McCain to get 95% of California’s delegates? Update: McCain all but clinches mathematically? Update: Brokered convention?
posted at 11:50 am on February 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I nodded at this in the Scarborough post but it’s a big enough deal to warrant its own thread. 42-34 is the (almost) final tally from Cali this morning. The 173 delegates are awarded proportionally, which means roughly 70 for Maverick and 60 for Mitt, right? Wrong. Proportionality in this case means winner-take-all by district, so those delegate estimates work only if McCain and Romney take 42% and 34% of the state’s districts. They’re 53 separate little primaries; the statewide popular vote is largely meaningless.
So how’d they do by district? If you saw the earlier thread, you already know. We’re looking at a delegate breakdown closer to 160-10, which qualifies as, shall we say, an objectively bad day for Mitt Romney, even among serious analysts whose pundit fu is, of course, to be trusted. It has, at last, come to this.
Update: CNN puts Maverick at 615 delegates but with only 56 in his column thus far from California. Team McCain says the real number is closer to 775. Which means…
Speaking with reporters today, McCain adviser Charlie Black said, “To date, we have 775 delegates, Romney has 284, Huckabee has 205. It takes 1,191 to clinch the nomination. There are 963 left to be chosen, so Romney or Huckabee would have to have all of them — all of them — to get to 1,191. Now you can’t do that because a majority of those 963 are chosen in proportional primaries, which means you’d have to get 100% if the vote to get them all.
Update: What’s the likelihood of Mitt blowing McCain out in the remaining states?
[N]early half the coming reaces are open contests — those that allow Democrats and independents in which McCain has fared well. “To make things worse for Mitt, the open contests are in larger states (Ohio, Texas, Indiana).
Update: CPAC may be Romney’s last hurrah.
Update: Reader James P. turns Charlie Black’s logic around in an e-mail:
All Mitt (and Huckabee) need to do to deny McCain enough delegates to win the nomination is win 547 of the remaining 963 delegates – roughly 57%. Which means it will go to the convention, where anything can happen. Given that around 66% of Republicans voted for someone other than McCain last night, it’s not out of the question, especially given most of the upcoming contests are awarded on a proportional basis and McCain won’t be taking primaries outright (like he did last night).
All that does is lock up the VP nomination for Huckabee, though, doesn’t it? Maverick goes to the convention with, say, 1,000 delegates needing 191 more to win. He pulls Huck aside, the deal is done, and he gets the Huck faction in return for promising him the bottom of the ticket.
Update: Noam Askew tries to game out a brokered convention. Not all delegates are bound to the candidate they’re pledged to, he reminds us, a fact very much in Romney’s mind right now.
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No, the problem is Romney. McCain-Romney would be much much better than McCain-Huckabee for the general, but Romney has ruled himself out and seems content on splitting the party and going down in a blazing inferno.
Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 2:53 PM
* TOTAL DELEGATES
John McCain 680
Mitt Romney 270
Mike Huckabee 176
Ron Paul 16
———–
McCain has more Delegates than Romney, Huck and Paul COMBINED.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:54 PM
Hey Allah, hows that poking the Romney supporters with a stick going for ya?
I don’t see very many of us tossing all reason to the wind like the delusional Fredheads did and taking the bait on this “Mitt has a chance” line you’re pushing. ;-)
Keep it up though, maybe we can lever this into stirring up the kooky Fredheads again?
lol
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 2:55 PM
McCain-Romney ain’t gonna happen
bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 2:57 PM
John McCain ————————- = 680
Romney(270) + Huckabee(176) + Paul(16)= 462
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Absolutely 100% correct
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 2:58 PM
John McCain = The Awesome-est
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:59 PM
My God. It had to be an attempt at irony, parody of the Mittbots. Right?
John Adams? George Washington? Abraham Lincoln? Theodore Roosevelt? Hell, Zachary Taylor? Dwight D Eisenhower? Ronald Reagan?
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 2:43 PM
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 3:00 PM
With Rudy’s support that is.. >:}
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:00 PM
John McCain could be the Mega-Super-Duper-Awesome-est IF Mitt would play along too..
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:01 PM
You McLiar shills are hilariously phantasmal!!
The party is on fire and Mitt is trying to save it. The problem is McVanity and HuckaGibot have combined forces and are throwing the party good to the wind for their own personal benefit.
Do we conservatives have to remind you again the motivation behind McIWasScrewedAndNowItsMyTurn and HuckaIAmTheJesusCandidateGibot?
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 3:03 PM
It’s over.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Cali?
That’ll be “CA” or “Calif” to you, yutz.
RC2 on February 6, 2008 at 3:04 PM
The first candidate to get the attack-dog treatment from Ann Coulter was Rudy Giuliani, back in Feb. 2007. She said she would not support him over Hillary. Then she took after Huckabee and Thompson. Remember this?
FRED SAWYER AND HUCKABEE FINN
October 10, 2007
Now it’s McCain she hates.
Yep, a real constructive force in the GOP right there.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 3:05 PM
You just contradicted yourself. You say it’s spot on, but miss the entire point of his comment.
Those who will do anything to prevent McCain from being REWARDED for screwing us all … are the true conservatives. The rest are sissies who drop to their knees rather than stand up to the fraud. Sellouts. Traitors. They are voting against their own principles and beliefs, simply to be on the side of the winner.
Gutless!
You simply can’t grasp that.
Try to imagine the Founders if they had such lack of spine. Would they have dared to write the Declaration of Independence? Or would they have simply backed down to avoid a backlash?
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 3:07 PM
EJ?
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 3:07 PM
I think we should admit that the Democrats are right about one thing. The early primaries should have proportional delegates to vote–which the Democrats tend to do a little more than the Republicans.
And the states that vote later should be winner take all. Thus, the states which later could still play a role in the system. Under this system, we would have had time to explain why both Huckabee and McCain were bad choices. The problem we had this time was explanation fatigue. We’d just got out the message about the problems with Huckabee when the “Straight Talk Express” appeared out of nowhere.
thuja on February 6, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Gregor, you are going to punish the nation and our military because your issues weren’t addressed properly by the person who is going to win the GOP nomination.
You sir, are the traitor. You put your political tastes above the good of the nation and above the good of the troops.
You don’t like abortion? But you are going to enable the election of Obama, the most extremist pro-choicer on the scene today?
You know, your vote will cost people their lives. I hope you are proud of that.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 3:10 PM
I am new here so maybe someone can help me. I came here when a friend told me Hot Air is a forum where a bunch of smart, witty conservatives hang out. It seems that was bad advice since I have read more stuff from Maverick crack sniffing republicans than anything conservative. Am I missing something? Is there a sub-forum that houses the conservatives? I would ask this Allahpundit fellow but sincerely doubt he would know the answer.
David in ATL on February 6, 2008 at 3:10 PM
My First Choice Rudy was ATTACKED Ruthlessly for like a year!
The thrice married, Gay loving, gun grabbing, baby killing… Ferret hater.. cross dressing, Sheesh
just about anything they could find or make up.
Go Rudy!
You Still DA MAN!
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:10 PM
I think Coulter’s been a Harridan for Hillary all along.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 3:11 PM
David, do you prefer the csdeven and EJs who think Mitt Romney is the perfect, doctrinaire issue driven historical conservative?
Try HughHewitt.com
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 3:12 PM
All primaries should be proportional to vote, and all primaries should be held on the same day.
The entire system is rigged for a purpose.
The mess in West Virginia was not by accident. What sense does it make to require a candidate gain 50% of the vote. If a candidate wins the first ballot 48% to 22%, you’re telling me it shouldn’t be over at that point?
The 50% rule is there for the sole purpose of allowing for rigging if the outcome does not come out the way it’s desired. The fact that the majority of voters picked Romney, and the losers were allowed to then COMBINE votes to defeat him is complete corruption.
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 3:14 PM
David, there are a few..
I belong to a Rudy Forum, that has since turned into mostly a McCain forum, also I hang out in a Forum that was created After a bunch of Rudy Supporters were banned from Free Republic.(Several were started After that Happened actually)
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:14 PM
But how many of those are Democrats and Independents? Don’t be so smug, if we had a closed system these numbers would be entirely different.
liquidflorian on February 6, 2008 at 3:15 PM
I wasn’t going to post cuz I felt like my right to free speech was being suppressed, but since this Huckabee party that started last night keeps on going I thought I’d stop in to let you know you guys are invited too. Thank you Mike Huckabee for showing the nation we do have a choice and we should not be forced into accepting the medias candidate. The BIG losers on super Tuesday were right-wing talk radio and pundits. The South and the Heartland of America loves you Mike!
Turn it Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD4Xbd6CGz4
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 3:17 PM
You would be suprised! lots of them are soc-cons!
very good mix of people..
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:18 PM
David, don’t listen to Chakra Hammer, he’s the cancer killing Hot Air.
liquidflorian on February 6, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Yeah. That’s what they called the original Founders too. Remember? They were traitors.
If that’s what it means to stand on conservative principles and demand that the United States continue to live by the principles of the Founders … I’ll gladly accept the label of traitor. I want no part of your socialist/communist re-organization.
Traitor. That’s me. Consider me your enemy and do not get in my path.
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 3:18 PM
No really, I’m not….
liquidflorian on February 6, 2008 at 3:19 PM
Bryan’s threads. :)
RushBaby on February 6, 2008 at 3:19 PM
I don’t know those guys but am quite surprised at the number of folks claiming to be McCain supporters here if this is a conservative forum. McCain grabbed less than 30% of the conservative vote yesterday….he was clobbered by Mitt in that critical category for a man that wants to lead the repub party. Those that fail to understand that simple fact are going to be shocked come Nov when the base doesn’t show up for this pathetic RINO named McCain.
I’ll check out the Hewitt site, thanks for the heads up.
David in ATL on February 6, 2008 at 3:19 PM
You forgot “open borders, amnesty loving, fraud.”
I appreciate the fact that you just made it perfectly clear what principles you stand for.
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 3:21 PM
The cancer killing Hot-Air is the hate, and the unappeasable minority.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:21 PM
csdeven,
Setting your hatred of McCain and Huck aside, how could you support Mitt with his obvious contempt for the military:
January 30 at Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, Romney said,
Boston Globe, June 24, 2007.
But, of course, he was lying. Boston Herald, May 2, 1994:
This of course is in addition to comparing the sacrifices of his boys by working on his campaign to young men serving their country in the military.
Then yesterday he insults two actual war heros at the same time — McCain and Dole.
Why does Mitt have no respect for the military?
tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Quoted for truth.
I’m glad we agree, Cancer Hammer.
liquidflorian on February 6, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Thats because, Rudy is NOT for open borders and for you to lie, just shows your level ignorance.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:24 PM
The MSM are the most powerful force in American politics and they decided to eliminate Huckabee from the race. Huckabee won primaries in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee and West Virginia. What a beautiful thing. The south is the the heart and soul of the party.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 3:24 PM
I agree, I’m a Cancer(Born in July)
Astrological Sign Cancer. >:}
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Revolution Lyrics
Artist(Band):The Beatles
Review The Song (8) Print the Lyrics
You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We’d all want to change the world
You tell me that it’s evolution
Well you know
We’d all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don’t you know you that can count me out
Don’t you know it’s gonna be alright [x3]
You say you got a real solution
Well you know
We’d all want to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We’re all doing what we can
But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Don’t you know it’s gonna be alright [x4]
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Indeed. Fred, Huck, McCain, Rudy all have had her bile spewed over them. Coulter – your girl needs you now!
I couldn’t agree more – I’m sick to death of these GOP traitors and turncoats and their holier-than-thou garbage.
Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 3:26 PM
LOL! Oh, my stomach hurts! Good one Chakra! And McCain never supported amnesty, right?
Your grandma is calling you up from the basement. Lunch is ready.
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Chakra Hammer 69
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Professor, if you ever decide to leave HA, know that I really appreciated you being here. It might not mean much to you, or anyone, but it was always a delight to see you here, in the HA parlor of pontifications, great and small. You’re always provided wit, and an occasional reality check, which is oft needed.
This is why by Nov. shamnesty will be on the back burner, with McCain having put it there. The bitter/sweet for the conservatives is, in the case of a Hillary/McCain, that the only way they’ll win is if Hillary is on the ticket, and that their guy will be McCain. I fear most his VP selection of Huckabee.
Entelechy on February 6, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Right-wing talk radio and pundits tried to force Romney on us, but the heart and soul of conservatism which is the South rejected him. To become President, a Republican must be able to win in the South.
Time for Mitt To Go
http://blogs4huckabee.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/time-for-mitt-to-go/
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 3:27 PM
FOR OVER 25 YEARS, GIULIANI HAS CALLED FOR SECURING THE BORDERS, DEPORTING ILLEGAL ALIENS
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:28 PM
hey, apacalypse, I’m not supporting your man, and I hope you’re not gonna go around asking people if they believe in “evilution” any more. But, well, I decided that if Huckabee is the nominee he’s got my vote over Hil/Obama too.
I did a post up above about Coulter and how she razed Giuliani first, then Fred! and Huck, and now is after McCain.
She said in Feb 2007 that she was going to support Hillary over Giuliani when he was the front runner.
Was she already set on Hillary?
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 3:29 PM
If Mitt had a “majority” he would have won WV, but he got a “plurality” not a “majority” The caucus system allows like minded candidates to pool their support and defeat a less popular candidate. Mitt was that less popular candidate. So, he lost.
tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Now you have reach the depths of demagoguery. McLiar isn’t going to win because he doesn’t want the conservative vote. If he did, he would have been acting like a conservative. Now he realizes he needs the conservative vote and will soon realize that we conservatives are not the moderate/liberal whores he is used to BSing with his forked tongue.
McVanity shamed the party and this country by not acting as a conservative.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 3:30 PM
There. Fixed that for you.
JustTruth101 on February 6, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Thank, Mikes for standing up to the right’s pundits.
Huckabee: “Not only will I won’t quit, I can’t.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFwfvse8wVM
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Mitt need to drop out ASAP..
his hanging on and giving his supporters false hope is beyond ridiculous.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Rudy was the best Candidate..
Now you will have to hold your nose and vote for McCain, since you imposed a litmus test on my candidate.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Right on, brother!
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Do you really think that McVanity will humble himself to the point he will have to in order to put shamnesty on the back burner?
What I want to see is a petition for McShamnesty to sign promising he will not sign any immigration amnesty law until the borders are completely 100% secure with fences etc. And not this BS about having the governors certify them secure. I want the US government, whose job it is to secure the borders, to certify it.
The idea of watching that arrogant liar sign a petition would be delightful schradenfruede. Kiss conservative ass. Eat crow. Yum, yum!!
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 3:36 PM
Absolutely backwards. The blame falls on those people who picked obviously unelectable candidates because they liked them, rather than picking a candidate people could agree on.
Rudy was Exhibit A. All those people pushing Rudy knew from Day One that he would be unacceptable to social conservatives, and should have known he could never get the nomination without social conservatives. But they convinced themselves that he would get the nomination, and that the social conservatives would have to fall in line to prevent Hillary.
Tancredo was another example. He only really appealed to those obsessed with illegal immigration. No other appeal at all. Fortunately, he dropped out soon enough to not do much damage.
Huckabee was another example. Fiscal conservatives are not going to vote for Huckabee, and foreign policy conservatives rightly disdained him.
Romney is another example. He at least was smart enough to try to win over fiscal, foreign policy, and social conservatives at the same time. But the writing was on the wall way back that people didn’t trust him.
No one should have wasted time on a candidate who didn’t appeal to all three types of conservatives. You could rightly blame the current state of things on Huckabee. But you could just as easily blame it on Romney. But the real blame goes to the supporters of each who evaluated electability because a candidate looked strong in one or two states without realizing the support they were looking at was more of a ceiling than a floor.
Bottom line: the factions have killed us. Most of us could have lived with Fred, even if we preferred Rudy, or Romney, or -shudder- Huckabee. But we rejected decent all-around candidates for candidates which appealed to certain factions. Result: McCain as the likely nominee, who nobody likes, and many hate, but apparently not quite enough people hate.
It’s all in which consensus candidate you’re willing to accept. If you don’t accept the right one, one will be accepted for you.
tom on February 6, 2008 at 3:36 PM
waaaaaa waaaaaa McCain and Huckabee picked on poow widdle mitty.
LOL this is funny, but I gotta go.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 3:37 PM
I
Used to be, before registration was opened up and we now have idiots who don’t just post a comment one time, they post the same thing over and over and over on the same thread, as if they think that makes the rest of us think that the more times they say it, the more weight there is to it. Chakra Hammer is a good example. Instead of debating he repeats. I agree it does get tiresome and significantly “dumbs down” the boards.
I’m in favor of spirited debate. I am not in favor of juveniles who junk up the boards with the same unoriginal chants over and over and over.
JustTruth101 on February 6, 2008 at 3:37 PM
All I know is this: No matter WHO wins the GOP nomination, the only REAL winner in this big mess is Fred Thompson.
Why?
Because he is the only one of the candidates who gets to go home (and to bed) with Jeri Thompson. If that’s not the best damn prize of all I don’t know what the hell is.
wearyman on February 6, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Another McLiar tactic. You are an ignorant fool.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM
Basically, yes. Unprincipled for choosing non-conservatives, bad judgement for choosing the wrong ones.
tom on February 6, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Couldn’t agree more.
JustTruth101 on February 6, 2008 at 3:42 PM
I never considered this board to be a place of “witty” commentary.. It has a few, posters with some neurons functioning however, overall not so much.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:47 PM
tom, it’s an election. Yes, I much prefer Fred! to the others, and really, really liked Duncan Hunter on the issues. If conservatives had fought for Hunter, thus fulfilling the Professor Blather suggestion, rather than creating their cipher in a good suit and good hair (Romney) things could have been quite different.
But that train left the station over a year ago.
Certainly you wouldn’t mandate having people be forced to choose tom’s favorite candidate in an election? I mean, why have the election at all?
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Hey, Chicken, if the topic comes up I am not afraid of it. If people can bring Christianity into a political debate by talking about the Evangelical vote, then I am certainly entitled to ask them if they believe they evolved from a rock.
Well, done. You are making the right choice supporting Mike. He is the only true conservative running.
Speaking of “evilution” think about this for a moment. Ann chose to attack a fellow Christian ho didn’t debunk evolution enough, instead of applauding Mike for being the first candidate to lift up his hand when asked during one of the debates to “raise your hand if you don’t believe in evolution”. Huckabee was one of only three who had the courage. Mitt Romney didn’t. Giuliani didn’t. Fred Thompson kept his hand down. Etcetera.
Not a word from Coulter on any of the others, especially her candidate Mitt Romney, except to attack Huckabee.
This should open your eyes to this women’s real motives.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Oh good one here. Crack-sniffing Republicans? Collaborator? Illegitimate black babies?
What a smart and witty conservative you are. One of those ‘conservatives’ who would rather have President Hillary/Obama no doubt.
Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Coulter likes mitt because he has pretty hair..
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 3:51 PM
It’s already started.
Ex-tex on February 6, 2008 at 3:52 PM
As you well know I have been writing letters and making phone calls to Mitt’s offices for months on end. And I have no clue why he has abandoned the pro-military message. It was when he made that the focus of his campaign is when he started to gain in his popularity. Mid November I think.
I don’t think Mitt has one single clue what it is like to be in the military or a family member of a brave trooper.
As a personal note and only because you know my situation, the area my son (11bravo 101st) is in has seen an increase in attacks. My heart has been aching and I can’t sleep at night. But today he told me (he is a gunner on a humvee) that they are using MRAP’s now. I cried. It was like the weight of a thousand worlds was lifted off my back. But you know what he told me? He said the MRAP is longer and his turret is toward the front and he has a harder time protecting the dismounts. The vehicle will withstand a 300 lb charge, but he’d rather sacrifice his security for his ability to protect his guys.
My God, I wish I was half as brave and committed as my son.
Mitt Romney does not understand this feeling. Well, it doesn’t appear that he understands that feeling. And the SOB will not return my calls or emails.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 3:52 PM
If Romney can’t win the SOUTH – which is the literal heart of conservatism, he is a poor candidate for the general election. You can’t spin that. Period. End of story.
PS — Oh, yeah, the other thing: Did you see the look on their faces… lol.. Fox, CNN, et al… they didn’t know how to deal with the “other” candidate. Real conservatives stuck it to them.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Darling csdeven, you must learn how to spell such a powerful and true word :)
And yes, I believe by Nov. he will – however, more important than the fence, which can’t be built high enough, or made to be contiguously unpassable, is the enforcement of current laws in the work place.
To be sure, he’s not my first choice but that’s what I believe about the current status. No good choice this year. It’s sad and frustrating.
Btw, we’ll buy each other drinks – I for losing Fred, and you for losing Mitt, the sorrow of which I predicted for you a long time ago.
Entelechy on February 6, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Welcome back, apacalyps!
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Are you kidding me. the fact that you rejected Huckabee speaks volumes about how conservative you are. Myth and McCain are essentially liberal.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Keep it real Chakra. You know it. Time to go Mitt. No more whining. The South rejected you and chose the true conservative Mr. Huckabee.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Let me explain the genesis of that comment. Republicans were winning everywhere except the south, and they couldn’t win without the south ALSO.
That bigot you keep shilling for can’t win ANYWHERE except the south. If that bigot wasn’t in the race, Mitt would have won the south and would be the nominee. HuckaBigot never had a chance and only stayed in for his own personal quest for power and not what would be best for conservatism or the country. He got promised something by McLiar if he would stay in the race and hamstring Mitt. Well, he did it and now we have the weakest candidate possible. McShamnesty will lose in November for sure and I doubt even the conservative base can prevent it with their support.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 3:59 PM
That’s why I have you darling. I never use it unless I know you’re around to straighten me out. ;-)
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 4:01 PM
A little push from the pundits ralways helps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqaC1DrKjuQ
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Schadenfreude. OK, I added it to my dictionary. I doubt it will help though. :-)
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Yep…that is exactly what happened, and the price that we will all pay is truly devastating.
At least I am consoled by knowing there is no way McCain will win. If he did, the FIRST he would do is resurrect some form of the fairness doctrine to kill talk radio as payback, maybe even come after blogs. He has shown repeatedly that he will choose exacting vengeance and getting his own way over what is good for the country.
If we were to lose free speech, the experiment is over. At least under Hillary, I don’t think that will happen.
JustTruth101 on February 6, 2008 at 4:07 PM
I should have inserted “butt” before the word “crack”, sorry for the confusion.
I don’t see how it matters what I want. The repub party has decided to run a liberal for President that will not get my support.
David in ATL on February 6, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Conservatives don’t engage in class warfare and bigoted politics. Your guy is an unmitigated disgusting vile bigot.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 4:09 PM
The quality of discourse in the comments here went noticeably downhill after the last open registration a few weeks ago. We got a handful of very persistent annoying commenters who have detracted significantly from the discussions since they signed up. I expect that after the primaries are over these people who are rude and irritating in the way they promote the candidates of their choice will likely fade away, leaving the more serious and thoughtful conservative commenters to have the forum once again. I hope so, anyway!
aero on February 6, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Amen! Some of these commenters are grown babies with a keyboard. No discussing, just bomb-throwing.
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 4:14 PM
I don’t see how McCain doesn’t win the Republican Nomination. The Democrats on the other hand, I don’t see how they don’t wind up going all the way to the Convention.
SoulGlo on February 6, 2008 at 4:15 PM
The second largest state in the Union is DYING to get in on this!!
pecan pie on February 6, 2008 at 4:20 PM
As long as you don’t use your favorite word “bigot”.
There ya go… didn’t take but just a minute.
And again.
Bam! And again!
Keep talking, someday you’ll say something intelligent.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 4:20 PM
My NEW favorite bumpersticker
Ex-tex on February 6, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Notice how you cannot defend the bigots actions? Don’t worry if you didn’t. The rest of us did.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 4:24 PM
How many time are you going to use your favorite word?
Ah, yes.
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 4:24 PM
You continue to say the word “bigot”. Do you have tourettes syndrome?
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Go away, apacalyps. You add nothing to the discussion but bigotry and ignorance. With any luck you’ll soon be banned just as your boy, Harald, was. You Huckabots have outstayed your welcome.
I don’t know if you’ve realized it, but the “What Would Jesus Do?” candidate is still in third with regards to delegates. In what world are you living that third place is worthy of giddiness? You’re a joke.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Are you paying attention yet? You still haven’t defended his bigoted actions. Are you that proud of his bigotry?
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 4:31 PM
apacalyps, he uses that word because it’s an accurate reflection of your and Huckabee’s viewpoints. You deserve that title for your anti-Mormon rhetoric alone. Shame on you.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Bottom Line….
McCain is going to be the nominee, like it or not.
He’ll beat Clinton, but he will not beat Obama.
Figuring that if however he becomes the president, you McCainiacs will rue your fanaticism when his true colors come out. GRrrrrrrr.
gunter on February 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM
My best to you and your son. You both deserve better candidates.
tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 4:35 PM
Not after the Clinton Smear Machine gets to work on McCain’s many, many flaws as a candidate. They will tear him to shreds faster than you can say “Shamnesty!”
I personally believe Obama is going to win the Democratic Primary. And McCain stands a whelk’s chance in a supernova of beating him. Two points to whomever knows which author the whelk reference comes from.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 4:36 PM
That’s funny.
Geronimo on February 6, 2008 at 4:38 PM
This is off the topic, but I was wondering if you live in Israel?
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 4:39 PM
Back up your claim I am a bigot or shut-up.
Mittheads like you have been calling for Huckabee to leave after South Carolina, you said it was all over for Huck, but you were wrong and last night proved it Huckabee dominated the Southern states. Romney was a DISASTER last night. Face it. He couldn’t compete in the South and everybody knows you need to win in the South to be President. Mike has a better case that it’s time for Romney to leave.
Stop whining Romney.
Huckabee to Romney: If He thinks this is Tough…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBHgt1_oW2Q
apacalyps on February 6, 2008 at 4:41 PM
Nope. Los Angeles, CA.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 4:41 PM
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