If John McCain names Mike Huckabee as his running mate he may very well lose Utah and other western states. For a Republican to lose Utah would be quite a feat in itself, but with Mike Huckabee’s obvious disdain for the LDS church and it’s people cou…

You can only buy into this “morally-superior in all things ’cause I’ve been a war hero” BS if you’re a big-government advocate. The rest of us are still thinking that all men are created equal.

The way I see it, “moderate” just means SURROUNDED.

Talon on February 5, 2008 at 6:37 AM

Oh my, I LIKE that! I will steal it for my own use, thanks!

Romney is very intelligent.
Romney is very successful.
Romney is very handsome….

D2Boston on February 4, 2008 at 11:45 AM

The first three items on the Mitt-wits list of accomplishments. This is what they are voting for

Montana on February 5, 2008 at 1:35 AM

Good points.

I vote the same way, as per my deeply held beliefs. John McCain does not mirror my beliefs and I will NOT vote for him.

The republican party has been on a steady swing to the left for a number of years now and McCain has done nothing to stop it and has actually helped it.

He has been called a “moderate”……meaning that he is conservative on some issues and liberal on others??

Tell me McCain supporters…..which of his liberal stances do you support him on?

And he can reach across the aisle all damn day if he wants. There is a reason we have more than one party in this country. It is because we have people with different visions of what this country is supposed to be about and the liberals are working day and night to change this country into their socialist Utopia. You do not “work with” those people, you STOP them. McCain won’t stop them.

So you vote for the guy, your “moderate” champion.

The way I see it, “moderate” just means SURROUNDED.

The way things are going, I may just have to do that.

Pax americana on February 5, 2008 at 1:28 AM

Your’s is a lost cause. No one tells me who I should support. Certainly not a political party, and yes, establishment Republican’s do actively push us towards candidates.

Witness the Bob Dole “Hush” letter to Rush Limbaugh. Much like those of on the internet blogs who say my opposition to McCain is misplaced, or worse, deranged.

I will NEVER vote for John “Shamnesty” McCain. Ever. If that means suffering through Dhimmitude for 4-8 years, so be it.

We will NOT help the Republican Party by selling our (or at least my) morals and believes for a short term win that would be a McCain 4 years–if by a miracle he wins against his fellow Liberal opposition.

Sorry Pax, your points are good–yes, but they do not change my mind on voting per my beliefs vs party loyalty.

Montana on February 5, 2008 at 12:47 AM

Muddled is what I would describe your claims here.

There is a Senate and House ya know.
The President isn’t a dictator, despite the fondest wishes of Hillary.

That is exactly what Hillary will become with Democratic hegemony in Congress. The POTUS is the easiest thing for us to win this year. There is a whopping great majority to overturn in the House, and twice as many Republican than Democratic marginals in both Houses to defend. By torpedoing McCain we will have no chance of averting complete Democratic hegemony.

In any case, if McCain is the nominee, he will lose. Again, as someone stated before, a race between two liberals will see the truest liberal win. That means Hillary or Obama over McCain.

Wrong. We will have a moderate conservative against extreme liberals, one of whom is the most liberal Senator in Congress. In such a race the centrist will win. McCain is the most likely to beat Hillary/Obama of all the GOP candidates: Huck and Romney have little appeal among independents.

it’s all about party loyalty right? And the party, being disloyal to it’s members may see fit to put McCain up for election.

Nonsense. How can the party be disloyal to its members when the nominee is elected by those same members? It is respecting the choice of those GOP voters that is important, even if our first choice candidate is not the winner. That is what loyalty to the GOP means.

You may not be a card carrying GOP member, but if the conservative principles mentioned in my last post mean anything at all to you, you would not be shouting for Hillary/Obama.

Bob Dole became the nominee in 1996 because it was “his turn.” Lord deliver us from these fossils! John McCain’s final “turn” was 2000 and he lost. Time to move on from that. In 2008 we need a real outsider unaligned with much of the GOP establishment. That’s Mitt.

Romney/Thompson 2008!!!!

highhopes on February 5, 2008 at 1:08 AM

I remember it well….and remember how the media savaged him as a buffoon. I recall one media jackal making fun of him holding a pen in his one hand before it was pointed out he did so because of his wounds in WWII.

That lasted all of about three minutes lest it offer too much contrast from Bubba.

I believe Dole was more honorable in his politics than McCain ever could be.

91Veteran on February 5, 2008 at 1:01 AM

Bob Dole became the nominee in 1996 because it was “his turn.” Lord deliver us from these fossils! John McCain’s final “turn” was 2000 and he lost. Time to move on from that. In 2008 we need a real outsider unaligned with much of the GOP establishment. That’s Mitt.

Romney/Thompson 2008!!!!

highhopes on February 5, 2008 at 1:08 AM

Good point!

Bob Dole became the nominee in 1996 because it was “his turn.” Lord deliver us from these fossils! John McCain’s final “turn” was 2000 and he lost. Time to move on from that. In 2008 we need a real outsider unaligned with much of the GOP establishment. That’s Mitt.

Romney/Thompson 2008!!!!

You silly Frenchman!

I thought you stated that people were “deranged” in their anti-McCain stance. I took issue with that. If I was wrong about your stance, my bad! If I am right about your stance, than well, I am right (as usual, har har).

But seriously. STOP going on an on about your service. I could give you my credentials but no one really cares. Your 24 years in the military do NOT entitle you to ANYTHING, expect a very nice retirement package!

Everyone can have an opinion. Stop suggesting that yours matters more. If we listed all those who served, we’d be here all day. And night. And tomorrow….ad infinitum.

Montana on February 5, 2008 at 1:05 AM

Opps an errant cut/copy killed my earlier post, correct above…the post was to “highhopes” (or as I call him, hautespoir)

But seriously. STOP going on an on about your service. I could give you my credentials but no one really cares. Your 24 years in the military do NOT entitle you to ANYTHING, expect a very nice retirement package!

Everyone can have an opinion. Stop suggesting that yours matters more. If we listed all those who served, we’d be here all day. And night. And tomorrow….ad infinitum.

Bob Dole is a wise man.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 5, 2008 at 12:14 AM

Bob Dole is indeed a wise man. He can recognise demagoguery when he sees it, particuarly when preached by people who should know better.

Pax americana on February 5, 2008 at 12:56 AM

So Dole is wise enough to suggest demagoguery when discussing someone’s record?

Would he recognize a bigot? or a nativist? as demagogues?

Montana on February 4, 2008 at 11:56 PM

I never actually attacked you

You absolutely did! I’m not an idiot so stop with the McCain tactics as if I am going to forget stuff that just happened!!! Goddamned Troll!!!!

Ignoring the fact that a “couple points” means TWO not five:

1. I no longer give anyone a free pass just because they served in the military. John Kerry, Jack Murtha…you get the picture. I used too. No longer. Cindy Sheehan doesn’t have moral authority, nor do you. Or I for that matter.
So why do you mock my 24 years of military service? I’m honestly not looking for any appreciation of my career. I just resent it when my patriotism is questioned. Truth be told, I downplay my career because the real appreciation needs to go to those who are currently serving in the combat zones- not those of us currently stateside.

2. I respect service to country, yes.

Yeah right. Facts not on your side here with your comments. I’ve never been part of the French army. So that “respect” must be mighty well hidden behind your arrogant trash talking.

3. What I am trying to tell you is that you need to stop-drop-and-roll before you flame those of us who resist the urge to jump on McCain’s so-called Straight Talk Express. We are against his candidacy because we applied, truth, logic and reason.

I have never supported McCain.

4. Relax. Breath. Then think reasonably about why some people don’t support McCain. You’ll find it isn’t a derangement. You’ll find it’s based on his votes on key issues facing our nation.

I have never supported McCain

5. I think your service in the French military was great. Heh, I jest! But seriously, get off your backpatting tour of “I served my country, what were you doing”. Very very lame.

Hey, I have served my nation (as John McCain has). On this fforum, my patriotism has been questioned for the simple fact that I think Mitt Romney is a better choice for America. There was no backpatting implied because that stuff should go to the troops in the field. Please point out where I suggested otherwise!!! Nevertheless, I would suggest that 24 years of serving the nation on active duty and going where I was told gives me SOME latitude in discussing these issues without being branded a whiner.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 5, 2008 at 12:14 AM

Bob Dole is indeed a wise man. He can recognise demagoguery when he sees it, particuarly when preached by people who should know better.

Pax americana on February 5, 2008 at 12:40 AM

Not sure how to make it any more clear than I already have Pax…

I do not vote Party line. I vote per my beliefs.

There is a Senate and House ya know.

The President isn’t a dictator, despite the fondest wishes of Hillary.

As others have stated (and their words fell on the deaf ears of party loyalists as have mine):

If McCain is the President, Republican reps and senators won’t know to fight his liberal agenda. If Hillary or Obama become President, at least Republicans will know they should fight.

In any case, if McCain is the nominee, he will lose. Again, as someone stated before, a race between two liberals will see the truest liberal win. That means Hillary or Obama over McCain.

I’d rather Romney be the nominee but, eh, it’s all about party loyalty right? And the party, being disloyal to it’s members may see fit to put McCain up for election.

See how muddled it becomes?

And again, for clarity, I. Do. Not. Vote. Party. Line.

Go McCain!

I support Senator McCain, but I will vote for whichever candidate the Republican party chooses. I have not yet heard a McCain supporter say that if Romney wins the primary that we would vote for Hillary or stay home.

Yet, many of the newly minted, born again Romney supporters that seem to have jumped on his bandwagon in the last week are threatening to vote Dem or stay home if John McCain gets the nod.

You see, this is because they are “true conservatives”.

It all makes sense, once you smoke from the Romney pipe.

JayHaw Phrenzie on February 4, 2008 at 11:37 PM

You’re right: no McCain supporter I know would abandon the GOP or campaign with Clinton against Romney if he were elected. Perhaps because they have more loyalty, good sense, commitment to conservative principles and belief in the GOP than the demagogues and pseudo-Republicans who have worked themselves into a frenzy bashing McCain.

I’d rather see Obama win.

And if Hillary wins, I can at least indulge in tasteless humor by calling her the Cankle in Chief.

Montana on February 5, 2008 at 12:10 AM

OK, so you have no problem with making abortion easier, surrender in Iraq, cutting back the military, tax hikes, open borders, homosexual marriage, holding Islamic appeasement conferences, protectionism, socialized healthcare, more pork barrel spending, liberal appointees to the SC…

McCain is committed to opposing all of these. Sorry, but I’m not going to surrender to the Democratic party just because the nominee doesn’t tick every one of my boxes.

You idiots have never been asked to support somebody else … I’d support as a conservative midwestern Republican.

highhopes on February 5, 2008 at 12:22 AM

Here is the guy who faints when he thinks someone attacks him.

You stay classy highhopes!

Pretty good. But I’m sick of pointing out the obvious to the McCain haters, who’ve never read anything beynd the poisonous shrilling of the egotists who would rather campaign for Obama/Clinton than support the Republican nominee. If you want to split the GOP by posting a load of BS, don’t be surprised if some of us try to stop you.

Pax americana on February 4, 2008 at 11:55 PM

What is obvious? That McCain is liberal?

My point is that McCain will reach across to those who support this crap any time he feels, and has done so.

Running to the microphones to gain some attention offering weak denunciations doesn’t erase his other actions with the left.

As for MoveOn.nitwits, it didn’t take him long to start sucking up clarifying.

Today, the McCain campaign clarified the senator’s comments for CBS News. “Senator McCain, like most Americans, is appalled by the MoveOn.org ad. Last night he expressed his outrage in words that did not convey his intended meaning. What he meant to say was that MoveOn’s smear of General Petraeus’ character should have no place in the American political debate.”

As for Durbin, McCain didn’t think he needed to be punished to badly for his reprehensible statement:

“I think that Senator Durbin owes the Senate an apology — I don’t know if censure would be in order — but an apology, because it does a great disservice to men and women who suffered in the gulag and in Pol Pot’s ‘killing fields,’ ” Mr. McCain said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

As for Dingy, so Time printed a speech McCain made at VMI. Big deal. He was already running for President and new which way the wind was blowing, but never called Reid out specifically.

Collegiality, you know.

Murtha? So the tough guy tells Murtha to get a life? Certainly he could have come up with something a good deal stronger in support of soldiers who were just called murderers before the investigation was done. How many of them have since been acquitted? If McCain is the White Knight looking to clean up Washington, he could start with a few of his “friends”.

Yet Johnny still managed to reach across the isle, in as sneaky a way as possible, to make a deal with Kennedy. All the while ignoring those whose vote he was seeking even then.

I have not yet heard a McCain supporter say that if Romney wins the primary that we would vote for Hillary or stay home.

Yet, many of the newly minted, born again Romney supporters that seem to have jumped on his bandwagon in the last week are threatening to vote Dem or stay home if John McCain gets the nod.

JayHaw Phrenzie on February 4, 2008 at 11:37 PM

JayHaw,

How dare you think I’m so stupid to agree with this line of thought! McCain supporters haven’t been in a position of voting for somebody else or sitting out because the MSM has already annointed Juan McCain as the nominee. You idiots have never been asked to support somebody else and I seriously doubt you would apply the same comment “shut up and support McCain” if Romney was the nominee. I’m guessing your second choice is Clinton. Certainly nobody I’d support as a conservative midwestern Republican.

Semi-psychotic kook, just so you know.

RushBaby on February 5, 2008 at 12:09 AM

You’re the one shaking hands with a post! Meet ya in the round rubber room buddy!