Scarborough: The media is “blinded by hatred” of Romney
posted at 9:07 am on February 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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For breakfast, a smorgasbord of day-after excuses and consolations. Take your pick: The south hates Mormons; the blue states hate conservatives; or the media hates Mitt Romney because they think there’s not much point in a guy pressing on who’s won exactly one big primary among something like 27 races so far despite a furious groundswell of support from right-wing media over the past few weeks.
When you’re done, enjoy a slow scroll through the California district-by-district returns. I count 2 out of 52. Total estimated cost per delegate thus far: $1.16 million. Which can’t possibly be right. Can it? Click the image to watch.
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I don’t need to watch it to know what it’s like. He was rooting for Romney so hard in the Florida day it was ridiculous.
If Romney was such a good candidate, why does he focus so much of his time, money, and commercials attacking the other people? Romney is probably taking votes away from Huckabee.
Romney is spending his personal fortune and getting beaten again and again and again.
Let me make something clear again. MITT ROMNEY IS NOT CONSERVATIVE no matter how much he says it, no matter how much his ’supporters’ want it.
ThackerAgency on February 6, 2008 at 9:13 AM
I am going to get a cookie and a glass of something strong and forget all about these godawful primaries. World gone mad.
Halley on February 6, 2008 at 9:15 AM
This guy is an idiot. The media is blinded by hatred of Romney? I guess he’s not familiar with the new media, huh?
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 9:15 AM
He denigrates the ‘evangelical’ base of Huckabee, but Scarboro didn’t say anything about Romney’s Mormon support out west – without whom Romney would not have won anything.
It’s amazing to me that Christianity is more objectionable to ‘conservatives’ than Mormonism is. I guess the people who feel this way think that they are ‘enlightened’ or something. But they are just ‘unhinged’.
ThackerAgency on February 6, 2008 at 9:16 AM
Mormons are THE most conservative voting block as a whole.
The evangelical community these days is little more than pro-life Democrats.
BKennedy on February 6, 2008 at 9:18 AM
I love Steyn and all, but uhhh, I don’t think he can really speak to the Southern mentality and all. None of my Southern friends have been pontificating about the dangers of electing a Mormon to the White House. They’ve been talking about how Mitt is too slick and about how Huck cares about the common man. His populism rings true down here. Bubbas don’t like Wall Street banker types. They like down-to-earth blue-collar types. The South is still relatively poor; its economy has a disproportionate emphasis on agriculture and manufacturing. I don’t like Huck, but what he is selling works down here.
RW Wacko on February 6, 2008 at 9:19 AM
20 million illegals can’t be wrong.
McDole 2008!
profitsbeard on February 6, 2008 at 9:20 AM
Come on BKennedy. That statement is not based in fact AT ALL.
You obviously haven’t been in the South much recently. There is no ‘evangelical’ community. And the Protestants have been voting R for a LOT longer than the Johnny come lately Catholics like yourself. I’m glad you know so much about this new fangled religion.
I’m glad you find Christianity more objectionable than Mormonism. Your priest should be proud.
ThackerAgency on February 6, 2008 at 9:21 AM
This is going to be a long day. I haven;t fully swallowed the Romney pill yet. I think his loss is due to the issues listed above. Evangelicals will never vote for a Mormon. Sad to say but it’s true. I think it’s interesting how McCain and Romney nearly split California, still, he needed that so I don’t see how he can go on. I’ll stop backing him when he concedes, which I expect him to do.
We’re going to get a Dem in the White House.
Geronimo on February 6, 2008 at 9:21 AM
I suppose everywhere else Romney lost hates Mormons also.
EnochCain on February 6, 2008 at 9:23 AM
Who is stronger on 2nd amendment? Who is more pro-life? Who is more anti-gay, uh, sorry I mean “pro-marriage”? Who is more of a populist, less slick, talks in common language? His religion helped big-time, but it was not an anti-Mormon thing for those who liked Huck’s religion, it was just that they liked the fact that Huck was a friggin’ minister. Might be some anti-Mormon folks out there, but I don’t see Obama getting pulled down by all the raaaaaaaaaacists in the South. Give me a break.
RW Wacko on February 6, 2008 at 9:23 AM
Does anyone what to discuss what this thread is about?
Wade on February 6, 2008 at 9:24 AM
No, it ISN’T true. Pro life people have a problem with someone who isn’t sure why abortion should be banned. Pro life people have a problem with someone rejecting the endorsement of a pro-life group publicly. CONSERVATIVES have a problem with a politician that has mandated universal health coverage on the backs of small businesses. CONSERVATIVES have a problem with someone BUYING the election. CONSERVATIVES have a problem with considering someone from the most liberal state in the country to be the ‘Conservative stalwart’.
His Mormonism is a mark in his favor because of the family values it put in his personal life. He isn’t losing because he is a Mormon, but it makes a nice narrative for the story in your head doesn’t it? Isn’t it nicer to believe that you live in a bigoted country rather than the fact that Romney might not have a message that resonates with CONSERVATIVES (other than the Tammy Bruce ‘conservatives’)?
ThackerAgency on February 6, 2008 at 9:26 AM
C’mon.
Romney lost because out where it matters, no one bought what he was selling.
Ann and Rush and Sean and Laura and Michelle and Bryan and all the rest of the right media would do well to wise up to that.
In the end I would have voted for him, but…
The final four: Hill-O-Billy; Maverick; Obambi; Chuckleberry.
*Sigh*
Oh, well. One time the only choices left on the ballot were Gerald Ford and Jimmuh Cahtuh.
This can’t be worse than that.
Can it?
Typhoon on February 6, 2008 at 9:27 AM
People do like McLiar. I have relatives that were gaa gaa over HuckaGibot until I explained to them what he is. Then they ran over to McShamnesty. Not because of substance, but because they like him. Problem is they don’t really like what he is because they haven’t taken the time to find out that he embodies many things that they despise. The MSM has given McInsane a pass. Well, that party is over. Get ready for the Keating 5, etc.
McVain will lose in November because just as we see in the primaries, the rep candidates do not inspire conservatives to vote. The dems turned out 2-1. That’s 2 to 1!
McLiars problem is that he doesn’t have what it takes to get the conservative vote to come out. Mitt went from an unknown to garnering most of the conservative vote in the rep primaries. He has continually moved up in support and with more time and a nuanced message he could invigorate the base to actually turn out in November.
So, be prepared to welcome the dems into the white house with a clear majority in the congress.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 9:27 AM
ThackerAgency,
The DemCong have been spinning the ‘its time for a change’ for a long time now and it appears that that will be the theme for this presidential season, from both sides. The problem is that to get a ‘change’ in Washington, you have to have someone not tainted by Washington. How many candidates are NOT Washington insiders?
I’ll give you a clue, none of the DemCong and at least one RINO.
In the next four(4) years the problems that are going to be front and center are as follows, and in this order:
1) Securing the US borders and national security
2) The looming recession/depression because the FED just prints more deflated dollars
3) Shrinking the swelling Central Committee(federal bureaucracy)
4) Trimming the ever expanding entitlement programs
Now take your guess!
belad on February 6, 2008 at 9:27 AM
“Blinded by” the fact that Romney was way to the left of McCain just a few years ago on most issues, & SHAZAM, he’s a conservative just in time for the primaries.
jgapinoy on February 6, 2008 at 9:29 AM
RW Wacko, correct. They need to cool it on the hate for the South. No wonder Southerners won’t vote for Yankees, if they get to see how the Yankees (and Canadians?) actually feel about them.
Mitt was bad on guns, and screwed the pooch with the flip flop between his MTP appearance with Russert in mid Dec. and his interview with the instapundits only a month later.
Yeah, there is some anti-Mormon bigotry down here. But that’s not what lost the race for Romney in the south….the super-Yankee persona and guns were huge problems for him.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 9:30 AM
Heh. Don’t insult the south, you elitist Yankee-lovers!
Slublog on February 6, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Wade, the guy’s premise is ludicrous, and his piggy little eyes make me kinda ill.
Better?
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 9:32 AM
Slu, you may think it’s funny, but they don’t. I’m a transplanted Yankee living in Montgomery, AL. The suspicion for fast talking Massachusetts gun-grabbers is very strong down here, much stronger than the bigotry. You won’t find Southerners out saying horrible things about Northerners nearly as often as you see Northerners slinging shit at the South.
Yeah, if you look real hard you can find some KKK types still.
You can also find Jamaat Al-Fuqra. Does that mean AL stands for the jihad? Of course not.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 9:35 AM
The media studiously ignored and downplayed Romney so that the weaker “Republican” candidate would get the nod.
McDole.
The geriatric backstabber.
The Dems’ dream opponent.
Cranky, with lots of murky baggage, and no understanding of the economy.
Who has alienated so many in his own (putative) party with his liberal betrayals.
Made to order by the (so-far throwing marshmallows) MSM spin machine.
As easy to beat as an old rug.
Vote for your Republican Congresspeople, at least, in November.
McShamnesty marches on.
profitsbeard on February 6, 2008 at 9:36 AM
I’m exactly the opposite. I’m a Texan stranded in the wilds of Maine. I just think extreme regionalism is a bit silly.
Slublog on February 6, 2008 at 9:38 AM
I too think Steyn is off on the supposed anti-Mormon bigotry in the South. It could just as well be that Southerners (and I myself am a Son of the South) don’t like a)New Englanders, esp. from Massachusetts, b) venture capitalists/investment bankers c) someone who changed his positions radically for apparent political gain.
And Southerners love military types and pastors, again esp. over rich boys with summer homes. I know NRO and HA hate it when McCain disses Romney for making money while he was in the military but that resounds with many Southerners. Same with Huck’s line about someone who looks like the guy who laid you off. Blue-collar Southerns are suspicious of technocratic, managerial types.
Combine all this – Romney as rich, flip-flopping, New England, CEO whose kids go surfing in Costa Rica in December vs. a war hero and a Southern pastor – and it’s a wonder Romney won any votes in the South.
Vote Sauron 08 on February 6, 2008 at 9:39 AM
Bingo. And voters just weren’t buying it.
People can say what they will about John McCain, and agree with him or not, you at least know where he stands on important issues.
Romney?…not so much.
JetBoy on February 6, 2008 at 9:39 AM
I am ashamed of my fellow southerners.
I spoke with a guy here in Georgia about all the candidates and he said he would vote for Romney.
My son was there and mentioned Mitt is a Mormon.
The guy’s face went slack and he said, “Oh I can’t vote for him, he does not believe in God.”
EJDolbow on February 6, 2008 at 9:40 AM
To me, you’re both theological heretics.
The Mormons aren’t the ones who publish volumes upon volumes of anti-Catholic screeds.
Protestants go by two books. The Bible and Anti-Catholic Encyclopedia.
The Anti-Catholic Encyclopedia is the larger and more important of the two.
BKennedy on February 6, 2008 at 9:40 AM
The sad results of MDS:
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 9:40 AM
Romney’s problem is he comes off kind of stilted and corny. But if you look at substance over style he’s by far the most qualified candidate to be chief executive of the United States, which in the end is what this is all about (right?).
While I cringe at Romney’s attempts to sound like a regular Joe I have much deeper reservations about putting people whose only worldview is that of a professional politician in charge of this country (McCain, Clinton & Obama). Huckabee has been a professional minister, which isn’t exactly an executive type position. Nor does it nullify his shortcomings as a pretty mediocre governor. Plus, I thnk there needs to be a ban on smooth talking Arkansans inhabiting the White House.
So while Romney is far from perfect he is the best of a really lousy field. Whether that fact will dawn on the electorate remains to be seen.
miles on February 6, 2008 at 9:41 AM
I think roughly 1/2 of the money Romney has been spending is his own. He must be asking himself, when does he write off the sunk costs and walk away?
bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 9:43 AM
Exactly. Hey MSM, why don’t you exit poll that issue! Talk radio seems clueless on it as well.
JStew on February 6, 2008 at 9:43 AM
I wouldn’t paint with that broad a brush. Is the Anti-Catholic Encyclopedia an actual book? I’m a protestant and I’ve never heard of such a thing.
Slublog on February 6, 2008 at 9:43 AM
True. We don’t anything about Romney and we know McCain is a liberal in conservative clothing. Well I’m convinced… to sit at home or vote for Obama or Hillary.
Vote all the bums out if that what it takes for the so called “party” to decide what it stands for (right now it stands for nothing more than to mimic the Democrats).
TOPV on February 6, 2008 at 9:44 AM
Mitt Romney FTW!!!
He’s still in it!!!
Groundswell!!!
Levinite on February 6, 2008 at 9:44 AM
Dear gawd…you can’t get much “deeper South” than that. I don’t think I could do it.
JetBoy on February 6, 2008 at 9:44 AM
If Romney became President and Joe was still at MSNBC, he’d turn on Romney not too far into his presidency.
jp on February 6, 2008 at 9:47 AM
It is not one book so much as a collection of anti-Catholic literature which could fill a library on it’s own. “Don’t Catholics worship Mary?” “There’s no basis for a pope in the Bible! Sola Scriptura! Predetermination!”
There are over 38,000 Protestant denominations. Nearly all of them lie about and distort the Catholic faith.
BKennedy on February 6, 2008 at 9:47 AM
Scarborough’s right.
Ex-tex on February 6, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Are you listening to yourself?
Yep, we have bigots, but we loves our guns! Hello? The WOT, the economy, immigration, McCains status as a dishonest Washington insider, are all issues that should have mattered more.
The dems will play two sound clips in the general….
100 years in Iraq…..Of course they will cut the clip short and take it out of context, just as McLiar did with Romney.
And bomb Iran…..
They wont have to cut that clip.
Oh yeah, then we have this…..
And then there is Cindy’s thievery issues. Except for Hillary, what potential first lady has ever been involved in such vile behavior?
McCain is a dem, and the real dem will beat him in November.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 9:49 AM
I just don’t get the original premise: RINO Scarborough likes Romney? Why?
Jaibones on February 6, 2008 at 9:49 AM
Anti-Mormonism certainly played a role in the punishment Romney took in the bible belt. There’s still a significant faction within the evangelical community that views Mormonism as somewhere between paganism and outright Satanism. Probably pro-southern-Baptist-ism played a bigger role, though. That, and southern charm tends to work pretty well in the South.
I thought this was interesting per The Corner:
I don’t know why he’d assume that, after Huckabee owned the South. I hope he’s right, though.
RightOFLeft on February 6, 2008 at 9:51 AM
Yes, Conservatives are much more interested in a guy that is beholden to lobbyists and contributors. C’mon man, chill out. You got spittle on my screen.
JasonG on February 6, 2008 at 9:52 AM
The media, on the other hand (temporarily) “loves” McDole.
It’s his “turn”.
Even Huckabee would have been less divisive.
And Romney might have a chance to win.
So they used their left-leaning biases to prop up McHero.
Until he gets a clear nomination.
Then their tune will change from “You’re My Hero” to “Bad To The Bone”.
Cranky, too old, too tired, a Washington insider, a backstabber, petty, and a Democrat-lite.
What’s not for the NY Times to love?
They picked the “lion” with no teeth.
On purpose.
McDole.
profitsbeard on February 6, 2008 at 9:52 AM
So insightful and full of facts. It is beyond my intelligence.
Wade on February 6, 2008 at 9:53 AM
After seven years of watching and fighting against Americans who wish to see the country suffer so that they can get at George Bush, the last thing I wanted or expected to see was conservatives saying they would rather see the country suffer than support John McCain over Clinton or Obama, so that they can “get the blame.”
A retreat before victory is assured in Iraq cannot be undone in 2012. And mandatory, single-payer, universal health care, once established, will not EVER go away either.
I am not impugning anyone’s motives. I believe I have a reasonable understanding of principled behavior. But if your goal is to see the country punished because—
You can stop right there. If your goal is to see America punished, and her people open to attack and/or ruined financially in order to prove a point for any reason, then you do not deserve politial power nor are you likely to achieve it. A party is a compact. It is, essentially, a pleage of mutual support. As a matter of fact, it’s nothing more or less than a promise.
A political party is a series of personal compromises in order to achieve a goal unattainable by the perfect political party: one’s own self. If McCain is the legal and lawfully selected nominee, and Republicans decide to walk away from their party in droves, what makes them think they will be able to count on those who, you know, actually went out and voted Republican either joyfully or through clenched teeth, in order to prevent The Deluge?
If your idea of any political party is one that means unlimited support for your personal values if your candidate is ascendant, while you in turn owe none to those you dislike or even disdain, you might be in for a surprise in future elections.
Speaking as a FredHead myself, I am bitterly disappointed that I did not even have the chance to vote for a man I admired, and am more distraught still to find myself in the position I now occupy. I see many, many worrisome things about John McCain, but being tough on terror and spending are not among them. We could do worse. Two names come to mind immediately.
Much is said about principles, and since I am not able elect anyone BY MYSELF I have entered into this pact with the group of people who I feel most comfortable with in terms of values. If they, as a body, choose a candidate who is not my first, second, third or fourth choice, then I can look to the Democrats. There I find views so antithetical to everything I believe that I realize there is indeed something to this idea of party loyalty.
And I cannot help but think that such a kind and practical man as Ronald Reagan would be amazed that his name was being invoked so frequently in order to insure that the most liberal, socialist, power-hungry statist in my living memory is elected. I’m glad he’s not here to see this because if he knew the consequences of what was being done in his name, I believe it would kill the man.
Bill Whittle
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 9:53 AM
I am blinded by hatred of Joe Scarborough.
What a complete moron.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 6, 2008 at 9:54 AM
I’m not saying it was ALL religious bigotry but it was a factor. Along with him being from Mass which is looked down upon in the south, the whole Yankee thing.
I think it was a lot of small factors that put together we too much. Maybe it’s because I’m hardcore against illegal immigration that I really wanted Mitt to win. Not sure what I’ll do in the General, I’ll crioss that bridge when I come to it.
Interesting demographic maps here to prove my point about the southern Evangelicals being bigoted about Mormons.
Geronimo on February 6, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Exactly, and that was the point Scarborough was trying to make.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The MSM is the biggest enemy of the Republican Party. They have systematically controlled the outcome of the primaries.
Whether through manipulated in-house polls or by their constant drumbeat of purposely slanted reporting, they have yet again successfully duped the uninformed viewing public at large.
fogw on February 6, 2008 at 9:56 AM
At some point, if Republican voters keep electing moderates, you’re going to have to stop calling moderates RINO’s. Is Scarborough even moderate, btw?
RightOFLeft on February 6, 2008 at 9:56 AM
Yep, you hard core Romney supporters sure do come across as nice people who could make friends and influence people to consider supporting your candidate.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 9:56 AM
Did Hot Air merge with MoveOn? Apparently so given the silly comments here suggesting the media doesn’t hate repub’s, conservatives and Romney. Shep Smith had to stay in his chair yesterday evening to hide the wood he had over the Huckster’s gamemanship in WV.
David in ATL on February 6, 2008 at 9:57 AM
“Yankees”? When will you guys get over the civil war? I just find it hilarious that anyone from the south would vote for the idiot they work with before a man who created jobs. But then again much of this has to do with research and if they don’t understand his religion, have no idea what Romney’s record was on gun control or dislike successful intelligent people, what can I say? The man with a B.A. in religion and who is completely unqualified to be president is their man! There are far to many dumb and sucker people in this country just look at the success of casinos.
Poptech on February 6, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Romney supports ethanol and automaker subsdies, supports medicare expansion, created government health insurance when he was governor, was very “moderate” in his behavior on illegal immigration.
Romney isn’t a conservative.
Duncan Hunter was, Fred was certainly more conservative than Romney.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Heh. I was on the fence with Romney and McCain for a while after Rudy dropped out, but the attitude and vitriol of the Romney supporters made it impossible for me to join that team.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 6, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Shep has a penis? I dunno ’bout that.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Eat some slime, sire?
Geronimo on February 6, 2008 at 10:00 AM
DoctorDentons on February 6, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Crying may have worked for the Hildebeast in New Hampshire, byt I doubt if crying over WV will help Romney or his supporters.
If the brilliant businessman that saved the olympics does not understand basic political strategy, he deserved to lose.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 6, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Ya know, you McVanity shills are just CLUELESS. Stopping McShamnesty is what we are trying to do. He is substantively not much better than the dems. He will open our borders. He will stifle free speech. He will put restrictions on American business with his global warming mantra, but ingores that fact that it is GLOBAL warming. Until the rest of the GLOBE works on it also, what we do will have no affect whatsoever except to cost AMERICANS hundreds of dollars each year.
Wake up. McCain = dems
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Didn’t take long to prove my point.
Learn to lose graciously, sir?
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 6, 2008 at 10:01 AM
funky-
Did you mean John McCain isn’t a pimp for those “socialist, power-hungry statist” types like Kennedy, Feingold and Lieberman?
He’s a turncoat (McShamnesty) to the party, who managed to wave some shiny medals in the face of the inattentive, who then voted for the shine and not the substance (Amnesty, anti-1st Amendment, global-warming, anti-tax cuts).
McDole 2008.
I’ll vote for the most conservative Congresspeople and write in a conservative for POTUS …if McCain doesn’t bow out by November (as the MSM exposes his many corruptions).
profitsbeard on February 6, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Could you lay off the “Anti-Catholic” rhetoric? Are your “Anti-Catholics” to be compared to anti-semites or racists that hate the people? As a former catholic and now reformed protestant, I can tell you that I have never seen it. It’s simply self-victimizing. I love my still Catholic family and friends but I am against the teachings of their church. If you refuse to cease using this term, would it be fair for me to call you an Anti-Protestant?
As far as the encyclopedia bit, this is laughable. True fundamental protestants believe in sola scriptura (the Bible alone). If you truly new what that meant you wouldn’t say such ridiculous things.
shick on February 6, 2008 at 10:02 AM
I think Scarborough was pointing out the media reporting and has noting to do with his personal likes. Point one is with the facts staring at the media, Romney is in second place. Unless it is a tie how could the media report Huckabee be in second place? Is that the reporting just plain stupid or biased? I say biased.
Wade on February 6, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Good point…..I should not have implied it was attached to him! Let’s say he was sitting on it.
David in ATL on February 6, 2008 at 10:04 AM
AGAIN, dig your head out. Romney supporters are CONSERVATIVES. If you were a true conservatve you wouldn’t look at a candidates supporters to decide if you should vote for him.
Go support McVainty, HuckaGibot, or any dem. They are more in line with your reasoning.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Oh, I think ol’ BKennedy gives pretty much anybody a run for their money on the religious bigotry thing.
P
Yeah, those Episcopalians and Lutherans and United Methodists and Presbyterians spend so much time hating on Catholics.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 10:07 AM
The only turncoats I see are those that continue to pour slime on the man that we have obviously selected as our nominee.
You have already made it clear that you are a hateful, spiteful, ungracious loser that would rather have America burn to the ground than see a “RINO” win the White House.
Yes, we know you won’t vote for the presumptive nominee of the republican party. You don’t need to post the same thing 100 more times.
Now, continue holding your breath, child, until you get your way.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 6, 2008 at 10:07 AM
Good timing, what can I say? I can lose graciously, I will throw in the towel when Mitt does, which I expect him to do eventually. A lot can happen between now and November, I really do not think Mitt will be there and I do think whoever the Republican nominee, the Dem’s will crush.
We are divided and at the moment, I can’t see through the fog and everyone getting solidly behind a GOP nominee.
Add to that, everything at stake. Terrifying.
Geronimo on February 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 9:53 AM
You actually think people bother to read your repeated cut and paste diatribe? You’ve posted the same post on several threads. Great way to prove a point.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Yep, that Bill Whittle, what a shill.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Well, this election season is certainly fun, huh?
I don’t see a group-hug end to this anytime soon.
Slublog on February 6, 2008 at 10:10 AM
A few here got it right. Vote for every Republican you can for Congress. If we can keep what we have there or even increase to control one or both, we can somewhat control whatever Bozo sits in the whitehouse.
Jimmybob on February 6, 2008 at 10:10 AM
As a southerner (NC), I’ve not met anyone who sited “Mormonism” as a reason for voting against Mitt, BUT these same folks couldn’t really give me a reason why they think McCain or Hickabee would be a better president. Mostly, I got things like, “well, Mac is like me” and “Huck’s a good Christian.” Basically, I took it to mean that they think that Romney is something “else” I suppose. I’d be pretty pissed off if I were a Mormon, which votes ‘R’ about as much as blacks vote ‘D’. It wouldn’t surprise me if they all sat home in November as well, which would put a lot of states (like Utah, Nevada, etc…) in play for the Clinton/Obama ticket. Just sayin’. If so, I couldn’t really blame them, especially after what Hickabee said about Mitt’s beliefs a month or so ago.
Gartrip on February 6, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Wow, that’s news to me. I wasn’t aware my church library had a collection of anti-Catholic literature. I can’t wait to read it!
FWIW, you can say Catholics don’t worship Mary, but the fact remains they have elevated her to a demi-god. Catholics do pray to her. Also, there is no basis for a pope in the Bible. It’s simply not in there. Also FWIW, “Sola Scriptura” is a Lutheran concept, but is firmly rooted in Scripture. Lastly, predetermination, in the sense of God choosing beforehand who would be saved and who would be lost, is primarily a Calvninist position, and not common in most Protestant churches. I highly doubt the 38,000 Protestant denominations you claim exist fully agree on any of these positions. Don’t be too eager to stereotype.
fourstringfuror on February 6, 2008 at 10:10 AM
If the Dems do win, and it is far from a sure thing, it will be more due to the attitude I have seen espoused here by losing Romney supporters than anything McCain did or didn’t do.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 6, 2008 at 10:11 AM
The exit polls have clearly shown the folks that consider themselves to be conservative to strongly conservative voted for Romney. Now it’s ok to vote for McShamnesty, just don’t go around calling yourself conservative. Rino, independent, moderate, libtard, moonbat-in-training …. those descriptions would be more accurate.
David in ATL on February 6, 2008 at 10:11 AM
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 9:56 AM
Heh. I was on the fence with Romney and McCain for a while after Rudy dropped out, but the attitude and vitriol of the Romney supporters made it impossible for me to join that team.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 6, 2008 at 9:58 AM
If committed principles and reasoned behavior are attitude and vitriol, guilty as charged.
I’m grateful that people can commit to McCain: one who cannot explain any details of his platform within a debate. Demagogic class warfare and homespun, self-gratifying humor are his calling cards.
I’ll take Romney’s principles over McCain’s anytime. Romney’s make millions. McCain’s cost millions.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 10:13 AM
I’m a loyal American and a Republican all the way. I have no qualms, whatsoever in supporting our nominee. I enthusiastically will help McCain beat back the threat from Hillary or Obama.
It is time to turn our energies towards winning the real election. Romney needs to concede immediattely if he wants to have any hope of being in the future of this party. If he continues to try to split the party to save his failed campaign, he will have shown he is unworthy of any future support.
A house divided cannot stand.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 6, 2008 at 10:15 AM
And I am sure you are still rooting for the Patriots to win, but the Superbowl is over an whether you realize it or not, so is the Republican Primary.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 6, 2008 at 10:16 AM
I agree a lot can happen between now and then. I think that with weeding out candidates, the pissed ofdf and grieving process will come AND go. With Romney gone, I will look at the field and then decide what’s best. I don’t think Romney supporters will harbor resentment in Nov over this. I’m speaking for myself anyway.
McCain has some pretty serious issues regarding his record and most importantly to me, his attitude.
Anyway, we’ll see how it all pans out. One hell of a ride though.
Geronimo on February 6, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Remember when dubya campaigned for Arlen Specter? Expect more of the same from McCain as president. He’ll support those he is closest to ideologically, and drive the GOP further left. His legislative initiatives will reflect that. That is why the GOP establishment is what it its today. Why should I continue to contribute to that? So Hillary or Obama won’t be elected? They will be anyway. Conservatives are left with the choice of bleeding out slowly or rupturing a major vessel. The GOP won’t ever have 3 legs on the stool again.
a capella on February 6, 2008 at 10:18 AM
David in ATL on February 6, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Thank you for the observation David. There’s a self-glossing that is rampant within this campaign. McCain the foot soldier, the true conservative. The numbers do not lie. I’m not infected by PC. What’s infected this party is progressivism. It’s spawned democrats within the party. McCain is a reformed republican. Welcome to the one-party system.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 10:18 AM
The way I read what he said was an indictment on the media and not a endorsement of Romney.
He is partially correct, but in the end, Mitt just couldn’t/wouldn’t understand that people want to like their candidate too. The same reason Fred couldn’t over come his blasé personality. Like it or not, the indies and moderates are less interested in substance and more interested in having their ears tickled.
Welcome to a presidential race where McShamnesty is finally vetted. The nightmare we feared is here. Our nominee got through the primary process without the country hearing what he really is.
Mitt is a new conservative who respects and wants the base to support him and will govern as he promises.
McCain is an dems in rep clothing that has been poking the base in the eye for years. He has never run any organization when his subordinates did not have the threat of the UCMJ hanging over their heads.
This is why McCranky gets so angry. He cannot get anyone, except the dems to follow him voluntarily. He will be completely ineffective working with the reps in congress because he will think he was destined to be the president and by goodness, everyone better just do exactly as he says. The free will of a democracy will be a huge eye opener for McImTheBoss.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 10:19 AM
That’s reasonable. :)
And Mac will begin the healing tomorrow at CPAC.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 6, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Only vacuous morons judge a candidate by his supporters. You want proof? I’ll have Hillary come over here and start singing your praises. You’ll be demanding everyone judge you for who you are so fast your head will spin.
Wake up dopey.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Riehl debunks Southern Mormon-hatred through exit polls.
Plus, let’s be honest, Romney is not a particularly good campaigner. His campaign relies far too much on tv ads and he can be a bit awkward when speaking off-script.
Speaking of bigotry, I find it interesting that people are quick to jump on the South for not voting for a Mormon but somehow everyone gives Utah a free pass for voting for a Mormon (or conversely for not voting for non-Mormons). Voting for someone because of his religion is just as bigoted as not voting for someone because of his religion.
Romney won Utah with 90% of the vote. I can’t find a clearer expression of bigotry on the Republican side in this election.
Vote Sauron 08 on February 6, 2008 at 10:24 AM
I don’t agree. Unless McCain makes some major commitments at CPAC, his campaign rhetoric till November will just make things worse. He can’t ride the whole race just based on support for the military. There are many other components to the WOT, one of which is effective border protection, and if he can’t differentiate himself from Hillary or Obama on that issue, one can’t take him seriously.
a capella on February 6, 2008 at 10:26 AM
What an incredible asset you are for the Romney campaign.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 6, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Oh! I missed this little gem of yours.
Please explain to me how the comments you suggested are Anti-Catholic, hating the Catholic people.
Where do you get the 38,000 denominations number? There is an interesting little tale that comes with this number that most Catholic apologists like to leave out. This number includes a large number who refuse the essentials of the christian faith, Grace alonethrough faith alone by Christ alone for the glory of God alone to be understood through His word alone. Take the 5 Solas out and the number greatly decreases.
If bowing down to statues and icons and praying to deceased saints and Mary only consists of reverence towards them, then why is it that Pagans, Hindus and Budhists claim the same thing? Please elaborate the difference for me.
shick on February 6, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Geronimno:
I don’t harbor resentment towards McCain in February over this. McCain is what he is. I do, however, resent the MSM and Republican establishment over this. They’ve succeeded in pushing this on the electorate. Contrast McCain’s get-out-of-jail card with the media with the beat down he’ll get after the party nomination. I don’t see how the MSM elite can contain themselves right now. This will be the case study on how to beat back conservative success. The Republican establishment has embraced expediency and viability over reason and principle.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 10:29 AM
As an evangelical pastor in the South, I have to disagree with you. Bought any Christian music lately? Been to a Christian bookstore? Listened to any Christian talk radio? There is *definitely* a evangelical community/subculture.
Unfortunately many of our friends are lining up with Huckabee.
Tim on February 6, 2008 at 10:31 AM
You’re right, people DID vote for him because he was a Mormon and was very well known in the Mormon circles whereas he really wasn’t known at all in the south before this.
People in the south also voted for Huck because they can relate to him.
I’m not saying it didn’t happen both ways.
Geronimo on February 6, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Only a vacuous fool as yourself judges a campaign by a random supporter of the candidate. I am a conservative which you clearly are not.
What you are is an incredible asset for Democrats with your liberal mentality that infects this country and has been dragging it into the depths of socialism for 20 years. You must be so proud.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Vote Sauron 08 on February 6, 2008 at 10:24 AM
Mormons understand Mitt’s principles and Mitt’s culture. What seems out of phase, plastic, stiff, insincere, too-cute, too perfect, is natural to Mormons. Speaking for myself, but attempting to apply as a whole, Mormons try to live “in” the world but not “of” the world. I believe part of Mitt’s “connection” problems might stem from that. Many Mormons recognize Mitt’s personal and business successes come from adhering to and applying his Mormon ethic. We don’t fault him for that and we don’t begrudge him for it. I for one celebrate him for that and I encourage him.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 10:37 AM
The media is blinded by ignorance, not hatred.
The vast majority of reporters have no sense of history and no knowledge of the constitution, because they haven’t been taught any of this in our liberal educational system. They believe that Angelina Jolie is a great humanitarian, that George Bush lied to get us to go to war, that Global Warming is caused by SUV’s and that Hillary Clinton and/or Barack Obama are qualified for the office that they seek. They have been fed left wing liberal pablum since they were in kindergarten.
Although he was not my first choice to be the GOP nominee (or my second, or third, or even fourth) McCain knows how to deal with the MSM. You can call it ego, you can say he’s sucking up, but when it all comes down to it, who are they slobbering over, and endorsing? On what major issues does he differ significantly from Bush, yet he has been able to cast himself as the statesman to Bush’s partisan.
There’s a certain brilliance to that, which is being missed by most conservatives, who prefer to whine about liberal media bias, and wipe their noses on Rush’s sleeve.
In politics, as in any other contest, you can only fight with the weapons that you have. Give McCain some credit for figuring that out. I think he’s crazy like a fox.
Priscilla on February 6, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Get up to speed. Utah is heavily CONSERVATIVE. That is not to be mistaken for REPUBLICAN as they are two different things.
HuckaBigot exposed himself and the people he was targeting when he ran as the Jesus candidate. he is a disgusting vile bigot and so is every single evangelical that supported him for those reasons.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 10:39 AM
I agree with Scarborough…..the bias in the media against Romney is incredibly obvious. If you can’t see that, maybe you need to have your eyes and ears checked.
Livefreeordie on February 6, 2008 at 10:41 AM
You don’t handle losing well.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 6, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Priscilla on February 6, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Deliberate behavior is not necessarily ignorance. They sell ignorance to their viewers. Their mantra is the quest for truth. If they’re truly interested in both sides, they would search out these things. I do give McCain credit for playing on this, but I don’t consider it virtuous.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 10:43 AM
I think a dem will make it to the White House. From right here, this time and place in the election, I can’t see people uniting behind McCain enough to beat a clearly unified Dem party. Whether it’s Hillary or Barack.
Yeah, I agree with you about the MSM wanting McCain because they think he’ll get trounced. Maybe he will but if he does, it will be because he doesn’t have a strong party behind him.
He need to reach out and start mending fences a bit at CPAC for starters and listen to his base who are skeptical of him and not treat them like minions or a hinderence to him.
Geronimo on February 6, 2008 at 10:43 AM
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