Another video reminder: It could be worse, Republicans!
posted at 10:25 am on February 5, 2008 by Bryan
If you listen to what Barack Obama actually says on the campaign trail, you could make several mistakes. You might think America has been off the planet for the past few years. You might think terrorists whose strategy is to kill civilians with the express purpose of terrorizing other civilians deserve not only Geneva Convention rights, but full habeas corpus rights in civilian US courts. You might think the US hasn’t been battling AIDS in Africa and trying to stave off genocide in trouble spots. You might, in short, think that America isn’t leading.
America is leading. The problem is, the rest of the world doesn’t want to follow. The Europeans no longer have credible militaries that are capable of holding up their end of our alliances with them, and the people and politicians of the continent would rather fight for their 35 hour work weeks than their defend basic freedoms. The Russians and China have their own agendas, and they don’t coincide with ours. We do have strong allies like India and Japan, but neither is very capable of acting beyond their own shores. The world’s core countries are fractious at a time when a little unity against the Islamist threat would go a long way. That’s not something that came in with the Bush administration. It’s been a fact of life for quite a while now. Obama is evidently entirely unaware of that, though, and that doesn’t speak well of his ability to handle reality.
So, Republicans, whoever our nominee is, be careful this fall: It could be worse.
OBAMA: I want to go before the world’s community and say “America’s back.”
Where has America been, Senator? Are you saying that America isn’t America when we vote Republican?
OBAMA: We are ready to lead. We will lead, yes, on terrorism. We will lead on locking down loose nuclear weapons. But we will also lead in bringing an end to the genocide in Darfur.
By bugging out too soon, handing al Qaeda a victory and triggering a genocide in Iraq, Senator?
OBAMA: We will also lead…we will also lead on climate change. We will also lead poor countries deal with the devastation of HIV/AIDS. We will close Guantanamo and restore habeas corpus.
To terrorists who aren’t US citizens and have violated the laws of war, Senator? They’re war criminals and mass murderers. Why do they deserve the same rights a US citizen has when accused of a crime? Once Gitmo is closed, where will you put them?
OBAMA: We will lead on human rights, and civil rights.
We already do, Senator. We already do. And in that war that you oppose and would intentionally lose, Senator, we have attempted to spread human rights into a country where they have been suppressed for generations.
And don’t even get me started on the inanity of seeing Ted Kennedy sitting behing one of Obama’s “Change We Can Believe In” signs. That’s just a bad joke.
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If we can’t defeat this empty suit, then we deserve to lose.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 5, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Also, in regards to Romney’s campaign, remember, “The Cake is a Lie.”
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 5, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Must get tasty kaek
pseudonominus on February 5, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Bryan,
If you’re trying to get us to stop the “not-voting for McCain in the general” rhetoric, you’re doing a good job. I don’t like it, but you’re doing a good job.
Tim on February 5, 2008 at 10:35 AM
This guy is ridiculous. Darfur? AIDS?
Typical leftist… only cares about things that have nothing to do with America.
amkun on February 5, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Hollow and meaningless words….he’s all talk with no record to back up his claims – just as Hannity found out last night.
Livefreeordie on February 5, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Yup. His mention of terrorism and nukes was obviously perfunctory. The degree to which something impacts national security is the degree to which Obama doesn’t care about it.
Bryan on February 5, 2008 at 10:39 AM
I understand and appreciate the high character, loyalty, & devotion to duty of the US Soldier. What are the chances that Obama wins, he tells the Marines to “Close Gitmo”, and the Marines tell him to “Get Bent”?
PappaMac on February 5, 2008 at 10:39 AM
We are going to have year round Live Aid Concerts and baking sales to end Darfur.
tomas on February 5, 2008 at 10:40 AM
Agreed Bryan, I came to the same conclusion after watching some of Dem-holes debate in LA. last week! Both YO-mama and Hilla-beast are truely frightening. JayHaw Phrenzie focus dude….where is Romney mentioned in this post????
dmann on February 5, 2008 at 10:42 AM
There is no spoon.
Hollowpoint on February 5, 2008 at 10:44 AM
Do I need to remind you both what this post is actually about, or do you intend to hijack it?
Bryan on February 5, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Zero. Military officials might try to influence his decision, but the President is still Commander In Chief.
Hollowpoint on February 5, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Good question. McCain should be asked the same question.
amerpundit on February 5, 2008 at 10:46 AM
It is a bad joke. He’s served 3 years in the Senate after 11 in the Illinois legislature. His longest employement was as a “community organizer”, whatever that means. He has no executive experience, government or otherwise. He’s never run an organization larger than his Senate staff. No one has ever run for president with no executive experience and so little poltical in our history. Wilson and Harding were more experieced.
Obama is the political equivalent of a speculative bubble. Everybody buys the hype and has big dreams until it bursts and leaves them with nothing but heartache.
If indeed he wins, either he has to shatter the dreams and break the hearts of his naive leftist supporters and govern from the center. Or he does what he says and reaps the whirlwind.
Vote Sauron 08 on February 5, 2008 at 10:47 AM
OMG that’s Ted Kennedy behind him?!! Haha, he looks like Janet Reno in a white wig…
amkun on February 5, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Barack is a mass-hallucination; a projection of the naives’ wishes upon his very blank screen.
He knows how to make pleasant-sounding noises.
But will be taken to the cleaners by China and Russia and the Arab/Islamic world.
He acts like it is 1968, with America only needed to “end the war” and all will be well.
Forgetting that that move only led to the Killing Fields.
Forgetting that our opponents (China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc.) are hacking into our Defense Department and major businesses’ computers looking for technological secrets and intelligence advantages to get a leg up in the endless competition (war) known as Life.
Barack is handing out free puppy calenders while our enemies are robbing the bank’s vault.
profitsbeard on February 5, 2008 at 10:49 AM
O.k. people, now stay home on election day in november.
ThePrez on February 5, 2008 at 10:50 AM
OBAMA:McCAIN: We will close Guantanamo and restore habeas corpus.We do know where McCain wants to put them – Leavenworth, Kansas. This is why I cannot buy the argument that Mac would make a good Commander in Chief or even a good executive.
Buy Danish on February 5, 2008 at 10:52 AM
I doubt he would do anything in Darfur since it would mean protecting Christians against Muslims. I suspect he’d rather see Ann Coulter in the White House than cause any problems for a Muslim.
I don’t want to talk about this anymore. He’s just pi$$ing me off.
snaggletoothie on February 5, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Yeah, I know, but one can dream.
PappaMac on February 5, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Here’s the video where McCain says how the “very first day he is President he would close GITMO and move it to Ft. Leavenworth. It’s become a symbol which is very bad for America”.
This should have been used by Mitt. If he manages to hang in there today he needs a new team getting his message out.
Buy Danish on February 5, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Why should they? Unless you can answer this question apart from tired, boring, and worn out “conservative” talking points that might have made some sense in 1980, it will be worse in November. You “conservatives” are the most myopic and self-deluded political animal in the nation.
Drum on February 5, 2008 at 10:57 AM
It’s true, there isn’t any daylight between McCain and Obama on this. That’s part of why Rush et al are arguing that if Obama and Clinton wouldn’t actually abandon Iraq once they’re in office, McCain isn’t all that different from them. I’m just not so sure that Clinton and particularly Obama won’t really abandon Iraq. I’m pretty sure he would. And then the genius might just put troops in Darfur.
Bryan on February 5, 2008 at 10:59 AM
A lot of people claim that campaign rhetoric doesn’t really matter because the President is constrained in our system by Congress and the courts. Therefore, Hillary and Obama can babble all they want, but in reality, how badly could they hurt us?
Well, in the foreign policy world, the President is #1 in our system. So the fact is that if Hillary or Obama get elected, they could do very serious damage to our country by implementing their idiotic, defeatist ideas as actual government policy. I firmly believe Obama would; he strikes me as a “true believer.” Hillary is probably more in the Bill Clinton vein of triangulation and poll-watching; but we know that Bill Clinton’s triangulating and lack of spine hurt us badly. Bottom line – Obama and Hillary would be very disastrous.
So, while I personally would prefer Romney (aka Wink Martindale) to be our nominee, I, Like Bryan (apparently), have come around to the view that this is no time for party discipline and we will have to reluctantly fall in line behind Maverick should Romney (Wink!) fail to unseat him.
Outlander on February 5, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Well, we all could get together and defeat the Islamist threat. In case you forgot, that’s issue that you liberals tend to rank somewhere way behind Darfur and maybe ahead of midnight basketball leagues. America has tried to lead the world on that, but you liberals keep smearing the troops and the country and lying about Gitmo and just about everything else related. And the European countries keep deploying their troops everywhere but places where combat is actually taking place.
It’s not conservatives who are self-deluded. If you want self-deluded, head over to Michael Moore’s site. He still has that “they are the Minutemen, and they will win” statement up over there. He was siding with the insurgents in Iraq. You liberals rewarded him with a seat next to Jimmy Carter at the ’04 DNC convention.
Bryan on February 5, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Obama will have the power to send our troops into Sudan, congress or no congress.
But he won’t want to fund them sufficiently to face the threat. Just like Bill Clinton in Somalia.
I don’t see how anybody who cares about our military people can say any (and yes, I even mean Huckabee) republican is = Obama or Hillary.
funky chicken on February 5, 2008 at 11:05 AM
First one who knows what this is from earns mad respect from me (which is what I know you all crave):
(no cheating/googling, though I’m just operating on the honor system)
RightWinged on February 5, 2008 at 11:05 AM
the interesting if not scary thing about Obama, is he’s showing so far that special type of Political skill that is so rare(Reagan, JFK) that connects with a broad range of people. So far its completely substanceless. But what will be interesting is when his views and past become well known, how much of this support his sheds. If he turns all the moderates to the left and gains some “Obama Republicans” like Reagan had dems….we are finished.
jp on February 5, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Exactly! One of the great things about this country. We in the military take our orders from whoever the voters send to the Whitehouse. We don’t have to like them. We don’t have to respect them, but we do have to take their orders and carry out their policies or resign. The people, through their choice for President, no matter how bad the choice, control the military.
jwp1964 on February 5, 2008 at 11:05 AM
As a black conservative, my issues with Obama are complex.
I find myself hoping that Clinton beats him. It will be the result of core corruption of the Democrats, which black voters MUST finally acknowledge. Black folks might descend into depression, but with some work the Republican party could finally bring them home, assuming there is still a Republican party. Tough love.
Should McCain get the nomination, it will be because of Republican core corruption. Perhaps they want to lose. Fine. Better the final destruction of McCain than Romney.
This idea that McCain will get ONE Democrat, Liberal, or Independent vote is a fantasy. They are full of hate, and McCain is no teddy bear.
Agrippa2k on February 5, 2008 at 11:07 AM
or the Paleo fringes, who have got just as ignorant and insane as the the Left that they are following.
jp on February 5, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Buy Danish, I mean this as kindly as possible, but you don’t have any damn idea what you are talking about.
Find some active duty military folks. Ask them if they think there is any difference between Hillary and McCain. They may not know about Obama vs McCain because Obama is getting away with running on empty platitudes thus far, and the MSM will continue to let him do it.
Do you really believe that Obama or Hillary will spend the money the military needs to rebuild, repair, and develop technological superiority in warfare? NO, they are liberals, who think it’s “not fair” for us to be the world superpower.
funky chicken on February 5, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Absolutely Zero.
- The Cat
MirCat on February 5, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Oops, sorry about that Bryan.
There’s no question that McCain- for all his faults- would be a better, more conservative President than Obama or Hillary. On nearly every issue McCain is weak on, the Dems are even weaker- I don’t exactly see them running away from Kyoto or amnesty either.
However, the counter to the “lesser of two evils” argument is that by pulling the lever for whomever has the “R” next to their name- no matter what their record- only goes to make our elected officials less accountable rather than more.
I plan on sitting it out not just because my preferred candidate lost and a lousy one won- in previous elections I’d have had no problem voting for the likes of McCain or Romney. I plan on staying home because the Republican party is in shambles- growing government, increased spending, amnesty, etc. Without a candidate that will convincingly be a part of the solution in halting the leftward shift rather than representing part of the problem, I don’t want to reward the betrayal of conservative principles by our own pary that we’ve seen over the past 8 years.
Hollowpoint on February 5, 2008 at 11:12 AM
I don’t support closing Gitmo, but it wouldn’t be the disaster you are worried about either. He’s not thinking about putting these folks in with the tax evaders or whatever. I have a friend who was a US Marine prison guard at Ft. Leavenworth for one of his tours. Er, the jihadists won’t be a threat to the population of Kansas if they are held there.
It will also be a whole lot cheaper to hold them in Leavenworth than Gitmo. Then we can turn Club Gitmo into a retreat center and health spa, which will better take advantage of the lovely climate and views anyway.
Yeah, the thing about the spa is a joke, but from reading the menus these bastards get to choose from, it appears that the kitchen staff is in place anyway.
funky chicken on February 5, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Agreed that Rush is not necessarily right on this. While it’s possible that Hillary would keep the troops in, I’m afraid that Obama would pull out in a heartbeat and, as you say, redeploy to Darfur.
This GITMO thing really bothers me about McCain. It is a very dangerous position to take (along with his whining about waterboarding). I expect this sort of leftward pandering from Dems, not from a Republican, especially one who is running on his defense creds.
Scary that the odds are that one of the three will be sitting in the White House.
Buy Danish on February 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Fred Siegel in City Journal:
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Vote Sauron 08 on February 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM
In this NPR segment one of the panelist says if Obama doesn’t win the nomination, he’s voting Republican. The others seemed shocked by his statement.
terryannonline on February 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM
While WE may split hairs about whether Obama is a muslim, our enemies will not. Think UBL will?
While is seems Obama last went to mosque at an early age, he didn’t exactly get baptized in Hawaii. I doubt his liberal grandparents took him to church. From his book, he claims he did not know anything about Christ until he was a community activist (good for business) in his 30s – hen he made the “choice”.
I think his meetings with foreign mullahs will be difficult when they won’t shake his hand, and there are fatwas for his assassination. Seem extreme? Our enemies are extreme.
Agrippa2k on February 5, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Like Custer, Obama is ready to lead us.
fogw on February 5, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Yeah I’d love to hear the plan for this. Especially Darfur. OH EM GEE Obama! I hope you’re not going to invade a country to export Democracy just because of a little genocide are you?
Or are we talking fighting with some “Yes we can” banners and the power of happiness?
Dash on February 5, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Hollowpoint, on growing gvmt, McCain is excellent. On out of control spending? Also excellent.
Romney, well, he told the people in Iowa he was for ethanol subisdies (McCain isn’t for them) and in Michigan he told people he would spend federal $$ to try to bring back their jobs (McCain said the opposite).
McCain opposed the medicare drug plan because it would spend too much money and expand government.
But please, as a military wife whose husband has 5 years left until retirement, please vote for the GOP candidate for president, whoever it is. Both McCain and Romney are moderate enough to put MN in play (especially if Frankin beclowns himself like I expect/pray he does) so your vote is important.
Obama and Hillary will do nothing to help our military recover from years at war with too small of budgets. McCain definitely will, and I trust Romney a whole lot more than Hill/Obama on this score.
Amnesty. Yeah, McCain’s awful, Romney’s rhetoric is strong, his past behavior weaker.
But your other stated issues? Slam dunk.
funky chicken on February 5, 2008 at 11:21 AM
At first I thought Bill Clinton was just being a bitter ass hole about calling Obama a “fairy tale” or whatever he called Obama’s run for the presidency but more and more it seems true. This guy has very little substance.
Yakko77 on February 5, 2008 at 11:21 AM
I think this site got some talking points and is slowly trying to get everyone to vote for McCain if he wins the nomination.
tomas on February 5, 2008 at 11:25 AM
This guy’s smarter than I thought. Muss the chappaquidicator’s hair so that he looks like Newt on video, and put him in the shot supporting Obama!
benjo on February 5, 2008 at 11:26 AM
I wonder how long it would be before he brought millions from darfour over here.
saiga on February 5, 2008 at 11:26 AM
You don’t understand. It’s more than a security issue; it has to do with their access to lawyers and courts.
This is interesting info which gives every candidates position on closing GITMO. (Except for Fred Thompson. I’ll see if I can find where he stood on this issue.)
Just another reason I support Mitt, and probably another reason why Tancredo endorsed him.
City Journal is a great publication and I love Fred Siegel. Have you read The future once happened here?
Buy Danish on February 5, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Black voters are very paranoid about what Obama’s run means. I’ve heard every crazy theory including “he will get assassinated”. The Democrats have “left” them irrational.
The so called black leaders see Obama as a threat, while black voters are not ready to understand conservative ideology. Thank the educational system and liberal brain washing.
While liberals “white guilt” is severely diluted, should Obama win (the black leaders conclude), liberals will finally be off the hook. End of power.
This would lead to total chaos, an atmosphere that will not make bringing black voters home to the Republican party any easier. The rhetoric and euphoria will be deafening.
Agrippa2k on February 5, 2008 at 11:29 AM
I guess your calling me a liberal is akin to me calling you conservative, neither of which is true.
All I’m saying is that of the things that you think are worthy of emulating or following, I can’t figure how we’re leading? Economically? Our economy is a mess? Militarily? Both wars are disasters. Culturally? No comment necessary. Now, what about the really moral issues? Abortion? 1.2 million per year. Family values? 1 in 2 marriages end in divorce (this includes Christian marriage). We lead the world in porn production and apparently our family values spokesmen dig it as much as anybody.
Now, you will say that I’m ignoring all the great things about America that are worthy of emulating and following. No, I’m not. It’s just that you so-called conservatives have no idea of what it is that is imperative that we conserve. You want to conserve our military bootprint throughout the world — 800 military bases, many of which are Cold War era and have no use other than antagonizing the natives; think Okinawa.
You lambast Eurabia for its immigration woes, all the while it is a given that our borders mean nothing as well, notwithstanding the noble attempt last fall to defeat amnesty (you know as well as I do that that was a temporary respite from what will be the inevitable liberal immigration policy).
You see, you can’t be the world hegemon, and then expect to be able to protect your own sovereignty at the same time. If you’re going to stomp all over the globe, expect the globe to return the favor.
The Republican Party’s problem is allowing a little bit of liberalism so as to not comme off as being too nativist, prejudiced, backward, unhip, whatever. We’re like the Christian parents who allow a little bit of pot, and a little bit of porn, only to find that their children and taken it as an open inivitation to complete debauchery.
We’re reaping the whirlwind, and you’re surprised.
Learn what conservatism really is.
Drum on February 5, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Settle down, everyone. Obama is selling his MLK lookalike to a specific market. If he pulls out of Iraq and puts us in Darfur, the results will doom him and every Congressman who votes for it. They know that. He isn’t capable of handling the office and would create so much chaos that all his camp followers will get some on them. Hillary and mcCain would be more dangerous as presidents. They are much better politicians and know how to avoid taking blame.
a capella on February 5, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Buy Danish, I understand the due process concern. However, let me tell you how the deal will work, if somehow McCain got elected. He’d be inaugurated in Jan, 2009. A couple months to get the cabinet up and running, and to deal with putting out the fires that will spout up no matter which republican is elected (keep hope alive). Then they propose to move these lovely, well-fed sweethearts to KS. The governor of KS (lib dem) is gonna throw a fit, which will mean that they will build a new supermax-style facility to house the lovely jihadists. That will take the government a couple of years at least, and inject money into the KS economy (and provide a facility that can be used for a long time for other lifer types as well). Jihadists wouldn’t move in for at least 4 years from now.
And the Marines who work as guards there are not wimps.
I think leaving the bastards at Gitmo is fine, but it is costing us more money than housing them long term in Leavenworth would, and from a military family standpoint, the guards down there spend a year away from their kids instead of living at home with the family in Kansas.
Lots of wives and children of these guards would rather the jihadists be housed in Leavenworth too.
funky chicken on February 5, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Thompson: No Habeus Corpus for Gitmo Prisoners
Buy Danish on February 5, 2008 at 11:45 AM
So you’re a Paulnut, with that stuff about our overseas bases. Geez. No wonder I mistook you for a liberal. Some of what you guys say is indistinguishable from what comes out of Ralph Nader’s mouth. Paul is where the nutty left meets the nutty right.
To take your main complaint, the overseas bases exist because the host countries want them. They also help pick up some of the bill to support them. You’d know that if you bothered to get beyond Paul’s talking points. When the host country doesn’t want them anymore, we pack up and either come home or redeploy to another country that does want US protection. See the Philippines for evidence of the former, Japan for the latter. You Paulnuts would do well to envision how the world would look if our troops hadn’t been overseas keeping South Korea free, keeping the Soviets from overrunning Western Europe and keeping China out of Japan. For starters. You would also do well to knock off the “you’re not a real conservative” and “learn what conservatism really is” crap when you sound like a leftist yourself on some issues. That’s just arrogant Paulnut noise that irritates everyone you need if you actually want to get past 3% in the polls. Empire? Bootprint? That’s utter leftist nonsense.
As for Okinawa, they’re not even all that crazy about being ruled from Tokyo. The island was once its own kingdom and still retains some of that attitude. Basing our Japan policies on that would be a mistake.
Bryan on February 5, 2008 at 11:47 AM
I appreciate your concerns from a personal perspective as a military wife, but that is an absolutely terrible reason to close GITMO.
Buy Danish on February 5, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Is anyone besides me having a problem with their computer today?
Mine is going kaflooey. Not being a techie (that’s an understatement) I don’t know if it has to do with increased internet traffic because it’s Super Tuesday, or if it’s a problem unique to my computer or server.
Buy Danish on February 5, 2008 at 11:51 AM
My internet browser keeps crashing.
terryannonline on February 5, 2008 at 11:54 AM
US citizens can contribute voluntarily to charities (Darfur, Aids, etc…) We know where to send the check to…..it is the internet age, you know. Obama, Hillary, government, etc……keep your hands off my money! I earned it!
nottakingsides on February 5, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Arrgg!! Everytime I’m sure I can’t or won’t vote for McCain, I’m reminded of how bad the Democrats are…
It’s a terrible conundrum…
I am going to have REALLY pinch my nose in November.
I really hope Romney gets it, but if he doesn’t… ugg.
I think I may have to vote for “anybody but democrat” and I think that may mean McCain. *sigh*
Nineball on February 5, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Bryan have you seen the ACU ratings on Paul over his career? He’s down in the 30s and 40s, where all the other guys are up in the high 50s to 80s.
Math education really is hurting in this country.
funky chicken on February 5, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Buy Danish….saving federal government money by housing prisoners in Leavenworth instead of Gitmo is a terrible reason to consider changing their location?
The guys wouldn’t escape from Leavenworth. If they tried the guards would have some fun with them.
I’m actually agnostic on the question now, whereas before I scoffed at any suggestion of closing Gitmo.
So, hey, thanks for encouraging my
SECOND LOOK AT GITMO.
Saves tax dollars. Keeps daddies at home. Makes the international leftists find a new thing to cry about (oh, yes they will find one, I’m not stupid.)
heh
funky chicken on February 5, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Damn, two more reasons. Now we provide air transit to all of the idiot attorneys and inspectors who want to visit our “guests.”
Think of Gaia. Put them in the middle of the country. Let them experience the “brutal KS winter.”
LOL this is kinda fun
funky chicken on February 5, 2008 at 12:03 PM
My earlier response isn’t showing up; let me try again:
I agree that McCain doesn’t get enough credit for being hawkish on spending; he’s actually been pretty strong in that regard- particularly important considering the spending addiction Republicans have developed lately. That Romney has run as a Big Government Conservative is probably the main reason I can’t support him- but of course McCain is deeply flawed in other ways.
Minnesota has gone blue since… I don’t remember, 1972 I think. If it gets to the point where it becomes a very close race here of all places, I suspect that McCain will have it sewn up regardless of which way MN goes.
Hollowpoint on February 5, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Yep, Obama will not be doing anything about Darfur, considering he is siding with his Islamic sharia law- and jihad-supporting cousin Odinga in nearby Kenya.
Barack is simply pandering to the ignorant. That’s all. And it’s working, since he has a fawning mass media who will not hold him to account on anything, and the majority of American citizens are completely ignorant of everything.
Michael in MI on February 5, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Close Guantanamo and restore habeas corpus? Dude. As long as we’re going to “restore” habeas corpus rights to terrorists (who never had those rights to begin with), how about restoring 2d amendment rights to the rest of us? God knows, if the terrorists are going to get sprung from Gitmo and permitted to wander around at leisure, I’d at least like to be armed.
morganfrost on February 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Thanks, mine too and restarting it didn’t help. I’m in Georgia …don’t know if it’s a local DSL problem.
This is the one which stuck out, but if the truth be told none of them are good reasons. It’s the Habeus Corpus thing.
Buy Danish on February 5, 2008 at 12:11 PM
All Cold War era business. We won. But apparently that wasn’t enough.
Now we can’t keep China out of the Long Beach port. Why not? Because we love cheap sh*t, even if it does mean that American workers suffer as a consequence.
As for our bases, you say that the host countries want them there. Of course, what you mean is the governments of those countries want them there. And why wouldn’t then when we have them in our back pockets? But how about what the people of those countries want? I thought we were all about exporting democracy. We are, just so long as a government and decisions that we’re cool with are the result.
Your trouble is that you fancy yourself part of the great elite of American movers and shakers.
But when the fruits of liberalism (which is where the real movers and shakers of American reside on the political spectrum) fall from the tree in the form of open borders, dhimmitude, amnesty; national debt, a weak dollar, and the sell-out of American business and manufacturing; and John McCain becomes the Republican nominee; you don’t know what hit you and you find that you’re as common and mass as the citizens of the countries that you think America deserves to boss around.
Drum on February 5, 2008 at 12:14 PM
I don’t know – once we’ve invaded Pakistan, Darfur might be considered a “distraction”.
John from WuzzaDem on February 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Don’t try crawling into my head. You have no idea how I view myself or what you’re talking about. You’re just coughing up typical Ronulan talking points and self-righteous arrogance. Do you think I want dhimmitude, open borders or any of that other stuff when I spend 18 hours a day here railing against it? If you do, you’re not paying attention. I’m done with this timewaster. Arguing with Paulnuts is never worth the effort.
Bryan on February 5, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Hillary wants to find you a job.
Obama wants to find America.
No matter how you pretty up a pig in makeup, it’s still a pig.
Kini on February 5, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Michael in MI, correct.
funky chicken on February 5, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Hollowpoint–I have faith in Al Frankin to make such an ass of himself that it might put MN in play.
funky chicken on February 5, 2008 at 12:31 PM
This from the candidate who wants “unity”.
Riiight.
*sigh* Damn you McCain.
If you’re our nominee, I’ll bloody f%#$*#$ vote for you.
Least I’ll have until November to stew over it, and practice holding my nose.
Hawkins1701 on February 5, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Meh; maybe- but I’m not sure that the Senate race will carry over into the Presidential race. We’ve had Republican senators, representatives and governors elected and re-elected while at the same time voting Dem for the presidential race.
Jesse Ventura, Paul Welstone… Minnesota politics are weird.
Who knows- maybe I’ll be guilted into voting come November, but right now I just don’t see voting “lesser of two evils” after seeing where it’s gotten us.
Hollowpoint on February 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM
I could never bring myself to vote for a candidate who spends gobs of money on campaign signage with slogans ending in prepositions.
Simpleton.
Wingo on February 5, 2008 at 12:55 PM
“Oh, and of course, World Peace!”
iurockhead on February 5, 2008 at 1:06 PM
What the H are you talking about? I mean this as kindly as possible, but do you know how to read? Where have I said that I think Obama or Hillary would be worth a damn as a Commander in Chief?
I said that Obama and McCain hold the same position on GITMO, and I stated that I find that position “scary”.
I said that Hillary might be inclined to leave troops in Iraq and not immediately cut and run, while I sense that Obama would actively try to pull out.
Why do I need you or any “military folks” to explain this to me? Indeed, you think we should close up GITMO, which is foolhardy, so if you represent military thinking, no thanks – I’ll look elsewhere for guidance.
Buy Danish on February 5, 2008 at 1:53 PM
How does that mesh with the “change” rhetoric?
Isn’t this what the libs complain about, the notion that we are so much superior to others that we arrogantly think we can lead?
davidk on February 5, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Drum, go read “how to make friends and influence people” again.
You missed some stuff the first time.
Merovign on February 5, 2008 at 2:06 PM
I’m in DE and my ‘puter/browser was acting up. Nothing seemed to make it better.
Seems to be acting OK now.
davidk on February 5, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Bryan, please don’t let the fuzz brains get to you. Everybody seems to be on edge today. The stakes are very high.
Praying people need to pray.
davidk on February 5, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Obama says he’ll “obey the Constitution of the United States”.
The living, breathing, occasionally sweating, Constitution.
Tzetzes on February 5, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Is that what I have to look forward to for the next 4 years? Saying “it could be worse” to myself over and over again?!!
ballz2wallz on February 5, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Did he sue the FEC to try to force them to regulate internet communications, or is McCain still the only candidate who has that on his record?
Oh, McCain is still the only one… but Obama is worse?
Are you sure?
gekkobear on February 5, 2008 at 11:21 PM
No! That’s what I’m saying! You’re going to get all that awful stuff because you’ve been suckered into believing that the typical Republian representative is interested in securing American interests. Bull! And so you wake up one day to find that the borders aren’t secure; the economy is in shambles; soldiers are dying for nothing; Muslims are having their a**ses kissed; and America no longer resembles the country you’ve been working to conserve.
But you think Romney’s the man. Precious.
Drum on February 6, 2008 at 1:59 AM
McCain still stucks. (sorry venting)
BadBrad on February 6, 2008 at 7:09 AM
Boy how does Teddy feel, he could not get his state to vote for Obama.
MSGTAS on February 6, 2008 at 8:46 AM