Open thread: California; Update: McCain wins Missouri; Update: Fox News calls California for McCain and Hillary; Update: Team Mitt plans “frank discussions” tomorrow
posted at 11:27 pm on February 5, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Results here. Whatever happens will steer the narrative tomorrow so we might as well open a thread. This is now must-win for Mitt; if McCain runs away with it, Romney’s got nothing meaningful to show for Super Tuesday. Here’s something fun to do while we wait: Scroll slowly down this list and compare the vote totals for the Democrats in each state to the totals for the GOP. Ask yourself how that bodes for fundraising during the general campaign.
Hillary’s had a reasonably good night thus far. But not good enough.
Update: With 87% reporting in Missouri, Huckabee leads McCain by 47 votes.
Update: Some sunshine for our special lady?
Update: Har. Romney’s camp says McCain underperformed.
Update: With 96% reporting in Missouri, Maverick’s pulled ahead to a 7,000-vote lead. Huckabee wanted/needed this not only for the delegates but to prove that his appeal isn’t limited to the south. The margin’s close enough that he sort of proved that anyway, although the winner-take-all element makes that a cold comfort.
Mitt? Third place, 23,000 votes off the pace.
Update: And now Fox calls Missouri for Maverick.
Update: Juan Williams says Obama leads Hillary among white men in California by 27 points, but Hillary leads big among Latinos.
Update: Have at it — the Republican and Democratic exit polls. The gender breakdowns favor Maverick and Hillary.
Update: And no sooner do I post that than Fox calls it for both of them. Big win for Mac, bigger win for the Glacier. Say goodnight, Mitt.
Update: Rove’s back-of-the-envelope estimate is that Mitt might finish third in total delegates for the night. McCain’s total is greater than Romney’s and Huckabee’s combined. Another interesting point from Rove: Obama won more states, but most of them were red states the Dems won’t carry in the general.
Update: The Messiah ekes out a 49-48 win in Missouri. As for Cali, say it with me, my friends. Never. Trust. Zogby.
Update: See-Dub helps Hewitt with the spin.
Update: Rumbles.
MSNBC’s John Yang says a Romney senior campaign official says “tomorrow will be a day of frank discussions on the campaign.”
Not quite a revelation, but the only news they have. A long day of meetings was already on the schedule long before the California news.
Yang says visit to Kansas on Friday is likely to be nixed.
Update: Si se puede!
Update: Bill Kristol thinks Mitt will pull out, possibly at CPAC(!).
Update: First in Missouri, third among Missouri conservatives.
Update: Geraghty tries to game out a Romney comeback. Big delegate lead for McCain + few WTA states left + the unlikelihood of Mitt blowing out Maverick in the proportional states + Huckabee still around to suck away conservative votes = The Reaper.
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Are we going to have a severely traumatized and idocrinated communist as the candidate for the Republicans?
How does this happen?
Bush
Buddahpundit on February 6, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Clinton/Obama will toast McCain. Once McCain is declared, his MSM-love affair will come to a dramatic end. The democratic war machine will chew him up. I’m having flashbacks to Dole v. Clinton.
Cold Steel on February 6, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Bingo.
Michael in MI on February 6, 2008 at 12:47 AM
On one of the networks earlier they were discussing some of the names for VP being tossed around by McCain’s people. The guys I remember were Crist and Ridge. If those names are correct, I can only conclude McCain doesn’t want to show-up Goldwater in terms of popular vote.
flyfisher on February 6, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Thanks Michael. Well said.
Chin up, RightWinged and the rest of you. I’m depressed as hell too, but this period in history is what it is.
Let’s deal with it.
techno_barbarian on February 6, 2008 at 12:48 AM
A Dem will win the White House in 2008.
McCain sealed the fate of the GOP. It’s a lost party until we suffer through four to eight years of Dhimmitude.
Though, insert any Repub candidate and history will tell you the chances of a Dem win in 2008 were high anyways.
What we need to focus on is putting balls back onto our Senator and Reps. The Right lost in 2006 as well, for good reason.
McCain disgusts me. Oh how I hate his smirk and his lies.
Thanks John McCain, you ruined the GOP and insured a dem win. Happy now? Did you get your temper tantrum revenge on GW Bush?
Montana on February 6, 2008 at 12:48 AM
War Hero vs The Liars. I like our chances.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 6, 2008 at 12:49 AM
Hey peeps. I don’t like McVain any better than you but if we can elect him we can at least stave off the Workers’ Paradise until 2020 or so.
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 12:49 AM
Ok, this sucks. So how do conservatives get what we want? We need to retake congress.
And don’t forget, average joes (the bozos they’re interviewing in exit polls), who ain’t political junkies think McCain is conservative. And they’re voting for him. So as a Fredhead I see a glimmer of hope for our movement. Conservatism in and of itself is seen as a positive thing.
Plus being in NYC, a non-representative un solicited sample of dems say they’d rather vote for McCain than either Her thighness or B. Hussein Obama, and they’d never voted republican before. That could be all talk, but for some twisted reason McCain is resonating with squishes. Maybe they’re closet mysogynist racists.
I’m still holdng out for ideological purity, but if I’m stuck with McCainmutiny I’m not gonna be nauseous, just have a bad case of heartburn.
But we really gotta start paying attention to the “little” races in Congress. We should be flipping those “yellow dogs” back to red. At the very least.
Iblis on February 6, 2008 at 12:49 AM
Hahaha!!
He’s hot tonight, folks! Real hot!
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 12:50 AM
Rush is only preaching to the choir, the rest of the nation are clueless. They see a “war hero”, not the giant rhino he is, they don’t even know what rhino means nor do they know any of the issues, that’s the problem. We are the minority.
Conservatives R Us on February 6, 2008 at 12:51 AM
McDole picks up steam for his colossal loss in November.
Brilliant, GOP, -just brilliant.
Picky the cranky old fogey against the fresh new guy.
And if a clown like Huckabee can even win one state, it proves the simmering gullibility of enough of the electorate to show that another goofy cipher, like Obama, could win the general election on mere “newness”.
A bad sign of the educational system that this mess of pathetic candidates has risen, like scum, to the top.
And not been skimmed by sensible skepticism long before this.
Looks like a Republican Congress is the only barrier against a “change” to Dem appeasers in the Oval Office.
McDole will be wondering what hit him on November 5th.
And those propping up his farce should get ready for the stories that will begin to emerge in the media about McCain’s MANY flaws (and his drug stealing wife’s).
This is hardball.
The MSM marshmallows now raining gently upon McCain will soon stop.
And their boiling rhetorical pitch will pour upon him and their analytical daggers will magically appear to flense this crank.
Prepare for:
McDole, the Pinata.
profitsbeard on February 6, 2008 at 12:51 AM
More like Liar vs Liar, they’re both the same.
Enoxo on February 6, 2008 at 12:52 AM
Would you crybabies please shut up and start working on BEATING THE DEMS? If you don’t want to take responsibility then get the hell out of the country. It’s DONE. Fred is gone. Mitt is gone. Huck is full of crap. It’s McVain or socialism. That’s the choice. DEAL WITH IT.
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 12:52 AM
I am not sure Mitt’s performance tonight will encourage people to donate to his campaign. (as I type this Intrade has McCain at 92.5 and Romney at 2.9) That means Mitt needs to ask himself how much more money is he willing to spend to continue this race, and does he really have a chance of getting anywhere?
bnelson44 on February 6, 2008 at 12:52 AM
Iblis on February 6, 2008 at 12:49 AM
Congressional Dems are nervous about Hillary winning the nod. It could send folks out in contested counties, just to beat her and could hurt the bottom line overall for the libies.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 6, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Thanks for the music, Allah.
BTW, Bill Kristol just said that Mitt should pull out at CPAC.
d1carter on February 6, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Hey Michael, I wasn’t knocking Rush and I don’t lay any blame on him. I appreciate all he has done for conservatism the past 20 years. It’s not his fault if Republicans are determined to buy a pig in a poke.
flyfisher on February 6, 2008 at 12:53 AM
If this is the kind of stupidity one has to swallow to be considered a “true conservative”, count me out.
packsoldier on February 6, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Yang says visit to Kansas on Friday is likely to be nixed.
That was decided when he insulted the good Bob Dole yesterday.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 6, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Yup. Gotta do good here. So far, with ~20% in it looks to be shades of FL. Again, so much for the value of polling data.
I had the priviledge of tallying the caucus votes for my precinct in St. Paul tonight & Mitt won easily. That was fun. Now for the harsh reality of California. Oy. I can’t watch & I’m out of beer. Time to turn in.
argos on February 6, 2008 at 12:55 AM
Mitt needs to think about getting out to defang Huck. Huck has enough delegates and Mitt is fueling the evangelicals to come out for huck.
William Amos on February 6, 2008 at 12:55 AM
At least we will have the fun of watching the Clintons destroy McCain.
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 12:55 AM
Sayonara, suckers!
I’m leaving the Stupid Party to the buzzards.
TexasJew on February 6, 2008 at 12:55 AM
Caveat: I don’t like McCain.
Point: You’re a loser, dude. Stop whining and get ready to STOP the Dems!
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 12:57 AM
Ok guys, lets try to find the silver lining here. McCain wins the nomination but probably picks Fred to be his VP. He wins the presidency, and then hands the reins to Fred in 2012 when his age catches up to him. So who’s with me? Fred 2012!
SDnocoen on February 6, 2008 at 12:57 AM
The problem is that many of us see McCain as a liberal socialist as well. We’re going to get some of that from him as well, at least with his Amnesty and global warming legislation. He may also be convinced to push through some universal healthcare legislation, since he has a lot of support from the left wing of the Republican Party.
There is no guarantee that McCain will be better than the Democrats on economic issues. Amnesty, global warming beliefs and his class warfare reasoning for going against the tax cuts of 2001/2003 are all red flags for me with him with regards to fiscal issues.
The fact is that we will have to fight McCain just as much as we will have to fight a Democrat President. The difference is that we have to wonder how much will Republicans in Congress be willing to fight a Republican President instead of a Democrat President? Especially a Republican President who seems to have a nasty streak and hold grudges against those who do not side with him. Talk is that many of the endorsements he is getting are from people who don’t necessarily agree with him, but see his inevitability and don’t want to get on his bad side should he win.
Michael in MI on February 6, 2008 at 12:58 AM
I just found out the most amazing fact!! There is going to be another presidential election in 2012. & some people here thought we were picking a dictator for life. No, our form of government is what’s called a “democracy”. You should look it up.
thuja on February 6, 2008 at 12:58 AM
McCain isn’t smart enough to pick a true conservative for Veep. He’ll be asking Huckabee to be his Veep within a few months.
Enoxo on February 6, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Hahaha, McVain is socialism in disguise. No thanks, I’ll leave that to the Dems to do, not a fake one who uses a 30 year old POW record to gain sympathy.
Where’s my popcorn??
TOPV on February 6, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Do you believe Mitt prefers McCain over Huck? I’m not sure, but I would love to hear what Mitt says about them behind closed doors.
flyfisher on February 6, 2008 at 12:58 AM
By pointing out the truth? If I’m painting myself as the inevitable candidate and “next-in-line”, I wouldn’t want Dole writing the letter either. He was next-in-line, just like McCain. How’d that turn out?
amerpundit on February 6, 2008 at 12:59 AM
There is no stopping the Dems because McCain is with them, not us. Why would we want to destroy the Republican brand with McCain? It took 4 years of Carter to bring us Reagan.
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 12:59 AM
America picked Jimmy Carter over Gerald Ford.
America picked Bill Clinton over George Herbert Walker Bush.
America chose Gerald Ford over Ronald Reagan.
America is picking Juan McCain over Mitt Romney.
In politics, it is not a meritocracy. Brains and ability and proper idealogy does not guarantee success. The best man does NOT always win.
Oh, and one more thing…to all of you who voted for Juan McCain or that televangeist guy……. bite me.
Roger Waters on February 6, 2008 at 12:59 AM
There isn’t much difference and conservatives will not vote for McShamnesty. This will be another 1992. The base will abandon the RINO and the dems will run this country into the ground for the next 8 years. And it’s people like you who will be to blame. You support a guy who wanted to be the VP of a democrat.
Come November, you will be the one whining.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:00 AM
Mitt would back the frontrunner I think now rather than divide the party for Huck.
William Amos on February 6, 2008 at 1:00 AM
I took that road after Florida…re-registered as an independent. Where can conservatives turn to? There is now a single party system in Amerika. I’m off to bed…my depression is exceedingly exhausting.
jwp1964 on February 6, 2008 at 1:01 AM
By 2012, the dems will have put in two liberal supreme court justices.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:02 AM
I hope Mitt doesn’t endorse McCain.
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 1:02 AM
Thank goodness Mitt didn’t quit, I’ve even updated my “Texans for Mitt” forum on his site. Sign up if you like, I could use some help. MittRomney.com
It’s great that Texans have a say in the matters. Go Mitt!
TexasBella on February 6, 2008 at 1:02 AM
Yeah, probably right. But it comes down to the federal judgeships. At least there’s a chance that we’d be able to hold his feet to the fire on some of those….
Unlike Hillary.
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 1:02 AM
Good point, but realize this: McCain might run us down the road toward socialism. The Dems definitely will. Once we go down that road, we can never come back.
At least with McVain in the WH, we can postpone Europeanization of the US for a few years and maybe replace him with a decent Republican.
With a President Billary or Messiah, that will never happen. You might as well mail your entire paycheck to the IRS.
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:02 AM
BTW I love how the anti war has to chose between Hillary and McCain. Im sure there is some griping going on with the left right now.
William Amos on February 6, 2008 at 1:02 AM
You are probably right because if he ever wants to run again he needs to remain in good standing with the insiders.
flyfisher on February 6, 2008 at 1:02 AM
Hmm, think I’ll run as a third party candidate in the general. I might have a shot. It seems Americans will vote for anybody.
Grayson on February 6, 2008 at 1:02 AM
True. I thought everyone hates this war!
terryannonline on February 6, 2008 at 1:03 AM
Stay nervous, Dem Cong. Actual Dem voters say “Bring it on!” Kind of like actual Republican voters vis-a-vis the punditariat, the blogmeisters, and talk radio.
CK MacLeod on February 6, 2008 at 1:04 AM
If you think John “Alito is too conservative” McCain will be putting a conservative on the Supreme Court, you’ve got another thing coming to you.
He is Hillary but with a sneer instead of a cackle.
Enoxo on February 6, 2008 at 1:04 AM
Actually, I think the talking points for November are already being formulated. When McCain loses big in November, Conservatives are going to be blamed for not supporting McCain. The same Conservatives who ‘Moderates’ and liberal Republicans said were not needed anymore to win.
I’m predicting this now. Just watch. The scapegoat for McCain losing will be the Conservatives who refused to vote for a liberal, socialist Republican and instead decided to work to get Congress to block every liberal, socialist policy of a Democrat President, while still working to inform and educate people about the benefits of conservatism.
Michael in MI on February 6, 2008 at 1:04 AM
And slimmer thighs.
Grayson on February 6, 2008 at 1:05 AM
Your Governor endorsed McCain..
Chakra Hammer on February 6, 2008 at 1:05 AM
Wrong, we’ll all be whining if a Dem is elected. Look dude, McCain is the bottom of the barrel. I’ve been supporting Mitt for almost a year. But it’s over, Prime. It’s McCain or nothing. If the Dems win, the US becomes effectively a socialist country, and we won’t be able to come back.
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:05 AM
This is the smartest thing that’s been said here all night.
One other question on the same subject. Who will get tarred with all that good stuff that John McCain is going to get passed in the first two years of his Presidency? A little hint – it won’t be Democrats.
So, no Republican majority in the House or Senate for at least six more years.
Jimmie on February 6, 2008 at 1:06 AM
This proves that Independents are idiots. 66% oppose the war and they go for McCain? He wants to bomb Iran and stay in Iraq for 100 years. Then those that care about the economy go for McCain too? By his own admission he knows nothing about it. We are a nation of idiots.
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 1:06 AM
You’re dreaming. The best chance we have to stop the dems is in the off year through congress. Just like 1994.
With McShamnesty at the wheel, the dems will be welcomed with open arms and the conservatives will be out in the cold.
There is little difference between the dems and McLiar.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:06 AM
Just think of 8 years of hearing Hillary cackle the state of the Union address.
Vote for your sanity if not John McCain !
William Amos on February 6, 2008 at 1:07 AM
I’d rather have a Democrat as President with the Democrat label screwing things up than a Democrat as President with the Republican label screwing things up.
That way Democrats will be to blame, and not Republicans. Then we’ll have at least a chance of reclaiming Congress and stopping most of the screw ups.
Enoxo on February 6, 2008 at 1:08 AM
I know. But there’s a chance. He can’t completely ignore his party. I’m just sayin’.
Skidd on February 6, 2008 at 1:08 AM
Look guys, remember the quote from Abraham Lincoln about Gen. George McClellan? “We must use the tools we have.” Well, McVain’s a tool, but he’s the only one we have now. I don’t like it any better than you.
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:08 AM
I dunno. I think people underestimate the contempt that John McCain has for conservatives and conservatism. I could see him doing things just to get back at conservatives, whether it was good for the country or not. ie, I can see him supporting bringing back the Fairness Doctrine to shut down his opponents in talk radio and supporting further campaign finance reform to shut down blogs (since this was in the original legislation and taken out at the last minute I believe).
I honestly believe that we have a better chance of energizing the Republican in Congress to block Hillary than we do of energizing them against McCain. Remember, the GOP Congress is infested with liberal Republicans who support McCain. They would be glad to support him in some of his liberal decisions as President. I don’t think they would all be so happy to support Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
I’m just saying, be careful what you wish for and don’t get too comfortable with McCain and assume too much about him.
Michael in MI on February 6, 2008 at 1:08 AM
I agree. As a registered independent since the day I was able to vote a few years ago, I can say with full confidence that we are all idiots. But I would argue, particularly in light of tonight, that the Dems and even a good portion of the Republicans don’t edge us out by much in that department.
Grayson on February 6, 2008 at 1:09 AM
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:02 AM
I don’t know, fiatboomer. See what I said here in response to Skidd.
Michael in MI on February 6, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Once the Dems put Great Society II into action, do you think we’ll ever be able to reclaim Congress again?
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:10 AM
McLiar will lose in November. Period. The MSM has given him a pass and that party is over the day he gets the nomination. McCain avoided the vetting process that the rest of the candidates had to endure. He will be properly vetted now and guess what? It’ll be too late to change your mind.
Get used to whining. You deserve it.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:10 AM
A McCain victory will be portrayed as a validation and mandate for his asinine left wing policies. This will destroy the party for years as the RINO’s in Congress will fall in line behind him. And yes, it will be easier to oppose Hillary than McCain.
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 1:11 AM
We can do anything, we’re Americans.
TexasBella on February 6, 2008 at 1:12 AM
One of the worst things about a McCain defeat in November will be the almost inevitable beating our side will take on Capitol Hill. Somehow we’ve got to escape with a minimum of 41 Senators. Just think of the devastation a Democratic President combined with a filibuster-proof Senate majority would leave in their wake.
flyfisher on February 6, 2008 at 1:12 AM
Hillary vs Obama Hispanic Breakdown California
Latino 18-29 (6%) 67% 32%
Latino 30-44 (10%) 62% 37%
Latino 45-59 (8%) 72% 26%
Latino 60 + (5%) 81% 17%
William Amos on February 6, 2008 at 1:13 AM
Did you look at the turn out? The dems are energized to vote and the reps are apathetic. McAmnesty isn’t going to change that. He is a liberal that the base refuses to support and he will lose in November. Period.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:13 AM
I believe the heavily-armed conservative wing could reclaim anything if it came down to war. ;)
Enoxo on February 6, 2008 at 1:14 AM
Concede at CPAC … with McCain and Bush there? What on earth for?
Mark Jaquith on February 6, 2008 at 1:14 AM
OK, comprimise: Can we at least go out and vote against all the local Dems so they won’t completely dominate Congress?
I don’t know about you, but I live in a swing district and I don’t like my local uber-liberal congressman Jay Inslee. I want him out, as I want our election-stealing Governor Gregoire out. Some things matter – in Washington, anyway.
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:14 AM
I wonder how long it will be before the MSM brings up McCain’s thieving junkie wife?
He thinks the North Vietnamese were tough?
Wait’ll he realizes that the media and the Dems were just setting him up like a doddering patsy.
And that they respect him the way a butcher respects a prize steer.
The McDole ‘choice-cuts’ chart is surely in every liberal news room and Dem political office, ready to be trotted out on cue.
“But I’m a hero!” won’t stop them, Johnny boy.
You’re not their hero.
You’re their sucker.
profitsbeard on February 6, 2008 at 1:14 AM
I had an hour long conversation today about why popular music is such awful, tasteless noise–when there is such great indy rock and great indy pop and great classical music and great bluegrass and great so forth. I suppose it is just the same in politics. The masses suck, and I’m an elitist rino babbling to the far right.
thuja on February 6, 2008 at 1:14 AM
Not arguing. :>
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:15 AM
I’m honestly pretty torn about things. (I’m unique, I know) On the one hand, I loathe McCain and his utter contempt for for pretty much everyone but himself and his boyfriend Teddy. However, I have to say, having either Hillary or Obama go down in history as first women President or first black President (which is which?) really bugs me in a petty sort of way. Those two are clowns and do not deserve to go down in history for anything except being world-class morons.
That being said, I agree with Michael in MI on several points he’s made here.
Grayson on February 6, 2008 at 1:16 AM
God, did anyone hear about the tornado. Who cares about the freakin election, 21 have died so far. Keep them in your prayers.
Complete7 on February 6, 2008 at 1:16 AM
Yeah, Kristol’s a little goofy sometimes. Maybe he’s thinking magnanimous gesture? Dunno.
Allahpundit on February 6, 2008 at 1:16 AM
BINGO. There’s the CAN-DO attitude I like to see. That is what defines America. That is the attitude that formed this nation and helped it endure for 200+ years to become the most prosperous nation in the world. One election will not negate all that, unless we change our attitudes and let 200+ years of prosperity go down the toilet, because we just didn’t care enough to fight for this country.
Again, whenever you start to despair, go read some military books and milblogs and look what those men and women had to endure in order to succeed. Look at the obstacles they had to overcome. If they could do it, so can we.
Michael in MI on February 6, 2008 at 1:16 AM
I shall enjoy that.
Very, very much.
billy on February 6, 2008 at 1:16 AM
I may be crazy here but has anyone else thought of the hope of maybe a third party candidate jumping on board? I know, I know, this NEVER works BUT there seems to be a LOT of people (both on the right and the left; united for once) that are VERY pissed off that our parties no longer represent us at all. There just seems to be a HUGE gap down the middle for someone to step into and save this Country! Washington is completely being stolen away from the people and the Constitution is being shredded by these career politicians that spend decades in Washington. It has turned into something that would make our Founding Fathers absolutely sick! There are 300 million people in this country and only minimal amounts of people from the right and left are voting. There should a new party named (P) for PISSED and frustrated people on BOTH sides would vote in droves. I am 33 and live in DC and the republicans no longer represent me or any of my other Republican friends. This old man from Arizona is a disaster and we have settled for garbage candidates for way too long. It is time to look forward before it is too late. Only problem is, is that I am afraid it is already. We need a young candidate that has NEW IDEAS! Not the same old Washington CRAP! Just my 2 cents from a very
Nils2en on February 6, 2008 at 1:17 AM
I can assure you, so will Bill and Hillary.
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:18 AM
Are you blind? McLiar IS A DEMOCRAT! There is no using him as a republican tool because he is a democrat tool. They have used him to give themselves the weakest candidate to run against in the general. This guarantees them a win.
The only chance we have is to gain seats in congress in the mid year elections just like we did in 1994.
McShanesty will not be president. Thanks to you and your ilk.
csdeven on February 6, 2008 at 1:18 AM
I am sick to death of Kristol and Fred Barnes, it is assholes like them that are destroying us.
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 1:19 AM
The assumption that “the base,” if that is to be understood as the great mass of people who vote with a paticular party, are one and the same with the anti-McCainiacs, who have been so shrill and unpleasant, would seem to be a foregone matter now, wouldn’t it?
Or are we still hoping that Fred get’s enough write-ins?
If not, can we please not have to endure further nonsense about how “the party” betrayed “the base”? If you feel “betrayed” by this primary result, what’s happened is that you’ve adopted views which the base regards as irrelivant and ignorable; perhaps even objectionable.
Hiney Von Pewps on February 6, 2008 at 1:19 AM
Who needs prayers?
In a few months we’ll have St. John of the Sacred Straight Talk who will vanguish global warming toranadoes.
Forever.
For. Ever.
billy on February 6, 2008 at 1:19 AM
Its gonna be amusing to see all the RINO elite and their enablers in the movement snivel and whine when all the big media outlets all start hammering McCain.
doubleplusundead on February 6, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Let’s face it:
Here is the TRUE result of these elections, on the Republican side:
DEATH OF CONSERVATIVE TALK RADIO.
The big halo these so-called “pundits” had on their heads, collapsed. Rushing to Romney for help when it’s too late, when he was there all the time from the very beginning, proves only one thing:
CONSERVATIVE TALK RADIO IS FULL OF HOT AIR!!
Indy Conservative on February 6, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Maybe this is what we need to clean house and get these rotten RINO’s out of the way. In the end, they have hurt us more than the Democrats ever have.
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Oh definitely yes! I’m not advocating sitting out the election. I’m saying that the world does not end and the country does not get destroyed simply with a McCain, Hillary or Obama victory in November. We still have checks and balances in our government. We also have checks and balances within our nation: We, the People are the checks and balanaces on our government.
My point is that we need to have a plan for the likelihood of a liberal, socialist President. Since it seems to be headed towards McCain vs Hillary/Obama, then we better start looking at Congressional seats now and start campaigning and donating to them now. I think that would be a better investment of money and energy than the Presidential campaign, to tell you the truth.
So yes, emphatically yes, let’s vote for local conservative Republicans for Congress to work to stop the liberal, socialist policies of our future President.
Michael in MI on February 6, 2008 at 1:22 AM
Well, let’s see how things are going in late October. If you’re right, we’d have to hope enough Americans do NOT want HillaryCare to wreck the Dems in 2010 like they got wrecked in 1994.
Unfortunately, I think all the young vibrant numbskull voters actually want socialized medicine.
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:22 AM
I have heard that before. Conservative talk radio dies only when Conservatism itself is dead. I don’t see it happening. In fact the audience may grow and become more activist as a result of this McCain disaster
echosyst on February 6, 2008 at 1:22 AM
You hear that folks? Jeff Sessions for Senate Majority Leader!
fiatboomer on February 6, 2008 at 1:23 AM
Well good.
Hopefully another term in the White House will help heal their troubled marriage.
Maybe Rev. Huckabee can conduct a covenant ceremony for them.
Sounds like the sort of modern mush they can all agree upon.
billy on February 6, 2008 at 1:23 AM
Yeah, this really boggles me. Mitt is so far & away the superior “fiscal” candidate with his administrative & private business experience. It just goes to show how ill informed voters are & how much they rely on the MSM to tell them how to vote. I also think that the pro-amnesty Rockefeller Republicans, which dominate the East Coast are a big factor in this goofy outcome.
And gee but it sure looks like Huckadoodle’s Mormon bashing has paid rich dividends in the Deep South. But at least they didn’t go to McCain.
argos on February 6, 2008 at 1:24 AM
The idea that McCain is a “liberal” and that the MSM views him as such is your delusional misgiving.
I cam sort of see why you all may be prone to psychological coping mechanisms like projection and such at this point, but I’ve seen this like six times already.
Hiney Von Pewps on February 6, 2008 at 1:25 AM
There’s plenty, and I mean plenty, of old sallow numbskull voters who want it too.
Grayson on February 6, 2008 at 1:25 AM
I wouldn’t mind. The SC is getting so far to the right at this point that I can understand how the majority of Americans could utterly lose faith in it. It’s horrible mistake when the SC becomes a captured institution by small political groups. It’s what the Robert Court almost has in common with Warren Court. To be clear, the Warren Court was worse.
thuja on February 6, 2008 at 1:25 AM
Third party sounds good to me.
terryannonline on February 6, 2008 at 1:25 AM
That’d be some magnanimous gesture after the barrel of smug lies McCain heaped on Romney. Not to mention Bush allegedly snubbing Romney because of his immigration stance.
Or… maybe Romney will endorse McCain, hoping that he loses. Then he’ll swoop in come 2012 without people accusing him of betraying the party and grab it from Hillary. Still, that’s a lot of pride to swallow on a small chance at the office in four years. But I guess you don’t get that far in politics by being principled and proud.
Mark Jaquith on February 6, 2008 at 1:25 AM
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