Zogby: Mitt leads by eight in California?
posted at 9:34 am on February 4, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Again, California isn’t winner-take-all whereas New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Arizona, where McCain has prohibitive leads, all are. But if you’re looking for something to keep Mitt in the race awhile longer, a win tomorrow in Disneyland might do it.
“Romney is widening his lead in California and has a really big advantage with conservatives,” Zogby said. “Romney winning California would give some Republicans pause when they look at McCain as the potential nominee.”
Romney said he would cut short a scheduled trip to Georgia and fly back to California on Monday for a last-minute campaign visit.
“People there are taking a real close look at the race and it looks like I’ve got a good shot there,” Romney told reporters.
Romney’s best shot in a winner-take-all state is Missouri, where’s he’s been inching closer but still trails Maverick by 5-10 points in most polls.
How to explain the tidal wave towards McCain? Ruffini reminds us that the Republican base of conservatives isn’t so vast that a slight lead among them for Mitt can’t offset a huge lead for Mac among moderates. But that only prompts the question of why Mitt’s lead even among the core is so marginal. Politico has the answer, although Karl had it before they did. It’s not about policy, it’s about character — or perceptions thereof:
In every state since New Hampshire where exit polls have asked voters what was more important, a candidate’s position on the issues or a candidate’s leadership and personal qualities, McCain has won among those who said that character mattered more than policy stances.
And he’s not just winning among voters motivated by strength of character - he’s blowing away the competition. With the exception of Michigan, he’s enjoyed a double-digit margin over his rivals among this subset. And even in Michigan, which he lost to Mitt Romney by nine points, McCain still outpaced the former Massachusetts governor by four points on the question of personal qualities versus leadership…
[His core supporters of older voters] are driven more by timeless principles of sacrifice and integrity than they are by hot-button social issues.
For these voters – and at times, it would seem, for the candidate himself - issues are almost beside the point when compared to the importance that personal qualities play in molding a potentially great president.
It’s duty, honor, and country, stupid.
The ironic punchline? It’s his character, not his policies, that’s alienated so many of his colleagues in the senate. Although of course not so terribly much that they won’t happily kiss ass if he’s the nominee. Exit question: If Kaus is right that McCain is the most dangerous candidate vis-a-vis amnesty on either side, won’t some of those senate grudges come in mighty handy in mobilizing opposition to him? That is to say, isn’t it Obama who’s the big threat on this issue, especially since he’ll be looking for a way to shore up Hispanic support ahead of 2012?
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If Romney wins California look for this thing to be decided on the convention floor.
GO MITT!
joncoltonis on February 4, 2008 at 9:38 AM
You know who has a lot of character? Obama. Let’s see if we can get him to be our nominee.
Why not? Oh, right. Because his policies teh suck.
amerpundit on February 4, 2008 at 9:41 AM
Keep hope alive, indeed.
fourstringfuror on February 4, 2008 at 9:44 AM
I am not giving up on Romney! I live in Al. A month ago the polls said Huckabee would win AL with double digits. Now Rasmussen puts the nominees in this order. McCain, Romney then Huckabee. ALL with-in 3 percentage points! Same 3 % points in Tenn & GA. I trust Rasmussen more than any of the other polls.
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 9:47 AM
A win in California might be enough to give Romney momentum in post-Super Tuesday states, especially if he can take a southern state like Georgia as well. Still, I’m not all that optimistic.
What would a McCain presidency look like?
A thousand words.
Slublog on February 4, 2008 at 9:47 AM
See above comment… keep the faith!
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 9:49 AM
Maybe I need another cup of coffee. I don’t get this analysis from Kaus:
McCain might be able to claim voter validation of his long-standing pro-legalization views. Certainly the Republicans wouldn’t be united against a McCain “comprehensive” bill.
Buy Danish on February 4, 2008 at 9:53 AM
Mitt is more popular in Northern San Diego, at least that is where I see his signs. Problem is many Filipinos, Vietnamese, and retired military just do not know him. Allha made the point about orimary voters that are plugged into the Republican party and not conservatism. I tend to believe it is like this in the reest of the state as well.
Theworldisnotenough on February 4, 2008 at 9:53 AM
I wouldn’t. Rasmussen hasn’t been doing very well this year see:
http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/01/26/2008-presidential-primary-pollster-report-card-through-012608/
By the way, IMHO, this is about staying alive. If Romney wins CA with a great margin, he stays alive. If not, and McCain wins 2/3rds of the other states, including the winner take all states, Romney is gone (or should not be spending any more of his money).
bnelson44 on February 4, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Media can’t pick our candidates for us; media can go kiss a betamax.
Here’s a memory from the 2004 Prez fight; no detail was left untouched-all media read from the same script, that Kerry was the up and comer, and President Bush would be roundly defeated.
I remember watching the ABC pre-morning show, the lowest of the low, and two women were commenting about a Christian artist who was going to be singing at a Bush rally:
“Isn’t that just sad and desperate?”
“It really is; it won’t help him at all, and might turn some voters off.”
Media tells us that McCain is the Republican nominee.
Isn’t that just sad and desperate?
It really is.
Doug on February 4, 2008 at 9:55 AM
bizzyblog:
Subsidized care plan’s cost to double
Enrollment is outstripping state’s estimate
February 3, 2008
The subsidized insurance program at the heart of the state’s healthcare initiative is expected to roughly double in size and expense over the next three years - an unexpected level of growth that could cost state taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars or force the state to scale back its ambitions.
State projections obtained by the Globe show the program reaching 342,000 people and $1.35 billion in annual expenses by June 2011. Those figures would far outstrip the original plans for the Commonwealth Care program, largely because state officials underestimated the number of uninsured residents.
And, in case you’ve missed this point before, WE are being asked to pay for Mitt Romney’s handiwork — while of course, despite the out-of-control costs, Democratic Governor Deval Patrick is dedicated to keeping the black hole intact:
The state has asked the federal government to shoulder roughly half of the program’s cost from 2009 through 2011, but there is no guarantee of that funding. Commonwealth Care provides free or subsidized insurance for low- and moderate-income residents.
“The state alone cannot support that kind of spending increase,” said Michael Widmer, president of the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation, a business-funded budget watchdog group.
….. The administration of Governor Deval Patrick produced the new estimates to launch negotiations for federal funding, and has shared them with some state health leaders at closed-door meetings. Patrick is seeking about $1.5 billion over three years, half the cumulative cost for Commonwealth Care. The administration declined to discuss the numbers or the assumptions behind them, citing the ongoing negotiations.
Naturally, Talk Radio’s new Mr. Right is pretending he’s not responsible:
The expanding need for new state and federal money is in sharp contrast to the statements made by former governor Mitt Romney, when he proposed the initiative in 2004 and as he campaigns for president. He has repeatedly suggested that the state could insure low-income residents largely by reallocating money paid to hospitals and health centers that serve the uninsured.
“The bill that I submitted to the Legislature didn’t cost $1 more than what we were already spending,” he said Wednesday night during a GOP debate. “However, the Legislature and now the new Democratic governor have added some bells and whistles.”
Cue the laugh track.
So will Rush, Laura, Sean, Levin, Beck et al talk about this today? Or will they use the day to take their last best shots at John McCain and demand that Mike Huckabee withdraw?
The Left has to be relishing this. Talk Radio spent day after day after day (justifiably) ripping HillaryCare in 1993 and 1994 (addendum: and danced on HillaryCare’s grave for the next dozen years after that). Now its Chosen “Conservative” is the guy who established HillaryCare in Massachusetts, created a miserable failure, and is now pretending it’s not his fault.
Any talker who brings up Hillary Clinton’s willingness to garnish the wages of workers to force them to buy health care but doesn’t bring up the RomneyCare ought to be called out for first-order hypocrisy.
funky chicken on February 4, 2008 at 9:56 AM
No matter what happens, this election will send a message to the Ford-Rockafella wing of the GOP. McCain will never be in the White House, except by invitation from Hill. A vote against McCain is one step and one term closer to a true conservative party. Let the pain begin now.
saved on February 4, 2008 at 9:57 AM
Hopefully McCain can hold him off. I’m interested in winning in November.
GO SIDNEY!
Complete7 on February 4, 2008 at 9:57 AM
Yeah, all this “character” talk is nauseating. I think my definition must be different, because I think empty suits who spout meaningless garbage and pricks are not the people I usually care to deal with.
But that’s just me.
Good point. I keep thinking about what that guy at the Las Vegas debates was saying about latinos and Obama - they will never, ever, not in a million years vote for him.
Doesn’t seem like it would happen, though; it may very well kill the beast. Iff it comes up again, it’ll be after the 2012 elections - well after the Dems have pushed their socialist healthcare system and whatever other vote-buying shams on the country.
amkun on February 4, 2008 at 9:57 AM
McCain is very strong amongst the Vietnamese.
bnelson44 on February 4, 2008 at 9:57 AM
Thanks for the Protein Wisdom link, AP. I have something about McCain’s temper and his colleagues up this morning.
Karl on February 4, 2008 at 9:57 AM
Oh, goody. Let the cut-and-paste debate begin.
Slublog on February 4, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Sure, that’s why so many here vote the way Rush, Sean and Laura tell them to.
bnelson44 on February 4, 2008 at 9:58 AM
NO !! GO FRED !!! I never give up hope .
OBX Pete on February 4, 2008 at 9:59 AM
Ok folks. Get it out of your system, cause after Maverick’s big win tomorrow we need to have a group hug then go get the Clintons.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 4, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Correction, my thing on McCain’s temper will be up around 10:20 CST. With a de facto group blog, you gotta space things out.
Karl on February 4, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Quiet Chosen One!
We’ll never vote McCain.
CABE on February 4, 2008 at 10:02 AM
My condolences to all Patriot fans everywhere. I saw Mitt running around yesterday afternoon with his Patriots hat on and I knew it was over. Better luck next year, no cheating please.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 4, 2008 at 10:03 AM
A few things. First of all, we’re not giving up when the vote hasn’t even taken place and the polls have been shown to be terribly wrong before. Second, you’re assuming Clinton will be the Dem nominee. Third, all conservatives aren’t just going to run over and hug McCain after his crapping on our collective face for years.
amerpundit on February 4, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Great, so he can be President of California then. :-P
ThePrez on February 4, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, now. I don’t get to vote until March 4… that is, depending on the outcome of the ACLU’s lawsuit to declare paper ballots unconstitutional.
saint kansas on February 4, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Yes…absolutely. Add in the dynamic of Chicago political gerrymandering by the Democrat Mob — a race interest group spoils system in which the Hispanic pols have to be greased periodically — and you have a candidate with fewer enemies than most and a burning need to pander to Hispanics as soon as he gets the chance.
As an added bonus, he’s a 1960s liberal who instinctively is inclined to do stupid things, like open borders. I think he is also the least likely candidate from either party to move for border security.
Jaibones on February 4, 2008 at 10:05 AM
I NEVER vote the way anybody tells me to. The fact that the above named conservatives, whom I trust, have come to the same conclusion as I have,only serves to reinforce my decision.
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 10:06 AM
If Eli Manning can beat Tom Brady, Mitt can beat McCain. Cmon man! Two upsets in one week!
AbaddonsReign on February 4, 2008 at 10:06 AM
This isn’t just hope for Mitt, this is excitment!
For Mitt to start taking the lead in California after the MSM has been trumpeting McCain, and after the Governator has endorsed McCain, is a major turnaround of its own.
Mitt is now looking to win the majority of California’s delegates, when before the media was making it look like he could only hope to win a small part of the delegates is a major turnaround.
I am with Mitt for the win!
Tim Pancoast on February 4, 2008 at 10:07 AM
AMEN BRO’ !!
OBX Pete on February 4, 2008 at 10:07 AM
I agree Amerpundit. Those who think that, are sadly mistaken. I will not vote for McCain, period.
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Sorry, bro. No hugs for you until the voters have all had their say. If McCain wins something tomorrow, you’ll just have to settle for flogging the bishop again.
Jaibones on February 4, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Desperation is never attractive.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 4, 2008 at 10:09 AM
LOL!!
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 10:09 AM
It was inhumane this morning listening to Bill Bennett interview…umph…Arlen Spectre about John McCain.
So much RINO manure.
saint kansas on February 4, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Neither are McCain’s policies, but you don’t leave him.
amerpundit on February 4, 2008 at 10:10 AM
War Hero vs. Billy Jeff and the Cackler
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 4, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Neither is arrogance.
It doesn’t look good for Romney, but McCain and his supporters have got to stop counting their chickens.
Slublog on February 4, 2008 at 10:11 AM
And, again, you’re assuming we’re going to end up running against Clinton.
amerpundit on February 4, 2008 at 10:12 AM
saint kansas, paper ballots are unconstitutional? LOL, damn all them elections for the past 200 years or so, right out the window?
funky chicken on February 4, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Why would I leave a winner.
Your newly minted hero is toast after tomorrow.
Looking to a ZOGBY poll for hope? How desperate must Mitt be.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 4, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Yeah, it’s almost gotten to the point where I’d rather see Mitt just because it’d be such a huge rebuke to our media. God I want to see those faces were it to come down like that.
amkun on February 4, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Whoever wins the primary for the GOP gets my vote. Neither McCain nor Romney is my cup of tea, but they are both miles ahead of the democrat alternatives.
I haven’t seen many McCain supporters doing the shrieking that they would never, never support Romney in the general election, BTW. That seems to be a Romneyite speciality.
funky chicken on February 4, 2008 at 10:16 AM
/keep
thareb on February 4, 2008 at 10:16 AM
For some weird reason I am comparing the Giants win in the Superbowl to this Romney, McCain race. I just imagine all of those Giants fans were feeling a lot like the Romney supporters before the big game last night. But, they still turned out and supported their team and the Giants pulled off a big win. I’d settle for a squeaker win… : )
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 10:16 AM
I’m with Mitt!
madmonkphotog on February 4, 2008 at 10:16 AM
The most McShamnesty win is the nomination, before getting steamrolled in the general.
And, according to the SurveyUSA list McCain supporters keep linking, Zogby is the seventh most reliable out of the top 25 in the nation. Above Insider Advantage, Mason-Dixon, CBS News and more.
amerpundit on February 4, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Great headline, just take off the question mark. Why should it be surprising that an actual conservative is ahead?
echosyst on February 4, 2008 at 10:19 AM
I’m not a hunter, however I would have been highly insulted by Romney saying he was an avid hunter. The guy supposedly hasn’t fired a gun in fourty years. That’s is typical Mitt, trying to be something he’s not to the common folk.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 4, 2008 at 10:20 AM
This “winner take all” folly has got to go.
Why give my dissenting vote to someone who ekes out a narrow win?
Take all votes to the convention honestly, and, if it’s close, let’s see the battle harden the better person.
After McCain-Kennedy/McCan-Feingold/McCain-Lieberman he may get my vote on a technicality?
profitsbeard on February 4, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Yah Zogby is always right, just ask President Kerry.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 4, 2008 at 10:21 AM
What’s more important, power or principle?
HYTEAndy on February 4, 2008 at 10:22 AM
They are about as right as anyone else has been so far.
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Wow, there was a mass shooting in a strip mall outside of Chicago yesterday. While you all want to shred each other to bits over how much you hate a certain political candidate, life does go on.
Any readers from Chicagoland?
funky chicken on February 4, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Horror of horrors, that he might try and be conservative.
“I’m a hunter (Romney)” vs. “I’ll build the fence (McCain)”
Now, seriously, which is worse? Perspective, people!
HYTEAndy on February 4, 2008 at 10:24 AM
This “winner take all” folly has got to go.
Why give my dissenting vote to someone who ekes out a
Makes sense to me.
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 10:24 AM
I worry that this meltdown will do more to hurt conservatism than anything McCain could ever do. If conservatives stay home in November, they will be blamed for McCain’s loss and should be win, they will be marginalized.
This talk that McCain could never, ever win in the general is projection, to say the least - he does stand a shot, probably a better shot than Romney.
This coming from a guy who would like to see Romney take the nomination and once considered never voting for McCain.
amkun on February 4, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Let’s dispel this, while I was mistaken for years on this. John Zogby made the prediction that Kerry would win. However, the final Zogby poll did show Bush winning. Zogby’s personal prediction was wrong, but the poll firm’s poll was actually right.
Who got it wrong in ‘04? Why, Fox News and Gallup.
amerpundit on February 4, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Yeah, that was weird. But why are you out searching for new ways to be insulted? I like guns, belong to the NRA, support the 2nd Amendment fervently, and I wasn’t terribly insulted. It just seemed like more pandering nonsense from a guy who wanted to show his support to a group that he doesn’t necessarily belong to.
NBD.
Jaibones on February 4, 2008 at 10:26 AM
I was at the Romney rally last night in St. Louis, my buddy even got a pic of me with him, and he WON over the room. Once he starts talking, he is so smart and articulate and knows the issues. He wants to drill ANWR in an environmentally responsible manner and decrease our dependency on the Saudis, which stops funneling our money to terror.
Also, here’s a funny anecdote from last night: The guy is UNFLAPPABLE. This cute little blonde lady got so excited when he put his arm around her for a picture, she kissed him right on his cheek, and she looked so embarrassed like she couldn’t believe she what she just did, and he just kind of acted like your dad would act if you did something dumb, like it was no big deal, and smiled for the camera totally unphased. He is such a sweet, genuine guy…you just had to be there, it was a really touching moment.
JustTruth101 on February 4, 2008 at 10:28 AM
POWER! Just ask the Clintons.
OBX Pete on February 4, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Eli and Tyree …and Mitt?
Last minute miracles do happen.
No to McShamnesty.
profitsbeard on February 4, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Between John “Stockholm” McSyndrome and Mike “Jimmy” Hucarterbee the choice seems clear as a bell to me. Mitt Romney is not my favorite conservative in the world but in this race he’s the closest fricken thing we got.
Go Mitt Go!
p.s- I am not jumping on a I hate McCain bandwagon. I have hated McCain since I was old enough read the paper.
HotAirExpert on February 4, 2008 at 10:31 AM
amkun, yeah, a year ago, I was in the McCain hater camp myself. But if he wins the nomination, a little research and reflection reveals a decades-long pattern of beliefs and behaviors on McCain’s part that make his so much better than hill/obama. Government spending and growth? No comparison. Affection for and understanding of the military? Give me a f’in break. Social conservative issues (abortion, gay marriage)? Just because he says those aren’t his top issues personally, he has a long conservative voting record.
Obama and Hillary would support the return to legal partial-birth abortion, and a blowhard like Coulter is gonna campaign for them if McCain is the nominee? Idiocy on a grand scale.
funky chicken on February 4, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Mitt just doesn’t seem comfortable in his own skin. But I could never vote for Capt’n Amnesty. McCain needs to head out in the pasture with his pal Teddy. And, the Republicans need to do a better job of fielding higher quality candidates.
Mitt is the best one left in it, but he doesn’t come across sincere and trustworthy. The fact that he is a Mormon gets him a few moral points with me because all the Mormons I have ever known have been straight arrows.
saiga on February 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Mittmentum in California?
This thing is far from over.
SimplyKimberly on February 4, 2008 at 10:35 AM
While the WOT is extremely important for me, his position on taxes, judges, free speech, global warming, enhanced interrogation and immigration are too much for me to back him right now.
Just one guy’s opinion.
amerpundit on February 4, 2008 at 10:35 AM
And Coulter will lose all of her active duty military fans if she campaigns for Hillary against McCain.
How stupid…support the unborn and the troops…vote Hillary!
?
The best outcome for conservatism might be a McCain victory (if he picks a young, vibrant conservative for veep) because we could sideline Ann “faggot” Coulter for good.
funky chicken on February 4, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Yeah, let’s replace Coulter with someone horrible on almost every single major issue.
That helps conservatism. Oh, and I doubt he’ll pick a strong conservative for VP.
amerpundit on February 4, 2008 at 10:37 AM
ameripundit, but my point is that if it comes down to McCain vs a dem, they are worse on every issue you list.
That’s my only point. People holler that they care so deeply about the issues that they will enable the worst possible thing to happen to those issues in November?
funky chicken on February 4, 2008 at 10:37 AM
I have a dream….Romney/Santorum 08! : )
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 10:39 AM
Coulter ain’t running. I’d love to replace her in terms of attention she gets with someone actually intellectually conservative like Bill Bennett, or, well, I guess Jonah Goldberg gets air time.
I much prefer many pundits who are apparently much more conservative than Ms Coulter, since she is now on record as thinking Hillary would be superior to McCain.
So much for caring so much about the unborn, eh?
funky chicken on February 4, 2008 at 10:40 AM
I doubt that too. I can easily see a McCain/Graham ticket if McCain gets the nod. God help us all!
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Don’t you see why the MSM is pushing for McVain so hard. They know what I know. McCain is a easy mark, he will buckle under the first bit of pressure fom the NY Times. They will expose him as the fraud he is and Billary will walk away with the white house in tow.
Update- I just saw on foxnews from a lib radio guy that now the Dems are scared of McCain. Ohh we hope he doesn’t win cause he’s big bad monster. Umm reverse psycology much?
HotAirExpert on February 4, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Indeed McCain and some of his supporters see that as evidence the Left actually wants McCain the least, therefore we should nominate him.
Because, you know, top Democratic strategists always go on national television (and especially Fox News) to tell the Right how to beat their candidates.
amerpundit on February 4, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Remember when Marxists were hunted down by McCarthy? In fact, the Japanese implemented laws in the ’20s that gave the death penalty to communists.
Unfortunately, those are the good old days. Marxists are now in power and stand a good chance at winning the White House and retaking the Senate and House and, unlike our guys, will have no problems governing like they’re in power.
McCain’s a hypocrite and maybe a liar, and probably doesn’t understand the first thing about the economy, but he’s light years ahead of those on the Dem ticket.
amkun on February 4, 2008 at 10:44 AM
What part kcd? I live in northwest Ala myself and was very upset with my fellow Alabamians when Huckabee was leading :)
Lord Nazh on February 4, 2008 at 10:46 AM
An open Message to McCain Supporters
Dear Friends,
I don’t think you understand the level of outrage that your candidate is being forced down the collective and figurative throats of conservative Americans. John McCain is nothing but an echo of Clinton or Obama when Conservative Republicans are looking for an alternate voice to the big government liberalism of Clinton, Obama, and McCain. It also doesn’t help that McCain and his supporters are strutting around like Tom Brady the day before the Superbowl.
My prediction for the Mardi Gras Mayhem- Romney beats the polling because the grassroots conservatives are going to come out in force and stop Teddy Kennedy’s best ally in the Senate from being the GOP nominee. So here’s an exit question for all of you telling me to shut up and drink the McCain kool-aid…….
You all going to shut up and get behind Romney if he wins the nomination?
highhopes on February 4, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Come on… if there’s ever a time to bring up his war record, it’s times like this. If he’s going down, it’s fighting.
I mean, I assume he will fight the media and the Dems like he fights the right.
amkun on February 4, 2008 at 10:49 AM
NE AL. Near a beautiful lake, full of beautiful bass! Do you agree that Huck is not as popular in AL as he was a couple months ago?
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 10:50 AM
highhopes, I said above, I’ve yet to see a McCain supporter whinge and squeal that they wouldn’t/couldn’t vote for Romney if he became the nominee.
That seems to be territory staked out by the Romneyite/Coulterite/Dobsonite folks.
And I’m not trying to paint all Romney supporters with that broad brush…many if not most have said they vastly prefer Romney in the primary, but will show up to vote GOP in the fall.
funky chicken on February 4, 2008 at 10:50 AM
The first thing the MSM will come out with if McCain gets the nod:
The “hero”’s wife stole narcotics from charity packages supposed to be going overseas to servicemen in order to support her illegal drug addiction.
And it will be a surprise surprise surprise to the Republicans who thought he and his gal Cindy were so squeaky clean.
The media is holding their ammunition.
They want him to win… so they can shoot the fish in the barrel.
profitsbeard on February 4, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Apparently it wasn’t that much of an issue for McCain when he considered joining the Dems and reportedly approached Kerry for a run on the ticket.
It also hasn’t been an issue for him to join the “Marxists” on extremely important issues.
amerpundit on February 4, 2008 at 10:51 AM
So much emotion, so little rationality in the recently born again Romney supporters.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM
How rational is supporting McCain-Kennedy?
profitsbeard on February 4, 2008 at 10:54 AM
McCain is NO different that Hillary or Obama. I will not be a part of putting him in office if he gets the nod. This BS about him being strong on WOT is just that, BS! He has strongly supported the troops and the war in Iraq, but his open borders policy shows him to be weak on national security! Wake up oeple! These ARE 2 different issues.
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 10:55 AM
I’m in LA (lower Alabama) and live in a democrat stronghold. The talk radio shows are overrun by Paulians, but, as always, I know that just reflects their rabid support for the man rather than their numbers.
The only other Republicans I know support Romney, but one is Catholic and the other not a church person.
The non-religious guy did say that back about 20 years ago he had (briefly) dated a girl who went to a weekly church group that was dedicated to opposing Mormons, which we laughed about.
I honestly don’t know how prevalent those types are down here as I’m a military wife “carpetbagger.”
funky chicken on February 4, 2008 at 10:55 AM
amerpundit….Kerry approached McCain. McCain said no thank you, but I appreciate the offer.
McCain didn’t approach Kerry.
Don’t reinvent history, there is enough real stuff to disagree with McCain over.
funky chicken on February 4, 2008 at 10:57 AM
No. The FIRST thing that will come out is articles and questions about his age, along with lots of black and white photos that highlight his wrinkles and make him look a lot older and whiter than he is. Of course, the Obama photos will be in full color and make him look younger than he is.
The SECOND thing they will come out with are features on his outbursts and temperment, along with questions about his mental stability given his years as a POW.
I was being really too generous when I compared him to Bob Dole. Bob Dole was much more popular.
joncoltonis on February 4, 2008 at 10:59 AM
That was Bob Beckel, and he was right democrats do see McCain as their toughest opponent. This has been confirmed by multiple sources including Robert Novak, a conservative. Just like republicans see Obama as their toughest opponet and they don’t hide it.
McCain polls significantly better against the democrats over Romney. Romney has can attract a majority of republicans but has made no inroads in attracting a broader segment of the electorate. And in the general election when he changes his message to a more moderate position, which he will, it will be played by the democrats as another flip flop. It’s not a media creation or conspiracy its just the facts.
Complete7 on February 4, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Whats the difference? Obviously there was a LOT of good indications that McCain might bite. Otherwise, why would Kerry even considered approaching a “Republican”?
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Bull. National polls are a question of name recognition at this point - and unlike this board, most of the country hasn’t started paying attention yet. If Romney can win in Massachusetts he can win anywhere.
joncoltonis on February 4, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Thanks to you and your husband for your service. Keep your chin up girl! Be proud of what you and yours do for your country, even if you are in a place where the dim-wits are rampant!
kcd on February 4, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Oh, thank you for the correction. So, allow me to edit what I said.
“McCain considered changing parties and Kerry apparently considered him in line enough with his views to consider him as VP.”
Much better.
amerpundit on February 4, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Those same polls showed Jimmy Carter steamrolling Reagan in ‘80.
amerpundit on February 4, 2008 at 11:06 AM
McCain wants to be president to validate his ego for himself.
Huck is simply hamstringing Mitt because he is a religious gibot.
csdeven on February 4, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Keep up hope, Romniacs- it’ll be that much more fun mocking you when that hope is crushed.
Of course, the fact that a Romney loss means a John F’ing McCain win takes a lot of the joy out of it, but still- prepare yourself for disappointment.
Romney is going to lose because he deserves to lose. McCain is going to win though he also deserves to lose.
Hollowpoint on February 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM
My Romney supporting friend (sign in yard, driving folks to polling places, real Romney supporter) did confess that he’s kinda worried about the AL Mormon haters, and what they would do if it came down to Romney v Clinton.
Again, it would be the heretic/blasphemer against the Beast in Hillary clothing, so one really would think the choice would be clear. But the anti-Mormon thing could be as strong as the irrational anti-McCain thing we see on so many blogs.
If it’s your religion, it’s hard to argue somebody out of it with, you know, facts.
We were discussing the stupidity of fear and loathing of Mormons, but again, I’m a Yankee military wife and their family is not religious, so we are outsiders.
funky chicken on February 4, 2008 at 11:15 AM
I’m sorry but, Romney is no Reagan. And its a totally different situation. An incumbent unpopular president in the other party, 1980. Today, an unpopular president in the same party. McCain and Romney are both going to have a hard battle. But I think McCain is more electable.
The WSJ argues today that if you are concerned about the judiciary and continuing it in a conservative direction, McCain is the best choice.
Complete7 on February 4, 2008 at 11:17 AM
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