McCain to get 95% of California’s delegates? Update: McCain all but clinches mathematically? Update: Brokered convention?
posted at 11:50 am on February 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I nodded at this in the Scarborough post but it’s a big enough deal to warrant its own thread. 42-34 is the (almost) final tally from Cali this morning. The 173 delegates are awarded proportionally, which means roughly 70 for Maverick and 60 for Mitt, right? Wrong. Proportionality in this case means winner-take-all by district, so those delegate estimates work only if McCain and Romney take 42% and 34% of the state’s districts. They’re 53 separate little primaries; the statewide popular vote is largely meaningless.
So how’d they do by district? If you saw the earlier thread, you already know. We’re looking at a delegate breakdown closer to 160-10, which qualifies as, shall we say, an objectively bad day for Mitt Romney, even among serious analysts whose pundit fu is, of course, to be trusted. It has, at last, come to this.
Update: CNN puts Maverick at 615 delegates but with only 56 in his column thus far from California. Team McCain says the real number is closer to 775. Which means…
Speaking with reporters today, McCain adviser Charlie Black said, “To date, we have 775 delegates, Romney has 284, Huckabee has 205. It takes 1,191 to clinch the nomination. There are 963 left to be chosen, so Romney or Huckabee would have to have all of them — all of them — to get to 1,191. Now you can’t do that because a majority of those 963 are chosen in proportional primaries, which means you’d have to get 100% if the vote to get them all.
Update: What’s the likelihood of Mitt blowing McCain out in the remaining states?
[N]early half the coming reaces are open contests — those that allow Democrats and independents in which McCain has fared well. “To make things worse for Mitt, the open contests are in larger states (Ohio, Texas, Indiana).
Update: CPAC may be Romney’s last hurrah.
Update: Reader James P. turns Charlie Black’s logic around in an e-mail:
All Mitt (and Huckabee) need to do to deny McCain enough delegates to win the nomination is win 547 of the remaining 963 delegates – roughly 57%. Which means it will go to the convention, where anything can happen. Given that around 66% of Republicans voted for someone other than McCain last night, it’s not out of the question, especially given most of the upcoming contests are awarded on a proportional basis and McCain won’t be taking primaries outright (like he did last night).
All that does is lock up the VP nomination for Huckabee, though, doesn’t it? Maverick goes to the convention with, say, 1,000 delegates needing 191 more to win. He pulls Huck aside, the deal is done, and he gets the Huck faction in return for promising him the bottom of the ticket.
Update: Noam Askew tries to game out a brokered convention. Not all delegates are bound to the candidate they’re pledged to, he reminds us, a fact very much in Romney’s mind right now.
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Dude, get this through your bigoted skull: I am not a Romney supporter.
But you are certainly a bigot. I’ve quoted your anti-Mormon rhetoric dozens of times. You and Harald left quite a trail of poop on HotAir threads. csdeven picked up on the scent, too.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 4:43 PM
I am taking a wild guess that you are supporting Mitt Romney. You whine just like him.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Oh. Thanks. Probably better that you don’t. I would have constantly plyed you with questions.
I LOVE Israel.
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Huckabee is being used my McCain and when he gets bent over a table by McCain and then tossed out on his ass, where will you still be shilling for someone who can’t win anything but the south?This is how it will play out. Mitt is done, the best man lost. Huck is a jucket who can’t win anything but the south. McCain is in and we are ALL going to wish he didn’t if he’s the President. He might beat Hillary if the MSM doesn’t tear him apart first. If he goes against Obama, Obama wins. In any 3 cases, IMHO, we’ve all screwed the pooch.
Geronimo on February 6, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Oh, I’m paying attention alright. You wanna debate issues? I’m in. But if you think I’m oing to sit here and entertain your Huck-hating neurosis, you are mistaken.
New word for today – hypocrite.
What he lacks in intelligence he makes up for in ignorance.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 4:47 PM
apacalyps, if I may, just a bit of advice; please take it down a notch. you don’t have to answer every criticism. I like that you keep things active in here, but you’re too ramped up sometimes.
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Which are? List them.
I want examples.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 4:48 PM
You are more than welcome to leave.(PLEASE)
Aggie85 on February 6, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Thanks Tommy, you’re a class act.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 4:49 PM
I do too.
“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: They shall prosper that love thee.” Psalm 122:6
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 4:50 PM
I’m not going to go trawling through old HotAir threads to prove something both csdeven and I know to be true. You’ve made dozens of anti-Mormon comments — and the most humorous part is that you don’t deny you have made them. You simply ask us to go searching for them. Too funny.
We’ve soon your true colors, apacalyps, and they ain’t very pleasing.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Yes, sir.
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 4:52 PM
To deny, that it is a factor, like most seem to do here is staring into the darkness..
It is a Fact, some people just will not vote for a Mormon, not matter how rich, how good looking or how pretty his hair is..
It’s just a fact of life.
Does it suck, yes..
Is it all based on Anti-Mormon votes? Absolutely NOT!
Romney has has a total political transformation just for this election, to me that make him dishonest to the core.
He was my #2 behind Rudy a year ago, until he started the “i’m was a lifelong hunter”, then by BS meter started to go off on him..
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Who then?
I want examples and i’m waiting. Truthfully, my impression is that both you and cdseven have EDS (Evangelical Derangement Syndrome)
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM
She is a thoughtful, intelligent poster who has been around here a lot longer than you, and she seems to care a lot about our country. You, on the other hand, are just a self centered shill for a Jimmy Swaggart stereotype.
a capella on February 6, 2008 at 4:58 PM
ROFL! Please stop! you’re killing me.
Rudy has always been about defending and protecting illegal aliens.
Rudy also has a long history of lying about his record. Is that the best you can do is link to his own website?
I’m really not sure if there’s a bigger dufus on HotAir than yourself.
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Here is how McLiarLiarPantsOnFire thinks this will play out. He has been poking conservatives in the eye for years while chumming up with his dem buddies. Since he started to run for president he has begun the conservative rhetoric. At CPAC he will solidify his commitment to conservative principles. Then in the general, he will run back to the left.
All fine and good right?
Here is what the Dems and the MSM will say…..
McCain is for moderation.
Then McCain became a conservative.
flip
Then in the general he became a populist.
flop.
McFlipFlop. McKeating5. McMomsaBigot. McWifeStealsDrugs. McShamnesty. McAmericasPOW. McProAlitobeforeHewasAgainstAlito. McOneTrickPony.
McCain, the latest flip-flopper.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 5:00 PM
I don’t buy that at all, but tell me something, why are you IGNORING the big story here? Are you unable to figure out that Republican talk radio, Fox news, etc, literally forced McCain and Romney onto us as the only candidates that we have to choose from? Same with the MSM Didn’t you miss the MSNBC and CNN GOP debates where they ignored Huckabee. Super Tuesday exposed them.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 5:01 PM
By no means am I suggesting that all the anti-Romney folks are being fueled by the anti-Mormon bigotry displayed by Huckabee and his minions (Harald, popularpolitics, apacalyps, etc…). But the anti-Mormon bigotry is, to me, unacceptable and anti-American. And I’m not even a Mormon! But they are good people with a wholesome culture who I have a great deal of respect for, even if I think their religious beliefs are a bit out there.
I’ll be writing in for Fred!, unless he breaks my heart by joining the McCain ticket. Sure, he wont win — but I’ll be sticking to my guns. That’s more important to me than anything: a commitment to conservative principles.
Don’t hold your breath, bigot.
Such simplicity. Makes sense coming from a simpleton. I have nothing against Evangelicals, at least as long as they keep their religion separate from their politics. The problem I have with you, Huckabee and the rest of his minions is that you shroud yourself in the mantle of Christianity and wear it like a badge of honor.
You insult Mormons and claim they aren’t true Christians — despite the fact that you have no right to determine who is and isn’t a follower of Jesus Christ — and you say I have some sort of derangement syndrome? Too funny.
Go away, Huckabot. You’re useless.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 5:03 PM
You might want to look up the definition of “majority.”
Which is the “majority?”
40% or 33%?
Huckabee had 15% So what your little process did was allow a man with 15% of the vote to defeat a man with 40%.
You know? The will of the people and all that nonsense.
The “rules” allow candidates to pool their support AFTER the initial outcome, and that is the corruptness in the process. If candidates wish to “pool their support” BEFORE the initial vote, that’s all good. But allowing the results to be erased and the election to be repeated in order to get a different outcome should be criminal.
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 5:08 PM
The Federal Government has Never Done what Rudy wanted to do, deport the illegals, secure the borders.
Rudy was Stuck with Thousands of Illegals, he had to figure out what to do with them.
Obviously what he did was correct, Crime dropped dramatically, welfare decreased, despite the Federal Governments negligence at the borders.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Yes, you are right. Thank you for the constructive criticism Skidd. Feel free to give advice to me anytime.
The threads that I am involved in usually end drawing the most crowds. That’s because people know I try to speak truth. I don’t spin. Lot’s of scoffers in this forum. I attract them like a magnet.
Thanks, Skidd.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 5:12 PM
I will and here is where it started.
Here is some more of his complete intolerance for other beliefs.
apacalyps, you are a religious gibot. I’ve given you the definition many times and I’ll do it again.
Bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
That’s you dude.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 5:12 PM
Delegates
John McCain………………………………….. = 680
Romney(270) + Huckabee(176) + Paul(16) = 462
McCain has more delegates than Romney, Huckabee and Ron Paul COMBINED!
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Right. It’s everyone else’s fault. More evidence that you’re a liberal hack troll.
Good luck on that Rudy nomination. It’s coming along wonderfully.
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM
You have used the word bigot hundreds of times in this forum. You don’t have to go through the Hotair archives. If you’re so sure about your claim then this should be easy for you to prove it.
I haven’t asked you to go searching for comments I’ve made. I’ve done no such thing. I am simply challenging your assertion that I am a bigot by asking you to provide an example. If you can’t provide any examples then shut your mouth.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Well you can defend Clinton for NOT deporting the Criminal Illegal Aliens that were sent to him all you want to!
Facts are the facts.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM
I’m not going to attack you or your opinions. I’m just going to ask politely.Please stop posting the same thing over and over again. It is very annoying.
modin5540 on February 6, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Brokered Convention = Every year, someone trots this out. It NEVER happens. It is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! A brokered convention is something that a lot of pundits and news people would LOVE to see happen, so that’s why they talk about it as if it’s going to happen.
asc85 on February 6, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Here is the way back machine showing Rudy complaining about the Fed’s handling of immigration in 1995.
tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM
I’m writing in Fred in November as practice for 2012.
http://hotair.com/headlines/?p=6822
AZCON on February 6, 2008 at 5:38 PM
a capella, one thing I’ve noticed here is that if you don’t support Romney and but Huckabee, you’re a shill or even worse. Has she ever denounced those people who have been going after Huck with torches and pitchforks? I don’t know? I haven’t seen it.
You have to think of it from our perspective. Huckabee has not only had to defend against political rivals, but also the main stream media, talk radio, the blogosphere, including the GOP establishment. Think about that for a moment.
I care about America as much as anybody else here and have been reading Hotair from since it began. I have not posted, but I visited this site just as long as most people have.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 5:39 PM
csdeven did it for me.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 5:39 PM
He won’t stop. He’s a troll. It’s his job. Tommylotto, bnelson, and Chakra Hammer are trolls who do nothing all day but post pre-formatted comments over and over into blogs either supporting their own candidate, or ripping all others. They will not ever answer your questions honestly and they will always manipulate the truth or post completely fabricated nonsense.
It’s who they are.
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 5:40 PM
It’s the old shoe factor or as we will probably be saying in another ten years, if Juan becomes el Presidente, factor de zapatos viejos.
MB4 on February 6, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Pot calling the kettle black. Funny how unless you are a Romney supporter you must be a troll, even when wading through the same lies, garbage, and insults against ‘rinos’ Huck/Rudy/Mac and dubious McCainez name-calling post after post. Chakra and bnelson may be repetitive, but they haven’t been sitting here blasting every other candidate and supporter as a rino and liberal ‘crack-smoking’ republican. Having sat here and replied to these issues with hard facts, only to find them repeated and repeated ad nauseum it does become wearing.
Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 5:50 PM
This is a prime example that you are way over your head in this debate. You’ve used this before to somehow prove that I am a bigot. I mean, if this is your example then you need to just throw in the towel. You simply do not understand the differences between Christianity and Mormonism and it’s really laughable you go around calling people bigots who do.
Leave me alone stalker.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Mitt Romney is standing in the way. By staying in the race he is taking votes away from Huckabee who everyday people have a connection with, Myth is helping the media elect liberal John McCain.
Huckabee: “Mitt, go back to Boston”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mYkZXa8rN4
Thanks, Mike.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 5:53 PM
Gibot.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Why do I keep watching this train wreck over and over?
I think I’m going to be ill…..
mksmithwriter on February 6, 2008 at 5:57 PM
I stand by everything you posted. I swear you have got to be a teenager. Why do you keep dragging me into this? You don’t understand the issues so how can we debate?
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Just where does Mitt take votes from HuckaGibot? Mitt is much stronger in other states and does fairly well in the south. HuckaGibot is only strong in the south and is weak in most other contests (normal folks don’t like Huck and his bigoted ways).
HuckaGibot is playing the spoiler because he has been promised that which all evangelical gibots want. Power.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 6:01 PM
I know you do and that is why you will always be called that which you are. A disgusting vile bigot.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 6:02 PM
apacalyps… Why do you support Huckabee? In other words make your argument for why he should get my vote.
modin5540 on February 6, 2008 at 6:04 PM
Republican talk radio and the pundits tried to tell us that Mitt was the conservative choice to McCain. So did Romney himself, comparing himself to Reagan (NOT!) ad nauseum. But, he’s NOT the conservative alternative to McCain and Super Tuesday proved that to us. True conservatism is found in the South states, not in places like New York or California, although there are real conservatives in those places, but TRUE conservatism is found deep in the South. Romney lost miserably in these places while Huckabee won overwhelmingly. It is YOU who fails to accept this. WAKE UP!
The longer romney stays in the race the more media attention he’s going to take off Huckabee thus not allow the rest of the nation to realize Huckabee is the better candidate. Romney supporters need to get behind Mike now. To become President, a Republican must be able to win in the South and romney can’t do it! He’s the spoiler now.
There you go again with your favorite word, bigot. Sorry I can’t think of an insult stupid enough for you.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 6:15 PM
It shows how truly stupid you are. There’s absolutely nothing in my history that indicates that I’m a “Romney supporter.”
And your suggestion that our three famous trolls are posting “facts” and not attacking the other candidates is simply too nauseating to even respond to. Almost all of the accusations they throw at other candidates are things their own candidate is also guilty of themselves.
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 6:17 PM
We could have a battle of wits but he’s unarmed.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 6:21 PM
For engaging in a theological debate? The only thing you’ve sourced from apacalyps so far has been his mentioning the Jesus and Satan brothers debate, something which rests on a theological subtlety.
Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Ah, the speciality of the ‘vote Romney or the GOP is doomed’ brigade. Perhaps they don’t like being taken for a ride.
Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 6:25 PM
You have no right to determine who is or isn’t a Christian. None whatsoever. Mormons believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. That makes them Christian. It’s as simple as that. Just because they have their own holy scripture doesn’t make them any less of a Christian than you.
Bigot.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Mormons consider themselves to be Christians.
Who are you to say that they are not, Christ’s anointed spokesperson or what?
Do you have some kind of certificate or something?
MB4 on February 6, 2008 at 6:31 PM
Brokered Republican convention with race riots at the democrat convention! WHAT.A.SUMMER!
SouthernGent on February 6, 2008 at 6:34 PM
Yes, the Huckster connects with “everyday” folks except for those that don’t fit his particular brand of Christianity. Sure, apacalyps cares about America as long as those religious minority “non-Christians” sit down, shut up, and do what they’re told. I love how people like apacalyps expect LDS conservatives to support the Republican nominees, but how dare we try to run one of own. The audacity of those Mormons thinking that they are equal to the true “God-fearing” folks! /sarc
But apacalyps is probably an equal opportunity hater. If AP was running, he’d probably post all sorts of crap about the evils of atheism. Way to love they neighbor!
Anyway, I think I could support McCain IF he ran with a solid conservative VP. My dream VPs include Haley Barbour, Michael Steele, and Mitt Romney.
drflykilla on February 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM
You are at a distinct disadvantage then, as you are clearly unarmed, unleged and unhinged.
MB4 on February 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Hebrews 9:7
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood , which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: KJV
Hebrews 9:12
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. KJV
A Christian has to believe that the blood atonement of Jesus is payment of sins.
And–
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one KJV
Jesus was telling the Jews that He was God. How do we know?–
John 10:31
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. KJV
–Because to the Jews, that was blasphamy. So they were going to kill Him.
Christians have to believe that Jesus is God in flesh.Mormans don’t believe either of those statements. They don’t believe in blood atonement, nor do they believe in the deity of Christ.
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 6:39 PM
He and Harald already have done that.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 6:40 PM
You sound as bad as the Sunnis and Shiites arguing over which are true Muslims.
Good God.
MB4 on February 6, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Uhhh, are you sure about that? Specifically, read 1, 3, 4. BTW, if you’re going to be defamatory, at least get the spelling right (Mormons).
SkinnerVic on February 6, 2008 at 6:46 PM
No, they really don’t. That’s just your personal opinion. You, nor your church, is the arbiter of who is and isn’t a Christian.
Again, you don’t get to decide who is an isn’t a Christian. They believe Jesus Christ is the son of G-d. That seems pretty darn Christian to me. And the fact that their name is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” seems to support that they are, in fact, a Christian denomination.
But don’t let facts get in the way or anything.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Absolutely laughable. You speak for God himself. Such arrogance.
You quote verses from the Bible and then take it upon yourself to claim that these verses somehow DEFINE Christianity. They don’t, except for your own personal definition.
Please show me in Jesus’ or God’s own words … what defines a Christian. You will not find it.
But don’t let us stop you from speaking for Him. For you and Huckabee’s angels are blessed above the rest of us. Right?
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Does this mean that the Jehovah’s Witnesses are not Christian? Or that the Christian Scientists are? And what about the Bah’ais who believe Christ was one of the incarnations of the Deity?
Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 6:54 PM
It’s pretty straight forward in the Bible what a Christian is. It’s whether you believe the Bible which makes all the difference.
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 6:56 PM
LOL! Really? Pretty straight forward? Please find the word Christian in the Bible, along with some sort of definition.
You know? Since it’s so “straight forward” and all.
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 6:58 PM
I like Mike. He’s got real results in his record of having been a Governor for more than twice as long as Romney. His schools went from #49 to #8. His state went from having a $200 Million deficit to having an $850 Million surplus. Countless social statistics went strongly in the right direction under his leadership, such as a huge drop in unwed, teenage, pregnancies. He also provided leadership to all of the Governors of all 50 states and 5 US Territories as the Chair of the National Governor’s Association. He had a democratic majority working against him for 10 years. He did a great job. In fact, he got the job done. I am tired of phonies in office. It is time for a real person. I could hear the uncertainty in the media’s voice on Super Tuesday. They know Huckabee is where the nation is.
He believes in consrvative social values, from being pro-life to being pro-traditional marriage and supports amenments to those ends. He has no record of flip flopping like his rivals on the main things. He is strong on defence and would strengthen the military, and critically important and something some of my fellow Christians are missing is that he is the only candidate who thinks little, tiny, Israel, should keep all of it’s land instead of giving it away to the Arabs who hate Israel! I believe the Bible when it says, “And I (God) will bless them that bless thee (Israel), and curse him that curseth thee” Genesis 12:3. I believe there is a blessing for those nations who protect Israel, yet all of the other candidates are advocating splitting up Israel. This land for peace is crazy. Those are just a few of the reasons. He is a true conservative, a man of honor, pro-life, pro-gun rights, less taxes, securing the borders, fighting terrorism, etc., etc.. Romney and McCain are not.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 6:58 PM
Didn’t stop you Christians from claiming the Torah as your own, now did it? The Bible is anything BUT straightforward — it was written long after Jesus Christ walked the earth. You have no say in who is or isn’t a Christian. That’s the bottom line.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 6:59 PM
1 Peter 4:16
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian , let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
KJV
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Israel is pretty darn good at taking care of themselves. Only they can decide when and if it’s right to give up land for peace.
Mike Huckabee’s opinion means diddly-squat. The reason the other GOP candidates fail to toot the Zionism Horn (perhaps I’ll call it the shofar…) is because they have the good sense to realize that our domestic security concerns are much more important than those of Israel. I have no problem with folks supporting Israel, but lets leave Israeli politics in The Holy Land. We’ve got more pressing concerns.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 7:03 PM
We don’t claim the Torah as our own. And most of the New Testament was written within 40 yrs of Jesus’ time.
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Dude – I’ll take a crack at that – and deal with the misnomer of LDS not referring to themselves as Christians… (See footnotes too)
For the people that think they’ve somehow hijacked the term, I agree with MB4 – it has no ownership, no meaning other than I what I can see from my link above…
SkinnerVic on February 6, 2008 at 7:05 PM
It’s part of Christian scripture, so it seems that you do kinda lay claim to it.
And yet there’s no way to prove that. You’re relying on anecdotal evidence at best and complete guesswork at worst. But that is neither here nor there. The fact remains that not you nor your denomination of Christianity is allowed to proclaim who is and isn’t a Christian.
That’s just wrong and, frankly, quite conceited.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Exactly, Pax americana. Well, done man.
Look, I think most Mormons are nice people. My problem is when Mormon’s start calling themselves Christians. That’s when there is a problem. If Mormon’s insist on saying they are Christian, then they must know that those who understand both Mormon and Christian doctrines are going to say, “hey, wait a second, there are very basic truths that these two religions believe in that are not shared by each other.”
This issue is a serious one for many Christians. It has nothing to do with bigotry as HebrewToYou and csdeven are trying to manipulate everyone into believing.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 7:14 PM
It’s not anecdotal evidence that has been documented for 200 years. As for your conceited statement, what you’re saying is that for me to believe one thing over another is conceited. That’s just silly.
With that logic, your beliefs that I don’t share are conceited.
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 7:16 PM
I am so glad I have wrested the chains of religion. This thread makes me know I did the right thing!
SouthernGent on February 6, 2008 at 7:17 PM
I meant 2000 yrs. Not 200.
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Is that the best you can do is link to his own website?
Rudy’s the Man And Understands the Issue.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 7:19 PM
You are deluded, Mitt lost, learn to deal with it. You can blame, or create all of your little scenarios your little mind invents, you can come up with all the excuses. And it still is the whine of a loser.
That fact is, Mitt can not, and has not, won a national election. He is not that good of a candidate. And the resources he wasted, it is a shame.
You backed a loser, most of the voters knew he was a loser, now own up to it.
He never came close to what he projected, he even under achieved what I thought would happen. He was a disaster candidate, that sucked up money that could be used to defeat the Democrats.
He wasn’t electable, that was my stance several months ago, and it has been proved. You undermined every candidate to promote yours (and you still are), and you are still stuck with a loser.
Now you have to find a man to back, and after carrying the water for Mitt, I can bet that you and the other Mitt-wits won’t be able to recognize a leader.
right2bright on February 6, 2008 at 7:20 PM
I want to frame this quote. Stuff like this is quite informative.
Except Gregor seems to disagree with you, and last I checked he considers himself a Christian.
Thankfully I don’t have any beliefs. Aside from the Flying Spaghetti Monster, of course, who has touched me with his noodly appendage. Ramen.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 7:21 PM
How did he accomplish that?
I agree.
that depends on what you consider main things
I live in Arkansas and I pay more in taxes now then I did before he took office… Part of those higher taxes are used for scholarships for illegals. That makes me very concerned about him securing the boarders. What makes you so sure?
modin5540 on February 6, 2008 at 7:24 PM
The same goes for McCain. I don’t support Mitt, but at least he has a personal fortune to use against the Democrats once the nomination is secured. Where is McCain’s cash going to come from now that he’s poked the eyes out of the conservative base?
McCain is going to lose badly. So badly, in fact, that his name will become a notorious verb. You just got McCain’d!
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 7:26 PM
OK, you must be an Anti-war troll..
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 7:28 PM
All those people that voted for him maybe?
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 7:29 PM
We all have beliefs. Just because some beliefs refer to a higher being doesn’t mean logic, reason and rationality are suspended.
You have beliefs that are different from myself and others. Same with me. If you are a post-modernist, then that is your belief. It can be up for debate without calling people conceited or wrong, etc. These are ideas. Can we talk, please, without closing all doors to rational debate?
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 7:29 PM
LoL — anything but. Just a staunch conservative with a passion for humor.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 7:30 PM
Dude. Did you see the discrepancy between Republican and Democrat voter turnout? Have you noticed how many conservatives have said they are completely unwilling to support McCain? The Democrats will have a crapload more cash than John McCain and a unified base.
The GOP will be lucky to have a unified base.
I was speaking to religious matters when I said I had no beliefs. Such is why I made the FSM joke immediately after that. Keep up with the thread. ;)
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 7:32 PM
I’m a slow typer. Sorry. I think I’m going to bow out for now.
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 7:35 PM
McCain won Illinois 47%
McCain won California with 42%
McCain won New York with 51%
McCain Won New Jersey With 55%
McCain Won Florida with 36% (51% counting Rudy)
Thats where MOST OF the BIG BUCKS COME FROM..
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 7:35 PM
Let’s hope the doctor who performs an operation on you does not think that way.
You have a heart problem, but the other doctor calls it a liver…I mean who is he to say what to call the organ.
So your doctor operates on the liver, and you die. Too esoteric?
How’s this, I think a tail of a dog should be called a leg. So how many legs does my dog have, and if you owned it how many legs would it have?
Words and definitions are important. How important?
Who are you (generic you) to say that McCain is not conservative…you are quick to define conservative, and liberal…but can’t define a Christian?
I think bigotry comes from not defining them. It is easy to define a Christian…if you are not a bigot. Bigotry comes from ignorance, and there is no excuse not to know what defines a Christian.
right2bright on February 6, 2008 at 7:38 PM
HebrewToYou, lay off the Mark Day YouTube videos
yea his accent is funny but, he’s anti-war to the max.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Believe what you like. The smart money is on McCain losing big to Obama.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 7:41 PM
Ha! I had to google Mark Day as the name was not familiar. The FSM reference is big on Slashdot, a publication I regularly read as an engineer.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 7:43 PM
When someone corrects you when you are wrong be gracious or be silent, otherwise you prove yourself a fool. I explained to you the difference between a “plurality” and a “majority”. Your refusal to accept you are wrong demonstrates that you lack the cognitive ability to understand the difference. Sad, but not surprising…
tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 7:45 PM
The the imaginary jesus of Joseph Smith is not God incarnate as the Bible teaches. The Mormon jesus was not supernaturally conceived by the Holy Ghost, but the natural offspring of their “god” Elohim who had sex with Mary, meaning he is a created being no different than you and I. Mormons also teach that their jesus had several wives and children, again, in compete contradiction to what the Bible teaches. The jesus of Romney and the Mormon cult is also the brother of Lucifer and will return not to the Mt. Of Olives as the Bible teaches, but to Independence, Missouri to set up his earthly Kingdom. When Romney talks about “jesus,” he is NOT talking about the true Jesus of the Bible!
Their “god” is named Elohim and was once a man like you and I who came from another planet called Kolob. Show me anywhere in the Christian bible this planet Kolob. It’s not there. Mormon theology teaches that men can eventually become a god and have their own planet. Romney, as a member of this cult, believes that he too will one day become a god. When he talks about “god,” he is talking about this fictitious god of Mormonism and NOT the God of the Bible!
HebrewToYou, “Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” Matthew 4:10
Bigot.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 7:47 PM
oops, I didn’t mean to add bigot at the end there. That was HebrewToYou who said that. I forgot to delete it before pushing send.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 7:49 PM
This is coming from the dim bulb who cannot grasp the difference between a plurality and a majority. According to him anyone who disagrees with his simpleton’s understanding of the world or bothers him with facts he is too witless to understand, are trolls. So sad.
tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Unfortunately Con-mey hasn’t finished draining resources and setting candidates against each other quite yet. He could have been set for the VP slot but he blew that too.
The glee in your body is extraordinary. I used to think that defeatism was the preserve of the Democrats, but this primary season has taught me better. The craven and self-destructive element in the GOP has got itself in a corner and is spitting venom.
Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Says YOU! You cannot tell someone else that their belief is not a form Christianity. That is absolutely absurd, apacalyps, and most certainly a form of bigotry. Listen to csdeven. He’s trying to help you.
It’s not glee, Pax americana. It’s acceptance. McCain is a horrible candidate. He’s essentially gotten a free pass from the Mainstream Media because they want him to be the GOP nominee so Hillary or Obama can mop the floor with him. And the MSM would love to see Huckabee as his VP. It would be the perfect “See, this is what the Republicans have to offer!” situation.
Don’t you see that the GOP is being set up to lose big? I’m not gleeful about it. I’m thoroughly depressed that the party I was once proud to be a member of is no longer interested in self preservation.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 7:57 PM
What is this arguement about which fictional character is better than another doing in this thread?
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 6, 2008 at 7:59 PM
This is just silly, Hebrew. You are closing your eyes to any definitive statements having to do with Orthodox Christianity. It would interfere with your distain.
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 8:03 PM
I’ve never seen any logic in this argument. If the MSM wanted a candidate for Obama and Hillary to mop the floor with then why haven’t they been shilling for Ron Paul or Alan Keyes? What on earth makes you think that they wouldn’t have made mincemeat out of Romney’s flip-flopping and religious persuasion?
It makes much more sense to reason that the MSM actually wanted a competitive election in November, from which they will get higher viewing figures, more revenue, and more power in terms of being the brokers of power in this nation. A one horse race is useless to them. Of course they will milk the identity politics crap of Hillary/Obama for all it is worth, but that would have been the case in any circumstance.
Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 8:08 PM
That’s just not true and really unfair. You don’t know me. Most of my friends aren’t Christians and some are even atheists. Incidently, I always remind them God doesn’t believe in atheists, but I like to think of myself as being a friendly and easy going guy who can be trusted and only wants the best for my friends. I won’t lie to people. Make this distinction when reading my posts; I don’t like all cultures, but care for all people.
One of the founding fathers, John Jay, also America’s first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, once received a letter inquiring from him whether it was permissible for a Christian to vote for an unGodly candidate. Jay responded:
“Whether our religion permits Christians to vote for infidel rulers is a question which merits more consideration than it seems yet to have generally received either from the clergy or the laity. It appears to me that what the prophet said to Jehoshaphat about his attachment to Ahab (”Shouldest thou help the ungodly and love them that hate the Lord?” 2 Chronicles 19:2) affords a salutary lesson.”
I love them that hate the Lord and think John Jay’s statement deserves careful consideration. I may debate strongly with you, but I care for you and would love to help get AP and the rest of you saved.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 8:08 PM
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