McCain to get 95% of California’s delegates? Update: McCain all but clinches mathematically? Update: Brokered convention?
posted at 11:50 am on February 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I nodded at this in the Scarborough post but it’s a big enough deal to warrant its own thread. 42-34 is the (almost) final tally from Cali this morning. The 173 delegates are awarded proportionally, which means roughly 70 for Maverick and 60 for Mitt, right? Wrong. Proportionality in this case means winner-take-all by district, so those delegate estimates work only if McCain and Romney take 42% and 34% of the state’s districts. They’re 53 separate little primaries; the statewide popular vote is largely meaningless.
So how’d they do by district? If you saw the earlier thread, you already know. We’re looking at a delegate breakdown closer to 160-10, which qualifies as, shall we say, an objectively bad day for Mitt Romney, even among serious analysts whose pundit fu is, of course, to be trusted. It has, at last, come to this.
Update: CNN puts Maverick at 615 delegates but with only 56 in his column thus far from California. Team McCain says the real number is closer to 775. Which means…
Speaking with reporters today, McCain adviser Charlie Black said, “To date, we have 775 delegates, Romney has 284, Huckabee has 205. It takes 1,191 to clinch the nomination. There are 963 left to be chosen, so Romney or Huckabee would have to have all of them — all of them — to get to 1,191. Now you can’t do that because a majority of those 963 are chosen in proportional primaries, which means you’d have to get 100% if the vote to get them all.
Update: What’s the likelihood of Mitt blowing McCain out in the remaining states?
[N]early half the coming reaces are open contests — those that allow Democrats and independents in which McCain has fared well. “To make things worse for Mitt, the open contests are in larger states (Ohio, Texas, Indiana).
Update: CPAC may be Romney’s last hurrah.
Update: Reader James P. turns Charlie Black’s logic around in an e-mail:
All Mitt (and Huckabee) need to do to deny McCain enough delegates to win the nomination is win 547 of the remaining 963 delegates – roughly 57%. Which means it will go to the convention, where anything can happen. Given that around 66% of Republicans voted for someone other than McCain last night, it’s not out of the question, especially given most of the upcoming contests are awarded on a proportional basis and McCain won’t be taking primaries outright (like he did last night).
All that does is lock up the VP nomination for Huckabee, though, doesn’t it? Maverick goes to the convention with, say, 1,000 delegates needing 191 more to win. He pulls Huck aside, the deal is done, and he gets the Huck faction in return for promising him the bottom of the ticket.
Update: Noam Askew tries to game out a brokered convention. Not all delegates are bound to the candidate they’re pledged to, he reminds us, a fact very much in Romney’s mind right now.
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Yeah. And this after the polls showed Romney winning California by 7%.
Trust it people. Your vote means something.
DOH!
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Feel like 1976 to anyone else?
Ludwig on February 6, 2008 at 11:53 AM
How `bout them Patriots?
ninjapirate on February 6, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Hypothetical: A November election with Hillary (D), McCain (R), and Romney (I). My money is that it would be closer than the D’s and R’s would like to admit.
Sugar Land on February 6, 2008 at 11:54 AM
The Republican Party
March 20th 1854 to February 5th 2008.
Congratulations on making America into a one party system by putting Democrats on both tickets. Hope you are proud of yourselves.
highhopes on February 6, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Maybe Romney’s mistake was that he competed in the state of California. Maybe he should have competed in the district around, say, Burroughs High School in Burbank.
Christoph on February 6, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Is there still a “Conservative Party”? Where do I sign up?
Gartrip on February 6, 2008 at 11:57 AM
oy, what’s a conservative to do now? Anyone? Bueller?
rhinoishere on February 6, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Looking at results on each county primary:
Huckabee was the difference maker in many of the counties in CA. John is almost done with you Mike.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Nah. 1996.
Although, at least we won’t get a weak, Bush-like “compassionate conservative” Republican in 2012.
That folly (Prescription Drug Boondoggle) won’t flush twice.
Work for a real Republican (lower taxes, stronger defense, smaller government, secure borders) on 2012.
The Party has thrown it away this time on McDole.
profitsbeard on February 6, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Beats me. I was four.
It’s over for Romney. When you’ve lost your near-pathologically loyal fan , you’ve lost the nomination.
Slublog on February 6, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Chin up mittheads. It could be worse, you could be a Ron Paul suppoter. Who was beat by Rudy Giuliani in CA.
Complete7 on February 6, 2008 at 11:59 AM
I, for one, welcome our new democratic overloards! I wont have to worry about that pesky extra money, I wont have to decide on what talk radio to listen to, I’ll have twenty million new friends….. its a great day!
mo_gunslinger on February 6, 2008 at 12:00 PM
All right, I’m done. First Fred!, now the baseball Mitt. This is all really bad for my digestion. Somebody give me a ring when this is all sorted out and let me know who’s left to vote for. And by the looks of it, I do mean Left.
Big Daddy Cool on February 6, 2008 at 12:00 PM
What did you expect, it Kalifornia.
kcd on February 6, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Fellow conservatives, it’s time to start talking about who we want in 2012. Will Romney be our front runner? Or do we have some youngins waiting in the back? Lets have some names.
rhinoishere on February 6, 2008 at 12:01 PM
csdeven sheads a single tear.
- The Cat
MirCat on February 6, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Now that the CA Primary is over it’s time to re-register as an Independent.
Who is going to form The New Conservative Party? I’ll be patiently waiting.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 12:02 PM
I feel so sick today. I know McCain would be “better” than Hillary, but the thought of him makes me ill. How did he get from the bottom to where he is now? Why did Rudy drop out so fast? Why was WV allowed to recount? Why do I feel like I’m living in a bad movie and there’s now way out?
I’ve heard politics is a dirty business. Maybe I should bury my head in the sand rather than let it upset me, which it does. I can’t do a thing about it. It really robs you of peace, don’t you think?
Conservatives R Us on February 6, 2008 at 12:02 PM
I was only 12, but despite the fact that I didn’t have a full understading of what was going on, it does have an eerily similar feel.
I think this post would be a great place for AP to use the “Game Over, Man” tagline.
Just remember to vote for your conservative Senators/Reps where you have a chance to do so – we’re going to need all of them we can get.
thirteen28 on February 6, 2008 at 12:03 PM
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Send a flare when you find out. Me and my fragmented party here will come running.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Maybe it’s time for conservatives to reach out to McCain?
bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 12:04 PM
So does this mean that the Texas primary will actually matter?
pullingmyhairout on February 6, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Yah, right – that’ll happen – Romney being such a rock-ribbed ideological trench fighter from way back… at least since the end of last week (if not necessarily by this afternoon).
CK MacLeod on February 6, 2008 at 12:05 PM
RIP GOP.
voiceofreason on February 6, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Romney’s not a conservative. LOL goodness.
DeMint, Duncan Hunter, Tom Coburn, Bob Riley, Haley Barbour, Bobby Jindal (if he can make Louisiana livable, he’s a miracle worker), there are actually good conservative choices.
Romney would be a wonderful Senator from the state of Massachusetts. He’s a moderate decent human being which makes him only about ten thousand times better than J F Kerry.
Please Mitt, you can beat Kerry. Please.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 12:06 PM
rhinoishere-
Romney can tact farther toward winning the “ain’t Mormons been thinkin’ Jesus was Satan’s brother” crowd by 2012, and have a decent chance at a Reagan-esque revival, since he has now come out of nowhere to almost beat the annointed Republican loser, McDole.
No one else showed as much energy for the fight.
Or less weaseling (Huck) or lying (Mac).
Tancredo, Hunter, Fred, etc. don’t have the juice or the savvy or the salesmanship.
profitsbeard on February 6, 2008 at 12:06 PM
No. It feels like the 1919 World Series.
The fix is in.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 6, 2008 at 12:07 PM
If out of false hope, stubbornness or spite both Romney and Huckabee stay in till the end and split the vote enough that McCain doesn’t get the necessary 1191 delegates- what then? If Huckabee or Romney then drop out, could they pledge their delegates to McCain?
Last week I was hoping for a brokered convention to generate some much needed intra-party debate and discussion, but now I’m finding myself wanting this just to be over after a year of primary campaigns.
Hollowpoint on February 6, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Jim DeMint from South Carolina comes to mind. Looks like I’ll be voting for the local issuses only this Nov. I will not vote for that rino McIdiot.
limowilliam on February 6, 2008 at 12:07 PM
If you don’t vote for John, you’re a nativist and hate brown skinned people. There is no other explanation.
a capella on February 6, 2008 at 12:07 PM
the Conservative Party is full of Paulian types. I wouldn’t recommend hitching your wagon over there.
Hell, maybe McCain should just rescue Bobby Jindal from the swamp now, and pick him for veep. Then Jindal would be set up to be POTUS in 4 years if McCain gets sick or in 8 years.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Romney/Santorum 2012!
kcd on February 6, 2008 at 12:09 PM
I think conservatism is almost officially dead. We live in a country where the remaining two parties are so close in nature they only argue over what programs they will create to buy ever more votes with tax payer money.
I feel like quite a dinosaur and out of touch with at least 90% of our country…it’s over. Heading for the ranch waiting for the end. I won’t hold my breath waiting for a conservative…there aren’t any left in politics…the country and what was once the party I belonged to have moved on…
jwp1964 on February 6, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Everyone:
Allah linked to Hugh Hewlett above. If you haven’t read what he wrote, I would recommend it:
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/b7d8fd20-1313-4229-a4a7-5325a3815908
Laura Ingraham said something similar last night on Fox.
bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 12:10 PM
What makes you think that? There’s now absolutely no reason for the Republican Party to move back to the right. Republican voters have made it perfectly clear that we’re the most gullible voters in the country. Republican voters have sent a strong message that we are NOT conservative and that we will REJECT all conservative candidates.
So tell me again why candidates are going to be motivated to move to the right?
Also, who thinks those phone calls and faxes are going to work next time McCain tries to push shamnesty through?
They worked last time because Republican Senators and Congressman believed that voters would end their careers, but what happens instead? Republican voters REWARD the biggest shamnesty a$$ of them all by nominating him for President.
And now, those same voters are going to elect the guy President?
Good job morons. Way to make a statement.
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 12:10 PM
I believe he referred to us as “loud folks” during the shamnesty debacle in which he tried to avoid study and debate of the bill. Sure, I’ll reach out.
a capella on February 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM
LOL! There you go. Go right back to the RINO for 2012. Way to learn the lesson.
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 12:12 PM
No.
As I just posted else where:
Stop asking the abused to make things right for the abuser.
Voidseeker on February 6, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Ouch. Cue the “b-b-but he can’t win!1!!” sputtering and the finger-wagging about what bad people the McCain voters are.
You guys have to realize this kind of rhetoric only makes people want to vote for McCain just to stick a finger in your eye. I don’t even like McCain and he’s better by the day – and I haven’t voted yet.
amkun on February 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Maybe, but there really wasn’t enough time to do a district by district campaign and all that entails. Water under the bridge now.
His main problem was that he tried to be everything to everybody, but convincing few in the process. He should’ve run as Mitt Romney rather than the focus group and advisor created invention that didn’t exist before he started his campaign.
Hollowpoint on February 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Maybe it’s time for you to go to Hell
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Will do. I voted for Fred! yesterday since he was still on the ballot, so my conservative principles are firmly intact. I’ve pretty much written off the GOP at this point. If the supposedly conservative party is actually composed of people who find Huckabee and McCain appealing then it’s not a party worthy of survival.
The Democrats must be salivating over the opportunity to face McCain in November. He’s going to have very little money to work with and a fractured party. It’s going to be a bloodbath.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Thats not happening. McCain has made Huckabee a promise that he has no intention of keeping,”Stay in the race, pull votes from Romney, and you get the VP spot”. This will force Romney out. As soon as Romney is out, McCain drops Huckabee like a hot potato. I WISH a brokered convention was looming, but alas….it is not so.
kcd on February 6, 2008 at 12:15 PM
From a purely analytical POV, this has to be one of the biggest and most unlikely, comebacks in history. He was hours away from being forced to withdraw due to lack of support and money. Amazing. If anything, it gives people a reason to fight on.
TheBigOldDog on February 6, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Conservatives R Us Rudy wasn’t going to be the nominee. He didn’t convert to a pro-life position (even though he wrote eloquently about nominating conservative SCOTUS folks). He saw the handwriting on the wall after Florida. Why keep chasing something and fighting for something that will never happen?
I’m stunned that McCain is suddenly the front-runner. I guess you have to chalk it up to perserverance? Lots of people admire perserverance in a person? I now support McCain for POTUS. He will probably be the nominee and thus has my support and my vote in November.
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Time to get behind McCain people. Hate to say it. But let the democrats kill themselves for a few more months. Find something you like about McCain and latch onto it. He’s the nominee. Suck it up and take it like a man.
lorien1973 on February 6, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Actually, no, they’re not. McCain has no chance to win, baring the assassination of his opponent in the General maybe.
Newer polls already show him losing to either Dem, and the MSM has not even started to turn on him yet. He will lose by over 25% in the general.
Voidseeker on February 6, 2008 at 12:16 PM
I am almost disinterested in politics right now. I plan to make as much money as I can and screw everybody else. I’ll take my money and hide it the same way the Kennedy’s and Pelosi’s do. What a joke we (GOP) have become.
Theworldisnotenough on February 6, 2008 at 12:16 PM
In San Diego, the Radio Mayor, Roger Hedgecock, received upwards of 30 reports of lifelong Republicans showing up to vote, only to be told that their registration had somehow shifted to Independent status. I’ll listen today to see what the final tally of these stories were, because the reports just kept coming in.
Thus, these voters were unable to vote in the Republican primary.
The County Registrar supervisor this morning only would say that this is a “learning experience for everyone”.
I usually leave the cries of voter fraud to the Dems, but there were way too many cases of this for it to be an isolated incident.
An investigation needs to be launched, and someone needs to pay. With their job.
We all know if the Dems had a closed party primary in CA, and the shoe were on the other foot, this would be all over the MSM.
But it’s not. And we know why.
This would make diddly squat difference in the outcome for my preferred candidate, but I don’t like to see Republican voters screwed. (To be sure, I don’t like to see ANY voter get screwed.) And I would have been livid if this had happened to me. (Thank God for absentee.)
Yesterday just quashed my illusions all around. Even the illusion of the integrity of the system.
Hawkins1701 on February 6, 2008 at 12:16 PM
You’re right about that, Gregor.
Grooming Mitt for another run is just insanity. Sure, he was the last remaining pseudo-conservative in the field, but he hasn’t exactly impressed the GOP voters. Four years is not enough time to make a guy like Mitt popular.
If the GOP can’t get a conservative nominated then why should conservatives be a part of the GOP?
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 12:16 PM
You assume McCain cares about the GOP. Why in the world would he help Jindal get set up? Jindal stands for everything John hates. He isn’t going to structure the RNC to help conservatives. forget it.
a capella on February 6, 2008 at 12:17 PM
We will rue the day we let the RINO’s take over the party. This will be a grim milestone in the decline of Western Civilization. To those of you who voted for McAmnesty, I hope you are happy with yourselves.
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Gawd.
Vizzini on February 6, 2008 at 12:19 PM
SECOND LOOK AT… well.. everything.
GoodBoy on February 6, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Why do people say this?
Is no one watching what is going on over on the Dem side of things? The only ones beating on people are the Clintons and they are putting a stop to that fast. The Democrat voters are almost in a love fest over the chance to make history with either of their candidates. The second Hillary or Obama gets the nomination everything becomes water under the bridge for that party.
The Dems have the money, they have the energy, they have candidates the Democrat base is excited to vote FOR (not against GOP), and they will close ranks in a heartbeat once they know who is their nominee.
They are not “killing themselves” at all, they are just putting in an extra hard workout down at Golds Political Gym.
Voidseeker on February 6, 2008 at 12:24 PM
lol
funky chicken on February 6, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Which is exactly why nation-wide polls about the election are completely meaningless, seeing as how there are 50 states that each have their own elections, and own “delegates” in the Electoral College.
This begs the question: why does anyone care about national polls when it comes to the presidential election?
Seixon on February 6, 2008 at 12:25 PM
bnelson44 – I know your heart’s in the right place, but all of the grown-ups already knew that stuff about the Supreme Court and that little war thing.
As for the rest, if people prefer to remain toddlers rather than take their place among the big kids, there’s not much you can do about it.
Toddlers may respond violently if their toys or treats are taken from them, don’t understand the concepts of sharing or fairness, are as likely to respond with a tantrum as to give in, and don’t anticipate or care about the consequences of their actions. If you don’t believe in corporal punishment or aversive conditioning – and much of the reaction to last night’s butt-spanking on national TV suggests the limitations of that approach – the only thing left is temporary segregation from the other boys and girls – a “time out.”
The good thing is that their little undeveloped nervous systems usually don’t hold onto a mood for very long. In those cases it will be best to treat whatever misbehavior as though it never happened – that’s the reality for them anyway.
The special cases may require professional help. Luckily, we live in a society that doesn’t practice euthanasia – though I confess sometimes it looks like an appealing option.
CK MacLeod on February 6, 2008 at 12:26 PM
McCain-Hutchison (as in Kathyrn Ann Bailey Hutchison) — no downside for her — if they lose, she keeps her Senate seat. If she wins, first female VP. Plus — she ensures that McCain would take Texas in the general (32 electoral votes, 3rd largest electoral vote state.)
SunSword on February 6, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Regardless of whether or not he “wins” the general, my point is valid. My point is that REPUBLICANS are going to vote to reward the man who told them all to go to Hell. The same voters who threated to take his job away for flipping us off, are now going to vote to reward him by making him President.
Brilliant!
Gregor on February 6, 2008 at 12:27 PM
I was sounding this horn awhile back. Proportional by congressional district is strange. If you get three of the five Republicans in Pelosi’s district, it is as good as getting 15,000 votes in Duncan Hunter’s district. It actually incentivizes campaigning in Democratic areas and disincentivizes campaigning in Republican areas. It also means that a left leaning Republican could win the majority of the delegates with a relatively small minority of the popular votes. It also means that a left leaning Republican who gets a majority could practically win all the delegates. Yep. That is what happened.
tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Even if not completely accurate (they can’t be), they still provide a pretty good idea of where things stand. Before Super Tuesday, they showed McCain in the lead, Romney second, Huckabee third. Based on state by state polls, it was predicted that McCain would end up with somewhere around 600 delegates. They weren’t that far off.
Hollowpoint on February 6, 2008 at 12:29 PM
There were a lot of very close races in California. A 2% swing and Mitt wins lots of them. HuckaGibot did his job. Give the nomination to McShamnesty.
I wonder if McAntiFreeSpeech, will sign a CFR bill that will eliminate the type of religious organizing that allowed HuckaGibot to stay in the race?
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Has the self-immolation begun yet? The meme’s out…
Vizzini on February 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Also, get off your high horse conservatives. It is the Republican party, not the conservative party. You are just a member. If you can’t be a good team member — out of the tent with you!!! It’s cold out there. Ask the remaining Bull Moosers.
tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Ahhh, banality incarnate rears his head.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Rudy is Da Man!
Best One the was in the race by far!
That said, GO Johnny Mac!
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Seriously laugh out loud drivel right there.
Thanks, I needed a good laugh. Although it was at you and your inane post versus the those you were directing yours insults at.
And don’t worry, the real adults, who actually understand what is going on and how the “chess game” for POTUS is going to play out until Nov, already know that McCain is done.
But feel free to live in your make believe world where McCain can get elected if “the conservatives just ‘grow up’, forgive and forget, and reach out to McCain”.
Voidseeker on February 6, 2008 at 12:33 PM
jwp1964
jwp, No way is conservatism dead. The republican party may have changed irreversably, and we may need to find a new party, but conservatism cannot itself be killed. The ideas of less government, low taxes and strong national defense are ideas with which most thinking people in this country agree.
rhinoishere on February 6, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Appropriate screen name. Congratulations!
CK MacLeod on February 6, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Time to brainstorm: Assume McCain gets the GOP nomination, thanks to a bunch of know-nothings (and not the good kind), independents, and a media who duped millions of people. Let’s go with worst-case scenario: It’s McCain and open-borders Brownback (substitute whomever you’d like for VP).
Right now, the system wants to shackle us to McCain. Luckily, the system only works when we listen. Which leads me to these questions:
Who’s our write-in, or to which third-party will we turn?
emailnuevo on February 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Yet conservatism is what kept The Big Tent upright! Without it there is no tent. That’s the point, tommylotto. It’s not the conservatives who threw a wrench in the works. It’s the fawning Huckabots and the McCanaanites.
McCain stands absolutely no chance of beating Hillary or Barack. That is something I am absolutely convinced of.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Hewitt is being consistent – he said all along that he would support the nominee. It’s a bitter pill to swallow however.
juanito on February 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM
It would seem to me that the rest of Team GOP wants to leave the house Conservatives built to go back to the tent they were in for 40 years. Have at it moderates, we will be just fine in our personal lives regardless. Call us back up when you get tired of being a minority in DC and would actually like to win again.
Voidseeker on February 6, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Fred! as a write-in. A new party takes a great deal of time and effort to form and none of the existing third parties are very attractive.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Good gawd the doom and gloom emanating from posters and commenters is asphyxiating me.
Get out from behind your keyboards and go OUT and DO something for the conservative movement. TAKE ACTION, actively support your local conservatives, don’t just type about it how we are doomed until 2012. Join your local GOP and work to make the party more conservative.
I’ve been for Romney for 3 years and voted for him last night, and my only regret is that I didn’t get OUT and ACTIVELY CAMPAIGN AND SUPPORT HIM.
This is possibly my last post here for a while. I’m not a regular, but have been commenting occasionally for some time now. I’ll check back in with you folks for a quick read from time to time, and then take a closer look and see how you are doing end of October.
I leave you with:
Brat on February 6, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Well said, Brat.
rhinoishere on February 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Again, thanks for the laugh. No understanding of religion or meditation on your part as well I see. That list of things just keeps growing.
Voidseeker on February 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Gregor I have no intention of voting for McIdiot ever. If he is chosen I will vote local issues only. It doesn’t matter who wins between McIdiot or the Dems either way this country will be screwed.
limowilliam on February 6, 2008 at 12:43 PM
One more thing…today would have been Ronald Reagan’s 97th birthday.
I suggest all of you go read some of his speeches or a book about him. Maybe you can get back some of the optimism you lost yesterday.
Brat on February 6, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Being out of the MSM’s eye allowed him to sneak past the vetting process that the rest of the candidates had to endure. That was my fear all along.
I welcomed every single negative report about every single candidate so we would have a choice between all vetted candidates. As it is, we have a vetted Mitt, who is the best choice to unite all parts of the party, and McLiar who has not been vetted. Well, you McShamnesty shills, get ready for the vetting process to begin. Obama and Hillary have staved off all the negativity and it’s all old news. McCranky will now be vetted just a few months before the election and all his sins will be front and center.
Keating 5. His moms bigotry. His wife stealing drugs. He wants to be in Iraq for 100 years and he wants to bomb Iran. He wants the borders open and wants Americans to unilaterally bear the financial burden of global warming. Class warfare.
All that will be in the minds of republicans when deciding if they will show up in November. Meanwhile, the democrats are coming out 2 to 1 to support the candidate that doesn’t want to bomb Iran and want to get out of Iraq.
Congratulations you McLunitics. You just guaranteed a loss for this country.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM
funky, I find myself wondering who will want to be McCain’s veep. He may do for his veep what Dole did for Kemp.
The more politically astute may feel free to correct me.
Duncan Khuver on February 6, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Now that is f’in hysterical. Fred rears his ugly head again. I just can’t get enough of that phony conservative, pro-choice, career lobbyist, moonshiner chasin’, terrorist enablin’, campaign fund thief. The kinda dunderheads who think Fred was a good candidate are just the kind of numb nuts who would over inflate their own purpose, believe the nonsense about McCain and think Hillary would be better. The same kind of ignoramuses that gave the NRL endorsement to Fred because he opposes the Life Amendment, opposes criminal sanctions for abortionists and has no chance to win. The bulbs in the good conservatives’ heads are not too bright these days.
tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Where’s Bloomberg when you need him? /sarc
Oh that’s right – Bloomie said he’d only joint the fracus if there was a far-right-R and a far-left-D, not when they’re both lefties…
I have a theory:
Internet/Cable Republicans hate McCain
Newspaper/broadcast Republicans love McCain
What’s the percentage of internet/cable saturation in the US?
rockbend on February 6, 2008 at 12:50 PM
All I heard was “blah blah blah blah,” tommylotto.
Everyone knows that you hate Fred! and resort to absurd hyperbole whenever his name shows up. Guess what? Nobody cares what you think. Fred! is still an appealing candidate who talked the talk. He looked forceful and presidential and, most importantly, he demonstrated that he was offering his service to the country. He was not actively seeking power but rather seeking public service.
So continue to demonize the guy for his imperfections — and, by all means, continue to spew your absurd propaganda if you must — but that doesn’t change the fact that Fred! would have been a terrific candidate to run against Clinton or Obama.
HebrewToYou on February 6, 2008 at 12:52 PM
How, exactly, are we to interpret that other than the expression of a desire to murder “conservatives?”
Sounds like the delusional left. Are you sure you’re not from Code Pink?
Notice how the “conservatives” are so mad they might not vote for McCain – but the “moderates” are so mad they spin into repulsive hateful screeds, threaten exile and make noises about “euthanasia?”
Doesn’t sound very moderate to me.
Merovign on February 6, 2008 at 12:52 PM
You can take your “list” and meditate on it. Really! And you’re quite welcome for the laughs. I’ll be here all week, maybe all year if the moderators don’t get sick of me.
CK MacLeod on February 6, 2008 at 12:53 PM
I figured the only way I could live with myself this morning was to get out and do what I could. I spent the last few days, calling people, putting up signs (in the rain), replacing signs vandalized, standing out on one of the busiest corners in Tucson (two evenings straight, one of which it was snowing – yes, snowing in Tucson). I’m proud of what I did for Mitt, and I would do it again in an instant.
SkinnerVic on February 6, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Hmmmm… maybe we develop a sense of humor along with the ability to read the plain meaning of sentences, along with the ability to understand and interpret metaphors. I admit that education in such matters can be difficult for people who never received it in their youths. In the meantime, all of the “conservatives” who are huddled in fear of the genocidal maniacs among us – really, you’re not in any danger, except possibly from yourselves.
CK MacLeod on February 6, 2008 at 12:59 PM
I know you have scorn for national polls, but seeing that that is all we have to go on, McCain is competitive (even beating Hillary) whereas Mitt loses in a landslide to both.
McCain has very broad support, maybe not among conservatives but among the nation as a whole. The conservatives could not be handling this worse. McCain is a team member. You support team members. If not, the team breaks up. Maybe that is what the red meat conservatives want. 8 to 12 years in the wilderness and they’ll come back stronger. Maybe, maybe not. But just look at the SCOTUS. Lots of old liberal geezers hanging on waiting for a Dem in the White House. In 8 or 12 years, the Court will be chock full of smart bright young liberals ready to put Roberts and Alito in a permanent minority. With McCain we just might out last those liberal bastards.
tommylotto on February 6, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Anyone have any questions about the state of the party…see above. Conservatives obviously are not welcome. That being the case we have no reason to vote for your boy…enjoy the political wilderness RINOs…it’ll be a long time before a Repub sits in the WH and before the dems lose their majority. McLunatics just destroyed the party…enjoy. You sound just like McCain…his version of unity is pretty similar to your conservatives kiss my ass rant. Good luck with that. It should work well ifor ya n the general.
jwp1964 on February 6, 2008 at 12:59 PM
“McCain/Huckabee “08″” get used to the sound of it cause it’s coming. Like it or not!
jesterstear on February 6, 2008 at 1:02 PM
People like you have been running around that tent, waving your torches and screeching about moving to the left for a
number of years now. It was only a matter of time before one of you got careless and burned that tent down.
P.S. It’s not really that cold out here…and I’ve met a lot of new people.
ChrisM on February 6, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Wow the dems and independents love the war and god! That’s a real winner!
jwp1964 on February 6, 2008 at 1:04 PM
Who’s team?
SkinnerVic on February 6, 2008 at 1:04 PM
Well at least you are aware you are just comic relief. That’s a start.
Voidseeker on February 6, 2008 at 1:06 PM
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