Open thread: California; Update: McCain wins Missouri; Update: Fox News calls California for McCain and Hillary; Update: Team Mitt plans “frank discussions” tomorrow
posted at 11:27 pm on February 5, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Results here. Whatever happens will steer the narrative tomorrow so we might as well open a thread. This is now must-win for Mitt; if McCain runs away with it, Romney’s got nothing meaningful to show for Super Tuesday. Here’s something fun to do while we wait: Scroll slowly down this list and compare the vote totals for the Democrats in each state to the totals for the GOP. Ask yourself how that bodes for fundraising during the general campaign.
Hillary’s had a reasonably good night thus far. But not good enough.
Update: With 87% reporting in Missouri, Huckabee leads McCain by 47 votes.
Update: Some sunshine for our special lady?
Update: Har. Romney’s camp says McCain underperformed.
Update: With 96% reporting in Missouri, Maverick’s pulled ahead to a 7,000-vote lead. Huckabee wanted/needed this not only for the delegates but to prove that his appeal isn’t limited to the south. The margin’s close enough that he sort of proved that anyway, although the winner-take-all element makes that a cold comfort.
Mitt? Third place, 23,000 votes off the pace.
Update: And now Fox calls Missouri for Maverick.
Update: Juan Williams says Obama leads Hillary among white men in California by 27 points, but Hillary leads big among Latinos.
Update: Have at it — the Republican and Democratic exit polls. The gender breakdowns favor Maverick and Hillary.
Update: And no sooner do I post that than Fox calls it for both of them. Big win for Mac, bigger win for the Glacier. Say goodnight, Mitt.
Update: Rove’s back-of-the-envelope estimate is that Mitt might finish third in total delegates for the night. McCain’s total is greater than Romney’s and Huckabee’s combined. Another interesting point from Rove: Obama won more states, but most of them were red states the Dems won’t carry in the general.
Update: The Messiah ekes out a 49-48 win in Missouri. As for Cali, say it with me, my friends. Never. Trust. Zogby.
Update: See-Dub helps Hewitt with the spin.
Update: Rumbles.
MSNBC’s John Yang says a Romney senior campaign official says “tomorrow will be a day of frank discussions on the campaign.”
Not quite a revelation, but the only news they have. A long day of meetings was already on the schedule long before the California news.
Yang says visit to Kansas on Friday is likely to be nixed.
Update: Si se puede!
Update: Bill Kristol thinks Mitt will pull out, possibly at CPAC(!).
Update: First in Missouri, third among Missouri conservatives.
Update: Geraghty tries to game out a Romney comeback. Big delegate lead for McCain + few WTA states left + the unlikelihood of Mitt blowing out Maverick in the proportional states + Huckabee still around to suck away conservative votes = The Reaper.
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Keep dreaming, douchebag.
I’m so gonna enjoy it when the RINO brigades come crawling back when the Hildebeest or Obama pwn McCain.
doubleplusundead on February 6, 2008 at 1:26 AM
It’s time to stop being horse’s asses, folks. It’s time to stop talking trash and start removing Democrats from office.
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:27 AM
wow. will do.
Hiney Von Pewps on February 6, 2008 at 1:27 AM
When we lose in November it will teach us a lesson. We need to nominate a candidate who represents all 3 legs of the stool next time, none of our candidates did that convincingly this time around, not even Fred in reality. When he picked Spence Abraham to work on his campaign I knew there was a problem. We need to get behind guys like Coburn and Demint, they are the future.
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 1:27 AM
Brilliant!!!eleventy!!
Let’s conservatives nominate an utter dog of a candidate in order to lose to Hillary so that the libs will realize that they don’t want socialized healthcare after all.
Rove you magnificent bastard!
billy on February 6, 2008 at 1:28 AM
Yeah, just like it died after Republicans lost in 1992 and Bill Clinton was President. They said Rush Limbaugh’s show was going to die after that too.
Conservative talk radio will never die, because it is the public voice of average conservative Americans such as myself. 10+ million listeners per day all across the country, most of them conservatives who enjoy having a powerful, public voice for their values and principles espoused among a sea of liberal, sensationalist nonsense on every other mass media format.
However, if you mean Conservative Talk Radio will die as a result of this election, because the liberal, socialists will bring back the Fairness Doctrine, then you may have a relevant point.
Michael in MI on February 6, 2008 at 1:28 AM
I think I’ve learned from this election that the internet does not represent the people. I go to conservative site and few like McCain and he wins. I log onto twitter and almost everyone there is an Obama supporter and Hillary wins the big states (although he did do good today).
terryannonline on February 6, 2008 at 1:28 AM
Conservative Talk Radio will also be out of a job when McCain re-implements the Fairness Doctorine.
Enoxo on February 6, 2008 at 1:28 AM
Non-Sense!
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:29 AM
What is really scary is that we are going to be screwed over for the Supreme Court…We can kiss the last 20 years and the next 30 years of the Conservative Movement in the Judicial Branch good-bye.
Tim Burton on February 6, 2008 at 1:30 AM
Is it too late for Romney to pull out, endorse Huckabee and let Huck collect the entire anti-McCain vote? Or should conservatives instead, in the remaining races, try and crash the Dem primaries and try and get Obama elected?
Whatever it is, I’m endorsing the Dems. McCain can talk tough on WOT all he wants, but if his senate track record is anything to go by, he’ll probably be brokering backroom deals with Iran, Hamas, KSA, Pakistan, Taliban et al – all in the name of
bipartisanshipbipolarshipworld peace. If you doubt me, just look at him on Gitmo, waterboarding and the like – he probably agrees with the judge who wanted court decisions to be delivered based on international precedents.infidelpride on February 6, 2008 at 1:30 AM
Using the internet typically requires a working brain and opposable thumbs.
Grayson on February 6, 2008 at 1:30 AM
Sorry if anyone thinks I’m trolling. I know the vast majority of you are good conservatives who want the best for the country (and the least amount for the government). However, just like 2000 and 2004, we’re at a crossroads. If we all sit on our hands in Novermber it will be LBJ part II, and we’ll never recover. That having been said, I’ll be finishing my last brewski and turning in.
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:31 AM
Affairs, the missing White House China, China in the Whitehouse, Norman Hsu, Racial slandering of Obama, Bill’s shady fifty million dollar deal from the king of Kazykstan,
pardongate, her secret thesis, busboy and dishwasher donations, basketball diplomacy, the embassies in Africa, the US Cole, Blackhawk down, not killing Bin laden when they had the chance, corporate scandals, Vince Foster, and the definition of “is”. McCain’s add man Mckinnon is going to have a field day. Bring on Billary. Mac will win big.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 6, 2008 at 1:31 AM
Mitt will not pull out, he’s about to take Texas.
TexasBella on February 6, 2008 at 1:32 AM
Future of our once great land:
“The thought police would get him just the same. He had committed—would have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper—the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you.”
Enough said…. Game. Set. Match.
Nils2en on February 6, 2008 at 1:32 AM
The candidates tried to walk a fine line with the immigrant issue. They put open border shills on their staff to try and recapture the Hispanic vote that Bush did. McCain did the same thing with Juan Hernandez.
There is no way conservatives will come out for McShamnesty. He will have to fight the dems for the liberals and since he is such a sack of crap liar, they’ll go with the dem candidate.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:32 AM
McCain and Huckabee – what a lineup!
All we need is Marv Thornberry and we’d have the ‘62 Mets!
The Dems, in this case, would be Koufax and Drysdale.
Well, the Pubbie death wish is now complete.
Seven hellish years of Bush’s inchoate “Compassionate Conservatism” crapola has worked its noxious magic on the GOP. Reaching across the aisle, hugging Ted Kennedy, kissing McCain’s ass, keeping the veto pen in Gore’s fabled lockbox, what else could we expect? And now we have a 3.1 trillion dollar budget.
Not too long ago, the Republicans were in the ascendency, now, as they veer left, they’re polling down around the Ted Bundy level.
Besides, what is the point of having two Liberal parties? How wasteful…it’s much more logical to merge! Then we can all destroy our economy together! That’s the way to build a bipartisan agenda – have one Party. Look how well it’s worked for Castro!
The Republicans have truly redefined the upper limits of “screwing the pooch”. They can go to hell…
TexasJew on February 6, 2008 at 1:32 AM
I not only heard about it, they were all around me. A few days ago we had ice and light snow. Today it was 75 degrees and there was an ominous feeling in the air. The sky turned a sickening yellowish green and then got really dark before all hell broke loose. I’m anxious to learn how many tornadoes there really were. The civil defense sirens seem to wail nonstop. There were actually two lines of storms that rolled through. Over a several hour period we had new tornado warnings every few minutes. My wife and children spent the evening in a closet while I flipped between election returns and weather reports. Thankfully my family is safe and the only damage I’ve got is a tree across my driveway.
flyfisher on February 6, 2008 at 1:32 AM
Not necessarily. The coservatives on the court are much younger than the Liberals. If McCain only lasts 4 years then is likely he would only get one pick and thats for the oldest liberal on the court right now. So isnt a real threat yet of that.
William Amos on February 6, 2008 at 1:33 AM
It’s not nonsense, because that’s exactly what McCain will do. He holds a grudge like a pit bull to a leg. Conservative Talk Radio tried to ruin his victory, so he’ll ruin them by re-implementing the Fairness Doctorine.
Enoxo on February 6, 2008 at 1:33 AM
That is an interesting point. Let’s face it, most average folks are very uninformed or misinformed. The fact that McCain and Huckabee are even viable is proof of that. Political junkies like most of us are in the minority. I personally know very few people that are even qualified to vote in terms of their knowledge of the issues and the candidates.
Maybe they know something I don’t though. Maybe I should disengage and worry about my little corner of the world. All of my worrying doesn’t seem to be getting me much. I truly don’t think I can stay interested in politics during a McCain or Clinton term.
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 1:33 AM
You have no clue what you are talking about. Conservatives will not support that liberal. Never.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:33 AM
All that crap is old news and still a large portion of the public loves the Clintons. I don’t see it as a rout as you seem to but whatever helps you sleep at night.
Grayson on February 6, 2008 at 1:33 AM
It was too slow in reacting to the McCain/MSM/Pro-amnesty set up, that’s for sure. But if it weren’t for talk radio & the blogosphere (both of which are grassroots oriented) the establishment would have succeeded in their shamnesty scheme.
argos on February 6, 2008 at 1:34 AM
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:31 AM
I haven’t interpreted your comments as trolling at all. You’re as frustrated as all the rest of us with how this campaign season has gone and are just expressing that. I understand your frustrations and share them.
Just don’t give up and instead keep pluggin away and we’ll all get through this.
Michael in MI on February 6, 2008 at 1:34 AM
Of course the media types don’t view him as “liberal”, they view him as “useful idiot”, to be discarded when he’s no longer useful in advancing their leftist agenda.
If they have a choice between a real liberal and a RINO, they pick the Democrat. The media has given ol’ Maverick a pass, its gonna be hilarious when they start treating McCain like any other Republican.
doubleplusundead on February 6, 2008 at 1:35 AM
So what’s your plan? If you can fix it so that Mitt wins I’m all for it. But the Floridians ruined that for us.
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:35 AM
LOL. I wonder what these people think they’re going to achieve without the 70% of the GOP who vote for ‘RINOs’ like McCain, Giuliani and Huck. You’re not going to be winning any election without us.
And then we’re supposed to believe that these people are real ‘true’ conservatives when they make comments like this:
Delusion alert! McCain and the Taliban? McCain and Iran? What a friggin cretin. When I read acres of BS like this I begin to realise i) why the internet attracts so many people completely detatched from reality like the Paulians and ii) why the pundits keep misreading the electorate.
Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 1:39 AM
Romney endorsing Huckabee is as likely as Christians endorsing Nero.
To quote the Dread Pirate Roberts: DEATH FIRST.
sulla on February 6, 2008 at 1:40 AM
His brother is in the DNC duh!!!!
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:40 AM
I’ve been telling you all night. Congress in 2010 is the only shot we have to keep a damper on McLiar’s liberalism. BUT, in the off years the incumbent usually loses seats. So a dem win makes it more likely that we gain seats in congress.
And you’re right, Mitt is done. He cannot continue and we all knew it if the results were what they have been today.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:40 AM
It doesn’t have to be real to be an authentic anti-McCain trope.
For instance,
If you can vote for McCain, get ready for involuntary abortions, because it’s an established fact that he has a temper and he carry’s a pocketknife.
If you can vote for McCain, better brush up on your ‘Espanol, because mandatory Spanish Only legislation is on its way.
if you can vote for McCain, expect tax increases because he voted against some tax cuts once (Don’t look into this one further. If you don’t trust my logic on this, then your a Democrat with cooties.)
If you can vote for McCain, we’ll all have to worship the pagan gods of the Mayans and service his Democrat buddies sexually because Chrstmas will be illegal.
etc.
Hiney Von Pewps on February 6, 2008 at 1:41 AM
get over it.. it’s over.
on the the next one.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:42 AM
Hiney Von Pewps on February 6, 2008 at 1:41 AM
Fantastic! Lmao.
Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 1:42 AM
Fair enough. We get at least one house of Congress in 2010, I’ll buy you a beer. We make good ones out here.
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:43 AM
Conservative talk radio proved to have no influence whatsoever on the voters. The results proved it.
All talk about millions of listeners tuning in, is bunch of illusion faced by today’s reality.
Enjoy listening, as I do too, but remember, it’s just an entertainment show after all.
I voted for Romney on January 14th, I made up my mind a year ago, long before these pinheads (like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh) on the radio and on the Internet realized that Romney is their man, their “savior.”
You don’t need to be a “pundit” to make the smart decision.
Need I say more?
Indy Conservative on February 6, 2008 at 1:43 AM
LOL!! McDS..
I wish these people would seek therapy!
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:44 AM
The fork is in the GOP.
It’s done.
After I vote for Mr. Mormon in the Texas Primary and watch him get flattened like an armadillo on the highway, I’ll turn in my long-time Pubbie pin.
Goodnight, McCain trolls. Enjoy driving your honey wagon over the cliff..
TexasJew on February 6, 2008 at 1:45 AM
I think McCain will offer Mitt the VP slot, so he can say, “See! I’M the good guy here. He’s not willing to work with me!” when Mitt turns him down.
SouthernGent on February 6, 2008 at 1:47 AM
OMG!!!! LMAO at that comment and your name!!! What the heck!
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:47 AM
Oh, I’ve been over it for several hours now, actually.
That doesn’t mean I’ll be voting for McCain, however.
Enoxo on February 6, 2008 at 1:47 AM
What does he have to offer other than a personal fortune?
He came in 3rd in most of the Southern States..
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:49 AM
I could go to you tube and splice together all the Clinton positions on Iraq, the single most important event of the last ten years. It is going to be a field day. Mav has learned to play dirty and will make quick work of the Liars.
The most important thing though, is to pray that Obama turns down the vp and he very well may. Why play second fiddle, when he’s the real power broker of the party for the forseable future.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 6, 2008 at 1:49 AM
And YOU – You’re not doing anyone any favors, kiddo. You like McCain about as much as oral surgery – you’re still a badly disguised Dem troll. Crawl back in your hole and don’t come out.
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:50 AM
Phone calls are not necessarily representative of the entire voters. Today’s elections results proved it. Can you tell me why these voters voted for McCain knowing that he’s an open borders guy?
Again, the amount of phone calls to Congress might look large, but in reality, they didn’t represent the totality of public opinion, i.e. the majority of the voters.
Indy Conservative on February 6, 2008 at 1:50 AM
You’re not clear on this. “Conservatives” don’t count for anything. Nobody cares what “conservatives” think. “Conservatives” can march into the ocean tomorrow and the GOP would continue on. Get your head out of your ass.
Hiney Von Pewps on February 6, 2008 at 1:51 AM
I was a strong very Rudy supporter(Still Am), when he pulled out i pouted for about 8 hours.. made a few stupid posts on a Rudy forum that i belong to.. then… ALL GOOD..
Don’t “marry yourself” to a politician you will get burned every time.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:52 AM
Really, then why has your lying dem tool McShamnesty been trying to make up with them for the last month? He has moved so far right, I’m surprised his head is still attached.
Get your head out of your ass, dig the crap outta yer ears, and wise up you stupid ass.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:54 AM
McStupids vote for McLoser.
A perfect Sturm (Und Drang).
MSM now opening their “How To Destroy Old Fart McCain” files.
Get ready for reality, “hero”.
He’ll be 172 by November.
profitsbeard on February 6, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Why would I be here all the time if i were a dem?
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Heard that in ‘96. Believed it then, but I’m smarter now.
billy on February 6, 2008 at 1:55 AM
Definitely don’t marry myself to a politician. But I can certainly pre-emptively divorce from one. ;)
Enoxo on February 6, 2008 at 1:56 AM
Conservative creds. He hasn’t shown utter contempt for the base for years like McShamnesty has.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:56 AM
No doubt. I’m convinced that many of them are on the road down towards Lew rockwell territory, where their views become so isolated and precious that they have to share booth space with other fringe political cults. Border enforcement hysterics are already well represented there.
Hiney Von Pewps on February 6, 2008 at 1:58 AM
Yep Re-register as independent and then Support Constitution candidates at the state and local level until conservatism regains control of California then the nation…I should live long enough to see a re-birth of Liberty and responsibility!
RedLizard64 on February 6, 2008 at 1:58 AM
Agreed. I think Obama is well aware that Hillary would be a nightmare to work with. He’s no Gore, willing to put up with being trampled on at every turn. If, and it is a big if, Hillary takes the Dem nomination, I suspect she’ll go with a lapdog like Bill Richardson or Jim Webb.
Obama is a problem, but still Mac is better to beat him than Romney, in showing up his vacuity, inexperience and complete absence of serious achievements. Obama’s big weakness is his foreign policy cretinism – Mac will dynamite his Islamic appeasement conference for sure.
Pax americana on February 6, 2008 at 1:59 AM
OH really? REAL CONSERVATIVE CREDS?
Like, I was an Independent during Reagan-Bush, I’m not trying to Return to Reagan-Bush..
Or… his COMPLETE makeover for this election?
come on, get real..
Someone like Haley Barbour or a Mark Sanford would help McCain more than Romney.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:59 AM
The dilution of the GOP has been going on for a while now. I believe we are seeing the end of it as we know it. The brave and strong(young and naive) “moderates” of the party have caved into the desire to be more like those hip Euro countries. The conservative branch has been pruned and discarded. Time for us to go 3rd party and fight the libertarians for 1% of the national votes.
Well done Rino/Moderates/DemLites? Hillary 08 sound good?
ClassicCon on February 6, 2008 at 2:00 AM
This might be more fitting given the circumstances.
Dez for Prez.
liquidflorian on February 6, 2008 at 2:00 AM
Yeah, because they won’t vote fer no durned Yankee cultist. I can’t believe they’re so damn stupid to go along with that kind of base demagoguery. If this primary reaches PA, I’ll vote for Romney to keep Huck and McCain out, assuming he’s still in, but after that, I’m reregistering Independent. Screw the GOP.
doubleplusundead on February 6, 2008 at 2:01 AM
Mitt supporters aren’t McLiar, Rudy, Huck, or Fred supporters. We support ideals and look for candidates that closely espouse those ideals. If our candidate fails, we don’t start into the denial exercises.
McLiar will lose in November because conservatives will not support a liberal and the general electorate doesn’t like entrenched Washington insiders who lie, cheat, steal, and betray his base.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 2:01 AM
Anyone want to do an over/under on how long it’ll before the media begins to “discuss” McCain’s temperment vis-a-vis “the joke?”
You know the joke McCainiacs, the one he told that goes “Why is Chelsea so ugly? Her father is Janet Reno.” Oh how they’ll laugh and laugh in the MSM about the Maverick’s wit.
billy on February 6, 2008 at 2:03 AM
There’s got to be a Greek or Shakespearian play which by reference would neatly encapsulate this mania.
Hiney Von Pewps on February 6, 2008 at 2:04 AM
If it makes you feel better its NOT just Republicans that WILL NOT vote for a Mormon..
http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/mormoncandidate121107graph5.gif
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:04 AM
Oh, that’ll only be the beginning, there’ll be the “Bomb Iran” bit, and plenty more.
doubleplusundead on February 6, 2008 at 2:05 AM
See, that is more of McLiars lies spewing from your pie hole. Go watch the entire video of the Reagan/Bush remark. It isn’t what you wish it was.
Mitt has always kept his campaign promises. McLiar has always poked conservatives in the eye.
You’ve got your pony. Watch what the MSM does to him now. You’ll either be in here crying like a little baby, or you’ll just disappear and head off to a different blog under a different handle pretending to be a conservative.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 2:06 AM
Please Master Po teach me why one will support a person who will fight a war thousand sof miles away and at the same time disregard immigration enforcement and leave the back door open for another attack on our soil (worst case scenario..painful but quick) or the slow death as crime stats soar, wages are depressed, money is Western Unioned south of the border, You can’t get a job if you don’t speak spanish, and our social services are raped like a defenseless 90 year old woman…the person who will not get her social security in 2035!!!!!!???????
RedLizard64 on February 6, 2008 at 2:07 AM
cool. so I don’t have to waste my time this election year.
billy on February 6, 2008 at 2:07 AM
I expect that crap from Democrats, I expect better from people who are claim to be part of the GOP.
doubleplusundead on February 6, 2008 at 2:08 AM
csdeven didn’t people used to call you the “troll”?
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:08 AM
If Mitt drops out, my next (and only) remaining candidate option in the GOP is McCain.
Mac was #4 on my list in January. But he’s infinitely better than Huckabee in my book, Shamnesty and all.
sulla on February 6, 2008 at 2:08 AM
And the Keating 5.
You McLiar supporters find a scandal like that surrounding Mitt.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 2:08 AM
Only dumb asses.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 2:10 AM
Its a gallup poll read it, lots of data..
Percentage Unwilling to Vote for a Mormon Holds Steady
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:10 AM
Leaving his wife for a 25 year old daughter of a billionaire, after the poor, pitiful woman was injured in a car accident. I wonder how Katie Couric will frame that story?
Oh and what new information about the Keating 5 will suddenly be discovered?
billy on February 6, 2008 at 2:11 AM
Man, I’m disappointed. I dislike McCain and Mitt, but Romney got his butt kicked so bad I can’t even enjoy needling his supporters. Even I have limits.
That said-
BKennedy, csdeven, Buy Danish: Ha Ha!
Hollowpoint on February 6, 2008 at 2:11 AM
Nope. take up watercolors or something.
Hiney Von Pewps on February 6, 2008 at 2:11 AM
I don’t give a damn, I don’t have any respect for people who won’t vote for a guy solely because he’s a friggin’ Mormon.
doubleplusundead on February 6, 2008 at 2:11 AM
Don’t forget his giboted mother and his drug freak wife.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 2:12 AM
And your point is?
Oh yeah, that you’re classless and as I predicted are only interested in the scorched earth policy since your candidate finally quit after 8 months of under performing.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 2:14 AM
No.
We made fun of him ’cause he was anti-Fred! and pro-Romney.
But that’s old news.
How’s your guy going to sell amnesty to the American people?
billy on February 6, 2008 at 2:14 AM
Before Free Republic kicked out the Rudy Supporters, I was actually defending Romney’s faith way back then..
I remember way back then(about a year ago) people were worrying about his religion..
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:15 AM
Mitt’s a Mormon and McLiar is a liar. Mitt made huge end roads in getting his name out there. he changed more minds than he alienated. And those people were mostly conservatives.
I find it sickening that you love to quote that poll time and again. A liar is more palpable than a Mormon. Sickening gibotry.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 2:17 AM
He’ll lie, as usual.
He’s better at it than even Bill Clinton.
He doesn’t bite his lip.
profitsbeard on February 6, 2008 at 2:17 AM
Mitt’s not looking well. It’s looking bad. He’s got a fee-vah, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!
That or a brokered convention.
calbear on February 6, 2008 at 2:17 AM
You don’t think they’d use his mother against him do you?
Who would do such a thing?
Oh right.
The Clintons.
billy on February 6, 2008 at 2:19 AM
You’ve successfully listed all of the left-leaning Republican and liberal talking points! Great job!!! Do us all a favor and defect to the Green party. Rush has 12 million listeners, Mark Levin has like 4 million and Sean Hannity/Glenn Beck have numbers between the two. Put down the New York Times and go have your lobotomy finished.
Levinite on February 6, 2008 at 2:21 AM
Romney’s not out, but he’s definitely down. Now, it just might be that he could take some sort of drastic action to improve his chances, and — maybe — still win this thing.
The only thing that might make a difference at this point is to find a good vice-president candidate that people like — one very conservative and earnest candidate that people will instinctively regard as a genuine conservative. This might lend Mitt enough authenticity as a conservative to still get the nomination.
Of course, this step is usually done only after the candidate wins his party nomination, but Mitt can’t really afford to wait.
Obviously one good vice-president candidate to lend conservative gravitas and authenticity would be Fred!
Downsides to Fred! a) A younger man would be nice in a Vice President b) Fred has shown no interest in running for Vice President. So there could be a better choice.
Of course, Fred! has his upsides too. a) He can be a very effective communicator b) csdeven’s head would explode
Of course, this is all a long shot. But it’s the only thing I could think of that might derail McCain. Unless Romney comes up with something to convince wavering conservatives to trust him over Huckabee, he’ll keep splitting the conservative vote and hand the election to McCain.
theregoestheneighborhood on February 6, 2008 at 2:22 AM
I said “Ha Ha”.
And since you’re apparently not interested in a scorched earth policy, that means you’ll be supporting McCain after your candidate failed after 13 months of underperforming?
I’d point out the irony of you lecturing anyone about class, but I know you wouldn’t get it.
You backed a losing horse, and so did I. Don’t try to pretend your loss was somehow more noble than mine, or that your reaction to it was any better. Mitt lost because many of the harsh criticisms I had of him were shared by many others… but I didn’t resort to using “scumbag” every time I mentioned his name.
Hollowpoint on February 6, 2008 at 2:23 AM
That doesn’t mean those listeners are lemmings.
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:23 AM
With real classy ads. The camera fades up over a bucolic plains setting with a farmhous in the distance. A pretty young girl and her beautiful mother are drenched in the sunlight of another morning in America. Then the voice-over begins…
“You remember that crap that nobody outside of the ‘conservative’ echo chamber apparently cares about?…”
Hiney Von Pewps on February 6, 2008 at 2:24 AM
Which of course includes the host of this site.
billy on February 6, 2008 at 2:28 AM
LOL!!! Bwwhahaha!!!!!
Secure the Borders
On to real issues! sheesh..
Hiney Von Pewps, I like you!
(And not in a gay way) >:}
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:28 AM
Its not a matter of his being smart or not..Picking anyone other than Huckabee would be picking somone who IS conservative and thats like kryptonite to Summer man dude (SORRy absolutely did not mean to infer McCain was superman!)
RedLizard64 on February 6, 2008 at 2:29 AM
Spot on CS~
RedLizard64 on February 6, 2008 at 2:31 AM
Threatening to ban me from someone else’s website is like trying to f**k with someone else’s d**k.
Hiney Von Pewps on February 6, 2008 at 2:31 AM
Excellent..well thought out
RedLizard64 on February 6, 2008 at 2:32 AM
LMAO!
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 2:32 AM
Likewise. It’s good to have allies from the real world and the Republican party which actually exists.
Hiney Von Pewps on February 6, 2008 at 2:33 AM
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