He already has heard all the arguments. He is not a compromiser. McCain has not trouble at all making dirty deals to undercut the opposition (see the alliances he formed on the amnesty bill)

If you rattle the cage and threaten to not vote for him, he will read the polls and decide how much he has to promise.

Once he is elected, you will have a signed promise from a dishonest politician as your collateral for the vote you loaned him.

The biggest problem with McCain is his ability to carry grudges for slights. The amnesty bill was the biggest rejection in his career. He could not even withhold his contempt at CPAC when he childishly admitted that not enough most of his enemies opponents on the Immigration bill were good people.

McCain is not as strong as Hillary. He cannot hold back contempt not even to win an election.

That does make him useful if you enjoy placating lunatics

If you think he hates Bush, guess again what he feels about the closed borders crowd.

He loves the sucker punch

I have no interest if any of the co-conspirators are run as VP, including Guiliani, or Fred who could not wait to throw their delegates to McCain or the Huckster

Fed has not…yet.

I just don’t know what to do yet.

It’s a work in progress. If they continue to be defeated by their own party, even dumba$$ RINOs will get the message sooner or later.
The RINOs did not destroy the GOP in one election year and we can’t rebuild it with one election. The best way to turn our party around is to shove McRINO right back up their a$$es. It’s a start. Let’s get started on 2012 by taking the congress back.

I’m not shilling for McCain, but sitting on our hands has worked so well for us in the past. No wonder we’re being ignored.

You’re looking at it all wrong. We’re being bullied by our own party.
What do you do with bullies? You stand up to them. YOU MAKE THEM FEAR YOU.

Does anyone see what I’m saying?

Pcoop on February 8, 2008 at 7:00 AM

No

A vote for McCain is our way of giving him what he wants. And not in a good way. If he gets the presidency, he answers to us, after all, we did him the favor. Now we dictate what we get in return.

Call it a “deal with the devil” mentallity.

Pcoop on February 8, 2008 at 7:03 AM

If you vote for them you have given them your proxy

A proxy is a surrender of power. It does not instill fear, it instills courage

McCain is too old to worry about re-election

He is lame duck his first term, although that is a moot point since he cannot be elected

Does anyone notice how the far left Kooks has memeber of the Senate like Pelosi and Ried eating out of their hands?

Ever wonder why we don’t possess that kind of power? Because we’re wussies.

Pcoop on February 8, 2008 at 8:54 AM

That is why Reid and Pelosi ended the Iraq war and brought the boys home

You can’t respect someone who whines when they don’t get their way. Get over your pride and fight back. Take the party back the same way this country was founded, by fighting for it!

Pcoop on February 8, 2008 at 9:02 AM

It is not whining to reject a strategy that voting for a candidate who represents views you do not support will instill him with fear

It is rational thinking

This country was created by people who refused to accept the leadership chosen for them and wanted each man to have their own vote

This country was not founded on the premise that votes must be surrendered for the higher good or that the higher good will be defined for us by others

In other words, they fought for Liberty, not Obedience

The most rational whine is history may be found in the Declaration of Independence

After they signed the Declaration of Independence (a whine) the Founders did not join the Kings’s army to gain control of England. They did not say ‘Let us surrender to Burgoyne instead of Cornwallis to instill fear in the Crown’
Was it pride? Were they wusses?
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The pol-op spin above ramming the internet post-McCain is more than disingenous, it is insulting.

These talking points will eliminate the targeted voters from the GOP, which may be McCains’s ultimate objective

It does not conflict with my own new objectives, since the GOP no longer supports my needs

What difference does it make anyway? We don’t have a voice because we don’t use the one we got.

You can’t respect someone who whines when they don’t get their way. Get over your pride and fight back. Take the party back the same way this country was founded, by fighting for it!

Pcoop on February 8, 2008 at 9:02 AM

That’s right!! I will cast aside (yet again) my principles, hold my nose (McCainez’ own mother’s advice) and vote for the democrat, er, I mean McCainez. I have to compromise, swallow my pride, etc. Bah! The social-dems fear the quasi-commie kossacks and (huffn’ n puffn’) posts because they ain’t got jobs other than showing up at Pelosi’s (et al) doorstep and make a scene. I’ve got a job and better things to do with my life than go protesting everyday.

This is my first shot into the heart of wishy-washy lefty loving RINOS that are performing a coup within the Republican party. I ain’t votin’ for Capt. Queeg.

End of line.

Nichevo on February 8, 2008 at 9:31 AM

What do you propose then? Kind of between a rock and a hard place here, and we all know that “why me” has never been a good motivating slogan.

I’m just trying to rally troops any way I can. I’m already used to the idea that the next president will be a Democrat.

Does anyone here remember the amnesty bill? Why are we all screaming about what he could do when we actually have the power to influence what he does.
Pcoop on February 8, 2008 at 7:00 AM

Yes, I remember it: and that’s not how it went down.

McCain didn’t change his mind. While we were flooding the capitol switchboard, he was in cloakroom berating his fellow senators for failure to vote for the craptastic legislation, or for offering amendments to put lipstick on the pig. The grassroots won by putting the fear of defeat in those senators facing re-election this year. McCain was no gracious loser, either. It took him months (probably practicing in front of a mirror) to be able to mumble out the lie that he “heard” us.

We’ll be able to influence McCain in the White House as much as we influenced Bush to stop pushing amnesty for eight years. In other words, we will have no influence, and all the delusional rewriting of recent history won’t change that.

And here I was waiting for Queeg McCainez to start talking about “logic” or “strawberries.” When a politician says “I respect your opposition” it means the opposite and you’re being suckered.

BTW, I have this lovely beach front property in Yuma that I know you can’t pass on……….

TwinkietheKid on February 8, 2008 at 8:52 AM

It’s not being suckered. People like Pelosi and Ried fear their base of kooks because they hold their feet to the fire. We throw up our hands and complain that nothing changes and then expect it to by not voting for them.

Really, what kind of change do you expect will happen by handing it over to the Democrats? Will not voting make the country any safer. No. You put the fear into our guys just like the Daily Kos and HuffPo put into the left. We make them respect us again.

You can’t respect someone who whines when they don’t get their way. Get over your pride and fight back. Take the party back the same way this country was founded, by fighting for it!

Ever wonder why we don’t possess that kind of power? Because we’re wussies.

If he gets the presidency, he answers to us, after all, we did him the favor. Now we dictate what we get in return.

Call it a “deal with the devil” mentallity.

Pcoop on February 8, 2008 at 7:03 AM

And here I was waiting for Queeg McCainez to start talking about “logic” or “strawberries.” When a politician says “I respect your opposition” it means the opposite and you’re being suckered.

BTW, I have this lovely beach front property in Yuma that I know you can’t pass on……….

So. We are experiencing a change because of immigration. Is this a good thing, as Geraldo suggests? Or is this why we need to build the fence and maybe even slow down immigration?

A vote for McCain is our way of giving him what he wants. And not in a good way. If he gets the presidency, he answers to us, after all, we did him the favor. Now we dictate what we get in return.

Call it a “deal with the devil” mentallity.

McCain signed on to global warming and the treacherous gang of 14. Why would he not cut a pro-Democrat deal on gun control and abortion?

Does anyone here remember the amnesty bill? Why are we all screaming about what he could do when we actually have the power to influence what he does. He’s never had his feet held to the fire by anyone while he was in the Senate. He’s running for president It’s a whole different ballgame now.

Ever heard the old addage “be careful what you wish for, you just might get it?”

If we are as loud with his presidency as we were with the amnesty bill, he’ll have to listen to us. He’s expecting us to vote for him then do nothing? I don’t see it that way.

We are only the victims as long as we allow ourselves to be victims.

Battered wife syndrome is sticking around and taking it.

You’re looking at it all wrong. We’re being bullied by our own party.
What do you do with bullies? You stand up to them. YOU MAKE THEM FEAR YOU.

Does anyone see what I’m saying?

BOOOOOOOO …

I wonder how many conservatives[?] he will drag down with him this time around.

entagor on February 8, 2008 at 1:44 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUhM0BrZjsM

there’s time to win over conservatives with action more than words, and give him his due

He had his entire career in the Senate to win conservatives with action and we got McCain Feingold, Amnesty, slurs on the American worker, and slams to the MIA/POW families.

I am through eating doo-doo for the RNC.

A brilliant friend’s analysis: they did everything they could to make sure we had only open-borders advocates to vote for this election. At all costs, preserve the wealth for all those at the top who benefit financially with imported voters for one more generation or less, until the Chinese negate even this benefit

I have no interest if any of the co-conspirators are run as VP, including Guiliani, or Fred who could not wait to throw their delegates to McCain or the Huckster, who will pause for effect and then hand it over. They all lied about amnesty while campaigning, in order to con voters

I am also tired of the line that the DEMs will be worse. McCain has pre-emptively limited free speech for his own election. I cannot afford an ad in the NYT, but the groups that could will not be able because of McCain Feingold.

McCain is more open borders than the DEMS. They all suck up to LaRaza, seek voter registration and non-assimilation, but it is McCain who has slurred the American worker as lazy. It is mainly DEMs who still make protectionist noise towards China while the Country Clubbers are busy learning Mandarin and McCain slobbers over the Vietnamese to get the sweatshops open to trade

I am so over it

I see no reason to believe McCain will appoint constructionist judges when he fronted McCain Feingold, ran a shell game instead of a primary, led the fight to force amnesty repeatedly against public uproar. McCain has proven beyond a reasonable doubt he despises strict constuctionism

The only thing I gain by supporting McCain is new carpet at his country club called the GOP, a continuation of disgraceful manipulation of the primaries, a promise from a deconstructionist liar that he will appoint constructionist judges, and a weaker stand than the DEMs on protecting our nation against the many abuses that have come from unequal trade rules with China.

I will be voting but I will not vote for McCain
regardless of VP choice.

It is wonderful to be free. They did me a favor

I have wasted too many votes for a shell game

If McCain doesn’t pick Romney, and doesn’t promise to get out after one term, he’s asking for a hosing.
profitsbeard on February 8, 2008 at 12:44 AM

Absolute tripe. Romney has been the one shunning McCain, and he has too many weaknesses (e.g. with the evangelical base, his flip-flopping) for him to be credible. Mack has plenty of conservative options, and the time now to mull them over.

I’m warming to the idea of McCain/Forbes. The one sure way to hammer the Dems is on the economy this year, a subject on which even Obama will look hopelessly feeble. A strong pair of fiscal hands will boost McCain no end, in addition to his personal strengths on opposing bloated federal spending. This, plus McCain’s popular appeal on security, foreign policy, and pro-life issues, would be a formidable ticket.

There you have a rounded conservative ticket, which doesn’t appear too closely tied to GWB’s unfortunately deeply unpopular presidency, and which appeals to independents looking for a strong pair of hands on the tiller.

Unbeatable.