it doesn’t help the site. There. I’m done.

a capella on February 9, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Mike Huckabee Speaks to CPAC – 2/9/2008

ITookTheRedPill on February 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM

a capella on February 9, 2008 at 5:38 PM

I noticed after I posted that I somehow got your name in on the quote…I didn’t mean to impune any unreasonableness on your part, sorry ’bout that.

I understand you don’t want to discuss further, I respect that. Just to put it out as something others may want to discuss, there is a problem on the boards here lately with newer registrants repeating the SAME thing over and over and over ad nauseum without reading or replying to the substance of what others have said, and I (as well as others) have noticed the dumbing down of the threads. Opposing viewpoints are welcome, but long dissertations are TLDR and anyone who can’t express himself or herself without strings of vulgarities lacks a grasp of basic vocabulary.

I don’t know what the answer is, but I miss the previous terse, concise, “meaty” back and forth we used to have.

I guess the best way to put it is this: It used to be easy to scan the comments to quickly sift the wheat from the chaff, but now there’s easy 50% chaff.

JustTruth101 on February 9, 2008 at 6:52 PM

ITookTheRedPill on February 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM

It isn’t my site, but I suspect those who run it might not look at posting the same link on different threads as good form.

a capella on February 9, 2008 at 6:52 PM

ITookTheRedPill on February 9, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Huck is not an option for me. I live in Arkansas, and have seen 1st hand how the man governs. Signing a bunch of pledges does not make you a good candidate. Its his record you should be focused on. BY the way you missed the whole point of my post ,A vote for Huck would leave me in the same place I am now. Just with a different set of questions

modin5540 on February 9, 2008 at 7:31 PM

modin5540 on February 9, 2008 at 3:59 PM

FWIW here’s how I answered the McCain question for myself and why.

That’s my rational evaluation and a factor to consider in addition to WOT and judges.

I’m gonna have to remove my T.V. from the house ’till Nov. though if I have any hopes of following through on my own intentions.

His face and his voice still tick me off that much.

Deety on February 9, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Deety on February 9, 2008 at 7:48 PM

God help us all if you’re wrong. I still think he’s too volatile. It’s always been my concern.

jerrytbg on February 9, 2008 at 8:23 PM

I don’t see maverick muse, myamphibian, Chakra, Chosen One etc. screaming troll at everyone who disagrees with them, or smearing candidates with callous and contemptible smears like csd. Neither have I seen any indication that they would vociferously undermine whoever was the democratically elected GOP nominee. In a democracy politics involves a degree of compromise by its very nature; the GOP is not the communist party for goodness sake.

Pax americana on February 9, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Neither have I seen any indication that they would vociferously undermine whoever was the democratically elected GOP nominee

“vociferously undermine?”

That means, with words?

Words are allowed. Even words that undermine a democratically elected nominee

There are no nominees at present

There are candidates who hold democratically elected delegates who will nominate a nominee at a convention

Candidates are self declared, not elected, although most states require petition signatures to get on the ballot. Candidates can get on a ballot without any signatures if they are written in

Unless McCain Feingold repression of political speech (despised by Conservatives) extends to private citizens, it is expected that any citizen may vociferously talk about any candidate, nominee or electee.

Whether those words undermine a candidate depends upon whether the supporters of that candidate can refute the words, or whether the words are convincing

Facts serve as better refutations than opinions. An argument based upon opinions may be vociferously disputed.

For instance, the opinion that McCain can be trusted can certainly be refuted with facts.

Since the GOP is not the communist party, for goodness or any other sake, it should not attempt to stop the vociferous undermining of its presumptive nominee with anything but facts

Since the GOP presents itself as a conservative party, it will welcome the vociferous undermining of even presumptive nominees as an opportunity to present facts in refutation

Facts, to a conservative, are irrefutable, unlike opinions, which depend upon the polls, the latest talking point list and other poor attempts to bring down the Hot Air site from the formidable fortress of influence it has become, despite the recent gnat infestation

entagor on February 10, 2008 at 5:04 AM

Hollowpoint on February 9, 2008 at 12:28 PM

You haven’t learned have you?

McLiar has the same issues Fred had. His personal behavior and the people he align himself with tell much more about him than the blathering rhetoric he spews. And his mothers gibotry, his wifes thievery, and McShamnesty’s history with the Keating 5 etc, will be front and center during the campaign against Obillary. It’s people like you who have given us McShamnesty, and by extension, a 100% dem controlled federal government.

You must be so proud.

csdeven on February 10, 2008 at 8:43 AM

HP, thanks for the answer. I agree about personal attacks, though the point is valid about what MSM will now do to him.
Spirit of 1776 on February 9, 2008 at 12:48 PM

You see HP, this is the difference between you and a rational commenter. I have explained the context of my remarks, but you refuse to accept it. This is typical of your demagoguing shrill rhetoric. See, I am explaining to you the demagoguery that the MSM will use against McLiarLiarPantsOnFire in the general. And what is your response? Well, you ignore the reality and attack me with more of your liberal demagoguery blustering.

Get over it HP, FredaLicious lost and you trying to drag others into your denial shows just how out of touch you are.

csdeven on February 10, 2008 at 8:57 AM

bigred on February 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM

You are completely missing the point. You need to ignore people like Hollowpoint who are gonna take their ball and go home by refusing to vote. He is meaningless and his opinion is not worth the vote he casts.

The issue is changing the thinking of the moderate/liberal GOP whores whose vote for McLiar is not based on conservatism. You can see these types commenting here at HA. They continue to attack true conservatives like myself because we are sticking to our conservative principles. Most of us will, like we have been saying for over a year, that we will vote for the GOP nominee. But we are NOT moving toward his liberal views! He has to come to us. Towards conservatism if he wants our support.

This BS rhetoric directed at conservatives that we need to come together is idiocy incarnate.

csdeven on February 10, 2008 at 9:10 AM

funky chicken on February 9, 2008 at 4:49 PM

You are clueless. McLiar will be attacked with the points I laid out. I didn’t say I would do it, but that the MSM would do it.

And your problem is not your support of McLiar, but rather your insistence that we true conservatives need to move toward him. The GOP is the conservative party. OUR party. And we don’t have to move toward a liberal candidate regardless of what initial he puts after his name.

csdeven on February 10, 2008 at 9:15 AM

Allah, your “Fred endorsement” link is to a blog entry entitled “Mac Says Thompson Hearts Him” that says:

“I also spoke again yesterday to my friend Fred Thompson who assured me he is ready to do whatever it takes to help me win the election in November,” McCain said. “I’m very proud to have the friendship and support of Fred Thompson as well.”

In the interests of objectivity, I don’t think we should take this as Fred endorsing McCain in the primary. It is Fred endorsing the Republican nominee in November. Until we hear a primary endorsement of McCain come out Fred’s mouth instead of McCain’s mouth, this is not official. It’s McCain saying “trust me”. I don’t trust him. In the interest of objectivity, you shouldn’t either. Please change the headline to include an “UPDATE: Or does he?”

Where is the official endorsement from Fred?

ITookTheRedPill on February 10, 2008 at 9:42 AM

RedPill, did you miss this quote?

…“This is no longer about past preferences or differences. It is about what is best for our country and for me that means that Republican should close ranks behind John McCain,” Thompson said in a statement reported by the Associated Press….

Looks like an endorsement to me. Try reading between the lines. I’m pretty sure it also says in there that Huckabee is a liberal douchebag.

bigred on February 10, 2008 at 9:54 AM

why? WHY?

BadBrad on February 10, 2008 at 10:04 AM

You see HP, this is the difference between you and a rational commenter. I have explained the context of my remarks, but you refuse to accept it. This is typical of your demagoguing shrill rhetoric.
csdeven on February 10, 2008 at 8:57 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, we have ourselves a new winner in the “projection” competition.

Hollowpoint on February 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM

It’s already starting isn’t it?

We told you that McShamnesty would be vetted eventually. The problem is when all the trash about McLiar is out in the open, it’ll be too late for you to whine for the guy who didn’t have the baggage car full of dirt that McLiar has.

Thanks to you and those like you, even we, the real conservatives, aren’t going to be able to cover for your piss poor judgment by getting completely behind McVanity.

The regular Joe voter will find out about McDirtbags shameful behavior as a POW. His mom is a gibot. His wife is a drug thief. He is a flip flopping liar and is way too old and has too many health issues to be an effect president.

Regular Joe voter will have two choices……

Old white guy entrenched in Washington insider politics, or young black guy who brings a message of hope and change.

Thanks again for the 100% dem controlled federal government. You must be so proud.

csdeven on February 9, 2008 at 12:28 AM

I don’t know how many times I have to say this, but I DIDN”T VOTE FOR MC CAIN in the primary. Jesus H Christ, all I’ve said is that McCain is so much less dangerous for the country than Hillary or cult-of-personality Obamassiah that we will have my vote and my support in the general election.

And Ted Sampley is a lying sack of shit, basically a right-wing version of Ward Churchill. If you choose to align yourself with him just because you didn’t want McCain to be the GOP nominee, that says much more about you than me, or McCain for that matter.

funky chicken on February 9, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Publishing Sampley’s trash isn’t “vetting” it’s defaming, just like Ward Churchill defamed the military with his “smallpox blankets” smear, and defamed the victims of 9/11 with his “little Eichmans” comments.

And nowhere in your comment did you say that you don’t believe the trash, and you are quite willing to gleefully spout it off, so what do you expect me to think?

funky chicken on February 10, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Hollowpoint LOL er, yeah.

funky chicken on February 10, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Were you not a Mitt supporter? Contemplate WWMD as you gather your thoughts this weekend. Align where Mitt and McCain agreed and continue to support that. Align where McCain outshines either Democrat and support that conservative agenda. Align where you and other readers agree and support an alliance. No conservative need resign in defeat to the Democrats. Every conservative voice is needed in order to capitulate liberalism from the GOP POTUS Platform and recapitulate conservatism prior to the vote.

Most of us never got to vote before our men succumbed to the GOP system. That issue remains to be dealt with another day. At present, McCain needs us more than we want him. Our vote still matters. Winners never quit. Quitters never win.

maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 12:55 PM

Great, great, GREAT post.

Perfect.

Those who don’t understand your post are feeling rather than thinking.

Outstanding post.

Professor Blather on February 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, we have ourselves a new winner in the “projection” competition.
Hollowpoint on February 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM

You know better than that. You are being purposefully obtuse.

Let us know when you are ready to accept the facts about the soon to be waged campaign about McLiar. Until then, you’re just the same old single issue voter you ever were. And since you have decided to stay home, then your complaints have as much validity as you vote. Nothing.

csdeven on February 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM

At present, McCain needs us more than we want him. Our vote still matters. Winners never quit. Quitters never win.

maverick muse on February 9, 2008 at 12:55 PM

This is true, but what do you propose we do about it? Should we say nothing about his liberal policies? Are you suggesting we who actually are conservatives should just support him on the war and give him a pass on Shamnesty, CFR, Gang of 14, etc?

csdeven on February 10, 2008 at 1:53 PM

As you enter the voting booth on Election Day, you may not have it in your heart because of your political disagreements to vote for Senator McCain. Maybe you might want to consider accepting the task as I have. In the interest of Service Men and Women, Veterans and the security of our country – even Berkeley – I must and will pull the lever against Obama or Clinton.

old trooper on February 10, 2008 at 2:12 PM

In the interest of Service Men and Women, Veterans and the security of our country – even Berkeley – I must and will pull the lever against Obama or Clinton.

old trooper on February 10, 2008 at 2:12 PM

That is an honorable position. There are also others.
I’ve always disliked being extorted, especially when the moral equivilance question is raised.

a capella on February 10, 2008 at 2:48 PM

Facts, to a conservative, are irrefutable, unlike opinions, which depend upon the polls, the latest talking point list and other poor attempts to bring down the Hot Air site from the formidable fortress of influence it has become, despite the recent gnat infestation

entagor on February 10, 2008 at 5:04 AM

+1

a capella on February 10, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Fred has endorsed McCain, but barely. That’s not a betrayal: it’s expected of anyone running for the Republican nomination to be willing to support the eventual nominee. Back when Fred was in the race, the rumor kept floating around that he would drop out and endorse McCain. Events have proven that was a lie. Only when it appeared the nominee was chosen did Fred give a minimal endorsement. To put it another way, only when it became clear there would be no more conservative candidate available did Fred do his endorsement.

I’ll say this, though. After watching strong candidates fail, and seeing only two people left in the race, neither of which should have stood much of a chance, I’m not so sure that McCain has this thing wrapped up. Huckabee may take it yet. God may decide to humiliate all of us know-it-alls and give it to the last person we expected.

I’m okay with that in theory, but … surely not Huckabee!

theregoestheneighborhood on February 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM

As an eventual Fredhead (the conservative choices got slimmer and slimmer) it doesn’t upset me that Fred endorsed McCain as the apparent nominee. I would have preferred that he wait until the Huckabee situation was settled but honestly I don’t think that matters at this point.

As for those who are so concerned about what Conservatives are going to do with our votes in November just remember that many of us have held our noses and voted the party line for a veritable conga line of ever increasingly “progressive”, big government, huge deficit,
candidates who call themselves conservatives since Reagan left office. I count myself among the number who have come to believe that the liberal scourge of the GOP will be here forever as long as we continue to be coerced into voting for them. It is far past time for conservatives to reassert themselves within the GOP and the only way we seem to be able to do so is by withholding our votes when you nominate fake conservatives. McCain will not win without our conservative votes and hopefully everyone in the GOP will remember that the next time they try to pass a Democrat off as a Republican Conservative. We’ve been telling you guys this all along, it’s not our fault you didn’t listen or chose not to believe us. You’re electing Hillary the day you nominate McCain.

Buzzy on February 11, 2008 at 4:51 AM

http://www.pajamasmedia.com

There can be no doubt but that Koh would be a liberal activist of a stripe we haven’t seen since Brennan and Marshall. There can be no doubt that he’ll be at or near the top of the list in an Obama or Clinton presidency.
With the CPAC promise on the record, anybody who thinks John McCain would nominate Koh or anybody remotely near him on the ideological spectrum is suffering from such an extreme case of McCain derangement syndrome that they’re beyond the help of even modern pharmapsychology.
Stephen Bainbridge is the William D Warren Professor at the UCLA School of Law and blogs at http://www.ProfessorBainbridge.com

funky chicken on February 11, 2008 at 9:43 AM

I’m sorry to be the one to have to break the news. Well, no, that’s not true. Heh.

Arrogant much?

McCain will get my vote when he prys it from my cold, dead hands.

Spanglemaker on February 11, 2008 at 9:49 AM

I’m sorry but it does bother me that Thompson endorsed McCain. As long as the establishment is anti-conservative, as long as the establishment is moderate to liberal, as long as they continue to ignore the conservatives and the party platform, they will not change in principals. What conservative agenda are they promoting other than through basic lip-service? If I continue to vote for the same list given to me by the establishment I will continue to get the same results. I must stop the madness and refuse to support that which in pricipal I cannot support simply because they won the party’s nomination. ((Actually, McCain still doesn’t have the delegates for a win, but as the establishment tells me, that’s beside the point.)) I want true conservativism in my candidate. So do my brothers and sisters in this party. This is why we are here, no more, no less.

The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over expecting different results. Keep elected the same tired group of do-nothing, left-wing capitulating Republicans, you’ll get what you’ve always gotten.

Sultry Beauty on February 11, 2008 at 4:39 PM

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