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McCain to get 95% of California’s delegates? Update: McCain all but clinches mathematically? Update: Brokered convention?

posted at 11:50 am on February 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I nodded at this in the Scarborough post but it’s a big enough deal to warrant its own thread. 42-34 is the (almost) final tally from Cali this morning. The 173 delegates are awarded proportionally, which means roughly 70 for Maverick and 60 for Mitt, right? Wrong. Proportionality in this case means winner-take-all by district, so those delegate estimates work only if McCain and Romney take 42% and 34% of the state’s districts. They’re 53 separate little primaries; the statewide popular vote is largely meaningless.

So how’d they do by district? If you saw the earlier thread, you already know. We’re looking at a delegate breakdown closer to 160-10, which qualifies as, shall we say, an objectively bad day for Mitt Romney, even among serious analysts whose pundit fu is, of course, to be trusted. It has, at last, come to this.

Update: CNN puts Maverick at 615 delegates but with only 56 in his column thus far from California. Team McCain says the real number is closer to 775. Which means…

Speaking with reporters today, McCain adviser Charlie Black said, “To date, we have 775 delegates, Romney has 284, Huckabee has 205. It takes 1,191 to clinch the nomination. There are 963 left to be chosen, so Romney or Huckabee would have to have all of them — all of them — to get to 1,191. Now you can’t do that because a majority of those 963 are chosen in proportional primaries, which means you’d have to get 100% if the vote to get them all.

Update: What’s the likelihood of Mitt blowing McCain out in the remaining states?

[N]early half the coming reaces are open contests — those that allow Democrats and independents in which McCain has fared well. “To make things worse for Mitt, the open contests are in larger states (Ohio, Texas, Indiana).

Update: CPAC may be Romney’s last hurrah.

Update: Reader James P. turns Charlie Black’s logic around in an e-mail:

All Mitt (and Huckabee) need to do to deny McCain enough delegates to win the nomination is win 547 of the remaining 963 delegates – roughly 57%. Which means it will go to the convention, where anything can happen. Given that around 66% of Republicans voted for someone other than McCain last night, it’s not out of the question, especially given most of the upcoming contests are awarded on a proportional basis and McCain won’t be taking primaries outright (like he did last night).

All that does is lock up the VP nomination for Huckabee, though, doesn’t it? Maverick goes to the convention with, say, 1,000 delegates needing 191 more to win. He pulls Huck aside, the deal is done, and he gets the Huck faction in return for promising him the bottom of the ticket.

Update: Noam Askew tries to game out a brokered convention. Not all delegates are bound to the candidate they’re pledged to, he reminds us, a fact very much in Romney’s mind right now.


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McCain/Huckabee “08″Madam president” get used to the sound of it cause it’s coming. Like it or not!

FTFY

ChrisM on February 6, 2008 at 1:06 PM

McCain/Huckabee “08″” get used to the sound of it cause it’s coming. Like it or not!

jesterstear on February 6, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Wow the dems and independents love the war and god! That’s a real winner!

jwp1964 on February 6, 2008 at 1:04 PM

I’m not a dem or an indie although i do love war but i dont beleive in god

jesterstear on February 6, 2008 at 1:10 PM

Thought of the morning:
Given we understand the nature of the problem – McCain needs conservatives to win (and he’s probably NOT going to get enough to do it) just as he needs moderates.

Is the concept of a Romney/Bloomberg (I) run even feasible given they would take the anti-McCain vote, and some moderates? How many moderates and independents could they field in a general? Just asking…

SkinnerVic on February 6, 2008 at 1:11 PM

“McCain/Huckabee “08″Madam president” get used to the sound of it cause it’s coming. Like it or not!

FTFY

Not a chance in hell. She has no shot.

jesterstear on February 6, 2008 at 1:12 PM

Not a chance in hell. She has no shot.

jesterstear on February 6, 2008 at 1:12 PM

What planet is it that you’re from? The Clinton machine…no chance…dude, cut your dosage

jwp1964 on February 6, 2008 at 1:14 PM

No gracias on Huckabee. McCain ran a close second to Huckabee in AL and TN, close enough that he shouldn’t feel forced to put him on the ticket. I’m sure there is a cabinet post that Huckabee could fill. He is a big believer in developing alternative energy sources. Um, Sec’y of Interior?

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM

Not that it matters now, but Rush is making the point that if Huckabee really cared about Evangelical issues he’d be attacking McCain not Mitt.

Oh well. Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

Buy Danish on February 6, 2008 at 1:16 PM

It is the Republican party, not the conservative party. You are just a member. If you can’t be a good team member — out of the tent with you!!!

tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Trust me. Your wish is granted. Good luck with that in the future.

Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 1:16 PM

if you can’t be a good team member — out of the tent with you!!! It’s cold out there. Ask the remaining Bull Moosers.

tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM

They’ll be OK. Most of the true conservatives have already pitched a tent for Fred.

Big S on February 6, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Update: CNN puts Maverick at 615 delegates but with only 56 in his column thus far from California. Team McCain says the real number is closer to 775.

Mushroom cloud.

Vizzini on February 6, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Not a chance in hell. She has no shot.

Are you a betting man?

ChrisM on February 6, 2008 at 1:19 PM

jwp, uh, I think that was the face of the abortion-obsession that has really harmed the GOP. Thompson got the endorsement from NRL, but was that enough for tommylotto and other Operation Rescue types. NO WAY. They wouldn’t support Fred!, who had a chance to unify the party….too impure.

So we are stuck with what we’ve got. I sent a couple hundred dollars to Fred!, but our bright light “leaders” like James Dobson told people that Fred! wasn’t a Christian, or didn’t have “fire in the belly” or wouldn’t wear a hat, and insulted fire fighters, even though that was totally untrue.

Fred! didn’t think the Federal government should have shut down for 2 days to get into the Terry Schiavo mess, which meant that he lost the Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter endorsements.

It’s not moderates who are divisive.

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 1:20 PM

business is taking it in the gonads. could be a deep recession. unzips. cold too.

pc on February 6, 2008 at 1:20 PM

I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING TERRIBLE.

SINCE I’M ONLY 19 I CAN’T BUY A GUN YET / GET A LICENSE.

NOW I’LL NEVER GET ONE BECAUSE WE’RE GONNA HAVE A DEM PRESIDENT.

HYTEAndy on February 6, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Some interesting links:

Only thing on Mitts Calendar is CPAC?
http://www.mittromney.com/News/Events/index

No press releases
http://www.mittromney.com/News/Press-Releases/index

bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM

HYTEAndy on February 6, 2008 at 1:21 PM

I feel your pain.

ChrisM on February 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM

JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING TERRIBLE.

SINCE I’M ONLY 19 I CAN’T BUY A GUN YET / GET A LICENSE.

NOW I’LL NEVER GET ONE BECAUSE WE’RE GONNA HAVE A DEM PRESIDENT.

HYTEAndy on February 6, 2008 at 1:21 PM

What state do you live in?

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:24 PM

You can all blame yourselves for supporting Thompson instead of looking at the most plausible conservative candidate. Really. You were bickering instead of uniting.

Anyway, looks like I’ll be voting Obama.

Dr B on February 6, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Only thing on Mitts Calendar is CPAC?

It sounded like his wife lowered the boom on his money situation and he’s hoping that CPAC and his “talk radio fan’s” will carry the water for him..

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:26 PM

(Thank God for absentee.)

Yesterday just quashed my illusions all around. Even the illusion of the integrity of the system.

Hawkins1701 on February 6, 2008 at 12:16 PM

I too voted absentee along with everyone I know. It annoys me that they’ve called the race with 4 million absentee ballots probably not yet counted. I would not be surprised in the least if we were “disenfranchised”.

Just look at the propositions-they all went conservative. Every. Single. One. I find it hard to believe those same conservative voters were for McCain. I’m in denial this morning, I guess.

NTWR on February 6, 2008 at 1:26 PM

HYTEAndy on February 6, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Dude, bold and all caps? Calm down.

HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 1:27 PM

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Fred pretty much lost the Malkin endorsement when she demanded he start dancing last July 4th, and he refused.

ChrisM on February 6, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Snort. Rush has let his MDS make him insane on this issue. Huckabee doesn’t care about evangelicals. LOL

Poor, dumb, southern Huck needs city slickers like Romney to help him. Good heavens. And after the crap Rush said about Huck, I doubt his word holds much sway with them.

Really, Limbaugh has beclowned himself on his anti-McCain quest. Romney, Mr. Moderate, Northeastern Rockefeller country club republican himself, is the only true conservative out there?

Hey, I have nothing against moderate Republicans. But when you try to package a moderate as something totally different, you look like an ass.

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Dr B on February 6, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Dr B, Troll on..

We all know that Rudy was the MOST conservative but he isn’t in the race anymore. >:{

SO, GO McCain!

No Hillary!

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:28 PM

I don’t doubt McCain’s claiming it, but 775 is a big stretch for his delegate count. I’ve gone through state-by-state and I get 729 (and that gives him all 170 from California). I calculate Romney’s burden among the unallocated delegates at 77%, Huckabee’s at 85%, and McCain’s at 38%. An extremely high bar, given the number of proportionally allocated states remaining, but we’re a ways from mathematical certitude yet.

flip on February 6, 2008 at 1:28 PM

What would happen if Romney/Newt jumped in 3rd party?

NTWR on February 6, 2008 at 1:28 PM

You can all blame yourselves for supporting Thompson instead of looking at the most plausible conservative candidate.

ROFL

Okay. So instead of voting for the candidate who actually spoke convincingly of his commitment to conservative principles, we should have — from the get-go — voted for the guy who only recently committed to them? Hilarious.

HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Stock up on your Impeach Clinton (again) bumper stickers. It’s going to be a long 4 years.

Vote Sauron 08 on February 6, 2008 at 1:29 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:24 PM

I’m an Ohio resident. I believe the law requires you to be 21 to get a conceal-carry license / buy a gun.

But I’m probably going to be out of state in college for several years anyway, so I would need reciprocity, which is hard to get if you’re not 21.

HYTEAndy on February 6, 2008 at 1:30 PM

flip, not sure what it will shake out to… but McCain had one hell of a night!

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:31 PM

And to think I used to respect Charlie Black …

Ali-Bubba on February 6, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Don’t blame me I voted for Kodos

Kevin43 on February 6, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Well, all you had to do is listen to the speeches last night. There was but ONE candidate who sounded presidential. ONE candidate with the optimism, ideas, and background similar to those of the great presidents of the past.

All the others were narcissistic fluffballs of cliches and nothingness.

I’d like to see a comparison of the transcripts of the various speeches last night.

NTWR on February 6, 2008 at 1:35 PM

Juan McFraud/HUCKabee ‘08… ugh… time for a second look at Hillary, yikes!

blahdy on February 6, 2008 at 1:35 PM

What would happen if Romney/Newt jumped in 3rd party?

NTWR on February 6, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Why do you want to weaken the United States?

Why do you want to possibly invite a Terrorist attack by getting rid of the patriot act of hillary is elected..

ignore, the WOT..

Do i need to sing the song ….?
Darryl Worley

Have You Forgotten?

I hear people saying we don’t need this war
But, I say there’s some things worth fighting for
What about our freedom and this piece of ground
We didn’t get to keep ‘em by backing down
They say we don’t realize the mess we’re getting in
Before you start your preaching let me ask you this my friend

Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
And you say we shouldn’t worry ’bout bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

Have you forgotten?
Have you forgotten?

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:37 PM

NTWR Newt is a disaster. He was cheating on his second wife with his secretary at the same time he was bloviating against Clinton in the impeachment thing. He’s also even more of a global warming freak than McCain.

The result of a 3rd party run? President Hil/Obama, and the end of either man’s future in the GOP.

Romney should run for Senate in 2010.

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 1:37 PM

HYTEAndy, oh you just said, “gun” in your first post..

You can but a Shotgun at age 18 I would imagine.

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:39 PM

Well needless to say I was depressed last night and this morning. I think it’s gonna be President Clinton. Again. McCain will not beat her. As horrible as that thought is, I am going to try and be optimistic and hope like hell she doesn’t do too much damage between ‘08 and ‘12. But it’s gonna be a tough 4 years folks.

jewells45 on February 6, 2008 at 1:39 PM

…third party…

That’s right, I said it.

regal on February 6, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Have you forgotten?

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:37 PM

The only thing some of the shrills seem to remember is their egos. Romney would be better bowing out gracefully and running for Senate in 2010, where he might actually have a chance of beating a Dem. The voters in MA love flip-floppers, especially on this scale.

He’s only got himself to blame: going after Fred on abortion, after Huck on stealth taxes, and Jonny Mac on amnesty was stupid when the staggering level of hypocrisy was obvious to all.

Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Update: What’s the likelihood of Mitt blowing McCain out in the remaining states?

I may be wrong here, but the only way forward I see for Mitt right now is to take enough delegates, with the help of conservative pundits, from now on to make sure McCain doesn’t have enough left for a clear victory then go to a brokered convention. I think it is a fruitless move since McCain and Huck will be vying for the same delegate states.

Also, IMHO, Mitt would seriously lose a brokered convention in a similar fashion as he lost the WV convention. So I think it is a waste of time and money. But that is the only way forward I can see for him.

bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 1:43 PM

The 173 delegates are awarded proportionally

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

calbear on February 6, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Oh, please. The only way McCain would have a chance is if he picked Rudy as his running mate. His unholy alliance and backdoor deals with Huckabee seems to limit that idea.

Don’t try to claim I’ve “forgotten” because I still want to take a stand for the conservatism that loathes the idea of having foreign nationals on US presidential hopefuls’ campaign staff.

Don’t try to say I’ve forgotten because I don’t want to have an unstable, vindictive man with his finger on the button, singing “bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.”

Don’t try to say I’ve forgotten because I don’t want to back a candidate who’s limited free speech, limited the 2nd amendment, limited the voice of the people he’s supposed to represent using loopholes.

And don’t try to say I’ve forgotten because I don’t think someone who wants an open border with Mexico, a country with Hamas infiltrators, is really interested in the security of our country.

NTWR on February 6, 2008 at 1:44 PM

It is the Republican party, not the conservative party. You are just a member. If you can’t be a good team member — out of the tent with you!!!

tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Like I wrote yesterday, the people get the government they deserve (or they deserve the government they get.) So I agree with you, buddy. Adios. Over and out.

JustTruth101 on February 6, 2008 at 1:46 PM

I just can’t stand the thought of listening to the cackle for the next 4 years :(

Biffstir on February 6, 2008 at 1:47 PM

A Romney/Newt ticket would only weaken the GOP and the chances of having a Republican (no matter how liberal-leaning) in the White House. I’ll take McCain over Obama or Clinton any day of the week, despite my lack of support in the primaries. I believe the majority of Repubs on this board will too. When it comes down to it, we’d rather have a more liberal-leaning McCain than anything the Dems have to offer.

Luckedout on February 6, 2008 at 1:47 PM

The only thing some of the shrills seem to remember is their egos. Romney would be better bowing out gracefully and running for Senate in 2010, where he might actually have a chance of beating a Dem. The voters in MA love flip-floppers, especially on this scale.

He’s only got himself to blame: going after Fred on abortion, after Huck on stealth taxes, and Jonny Mac on amnesty was stupid when the staggering level of hypocrisy was obvious to all.

Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 1:43 PM

I agree, Mitt would help himself HUGE if he were to withdraw
at CPAC, with an HONEST congratulatory concession speech to John McCain, Much like with what Rudy did..

Mitt needs to reach a wider audience.. bowing out gracefully at CPAC would help him, and out Party, and show that he is a Team Player.

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:48 PM

I agree, Mitt would help himself HUGE if he were to withdraw
at CPAC, with an HONEST congratulatory concession speech to John McCain, Much like with what Rudy did..

Mitt needs to reach a wider audience.. bowing out gracefully at CPAC would help him, and our Party, and show that he is a Team Player.

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:49 PM

And don’t try to say I’ve forgotten because I don’t think someone who wants an open border with Mexico, a country with Hamas infiltrators, is really interested in the security of our country.

NTWR on February 6, 2008 at 1:44 PM

See ‘Israel bombing’ of earlier this week…I completely agree with you.

Biffstir on February 6, 2008 at 1:49 PM

…third party…

That’s right, I said it.

regal on February 6, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Buh-bye.

Vizzini on February 6, 2008 at 1:51 PM

tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 12:59 PM

Remember when Rudy was simply America’s mayor? He was riding high. Then he was vetted and found too liberal for conservatives.

McCain hasn’t been vetted yet. He is simply America’s POW. Pretty soon he will be America’s Keating 5, shamnesty shill, class warfare and basic all around Washington insider.

We will see what happens, but I think you’ll find that once he is vetted, his unfortunate capture by the VC is not going to carry him through to the presidency.

csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Just noticed:

Mitt got 21 delegates from MA, McCain got 17. Maybe going there was not so stupid after all.

bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 1:54 PM

csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:51 PM

The jig is up, the people have spoken.

McCain is the Nominee, your Choice Hillary or McCain.

You want to commit suicide vote for Hillary.

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Just noticed:

Mitt got 21 delegates from MA, McCain got 17. Maybe going there was not so stupid after all.

bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Check our Alamaba on CNN looks like Huckabee and McCain split the delegates?

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:59 PM

McCain is the Nominee, your Choice Hillary or McCain.

McCain may be the GOP nominee, but the Democrats are most certainly still fighting over Obama and Hillary. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Barack win the nomination.

HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 2:00 PM

Alabama* even..

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:00 PM

You want to commit suicide vote for Hillary.

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Those who voted for McCain have already committed suicide for us. Thanks!

Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 2:01 PM

McCain hasn’t been vetted yet.

csdeven

Sure he has. This isn’t the first time he’s run for office. Remember the “vetting” he got from Carl Rove that knocked him out of the running in the 2000 primary ?

Rod on February 6, 2008 at 2:06 PM

Check our Alamaba on CNN looks like Huckabee and McCain split the delegates?

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Yep

bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 2:07 PM

CNN might be wrong… I thought AL was winner take all?

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Also, get off your high horse conservatives. It is the Republican party, not the conservative party. You are just a member. If you can’t be a good team member — out of the tent with you!!! It’s cold out there. Ask the remaining Bull Moosers.

tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM

So be it.

At least you’re honest.

I’d rather be told flat out that I don’t matter then be pandered to in the general election, and ignored once the candidate is in office. (That means you Schwarzenegger.)

Have fun in the general election without us.

And since it appears that one cannot criticize McCain on the issues without it being labeled a personal attack, I’ll let Michelle’s words do it for me:

“I’ll be on Fox in a few minutes to talk about the Super Tuesday results and the GOP with Linda Chavez, who argues that John McCain is the ‘ghost of Ronald Reagan.’

I can think of a lot of words. ‘Ghost’ is not the first that comes to mind.

Anyway, how are you all feeling this morning? Consider this a ’safe space’ (to borrow the P.C. campus term) to vent without being accused of suffering derangement syndrome, dyspepsia, or other maladies.”

“Segment’s over. There was no time to rebut Linda Chavez and Jon Scott. So I’ll say it here:

To call a GOP candidate who sneers at profits and denigrates businessmen and greedy corporations and crusades for a liberal, global warming agenda the best Reaganite heir is simply self-delusional.

To cite Reagan’s illegal alien amnesty, without noting that he stated firmly that a nation without borders is not a nation, is disingenuous.

And to omit the fact that John McCain has a Hispanic outreach staffer who believes in ‘Mexico First’ and the eradication of our borders–not to mention a national campaign finance co-chair who poured billions to fight against English instruction in the public schools–is dishonest.”

My final thoughts: It is what it is.

I have always wanted to like John McCain. I hope and pray that he decides to care about conservative principles in action, not just in word (not that there’s been much of “word” lately either, quite the opposite).

The coalition of those who 1) voted for him because he’s a vet (and they don’t care about or pay attention to anything else) , 2) people who feel as he does about amnesty, global warming, class warfare, taxes, and 3) those who actually feel that he’s a true conservative, and the Reagan heir apparent, all got their man.

I will take the entirety of now until November to decide if I can support him. (Uh oh, I’m criticizing him now.) A man who has shown such overt contempt for those who want the border fence built. (”F%#$ the fence!”) A man who has shown such contempt for people who wanted fair and full debate of the immigration reform bill in Congress. A man who tried to ram that bill through Congress without any of the usual oversight committees, or anyone examining what was actually in the bill. A man who thinks that someone who manages a corporation to succeed (”manage for profit” as he put it) is somehow stealing from the underprivileged in this country. (I’m still waiting to be convinced that that is Reaganism.) A man who, just by his demeanor, presents the air of someone who, if he doesn’t get what he wants, has no recourse but to personally attack and lash out. To his own colleagues in the Senate. (”Everyone has a McCain story.”) A man who, if he’s asked a direct question on a subject he doesn’t want to address, retreats to talking about his military service or his 80% lifetime conservative rating. (Just in fairness to McCain, I will look and see how they arrived at that number.) Dodging and ducking a question is the first skill a politician learns, but John McCain plays it to perfection.

My disappointment is tempered a bit by the reality that it will be hard for our party to hold on to the White House, no matter who we nominate. As has already been mentioned, the Dems are fired up, are outvoting us, and are motivated not just against us, but FOR their candidates. History is against us. Eight years of one party usually makes the electorate want change, any change. (If I never hear that word again, it’ll be too soon.)

It all is what it is. I’ve been told by the supporters of the soon-to-be Republican nominee that the principles of lower taxes, the rule of law, support for capitalism and business, strong border defense, and a government that stays out of the way (not one that imposes $0.50 gas taxes for carbon emissions), all of these do not matter. I’m an outdated relic of two decades ago, and I should just forget about it.

So I will.

There’s more to life than politics.

And as I have said all along: We will get the government we deserve.

With Hillary, Obama, or McCain.

Hawkins1701 on February 6, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Rod, you mean the illegitimate love child rumor? And to make it really work on the intended audience they had to make the mother….gasp….black? And the Ted Sampley smears? It worked in 2000, but it looks like that trash may not work this time around. I’m actually surprised.

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 2:10 PM

GO OBAMA!

F*&K McCain and all those who voted for him.

Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Mitt Romney may very well the most qualified, intelligent, accomplished and competent person to every run for President of the United States.

But the voters in this country are looking for something else.

This is proof the education system in this country is failing.

EJDolbow on February 6, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Don’t try to say I’ve forgotten because I don’t want to have an unstable, vindictive man with his finger on the button, singing “bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.”

In Mac’s words: get a life. Ever heard of a joke? Reagan used to tell them too.

Don’t try to say I’ve forgotten because I don’t want to back a candidate who’s limited free speech, limited the 2nd amendment,

Lies and BS. McCain has voted against gun control consistently in the Senate from the 94 Federal Assault weapons ban to the Brady Bill. Romney supported the Federal Assault weapons ban – but of course he’s allowed to change his mind at the last minute so we can forget his astonishing liberal record..

And don’t try to say I’ve forgotten because I don’t think someone who wants an open border with Mexico, a country with Hamas infiltrators, is really interested in the security of our country.

NTWR on February 6, 2008 at 1:44 PM

McCain does not and has never advocated an ‘open border with Mexico’. Period. Exit question: why did Romney defend McCain-Bush-Kennedy, say it was reasonable, and claim that those who opposed it were making a great mistake?

Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 2:13 PM

CNN might be wrong… I thought AL was winner take all?

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Nope AL is NOT winner take All..

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:14 PM

GO OBAMA!

F*&K McCain and all those who voted for him.

Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 2:11 PM

TROLL!!!!!!

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Don’t try to say I’ve forgotten because I don’t want to have an unstable, vindictive man with his finger on the button, singing “bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.”

In Mac’s words: get a life. Ever heard of a joke? Reagan used to tell them too.

Don’t try to say I’ve forgotten because I don’t want to back a candidate who’s limited free speech, limited the 2nd amendment,

Lies and BS. McCain has voted against gun control consistently in the Senate from the 94 Federal Assault weapons ban to the Brady Bill. Romney supported the Federal Assault weapons ban – but of course he’s allowed to change his mind at the last minute so we can forget his astonishing liberal record..

And don’t try to say I’ve forgotten because I don’t think someone who wants an open border with Mexico, a country with Hamas infiltrators, is really interested in the security of our country.

NTWR on February 6, 2008 at 1:44 PM

McCain does not and has never advocated an ‘open border with Mexico’. Period. Exit question: why did Romney defend McCain-Bush-Kennedy, say it was reasonable, and claim that those who opposed it were making a great mistake?

Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 2:15 PM

TROLL!!!!!!

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Pot… meet Kettle

SkinnerVic on February 6, 2008 at 2:17 PM

CNN might be wrong… I thought AL was winner take all?

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Winner take all by district (like CA):
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/AL-R.phtml

bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Of course, we can all hope that McCain does not clench it and we go into the convention undecided. All sorts of things could happen then.

Kafir on February 6, 2008 at 2:17 PM

You want to commit suicide vote for Hillary.

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Dude, get your head out. The dems are turning out 2 to 1 against the reps. With 70% of American’s against the war in Iraq, they will not vote for a guy who wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years and wants to bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. McVanity has nothing going for him to counter his negatives. Right now McPanderer is America’s POW. That is it. He will soon be exposed for the dishonest cheating lying Washington insider that he is.

He will not get the conservative vote unless he does more ass kissing that you say Mitt needs to do. He needs to start at CPAC. Conservatives are principled voters, not whores. McVanity must disavow his contemptuous actions towards conservatives. But we all know he wont do that. His love for himself wont let him and he will lose in a landslide in November.

And even though he is going to lose anyway (thanks to you and your ilk), he has no chance without the base of the party.

csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 2:17 PM

TROLL!!!!!!

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:15 PM

LOL! What a loser. How long you been registered on HotAir? I’ve been here since the first week. It’s far more likely that you’re the troll, being that you’re in here actively campaigning for the destruction of the GOP.

Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Rod on February 6, 2008 at 2:06 PM

Holy Criminy! What decade are you living in? Bush tax cuts? Shamnesty? Alito? Plus all the rest will be dragged out again.

Dude. DUDE!

csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Mitt Romney may very well the most qualified, intelligent, accomplished and competent person to every run for President of the United States.

Hmm. Mitt Romney v. Thomas Jefferson. Sorry Jeffo you lose.

The present delusions in the GOP are worse than thought.

Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Dude, McCain hired Juan Hernandez. That association alone proves he has no credibility on:

A) Securing the borders
B) Attrition through Enforcement

John McCain may now be talking like a conservative, but a jabroni is as a jabroni does.

HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Winner take all by district (like CA):
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/AL-R.phtml

bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Yep, thats the website that I looked that, lots of good info..

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Tuesday 5 February 2008: 45 of 48 of Alabama’s delegates to the Republican National Convention are allocated to presidential contenders in today’s Alabama Presidential Primary.

* 21 district delegates are to be allocated to presidential contenders based on the primary results in each of the 7 congressional districts: each congressional district is assigned 3 National Convention delegates. These delegates are allocated to the presidential contenders as follows:
o If a candidate receives a majority of the vote (more than 50%), that candidate is allocated all 3 of the district’s delegates.
o If only one candidate receives 15% or more of the vote, that candidates is allocated all 3 of the district’s delegates.
o If no candidate receives a majority of the vote, the candidate with the plurality (most votes) is allocated 2 delegates and the candidate with the next highest number of votes is allocated 1 delegate.
* 24 at-large delegates are to be proportionally allocated to the presidential contenders based on the statewide primary results. A mandatory 15 percent threshold is required in order for a presidential contender to be allocated National Convention delegates at the statewide level.
o Round the delegate allocations to the nearest whole number. If the rounding allocates too few delegates, the candidate with the largest statewide vote is receives the remaining delegate(s). If the rounding allocates too many delegates, the candidate receiving the smallest statewide vote looses as many delegates as necessary.

In addition, 3 party leaders, the National Committeeman, the National Committeewoman, and the chairman of the Alabama’s Republican Party, will attend the convention as unpledged delegates by virtue of their position.

Each delegate’s name appears on the ballot below the candidate’s name unless the delegate is unopposed.

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:25 PM

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/AL-R.phtml#0205

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:26 PM

We will see what happens, but I think you’ll find that once he is vetted, his unfortunate capture by the VC is not going to carry him through to the presidency.

csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:51 PM

The last ditch effort…
The only thing that would sink McCain, is if he was caught driving a red truck.
Dream on, the Dems want him, they wanted Mitt, both just as easy to defeat.
We just didn’t have the “horsepower” this election. We never had a conservative with muscle. We barely had a conservative period.
But one thing is certain…I was right that Mitt is unelectable in a national election. But even I was shocked by how poorly he did. Meanwhile, rather then seeking out and supporting a real candidate, he took millions of campaign money and flushed it down the toilet…what a waste.

right2bright on February 6, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Hernandez is hispanic outreach director; he has not been appointed to a policy position. I do think McCain should get rid of him, but it is delusional to think that he makes policy any more than Matt Elliot made Romney’s.

Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 2:31 PM

I just can’t stand the thought of listening to the cackle for the next 4 years :(

Biffstir on February 6, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Mega-dittoes on that one.

CP on February 6, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Hernandez is hispanic slime-ball…

Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 2:31 PM

You seem to have made a mistake…you insulted a lot of Hispanics.

right2bright on February 6, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Chakra, haysoos kristo that’s complimicated. Why on earth….oh well.

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Really all I can hope for now is a good independent candidate that I can vote for in good conscious. Otherwise, I won’t be voting. Just the thought of having to choose between McCain and Hilary/Obama makes me want to puke. I must say, good luck to McCain, trying to win without the Republican base. He is going to get creamed. Maybe then the Republican party will see that they can’t stick it to us and then expect us to get in line behind them.

Trtle2001 on February 6, 2008 at 2:34 PM

He pulls Huck aside, the deal is done, and he gets the Huck faction in return for promising him the bottom of the ticket.

But then Romney, businessman that he is, offers Huck the Presidency with Romney as VP. Surely Huck could swallow his Romney hate for that prize. McCain counters by offering Huck the top slot, with McCain as VP. Romney then offers his delegates to McCain with McCain on the top of the ticket. After a few more iterations, each of them has an offer at the top of the ticket, but none of them can close the deal, because of the competing offers.

And that’s where Lincoln or Harding step in.

a4g on February 6, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Conservatives are principled voters, not whores. of the party.

csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 2:17 PM

If that were true, they *never* would have supported Romney. If that were true, neither Romney nor McCain nor Huckabee would ever have gained traction.

Conservatives have lost precisely because they chose not to remain true to their principles.

Conservatives have been proven not only to be whores … but whores with inconsistent ideals and astoundingly bad judgment.

To claim conservatives have behaved principally now that your unprincipled choice has lost … is remarkably dense. And truly funny.

Professor Blather on February 6, 2008 at 2:35 PM

*conscience*, sorry

Trtle2001 on February 6, 2008 at 2:36 PM

The beauty of this is that McCain and his deluded supporters will have to cozy up to the conservative ass and start smooching it like there is no tomorrow. He will not win without us and his only chance at winning come November is to dive into the conservative butt cheeks with all the vim and vigor that he used during his shamnesty efforts.

Get the popcorn. This is gonna be fun to watch. :-)

csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 2:36 PM

John Adams? Anybody read the recent books about him? Hell, John Quincy Adams? George Washington?

What a steaming pile of bullshit…Romney is more intelligent and accomplished than those guys?

Read a biography of Teddy Roosevelt. The man was amazing, even though he went all populist in his later years.

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 2:36 PM

All that does is lock up the VP nomination for Huckabee, though, doesn’t it? Maverick goes to the convention with, say, 1,000 delegates needing 191 more to win. He pulls Huck aside, the deal is done, and he gets the Huck faction in return for promising him the bottom of the ticket.

Yea, and he doesn’t have to give him the bottom of the ticket either. There is no way Mitt survives on top of a brokered convention.

bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Professor Blather HEAR, HEAR!

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Update: Reader James P. turns Charlie Black’s logic around in an e-mail…

James assumes that they both want to play spoiler, which not only is a bit cynical but exceedingly unlikely; if Mitt throws his votes to McCain tomorrow, it will no doubt be preconditioned on McCain not taking Mitt’s arch-enemy as VP, which Maverick will oblige. Mav doesn’t need Huckabee and can win the South without him. VP nod will go to a northeasterner, with Mitt carrying the conservative banner on the coasts and upper Midwest and Huck replacing the Dobson-Robertson cabal as the dominant spiritual and political leader of evangelicals in the South.

Vizzini on February 6, 2008 at 2:40 PM

jwp, uh, I think that was the face of the abortion-obsession that has really harmed the GOP. Thompson got the endorsement from NRL, but was that enough for tommylotto and other Operation Rescue types. NO WAY. They wouldn’t support Fred!, who had a chance to unify the party….too impure.

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Dude, you couldn’t be more wrong about me. I’m a pro-choice Rudy supporter. I actually liked most of Fred’s rhetoric, but that was all he was. Jeri read Ace, MM and Hot Air, came up with a bunch of talking points and turned it into a campaign. Fred did not have the experience to run for POTUS and the experience he had was the bad kind — lobbying for scumbags, legal advice for terrorists, making open border deals with Spencer Abraham. His voting record in the Senate was not any better than McCain’s record. Plus, Fred lied about being pro-life when he was actually pro-choice. I’m glad he is pro-choice, but I can’t have a candidate bold facing lying and get away with it. Fred was a fake conservative and the fact that everyone was buying his BS around here was nauseating.

You are right however that the Republican Party screwed itself with its obsession with abortion. The Repubs had a good candidate in Rudy, but they refused to coalesce around him because of concerns about social issues — as if social issues means a rat’s butt. It was Rudy’s demise that allowed McCain’s resurgence. If you want to point to the problem, it is the conservatives hostility to Rudy that gave them McCain. Enjoy…

tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 2:43 PM

My God. It had to be an attempt at irony, parody of the Mittbots. Right?

Mitt Romney may very well the most qualified, intelligent, accomplished and competent person to every run for President of the United States.

But the voters in this country are looking for something else.

This is proof the education system in this country is failing.

EJDolbow on February 6, 2008 at 2:12 PM

John Adams? George Washington? Abraham Lincoln? Theodore Roosevelt? Hell, Zachary Taylor? Dwight D Eisenhower? Ronald Reagan?

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 2:43 PM

tommylotto, holy shiite batman, I agree with your 2:43 post.

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 2:45 PM

Pat Robertson, to his credit, endorsed Rudy Giuliani. Dobson was the blow-hard who said he wouldn’t vote for Rudy or McCain. And that Fred! wasn’t a Christian.

funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 2:47 PM

right2bright on February 6, 2008 at 2:28 PM

You and blather are deluding yourselves. Notice how McLiarLiarPantsOnFire had to have HuckaBigots help to derail Mitt? McVanity can’t get conservative votes and HuckaBigot only gets the evangelical vote. This is why you McShamnesty lackeys are talking about a McLiar/HuckaBigot ticket.

You put Mitt in a general and he gets the conservatives. And also the moderate and liberal republican whores because they have no principles except the party. They will vote the rep ticket. Mitt has more cross over appeal to the middle of the road dems.

In a general election, McCain will never get the conservatives unless he saunters up to the conservative butt cheeks and starts kissing them. Huck in a general would be shunned because he is a religious gibot.

But, alas, we have McShamnesty for our nominee and he, and the rest of you McLiar shills, better get busy kissing our conservative asses if you want any chance to win in November. But, I don’t see that happening. You are not conservatives and will run to the dems for your support.

csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 2:49 PM

* TOTAL DELEGATES

John McCain 680

Mitt Romney 270

Mike Huckabee 176

Ron Paul 16

Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Conservatives have lost precisely because they chose not to remain true to their principles.
Conservatives have been proven not only to be whores … but whores with inconsistent ideals and astoundingly bad judgment.
To claim conservatives have behaved principally now that your unprincipled choice has lost … is remarkably dense. And truly funny.

Professor Blather on February 6, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Spot on. These so-called conservatives who would rather vote for President Hillary/Obama than the GOP’s nominee. I suspect the chief reason Jonny Mac may be in trouble in November will be because he has to choose Huck as his Veep. Huck is a decent man, but he seems to be repugnant to both independents and hardliners, and does even worse than Romney in match-ups with the Dems. It would have been better to have chosen Romney, but the slimeball has thrown poison in so many directions that this looks impossible.

Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 2:51 PM

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