Mitt staying in — to keep McCain from clinching?
posted at 5:11 pm on February 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Ambinder and Geraghty hear that he’s pressing ahead and that tomorrow’s CPAC speech will be somehow “major.” Really? Major enough to make up a 500-delegate deficit? He can’t win — but neither can McCain, maybe. From the California thread, an e-mail from reader James P.:
All Mitt (and Huckabee) need to do to deny McCain enough delegates to win the nomination is win 547 of the remaining 963 delegates – roughly 57%. Which means it will go to the convention, where anything can happen. Given that around 66% of Republicans voted for someone other than McCain last night, it’s not out of the question, especially given most of the upcoming contests are awarded on a proportional basis and McCain won’t be taking primaries outright (like he did last night).
A prevent defense? Geraghty’s thinking about it too and speculates that the plan may be to make it to the convention and then squeeze McCain for concessions. But concessions about what? There’s no way Maverick’s putting him on the ticket and there’s no issue so central to Romney’s candidacy that he’d be willing to run on it for another 2-3 months with no hope of winning and who knows how many more millions down the sinkhole. Or is there? A scorched earth campaign to pull McCain to the right on immigration would buy him goodwill with the base for 2012 but it’d also alienate the party establishment he’ll need to woo next time by dragging out the nomination process. Plus, he’d have to do it in a way that made it look like he was running on principle instead of acting out of spite. Tancredo could pull that off since his passion for his signature issue is famous, but what’s Romney’s passion? Tussling with McCain? If he’s going to frame it as a “stop the RINO!” crusade, which perhaps is what he has in mind for CPAC, then he runs into the recurring problem of Huckabee running that same campaign against him, and pretty successfully too. And even if it worked and he forced a brokered convention, Maverick will be so close to having enough delegates to clinch that he’ll end up as the nominee anyway. The only question is whether Romney will have bought himself anything by dragging him around the country through the spring.
What’s to be gained by Mitt dropping out, you say? A lot, potentially. Right now Huckabee has leverage over McCain. Maverick may need his delegates at the convention, and even if he thinks he won’t, he needs the race to end as soon as possible, before he suffers any more credibility-destroying red-state losses. The longer it drags on, the more delegates Huck wins, the more likely he is as the VP choice. The way to destroy Huck’s leverage is for McCain to stay out there on the trail and pile up the 44% or so of remaining delegates that he needs to clinch, but as James’s e-mail notes, that’ll be tough to do in a three-man race. In a two-man race, with Mitt out of the picture, it’s easy — so much so that Huck may throw in the towel for fear of pissing off McCain and that same party establishment he’ll need for his own 2012 run. Once he’s out it’s a walkover for Maverick, he can pick the veep of his choice, and Huckabee gets a prominent role at the convention plus the gratitude of Republican bigshots various and sundry for being a good soldier. Exit question: Reason enough to hope Mitt drops out?
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Romney/Huckabee
pedestrian on February 6, 2008 at 5:15 PM
Let this be our 1976. Go Mitt for 2008, be the next generation’s Reagan.
ivybelle1 on February 6, 2008 at 5:15 PM
YESSS!!!
Brokered Convention Baby! (Thank you Huckster)
Ex-tex on February 6, 2008 at 5:18 PM
Well Allah, you sly dog you! I see you sharpened your stick! You got two so far.
Mitt is done. Huck is a gibot who, like Elmer Gantry, will sell his soul for a promise of power. McLiar is the nominee and the dems will win in November.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Three.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Rush and the other conservative pundits saying they would back Romney fueled the Huckaexplosion in the south.
If Mitts gone Huck is through as its the anti mormon thing driving Huck right now.
William Amos on February 6, 2008 at 5:19 PM
From what I can see, unless something major happens, we will have a liberal in the White House. Whether that be McCain, Clinton or Obama is still up in the air.
With that being said, what we need to start looking at a little stronger is geting good solid CONSERVATIVE senators and congressmen/women in office to damper/hinder the damage that can be done.
ArkCon on February 6, 2008 at 5:21 PM
I like Mitt. He’s been my choice ever since Fred dropped out, and he was my choice before Fred joined. But he’s not exactly a principled conservative the way Reagan was. If Mitt has converted, then good for him. I would welcome that and he should spend the next 2 years helping us elect more conservatives to Congress and the 2 years after that building himself for another presidential run if that’s the case. He could bring his speaking and writing skills to promoting the conservative philosophy. That’s what Reagan did for many, many years before 1980. But is that really what is driving him?
I believe him when he says that he is running so that we can hand a better America to our children and grandchildren. But what specifically is his driving passion, other than hate for McCain and Huckabee? He’ll have to show us, and maybe that is the “major” CPAC speech. I’d love to see him lay out the case for conservative economics and help keep populists and economic moderates from driving the party.
TX Mom on February 6, 2008 at 5:23 PM
No way do I want Mitt to drop out, I’d rather Huck drop out.
The logic isn’t convincing in this post. Romney is way more qualified and likable to win the election.
McCain’s ugliness has come out too many times. His temper alone could cause one to believe he’d make some ridiculous mistakes as President. He was a POW, that’s it. I have seen not one thing that qualifies him as Prsident. He is a dirty fighter too, which is obvious to those really watching.
I want Mitt, period.
Conservatives R Us on February 6, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Never
HYTEAndy on February 6, 2008 at 5:25 PM
I can’t believe there will be any combination of these guys on one ticket. Romney doesn’t need to be mccain’s vp. Also he seems like such a genuinely good man I have a hard time believing he would play second fiddle to a sleaze like mccain. On top of that, mccain will be such a disaster at president he will drag the vp down with him. mccain also has too big an ego to risk having someone stronger and more principled overshadowing him. mccain won’t pick huckster because mccain is too macho and actually is deluded that he is principled. He is using huckster right now but will jettison him because he is a weasel. If Romney miraculously pulls it out he is not going to pick one of these lowlifes, he will pick a young solid conservative to cement his conservative credentials. huckster will never be president. if somehow he comes out of the convention the nominee, the democrat will sweep by the biggest margin ever.
peacenprosperity on February 6, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Go all-in Mitt. Call Huck’s play. If McCain is using Huck as interference, drag this thing out as a 3-way. By staying in, the combined delegates between Mitt and Huck will deny McCain the necessary percentage of delegates. Strike it while it is hot.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Putting the kabosh on that economy destroying carbon tax that Johnny Mac and his buddy Joe Lieberman want to strap us with, for one.
Michigan is in Mitt’s DNA.
Buy Danish on February 6, 2008 at 5:25 PM
It doesn’t matter. McCain cannot do anything to counter the soon to be waged war against the flip he must do in order to get the conservative base. He will then tack back to the left for the general, thus completing the flop.
McFlipFlop. Not JUST for dems anymore.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM
I’m sorry, I don’t see Romney winning a brokered convention.
bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Anything to try and make McShamnesty electable. …
All to go down in flames in November. Why waste time trying to get McShamnesty elected when the party should be sending a message to him and the rest of Republicans…clean up your act or be booted into the wilderness.
Let both Huckabee and Mitt hang in there. Just goes to show how broken the party is and there is no amount of fake unity to fix it. Hard to be united when you agree on nothing (and using the WoT and Iraq as fake excuse to support McShamnesty isn’t when he is not concerned about the domestic side of the country doesn’t even make sense and is a losing cause). I can hear it now. Thank you military for putting your lives on the line… sorry their is no country to protect and defend…Ooops (but hey Mexico has some corn picking jobs for you).
TOPV on February 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM
McCain is the GOP’s best chance of winning. Obama is in the process of beating Hillary. Obama’s major weakness is Hispanic votes. McCain can bring Hispanic votes to the GOP column. For this reason, McCain can beat Obama in a two-way match. Neither Huckabee nor Romney can. McCain Second Look!
indythinker on February 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM
He HAS converted. Remember, he could have won re-election in MA easy had he just bowed to the Boston Globe editorial board on gays and stem cells. He did not.
Frankly, I hope he stays in, he is the only real fiscal and small gov’t conservative left. He needs to keep people honest. Frankly, I wish Fred and Guiliani had stayed too.
tlclark on February 6, 2008 at 5:28 PM
AP, why don’t you just come out of the political closet and be proud of what you are? A McCainiac!
Jim-Rose on February 6, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Romney did not run Bain as a beta male. You don’t make $250mil with passive aggressive behavior. Unlike McCain, the other alpha dog, Romney contains himself. Romney offers a steadiness and resolve for our country’s current issues. If he has the juice and the resolve, I say stay. I’m also being a little selfish, because I can’t vote for him until March.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 5:29 PM
How about because he loves America and thinks he is the best man for the job?
peacenprosperity on February 6, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Mitt staying in — to keep McCain from clinching?
Sore-loser-Romneyman..
He needs to Dropout at CPAC.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Just because.
No.
Why you ask?
There just no better use of his money, that’s why.
Mcguyver on February 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Delegates
John McCain………………………………….. = 680
Romney(270) + Huckabee(176) + Paul(16) = 462
McCain has more delegates than Romney, Huckabee and Ron Paul COMBINED!
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM
I would phrase is in a stronger, more pointed fashion: there is only ONE permanent outcome from any one of the top three front-runners reaching the White House, and that’s Shamnesty. It’s permanent because the resultant 40 million illegals will result in a permanent Democratic majority, among other things, and then nothing else will matter besides cataclismic events. All non-cataclismic paths at that point will lead to socialism.
The Conservative strategy HAS to be about countering Shamnesty for 4 years. Since I don’t believe that McCain can win, it has to involve building a congressional anti-Shamnesty coalition and whatever else can be thought of. Anything else is a game-ending outcome.
Igor R. on February 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Stop wasting our time and your money, Mitt. You have a great opportunity to not screw the pooch and the party by leaving and cutting Huck off at the pass, but continuing on will only serve to decimate any goodwill that anyone in the party not named “Rush” or “Sean” had for you.
Vizzini on February 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Also…
If Mitt drops out…countdown to McCain stabbing Huck in the back in 5, 4, 3…
tlclark on February 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Stopping the man who knows horse cr@p about the economy?
amerpundit on February 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Absolutely not. Whatever Mitt does, his family will be central to it. He will not compromise his standards like that bigot HuckAGantry has (if he even had principles to begin with).
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM
And owe them and get his amnesty bill to his desk for signing within a month.
peacenprosperity on February 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM
I seriously doubt that. Prior to those endorsements they had a mock election at my kids ex-urban Georgia school and the results were:
Huck won, McCain 2nd, Mitt 3rd. I should have taken that to InTrade.
That too.
Buy Danish on February 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM
By staying in, Romney may force Maverick into giving Huckabee the VP slot. He’ll be doing the party a disservice. Lots of people on our side are saying they’ll never vote for McCain, but I think most of us will calm down by 11/4, as long as McCain chooses a solid running mate.
Of course, Maverick may already have decided on Huckabee, but I doubt it. Is McCain that stupid?
infidel65 on February 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM
That’s hardly a defining passion for him- it was a pander to help win early state Michigan.
Hollowpoint on February 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
It’s has been worth Mitt’s money just for that.
Mcguyver on February 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM
And I disagree that hatred for McCain or Huckabee is a driving force for Mitt. It’s the other way around on that. He has always been respectful of them, and has never made it personal. They are the ones making up accusations.
He’s not Reagan, but I’m saying he could be the next Republican who brings us back prosperity and peace.
ivybelle1 on February 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Romney can get his message effectively across in the convention. The media has no time nor stomach (nor intelligence for that matter) for his message. Huck and McCain grab all the nice sound bites and attacks. Romney can drive his points home through the convention where it will get more exposure.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 5:32 PM
I like Allah’s logic here – there could be a silver lining for both Romney and Mac supporters. The ’stop the Rino’ crusade which scuppered Fred and Rudy and has holed Huck and Mac has brought nothing but division and poison to the GOP race.
Romney/Huckabee is not only impossible given their personal antipathy but a sure loser by excluding the candidate who has won more than both their delegates combined from GOP voters. McCain has to be on the ticket to cater for the Rudy/Mac supporters and independents, and deserves to be having collected more than 40% of GOP support so far.
Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Yep. Just look at all the pro-amnesty posts I’ve written on HA.
I take it back, Jim. Mitt should hang in there. A McCain/Huckabee ticket will be sweet.
Allahpundit on February 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM
Mitt got his ass whiped by McCain he cant win and the sooner we accept that the better.
William Amos on February 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM
If Mitt wants to stay in he should stay in. If Suckabee can do it why not him? I am sick of people saying who should get out of the race and the Republican establishment can go eat shit.
Maybe there will be some buyers remorse and some of the delegates will switch sides, the pundits and intelligentsia have been wrong on almost everything so far, why should we let those assholes set the agenda. If I see morons like Fred Barnes, Bill Kristol and Dick Morris drone on about Mitt getting out I think I will puke. Their batting average sucks and they should be ignored.
Some things transcend politics, and unlike some of you I believe that Mitt is a true believer who understands the harm that McCain would do to this party and the country. The fact that he spends his own money if anything reinforces that. There is no reason at all it should be easy for McCain and his ilk to hijack the party without a fight.
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM
So you are a republican first and foremost then? That’s great, vote for anyone as long as they have an R behind thier name.
Vote for David Duke, did ya?
peacenprosperity on February 6, 2008 at 5:34 PM
I hope so, and that’s my sense of him as well. That’s why he got my vote. It’s time for him to act like Reagan in 1976, then. I hope is CPAC speech is indeed “major”.
TX Mom on February 6, 2008 at 5:34 PM
I’m not going to accuse you of being a “McCaniac”, but isn’t it entirely possible we end up with that anyway? Huck carries the South and a couple of conservatives.
amerpundit on February 6, 2008 at 5:35 PM
I wonder what stage Mitt backers are in now looks like denial.
William Amos on February 6, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Who cares what a bunch of cheap whores think? McShamnesty, HuckaGibot, and the rest are going to fail in their bid to destroy conservatism. They’re certainly destroying the GOP, but that isn’t the end all of conservatism.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM
“… he (McCain) needs the race to end as soon as possible, before he suffers …”
What, a heart attack? I’d never wish that on anybody (’cept maybe Kim Jong-il) but Mac’s an old guy, all this runnin’ around is gotta be wearin’ him out. The Voters will consider his age in Nov., and maybe enough will vote Dem because of it. On the up side, I don’t see him running for re-election in 2012. Pehaps he’ll do us a favor and pick a hard core right winger for VP. But until then, GO MITT!
Tony737 on February 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Ok, I have a stupid question. (Please be gentle)
If (when) McCain has his Dean Scream moment, after winning the delegate count, but before the convention, what happens?
I think the convention is in September. Can McCain last until then before his meltdown?
His temper is legendary as is his choice of vocabulary, and we all know how WELL he takes criticism. Can he last til September?
This is an honest question.
I truly don’t know.
Janna on February 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Romney will not compromise his principles, ethics and morality to be second banana to someone like mccain. Mitt will go back to the private sector, make up some of the money he has spent in the campaign, speak out on the issues and wait to clean up the mess that the incoming liberal president is about to cause.
peacenprosperity on February 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Baloney. Mitt has been complaining about the carbon tax all along, and he is absolutely right on this issue while (shocka!) McCain is dead wrong.
More driving passions:
Keeping GITMO open, trashing McCain-Feingold, negotiating fair free trade treaties, taming the Asian Tiger…
Buy Danish on February 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Got your back, homegirl.
Ali-Bubba on February 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM
I think Mitt will have more impact at CPAC as someone who is IN the race as opposed to someone who has just dropped out because RINO’s told him to quit.
Your point about Reagan is an excellent one, he fought Ford until the end and it was obvious he was right to do it. McCain is going to lose anyway so why should we be in a rush to hand over the party to him? To do that is to reinforce his asinine agenda and allow him to claim he has a mandate he does not have.
LET IT GO TO THE CONVENTION, the country needs to know that Conservatism is still alive if not well.
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Well how will Conservatism survive the Amnesty? After that, Conservatives will be outvoted for at least fifty years. Will they all move to Montana and start a commune or something?
Igor R. on February 6, 2008 at 5:38 PM
They are mapping out a farfetched possibility premised on conservative fears continuing to fester against Mr. McCain, which they hope fuels a series of wins for Mr. Romney and then perhaps get him to a point where he has enough momentum to wrest some of those promised but not officially bound delegates into his column at a contested convention.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/06/romney-prepared-to-keep-on-going/
bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Shortly after the convention the msm will start asking mccain the “do you still beat your wife” questions. It will only be a short time before he starts flipping out.
peacenprosperity on February 6, 2008 at 5:39 PM
I think Mitt will have more impact at CPAC as someone who is IN the race as opposed to someone who has just dropped out because RINO’s told him to quit.
Your point about Reagan is an excellent one, he fought Ford until the end and it was obvious he was right to do it. McCain is going to lose anyway so why should we be in a rush to hand over the party to him? To do that is to reinforce his asinine agenda and allow him to claim he has a mandate he does not have!
LET IT GO TO THE CONVENTION, the country needs to know that Conservatism is still alive if not well.
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 5:39 PM
All in good fun my friend.
Jim-Rose on February 6, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Romney should cut his losses and get out. The math is against him, as is the momentum. Staying in may be gratifying from a ‘put the screw to the Maverick’ way, but that seems a weak rationale for what is likely to be a failed bid with bad consequences (McCain/Huckabee).
Slublog on February 6, 2008 at 5:39 PM
At this point no one will contribute to Romney, as he is almost a sure loser, so if he continues and wants to have any material impact he will have to self-fund. Why waste millions upon millions of dollars toward that end? If Mitt is foolish enough to throw that much good money after bad one has to question his judgment. And being responsible for a Huck VP selection will not endear him to many conservatives.
phronesis on February 6, 2008 at 5:40 PM
Four about a couple more years?
Igor R. on February 6, 2008 at 5:40 PM
And no, I’m not a McCain supporter.
Slublog on February 6, 2008 at 5:40 PM
Beacause that’s not a conservative policy. That is a mccain policy and he is a liberal.
peacenprosperity on February 6, 2008 at 5:40 PM
If we are destined for a McCain nominee, we could lose everything from the White House all the way down to the local city council. This is because conservative folks are tired of being used by the Republican Party establishment and may stay home in November.
acer31 on February 6, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Who hasn’t? The debate now is the future of the GOP. McLiar’s defeat in November is a foregone conclusion. We are going to work on getting conservatives back in congress.
A dem presidency will be moderate in the first term, it’s the second term where they start pushing their crazy liberalism.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Look Nixon was the biggest drag down of the party in its history and within 7 years of Nixon we gotr Ronald Reagan.
If conservatives are hell bent on fracturing the party it only STRENGTHENS the moderates. The moderates abandoned Goldwater in 1964 and the conservatives never forgave them for that.
give the moderates their candidate and let him govern weakly and we can say “see what backing moderates gets you”. rather than having the moderates scream “Those dirty conservatives abandoned us and they are the reason ths country is screwed up.
William Amos on February 6, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Hey Romney is going to be near Baltimore tomorrow night. Maybe I’ll get to see him.
resqgal on February 6, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Wake me up when the Indiana primary is here.
AbaddonsReign on February 6, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Exactly. Why not go down fighting for a good cause?
Jim-Rose on February 6, 2008 at 5:43 PM
I’m talking about a relevant political movement, not a philosophy that has not chance of winning elections. With 40 million newly minted destitute citizens who will vote 95% Democratic, what chance does Conservatism have?
Igor R. on February 6, 2008 at 5:43 PM
amerpundit on February 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM
and
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM
I agree with both sentiments. I think that our economic system is worth protecting. The direction that the progressives in both parties are tacking towards is socialism. Huck and JMac speak in the code. Hillary and Obama are just more open about it. Do you think a broken establishment likes hearing it is broken? When an outsider with a proven track record throws his own jack to do the fixing, why isn’t it gaining more traction? It’s easy to see the animus from both parties towards him. For the MSM’s part, Bain would be the new Halliburton. Our favorite publisher of the NYT loves our country’s economic decline.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 5:43 PM
I am hoping a CPAC that somebody, somewhere, smack the smug of McCrankypants face. He needs to know (but his ego would never allow it) that he is NOT our choice, at least not mine.
Let’s duke it out at the convention.
CrimsonFisted on February 6, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Conservatism isn’t a political party. It’s an ideal. Only we can destroy that ideal in ourselves. McLiar never embraced it and that is why conservatives despise him.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Why is it that so many people believe that history has ended and nothing will ever change? The republican party has been around for a long time but why does that mean it has to be around for ever? I hope one of the biggest discussions a cpac is whether it is time for conservatives to jettison the fatally damage gop and start something new. Maybe that will be Mitt’s message.
peacenprosperity on February 6, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Good point. As Rush noted today, all his big wins were primary states which the Dems will win.
He also noted (as the result of a dittohead’s call) that no matter what we do we need to support our Senators and guys in the House so they can put the brakes on.
Buy Danish on February 6, 2008 at 5:45 PM
I think that once the illegals become legal, the ratio will swing back to a less one sided proportion.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 5:46 PM
So when president mccain makes all the illegal aliens citizens I should just bend over, grab my ankles and become a leftist?
Heil, mccain!
peacenprosperity on February 6, 2008 at 5:47 PM
The idea that party activists will choose a more “satisfactory” nominee than McCain at a brokered convention has a lot of people around here excited, but I can’t think of anything that would do more damage to the Republican party’s credibility, especially if McCain rolls into the convention with a big delegate lead. If that happens, expect a major portion of your precious Reagan coalition (moderates) to walk away and stay away for a generation.
Big S on February 6, 2008 at 5:49 PM
That’s optimism for ya!
Buy Danish on February 6, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Well it’s all fine and dandy, but when the IRS wants 95% of your money, the military is decimated, and you can’t recognize your country it’s just not the same as having Ronald Reagan as President and the country strong.
Igor R. on February 6, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Has the courting of conservatives for McCain begun? “I do hope that at some point we would just calm down a little bit and see if there’s areas we can agree on.”
bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 5:49 PM
I wonder what would happen if McCain had a heart attack or any other medical malady (aneurysm from yelling)during the next few weeks or even up to the election? He is an old man. Can we elect a dead president like MO (memory) elected a dead governor during the 2000 or 2004 election?
PrettyD_Vicious on February 6, 2008 at 5:51 PM
I’m not saying that. Recognizing the problem early and accepting it as true no matter how unpleasant leads to better results than the alternative. For instance, recognizing that Fred can’t win in, say, early October by more people (including me) could’ve led to a different outcome than what we have today. What launched McCain into the stratosphere was just 2% of Florida Republicans voting for him instead of Romney.
Igor R. on February 6, 2008 at 5:53 PM
But he can’t win.
And say what you will about Mitt, but fiscal, small government conservative he definitely ain’t- not when he supports the expensive Medicare Reform Act, No Child Left Behind, ag subsidies, financial aid to the auto industry, increased spending on reducing CO2, increased foriegn aid… these aren’t the policies of a small government conservative. That’s one of the few areas that McCain is stronger than Mitt on- Romney actually attaced McCain for opposing the Medicare Reform Act.
Hollowpoint on February 6, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Not necessarily. McCain would have a shot at some of those states.
bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Big S on February 6, 2008 at 5:49 PM
These moderates and independents are swinging away from the ideal. Why is it that conservatives have to accept flawed premises like wealth re-distribution, global warming, and illegal immigration? What is right is right, no matter how many delegates wish it otherwise. Bending principles for expediency is un-conservative behavior. This is how we get a watered down party that will morph into the bastard stepchild of the Democratic Party.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Why exactly should the 2nd place opponent quit before the 3rd place opponent gives up?
David in ATL on February 6, 2008 at 5:55 PM
You’re just practicing a form of denial. What you’re describing is just as likely as some nuts exploding a nuclear device in NYC in the meantime or whatever.
Igor R. on February 6, 2008 at 5:55 PM
I’m not entirely convinced a McCain presidency means amnesty necessarily. I mean, what makes having him for President any different from the eight years of pro-amnesty Bush? And as far as I can tell, we don’t exactly have amnesty as law even after all these years, due in large part to conservatives standing in the way. Does anyone believe that McCain would do any better at moving conservatives over to his liberal position than Dubya? As long as the a significant conservative contingent in Congress stands tough on the issue, I even have doubts a Clinton presidency can amnesty passed.
NorthernCross on February 6, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Nope. Time to double down.
Ali-Bubba on February 6, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Igor R. on February 6, 2008 at 5:55 PM
I agree. We must debate on rational, not personal issues. McCain’s flawed tendencies are where the meat is. There is no need for any ill-will.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Dittos to that.
I know it’s not cool to say ‘dittos’ around here, since this is a RINO echo chamber. /sarc
Even if Huck in the end throws his delegates to McCain, the delegates are not ultimately obligated.
I would argue that the Huckabee supporters would in the final analysis despise having their vote go to McCain!!
Rush had a good analysis of the evangelical vote today.
Basically, that Huck is “one of them” and they trust him to do what the government hasn’t done for them, ie: all the issues that are important to evangelicals specifically.
But as Rush pointed out, Huckabee is trashing their trust of him by not attacking McCain on those same issues.
Just remember McCain/Feingold has already made it hard for Focus On The Family to campaign for social issues.
When push comes to shove, the evangelicals would sooner support Romney than McCain because of this, as evidenced by the southern vote last night.
Mcguyver on February 6, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Yes, I know, would have better odds that some nuts would explode the nuclear device.
PrettyD_Vicious on February 6, 2008 at 5:59 PM
The Rush Effect
In that hotly-contested fight for my wife’s home state, Missouri, Sen. John McCain eked out a victory over former Ark. Gov. Mike Huckabee and that former Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney, with my mother-in-law and father-in-law split on their preferences in that key GOP primary.
And with a hat tip to Jonathan Martin, please note how amazing the Show-Me State’s election graphics are…
And that Romney, who came in third there, lost every county south of Jefferson City except for Cape Girardeau County — the home town of Rush Limbaugh.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/the-rush-effect.html
bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 5:59 PM
So. He doesn’t have 1,191 yet.
BacaDog on February 6, 2008 at 5:59 PM
NorthernCross on February 6, 2008 at 5:56 PM
The more I see GWB’s people stream to McCain, the more I worry about McCain’s nomination. I thought Peggy was nuts when she stated that GWB punked the party. She’s sounding saner and saner every minute.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 6:00 PM
A Clinton presidency arguably has LESS of a chance to have Amnesty passed because the remaining Republicans (not all conservatives) will rally against her easier than against a highly energetic pro-Amnesty Republican President during his “honeymoon”. But to put it in perspective, just go back and look at what happened in the early summer and how close the Amnesty was to passing. Now imagine a slightly smaller Republican minority in the Senate and Juan Hernandez leading the charge. And NOW imagine what could happen in the Senate in the next 4/8/12 years. Will there always be enough Conservatives to oppose it?
Igor R. on February 6, 2008 at 6:03 PM
What can McCain promise that will persuade conservatives to support him? And would you believe him when he does promise anything?
After McCain is elected what can conservatives do to hold McCain to his promise(s)?
Voter turn out was 2 to 1 Democrat to Republican, especially in the big states.
McCain voters will be buried by democrat voters in November.
Game the election/convention all you want, we’re still dead. We died in November 2006.
rockhauler on February 6, 2008 at 6:03 PM
mccain will see his election as support for his policies. That bill was going to fly through until talk radio and the blogosphere got wind of it. It was going to pass with support of most of the republicans. The threat of being cut off from the money and votes of thier constituents got those republicans to change thier votes. The dems will have a majority and mccain will have his guys like lindsey grahm twisting the arms of any republicans who get out of line. feingold, kennedy, schumer and lieberman will be regular visitors to the White House and conservatives will not. He needs conservatives now but will throw them under the bus as soon as he grabs the brass ring.
peacenprosperity on February 6, 2008 at 6:03 PM
That is as close to denial as I get. :-)
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 6:04 PM
Mitt might as well stay in. The press can’t get any worse for him.
I mean he is a devil worshipping, draft dodging, war hero hating, money grubbing, plastic, fake, Johnny come lately who is trying to buy the White House.
Go Mitt Go!
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 6:04 PM
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