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Video: Tom Coburn makes the best case for Maverick you’ll ever hear

posted at 5:13 pm on February 7, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Dare I say it? Newly-minted Hillary supporter Tammy Bruce is saying it. Why can’t I say it too?

I’m saying it.

SECOND LOOK AT McCAIN!


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I love Coburn, but he is vital to keep in the Senate. I guess J F’n Kerry didn’t give up his Senate seat, and he was running for President.

But saying something’s OK just because J F’n Kerry did it? ooooooo

funky chicken on February 7, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Good speech by Coburn. I happened to watch it live on FOX, and it definitely engaged me.

asc85 on February 7, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Strong words. I’ll take a second look, but I can’t promise a whole lot more ;)

OneGyT on February 7, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Yeah for real, that was good. I was impressed by Coburn.

Dash on February 7, 2008 at 5:17 PM

I’m saying it.

Traitor.

Free Constitution on February 7, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Got to love a guy who quotes Rommel!

TheBigOldDog on February 7, 2008 at 5:19 PM

Tom Coburn is my favorite senator, hands down.

Complete7 on February 7, 2008 at 5:19 PM

J.C. Watts for VP!

Texas Rainmaker on February 7, 2008 at 5:20 PM

I have given John McCain a long hard second look. I will vote for John McCain.

d1carter on February 7, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Good speech by Coburn, but if he’s going to run as Mac’s Veep, we’re going to be wishing he had Mitt’s hair.

Buy Danish on February 7, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Hippie Flashbacks. Heh.

Second Look!

Jaibones on February 7, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Buy Danish on February 7, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Mitt’s a company guy; maybe he’ll loan it to Tom?

Jaibones on February 7, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Michael Steele for VP!

Tim on February 7, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Was that Michele who yelled out, “yes” when Coburn rhetorically asked if we’ll disagree with McVain?

TheBigOldDog on February 7, 2008 at 5:27 PM

For me, his VP pick won’t help terribly. If McCain is pro-amnesty, and his VP is anti-amnesty, guess whose policy position will prevail?

amerpundit on February 7, 2008 at 5:29 PM

AP, I’ve stated it as a question before, but now it seems more appropriate as a conclusion. Your commenting on other candidates (per low rankings in polls) and your lack of commitment to a single candidate early on in the primaries seems to say “fair-weather” republican. The fact that you are taking a second look at a nominee that now the ball is pretty much if not all in his court hints at it also.

Unless you are being snarky, which would be the quick out, I’m not sure of your sincerity in any matter pertaining to politics.
I say this in confusion and desire of clarity (may I add as well, honesty?)

/with genuine sincerity and curiosity.

geckomon on February 7, 2008 at 5:30 PM

The threat to our culture comes from within. The 1960’s welfare programs created a culture of poverty. Some think we won that battle when we reformed welfare, but the liberals haven’t given up. At every turn, they try to substitute government largesse for individual responsibility. They fight to strip work requirements from welfare, to put more people on Medicaid, and to remove more and more people from having to pay any income tax whatsoever. Dependency is death to initiative, risk-taking and opportunity. Dependency is a culture-killing drug—we have got to fight it like the poison it is!

Mitt Romney at CPAC

I have expressed these sentiments earlier and elsewhere but here goes….

I’ve had to do some soul searching since the Floriduhh primary as to what I should do in the event that my Senator is nominated by the Republican party to be the candidate to oppose the Democrats for POTUS. I have some long-standing and fundamental disagreements with the man and am tempted to send a message that he can go shove it, but I’ve narrowed it down to one issue that requires me to vote for him against the Democrats. Oddly enough, it is not foreign policy, which will be a disaster, even though I believe a Democratic president’s options will be far more constrained than their candidates’ current rhetoric would suggest.

I wasn’t around to say no thanks when FDR and LBJ offered to help the people out and in the process made radical changes to the relationship between the citizens of this country and their government. I’m here now though and I see a storm brewing which frankly scares me silly.

The way I see it, the present situation is this:

Whether right or wrong (wrong IMHO) the nanny class has managed to make a fetish of Universal Health Care as a way of dealing with the high costs of medical treatment. The peepul are crying out for health-care reform and baby wants that bottle NOW!

If an Obillary becomes president, he/she/it along with a friendly congress will be highly motivated to make CHANGE like you wouldn’t believe and as fast as possible.

The plans being proposed by Obama and Clinton are virtually indistinguishable and will push the public/private ratio of health care funding past its tipping-point*. This will kill private healthcare as an option for most people and will prove to be a one way ticket to Socialized Medicine a la the U.K. To try that one out for size just re-read some of the headlines and Red Meat posts right here in HA archives.

McCain’s proposal is attractive, workable, and free-market based (weirdly enough, given his proclivities) and may be the only way to counter the peepul voting themselves a massive and irreversible expansion of the nanny state.

Amnesty for a wave of un-assimilated immigrants is a legitimate concern but so is the culture changing drug of government dependency being pushed on our current citizens by the Democrats.

*I reccomend the Review of Presidential Candidate’s Proposals for Health Reform published by PricewaterhouseCooper’s Health Research Institute in Nov. 2007 (I would link to it but it is a PDF that you need to register for and download.)

Deety on February 7, 2008 at 5:30 PM

Between this speech & McCain’s, my olive branch hath extended. Let’s hear more of the same!

NJGOPOrphan on February 7, 2008 at 5:30 PM

Michael Steele for VP!

Tim on February 7, 2008 at 5:25 PM

He praised McCain’s speech today beyond reason so I’m thinking he’s thinking he’d like that spot.

Buy Danish on February 7, 2008 at 5:31 PM

I was amongst those saying I’d rather stay home than vote for McCain, but I’ve reached some of the same conclusions that my state senator talks about. I’m frustrated with McCain on -Feingold, -Lieberman, and -Kennedy…. but when it comes down to it, the important issues to me — taxes, security, and Iraq — McCain is in my corner. I have a feeling I’ll warm up to him a whole lot when seeing him next to either Hilary or Obama, over the next few months, debating issues.

BTW, Watts and Coburn are both intriguing candidates as VP. They’re both fellow Oklahoma boys and they’re both true conservatives through and through.

henzou on February 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

McCain needs to do a LOT of triangulating in his VP choice.

He needs to shore up a region of the country that is “in play” and gettable .. he needs to shore up his own deficiencies in economics policy and understanding…

and most of all he needs to see exactly who the Democrat nominee is between Hills and the AnointedOne.

His choice may well depend on who he is facing and on what is needed to neutralize that factor.

So lets not get into rushing into this decision. Coburn is a great Senator, lets keep him there and figure out the VP calculus as time goes on.

Just one more thought: every day that Huckaschmuck stays in the race against McCain reduces hugely any slim chance Huck ever had for VP. Thank god.

Always Right on February 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

I’m saying it.

Well, don’t say it yet.

see-dubya on February 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

HOW Coburn said it, was great. WHAT he said ,was the typical, “Look, conservative principles are great and all, but when they smack into the reality of D.C. they have to be toned down.” Then Coburn went in a very strange direction. He addressed the concern about McCain not being for a strong conservative agenda in D.C. by saying that the entire GOP hasn’t had a strong conservative agenda since 1995. He then used that to transition into pork, which is a place that McCain has done well. Now, for my money, that is NOT a very good justification for McCain’s lack of a conservative agenda or “push” in Washington; to say that the culture within the GOP wasn’t conservative either. The, “he couldn’t do it because no one was doing it” argument is not very appealing. It almost came across as though he was blaming the system. And that is not a leadership quality. But what do I know…I’m deranged.

Weight of Glory on February 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

I love Coburn, but I wish he would have had a stiff drink before speaking, he would have been more relaxed and coherent. RELAX and SLOW DOWN dude

cat-scratch on February 7, 2008 at 5:35 PM

see-dubya on February 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

I think that’s a good idea.

Weight of Glory on February 7, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Tom who?

Yawn!

TOPV on February 7, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Oh dammit. I had all kinds of hate brewing for McCain. Grrrrr! Back to the drawing board. I still want Mitt in 2012. Maybe McCain takes Mitt as VP. Fingers are crossed.

Levinite on February 7, 2008 at 5:37 PM

how can you claim to be a small government conservative who’s against entitlements and earmarks when your very own illegal alien amnesty/guest (slave) worker program would have been the biggest entitlement program/earmark in the history of the United States?

-Tammy Bruce

That’s a silly statement. Amnesty for illegal immigrants would actually help to alleviate some of the pressures on our entitlement system, not make it worse. There are two problems with entitlements in this country: first, that they are always growing as politicians promise more and more to get elected, and second, that the proportion of the workforce paying taxes to pay for said entitlements is decreasing as the population ages. Legalization of the illegal workforce, via amnesty or a guest worker program, would actually help with the second issue, since the tax base would be expanded significantly as more labor is done on the books. McCain has been very good, as Coburn noted, on trying to limit the growth of entitlements and government spending. Attacking him on immigration as an “entitlement program” betrays a profound ignorance of the issue on Bruce’s part.

Big S on February 7, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Big S on February 7, 2008 at 5:37 PM

This is almost comical. Professed “conservatives” can be bought by ear tickling speeches (at least that’s what these stooges in Congress think who held no other jobs but taking our tax dollars). They are all saying “suckers”, (Coburn too).

And they talk about the folks who listen to Obama.

If that isn’t the pot calling the kettle :-)

Obama 08′

TOPV on February 7, 2008 at 5:38 PM

I am expect only one thing from McCain. When he gets his ass handed to him this November, I expect he will to reach across the aisle and work with the newly elected Democrat president.

That you can count on him for.

Valiant on February 7, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Damn impressive.

Halley on February 7, 2008 at 5:40 PM

I am expect only one thing from McCain. When he gets his ass handed to him this November, I expect he will to reach across the aisle and work with the newly elected Democrat president.

That you can count on him for.

I am too infuriated to type.

Valiant on February 7, 2008 at 5:41 PM

TOPV comment?

Yawn.

DrSteve on February 7, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Is it too late to elect a Coburn/Steele slate?

shirgall on February 7, 2008 at 5:44 PM

What the heck is the matter with FNC? Their feed of Mitt’s speech is all muffled.

McCain needs to do a LOT of triangulating in his VP choice.

Always Right on February 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Dick Morris is waiting for his phone call.

see-dubya on February 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Coy works for me.

Buy Danish on February 7, 2008 at 5:44 PM

TOPV, take your Obama luv over to DU where it belongs. Coburn is a hero in the Senate, just like Jeff Sessions. Your response shows a total lack of respect.

Not that I’m surprised.

funky chicken on February 7, 2008 at 5:49 PM

FIRST LOOK AT COBURN!

Good Lt on February 7, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Hmm. No mention of Juan Hernandez. Hmm what cabinet possition will he get? Pretty words. Pretty, Pretty words.

ronsfi on February 7, 2008 at 5:50 PM

EWwwwwww Dick Morris. Actually, I think Morris has the Obama luv problem too.

Blech I don’t like that guy.

funky chicken on February 7, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Funny, I heard a whole bunch of people make the same arguments, framed the same way in the run up to Bush vs Kerry and before that Bush vs Gore. Now here we are all over again. Too bad Kerry didn’t get elected. The left would be completely divided over the fact that we’d still be in Iraq. The economy is struggling and “change” would be in favor of the Republicans. Right now we’d be electing an actual Republican instead of a liberal with an R in front of his name. If only a whole bunch of Republicans decided to sit out the last election we’d be in a far better situation right now. Instead we have nothing to look forward to other then President Hillary Clinton. Live and learn though… But probably not.

Zetterson on February 7, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Capitalism has once again prevailed. There was a need, and now there’s a product to fill that need. Get your vPlugs and vote!

NTWR on February 7, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Sorry, but I need a huge stinking pile of show me the money!

ronsfi on February 7, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Well, don’t say it yet.

see-dubya on February 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

May I quote you further?

if we all fall into line, even grudgingly, well, we’re taken for granted and ¡Juanito! can go all out smooching the mushy left and wrapping up the “Los Tigres del Norte” endorsement.

I’m not falling into line. I’m sitting right in my corner and john mccain’s not in here. He can dangle his promises; I just don’t believe him.

Once twice 548,738 times bitten, 10 times shy.

RushBaby on February 7, 2008 at 5:53 PM

I don’t believe anything these frauds say anymore. We, not long ago had control of the House, the Senate and the Presidency. What did we do with that? We squandered it by acting like Democrats. The next time I vote I am going to be damn sure I am actually voting for a Republican and not a RINO. John McCain is most definitely a RINO.

Zetterson on February 7, 2008 at 5:53 PM

He made a good case but then McCain walked on stage and I was snapped back to reality as soon as I saw his face.

Buddahpundit on February 7, 2008 at 5:54 PM

I’d be more “impressed” if McCain would just show up once in awhile and back his own party.

This certainly doesn’t bode well for a man who claims that he can stand up to Congress. He seriously needs to do a priority check.

McCain still has a lot of fence-mending to do……pun intended ; )

The Ugly American on February 7, 2008 at 5:54 PM

I gotta admit it, he is against the ridiculous spending that has taken place over the past 8 years.

kcluva on February 7, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Time Magazine saying that independents will flock to Obama because of McCain (who is strongest with independents) is hysterical. If anything, independents will feel free to vote for Hillary, who is much more moderate than Barry Hussein O.

It’s funny how the supposed smarties in the media just don’t seem to understand too many of us out in flyover country.

“Independent” does not equal Code Pink loving, islamist coddling weaklings, Time, as much as you would hope it might.

funky chicken on February 7, 2008 at 5:54 PM

He made a good case but then McCain walked on stage and I was snapped back to reality as soon as I saw his face.

Buddahpundit on February 7, 2008 at 5:54 PM

LMAO!!!!!…….my thoughts, exactly.

The Ugly American on February 7, 2008 at 5:55 PM

I gotta admit it, he is against the ridiculous spending that has taken place over the past 8 years.

kcluva on February 7, 2008 at 5:54 PM

So was Bush, before he got elected.

Zetterson on February 7, 2008 at 5:57 PM

RushBaby on February 7, 2008 at 5:53 PM

Rushbaby, you do what you gotta do. All I’m recommending is that you and everybody else take a wait-and-see attitude in public, even if privately your mind’s made up either to vote for him or against him.

see-dubya on February 7, 2008 at 5:58 PM

http://www.juanhernandez.org/

ronsfi on February 7, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Yuck, the Obamanation that causes desolation. Funny that it’s even creeping out dems:

And Obama Wept

February 07, 2008 9:43 AM

Inspiration is nice. But some folks seem to be getting out of hand.

It’s as if Tom Daschle descended from on high saying, “Be not afraid; for behold I bring you good tidings of great joy which shall be to all the people: for there is born to you this day in the city of Chicago a Savior, who is Barack the Democrat.”

Obama supporter Kathleen Geier writes that she’s “getting increasingly weirded out by some of Obama’s supporters. On listservs I’m on, some people who should know better – hard-bitten, not-so-young cynics, even – are gushing about Barack…

Describing various encounters with Obama supporters, she writes, “Excuse me, but this sounds more like a cult than a political campaign. The language used here is the language of evangelical Christianity – the Obama volunteers speak of ‘coming to Obama’ in the same way born-again Christians talk about ‘coming to Jesus.’…So I say, we should all get a grip, stop all this unseemly mooning over Barack, see him and the political landscape he is a part of in a cooler, clearer, and more realistic light, and get to work.”

Joe Klein, writing at Time, notes “something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism” he sees in Obama’s Super Tuesday speech.

funky chicken on February 7, 2008 at 5:58 PM

AP
What is this - the Stockholm Syndrome?

We’ve been watching this guy for years - why do we need a “second look”?

I guess VP- possibility Coburn (who is a solid conservative and an MD, as well as being a true Okie from Muskogee) may have looked at the actuarial table and figured:
“Hell, with his health history, high blood pressure and increasing senecence, McCain won’t even make it to 2012!”

Now that would make a good (albeit long) bumpersticker to get out the conservative vote!

TexasJew on February 7, 2008 at 6:00 PM

If you people think Bush is arrogant…..just wait till McCain takes office.

All of this humbling “my friends” talk will most certainly give way to “g*ddamn fence” contempt.

His well-known stubborn, hot-headedness really concerns me.

The Ugly American on February 7, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Zetterson, FALSE GW ran as the “compassionate conservative” who felt that “when people are hurting, government needs to take action”

I didn’t vote for him in 2000 based on that, his stated belief that Mexico and Vicente Fox were our best friends, and, well, based on the fact that the MSM hid Al Gore’s obvious mental illness so well. Had I known that Gore was bug-fuck NUTS I’d have voted for Bush in every state I could motor-voter into (OK, that’s a joke). But I sure as hell would have voted for him. That’s why I’m trying to keep people from throwing away their votes this time because they don’t love McCain.

Hell, very few of us love McCain. Few of us feel much affection for him at all, but he’s light years ahead of HilObama. For real.

funky chicken on February 7, 2008 at 6:03 PM

I can’t believe people here, on this very site, are swayed one bit by a few words on a stage. This after having been lied to by these people over and over again for years.

McCain is going to get killed and I can’t wait to contribute to his loss.

Zetterson on February 7, 2008 at 6:04 PM

Zetterson, then you are a fool.

funky chicken on February 7, 2008 at 6:06 PM

do what you gotta do. All I’m recommending is that you and everybody else take a wait-and-see attitude in public, even if privately your mind’s made up either to vote for him or against him.

see-dubya on February 7, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Smart and strategic advice.

RushBaby on February 7, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Well, don’t say it yet.

see-dubya on February 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Whole-heartedly agree. If the small numbers of nutroots can hijack the Democratic Party, a large conservative base can instill fear in the McMaverick.

Free Constitution on February 7, 2008 at 6:07 PM

why the crap did we not draft THIS guy? Coburn has fire!

spacekicker on February 7, 2008 at 6:07 PM

It’s way too early to be backtracking and supporting McCain after years of principled opposition to him.

Why give him a free pass now?

Free Constitution on February 7, 2008 at 6:09 PM

I’m saying it.

Don’t tell me, show me.

liquidflorian on February 7, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Coburn is fifty-seven varieties of awesome sauce and Oklahoma’s gift to the nation. Romney-Coburn 2012, anyone? Or if Coburn’s veep this time, then Coburn-Romney?

see-dubya on February 7, 2008 at 6:12 PM

I can’t believe people here, on this very site, are swayed one bit by a few words on a stage. This after having been lied to by these people over and over again for years.

Zetterson on February 7, 2008 at 6:04 PM

I am sensing this as well. Maybe not as objectively, though (I am definitely not a McCain fan).

geckomon on February 7, 2008 at 6:15 PM

funky chicken on February 7, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Really? I don’t have to look far to get quotes from George Bush telling me that he’s a fiscal conservative. As far as I knew “fiscal conservative” meant reduction in government spending on entitlements and pork, unless that too is a conservative priciple that has somehow changed over the last couple of years. You know, we need to have that big tent and all.

This is George Bush lying to you and me in the debate he had against John Kerry:

Non-homeland, non-defense discretionary spending was raising at 15 percent a year when I got into office. And today it’s less than 1 percent, because we’re working together to try to bring this deficit under control.

In reality, we know now that non-defense discretionary spending was increased while Bush was in office. But who cares about the facts right. Lets just pull a John McCain and tell the conservatives what they want to hear because the’ll believe it and abandon their principles.

He then went on and said this in response to Kerry’s critisism that Bush’s Republican Congress was spending too much and Bush wasn’t using his veto pen:

“And here he says he’s going to be a fiscal conservative, all of a sudden. It’s just not credible. You cannot believe it.”

So there George Bush is saying he’s the better candidate because John Kerry isn’t telling the truth when he claims that he is going to be more fiscally conservative then Bush. That might have actually been true. I don’t think John Kerry would be a fiscal conservative by any stretch of the imagination but for Bush to argue that point is the equivalent of saying “I’m more fiscally conservative.”

Now John McCain is trying to tell me “He’s more fiscally conservative.” Why should I believe him? Afterall, he has done nothing but lie to me about everything all day long. All year long. All decade long. Figure it out, the man is just full of shit. RINO’s in general are just full of shit. They will tell us what we want to hear now but when their time comes they will act like Democrats.

Time to put an end to this pattern.

Zetterson on February 7, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Nice try, Tom.

It’s the First Amendment, stupid!!!

Maybe after McCain gets killed in November he will realize his little exercise in free-speech-killing was a mistake. I would love to raise some money and say so, but thanks to him I can’t!!!

rockmom on February 7, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Big S on February 7, 2008 at 5:37 PM

You’re kidding, right? You can’t seriously believe that millions of unskilled, undereducated, non-English speaking immigrants (and all the family members they’ll be entitled to bring along) are going to be paying more in taxes than they will cost U.S. taxpayers in all the new benefits to which they’ll be entitled under McCain’s amnesty plan? If so, you might want to take a look at The Heritage Foundation’s analysis of the numbers. Tammy Bruce was right.

AZCoyote on February 7, 2008 at 6:45 PM

We know John Mccain has taken some positions we dont like but we need to look at the big picture

MEH. There is a chance he wont be a terrible president but why should I be excited about it.

Resolute on February 7, 2008 at 6:46 PM

I’m still with Mitt!. He has opened our eyes to the conservative movement again.

madmonkphotog on February 7, 2008 at 6:54 PM

2ND LOOK AT RON PAUL!

SouthernGent on February 7, 2008 at 6:57 PM

This guy has passion.

But I will never vote for Juanita, NEVER!

TheSitRep on February 7, 2008 at 6:57 PM

I keep getting the feeling that somewhere someone’s holding Tom’s dog hostage. Usually he’s much smarter than this.

We just went thru this a few months back and remember when everyone was going “well you knew Bush wanted to sell the country to Mexico when you elected him”. Duh!!!! “Well, you knew Bush wasn’t conservative when you elected him twice?

What is it when you make the same mistake over and over and expect a different outcome every damned time folks? It’s the definition of stupidity folks! If we don’t stop it we can’t laugh when we see the DEMs doing it too!

Leopards can’t change their spots. It’s not that they wouldn’t, they can’t. They are always gonna be leopards, it’s in their nature. They lie, you let them in, and then they eat you every time.

Very simply, McCain didn’t trash the 1st Amendment with McCain Feingold for any other reason than the simple fact he doesn’t like it. He really really really wants untold numbers of illegal aliens across the borders or he wouldn’t have worked his butt off to give them amnesty. He honestly agrees with Ted Kennedy etal. much more than he agrees with us lately or he wouldn’t have voted with the DEMs on so many things so many times lately.

Tom Coburn, you just sold out conservatives everywhere today.

Buzzy on February 7, 2008 at 6:59 PM

We know John Mccain has taken some positions we dont like but we need to look at the big picture

Ok, John McCain ran Campaign Finance reform through Congress. Then in 2005 he sued the FEC to force them to apply it to the internet. Now he wants the job as the person who appoints commissioners to the FEC.

Do I need to spell it out more clearly than that?

McCain isn’t done crapping on the Constitution. And I, for one, don’t feel like helping him.

Yes, that’s just one issue. But telling me Mussolini made the trains run on time doesn’t make him a praiseworthy leader. When you burn your bridges behind you, don’t complain that I’m not following.

Sorry if you feel differently, but I certainly haven’t heard a mea culpa from McCain stating that he was wrong to try to restrict and regulate speech on the internet. And, given that was what they were doing before the lawsuit, he obviously wasn’t happy with unregulated internet speech.

But that’s ok, voters have short memories, so that won’t hurt him outside the base. If he can get enough Democrats to vote for him he might still win.

gekkobear on February 7, 2008 at 7:05 PM

Buzzy on February 7, 2008 at 6:59 PM

I am so with you on this Buzzy. I can’t understand why so many obviously smart people here are so easily swayed. Its frustrating to know that we will never accomplish anything this way. We need to stand for something specific and then put the pieces in place to get it.

They don’t realize that the reason we are going to be stuck with Hillary Clinton is because years back we compromised. We abandoned our principles. We deviated from the vision of our founding fathers. We are about to do it again with McCain. The less support we give him the better it will be for Conservatives in the long run. Sometimes you have to take a punch in order to win the fight.

Zetterson on February 7, 2008 at 7:05 PM

see-dubya on February 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM

is right.

You’ve got to know when to hold ‘em.

This is one of those times.

INC on February 7, 2008 at 7:10 PM

SECOND LOOK AT McCAIN!

Rejected, for the third time.

Enoxo on February 7, 2008 at 7:18 PM

I love Coburn, but he is vital to keep in the Senate.
funky chicken on February 7, 2008 at 5:16 PM

I think you’re right. As much as I like Coburn, he is more valuable in the Senate, especially considering Gov. Henry would appoint a Democrat to replace him.

James OK on February 7, 2008 at 7:21 PM

From the first few seconds of his speech, “No Presidential agenda, no matter how conservative, survives contact with Congress“. Seems it should have been worded “survives contact with John McCain”…

golfer1 on February 7, 2008 at 7:26 PM

I’ll vote GOP for the Congress but I’d sooner vote Ron paul than for McCain. At least Paul will let me keep my guns and free speech rights. McCain will leave this country in worse shape than Clinton, and winning in Iraq won’t mean much when we don’t have a southern border. Or free speech. Or low taxes…

Rob Taylor on February 7, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Coburn’s tones are measured and his words well chosen. They give me reason for pause and I will pause to ponder his message.

I’ve read many responses here that are filled with angst - and properly so. Conservatives - true conservatives - are creatures of principle and nothing arouses their ire faster than the betrayal of a political creed we hold sacrosanct.

Nevertheless, I hasten to remind my friends that conservatives are also creatures of thought, of reason. Flighty emotionalism is for liberals; we conservatives think things through.

Therefore, in the spirit of our shared poltical creed and in the hope that we will secure victory this November I implore you to ponder deeply and at length this day’s proceedings. Consider the larger picture and consider the nature of the opposition.

In light of the foregoing ask yourself the following questions - and continue to ask yourself these questions from this day until election day:

Do we have a better chance of defeating Islamoterrorism with Hillary/Obama or with John McCain?

Do we have a better chance of appointing constructionist Supreme Court and appellate court justices with Hillary/Obama or with John McCain?

Do we have a better chance of cutting away pork barrel fat with Hillary/Obama or with John McCain?

If you had to bet your life (and it very well may be your life) on the best chance our republic has for survival in the next four years, would you bet on Clinton/Obama or John McCain?

No need to respond. Just give it some thought. You have eight months to think this through. A lot can happen in eight months.

NemoParticularis on February 7, 2008 at 7:31 PM

RushBaby on February 7, 2008 at 5:53 PM

Again, you speak to the essentials.

Spirit of 1776 on February 7, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Yeah for real, that was good. I was impressed by Coburn.

Dash on February 7, 2008 at 5:17 PM

One of my first posts here I said that Tom Coburn was my Favorite Senator !

Chakra Hammer on February 7, 2008 at 7:46 PM

So many people, so eager to make Hillary or Obama my CinC. Sigh.

major john on February 7, 2008 at 7:47 PM

McCain isn’t commited to fighting the larger war on Islmofascism. With Hezbollah in Venesueal and Chavez forginh ties with Iran anyone strong on the war on terror would be pro border security. McCain is pro victory in Iraq but he’s as soft on Islamic Imperialism as any Dem. America has one hope and that’s to take back Congress. Even if McCain won having him as POTUS with Dems in control of Congress and Senate will be a complete diasater.

I’d rather have Clinton or Obama and a GOP in a position to push back against their socialism because McCain will tact to the left of Mike Gravel as soon as he gets a chance.

Rob Taylor on February 7, 2008 at 7:48 PM

One of my first posts here I said that Tom Coburn was my Favorite Senator !

There must be something in the water in Oklahoma. Coburn, and the anti-Gore - Inhofe.

Spirit of 1776 on February 7, 2008 at 7:48 PM

There must be something in the water in Oklahoma.

Don’t leave Bryan an opening like that!

Inhofe’s up for re-election, by the way. It’s probably a safe seat but don’t take any chances this year. If you have some change to give to conservatives, keep his war-chest stocked.

see-dubya on February 7, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Great…

So it’s going to be Black Ghandi vs. the RINO?

It makes me consider following Lewis Black’s lead and just stab out my eyes with hot pokers.

Either way…. I lose.

Jones Zemkophill on February 7, 2008 at 8:07 PM

Don’t leave Bryan an opening like that!

Heh. Good point, but on the balance of things national leadership from OK currently is better than TX. To their credit though, neither has to apologize for Huckabee, Clinton, Nagan, or Blanco.

Spirit of 1776 on February 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM

So right, Inhofe is up for re election and honestly all is pretty much lost without Inhofe in the Senate when it comes to the Global (distribution of our wealth) Warming.

There are a lot (well, quite a few, some) good conservatives in the House and Senate and they will need our help.

But….. just so we’re clear, if they drink the McCain koolaid, kiss his ring or his butt, or name a male child Lindsey, they’re dead to me, forever. Sorry Tom but you should have known.

Buzzy on February 7, 2008 at 9:29 PM

SECOND LOOK AT McCAIN!

Never. If he wins, and I doubt he can, fine. He’ll do it without my support.

Zorro on February 7, 2008 at 9:51 PM

I think it’s interesting that, standing at the edge of the frame during that speech was George Allen (R-VA) who, if not for a poorly timed semi-racial slur in 2006, would almost certainly be running for President and would be the conservative front-runner, instead of standing at the edge of the frame for the speech introducing the GOP candidate for President.

Spc Steve on February 7, 2008 at 11:41 PM

That was surprisingly convincing, but words are still just words. I still don’t trust McCain at all. Write in Mitt!!!

Eclectic on February 8, 2008 at 12:44 AM

We shall see.

Bladerunner1701 on February 8, 2008 at 1:28 AM

All this is irrelevant. Now that McAmnesty is the presumptive nominee, the MSM will give him a maximum of 5 more minutes of fawning adulation before they turn on him and destroy him. How many hours until we see articles about the Keating Five on every front page?

If nominated, he will lose in a Ducacus-like landslide: possibly carrying only his home state…maybe carrying none at all.

landlines on February 8, 2008 at 2:22 AM

I don’t buy the argument that McCain is the one to fight Islamo-Facism.

He has shown no ability to deal with strategy: only tactics. His thinking is completely inside the box and predictable, and he missed the lesson about protecting your flank.

So the only difference I see is that McCain would be a setback in this struggle for a different reason than either of the Democrats.

landlines on February 8, 2008 at 2:30 AM

I don’t like McCain any more than most people. However, in the long run we have to realize that the next president will sit 2 possibly 3 Supreme Court Justices. Letting Hillary or Obama sit those judges would do FAR more damage to this country. I may not like McCain’s stance on immigration but he can only be in office for 8 years. Supreme Court IS FOR LIFE!!!

calirighty on February 8, 2008 at 7:48 AM

You are right, that is the best endorsement of McCain heard in while

georgealbert on February 8, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Q: What generates a Republican Majority in the Congress?

Hint: It’s not Republicans voting for Republicans.

Pundits saying they’re going to vote for Hillary is ridiculous. You’re not going to get a Republican majority if Hillary wins in 2008. You might have a shot by 2010, but even that is doubtful. Too many things would have to occur and the risks that the Democrats could be successful in passing legislation is one bet I’m willing to hedge and support McCain.

gabriel sutherland on February 8, 2008 at 10:24 AM

J.C. Watts for VP!

Texas Rainmaker on February 7, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Hey, that’s what I said! :-)

Beo on February 8, 2008 at 10:38 AM

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