Tired of “everybody hates Mitt” stories? How about an “everybody hates McCain” story?
posted at 11:22 am on February 4, 2008 by Bryan
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From today’s Washington Post. Unlike anti-Mitt stories, this one isn’t based on class warfare. Its central theme is that John McCain is a hothead who yells at and kneecaps fellow Republicans. His chief of staff’s defense?
[Mark] Salter scoffed at the idea that McCain is not fit to be president and said most stories about his temper are “wildly exaggerated.” He pointed to McCain’s success at “across-the-aisle cooperation” with Democrats as an example of how he would deal with Congress if elected president.
Yeah, like McCain-Feingold and McCain-Kennedy, a pair of legislative abominations. If that’s how a President McCain would “deal with Congress,” no thanks. But the McCain camp’s instinctive defense here is interesting. Instead of always touting McCain’s recording of working with liberals, which we all know he can do, how about Salter or someone else in McCain’s camp giving us some evidence that McCain can work with conservatives?
There isn’t much of that, at least in the last few years. But there’s this.
McCain’s relationship with House Republicans has been strained for years. After stumping for more than 50 GOP candidates during the 2000 campaign, McCain dramatically scaled back his efforts in 2002 out of pique toward House Republicans who opposed his effort to overhaul campaign finance law.
Great. McCain sacrificed the GOP congress over his wretched CFR crusade. Speaker Pelosi thanks you, Maverick.
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I can tell you that based on all of the McCain fanboys who are posting on here today (JayHaw Phrenzie, Vizzini, Pax americana, et al.), it’s going to be much easier to vote with a write in if McCain is the nominee in the general.
So, thanks guys!
Nineball on February 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM
No we don’t need to unite the country. Half the country has been radicalized to accept that the war in Iraq is a false Republican war, that Global Warming is a clear and present danger, that anyone opposes the illegal immigrants is a racist, and that poor people need a lot of help from the government and “the rich” don’t pay enough taxes. To unify the country by accepting everything but surrender in Iraq will destroy the Conservative movement forever.
If Socialism is to be imposed, let Hillary do it and take the credit or blame. Let the Republican minority in Congress fight her on Amnesty. I don’t want Juan “Evil Liar of the Straight Talk Maverick Variety” McShamnesty unify the nuts and the Republicans by saying “it’s OK” about everything that’s important to Conservatives while selling them out.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 4:19 PM
with mitt taking over the most liberal state, or close to it, would that put him in a position of having to work with the enemy? i mean you have no choice if thats all that is there right ?
mcain doesnt cross the aisle because hes a nice guy and a unifier, he goes where he belongs.
palefaced on February 4, 2008 at 4:25 PM
While watching Mav on “Fox and Friends” I marveled as to how good of a liar he is, so much better than Hillary. How if you tell him that he lied about the reasons for opposing Bush’s tax cuts he will NOT try to refute the premise of the question. He will simply state again and again “Listen, I have a Conservative record, we don’t need to rehash this”. He does it over and over when confronted with questions he can’t answer honestly. Why lie when you can simply say “conservative”. This evil creature makes me shake when I look at his Steve Martin-like grin that says “I know I’ve done something idiotic, but you all know I’m an idiot, so you will accept it and forgive me.”.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 4:25 PM
Strange. Doesn’t sound much like Reaganism to me. Perhaps you’re not interested in the GOP winning elections either?
Pax americana on February 4, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Obviously Satan incarnate. Same effect I feel when listening to Coulter and Bruce shrilling for Hillary Clinton.
Pax americana on February 4, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Mitt is a conservative guy that had lived a conservative life and then decided that the only way for him to become a President was to go through the Governorship of Massachusetts and do and say what he had to along the way. McCain is a liberal guy who has hawkish views on fighting the Islamics. Mitt changes positions, McCain lies or denies the truth. But everyone knows where their heart is.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 4:30 PM
I agree, and even better still, with Romney as our candidate, we don’t have to worry about the pro-choice nutbags getting in our face. Immigration is a much hotter issue. Mitt needs to come out with a plan for mass deportation asap.
myamphibian on February 4, 2008 at 4:32 PM
You unify by sticking to principle and having the country accept or reject it. The only reason why we are in the situation we are in is that there was no true, unambiguous conservative running from the very beginning embracing all aspects of conservatism and not creating doubts about their sincerity. It’s not because the country wants to be unified in the middle.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 4:32 PM
I don’t believe in mass deportations. I’ve always said that tough and gradually increasing employer sanctions coupled with a simple-to-use SSN verification system will take care of the problem by having the illegals self-deport. The presence of illegals is a testament to the lack of political will to deal with the problem and not the difficulty of solving in in practical terms.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Rumor has it that Mitt used to be a democrat and voted for Tsongas for president. Not that it matters now, what matters is Mitt will not reach out and try to bridge the political divide that exists in this country. After we destroy liberalism, then we can worry about coming together and solving problems.
myamphibian on February 4, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Well I can’t see Mitt prosecuting American business people for filling their labor needs. He will round up every single illegal immigrant and eject them i’m sure. Anything less is amnesty, don’t go soft on me now Igor.
myamphibian on February 4, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Well I’m sure he won’t do it because THAT is a practical problem. I actually don’t care what Mitt does as long as he doesn’t grant them instant visas.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 4:43 PM
well, all ive read, heard and seen ive come to the conclusion that ill give mitt the chance to sign some bad legislation because im certain mclaim would.
on another note, i like how mcain slammed romney for being a successful business man. genius. i tell you these washington monkeys are afraid of a business man of romneys calibre in the whitehouse.
palefaced on February 4, 2008 at 4:43 PM
I know you’re teasing me, but I blogged on the mostly liberal “TheHill” for a long time. It’s VERY trough to really bridge the divide with our liberal friends. Even the smart ones don’t respond very well to logical arguments, so I’m not sure what bridging the divide would look like other than accepting their positions.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Well McCain wasn’t so afraid of a successful (at the time) Businessman Keating, or his own father in law. If you believe that anything other than the stuff on the Iraq war (and not even of the authorship of the surge) coming out of McCain is genuine, I hate to disappoint you. Well maybe he does really believe in Global Warming.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Sure are alot of Hacks in here sent over from Huffpo and Dailykos. all cheering for Juan McLefty.
Buttercup on February 4, 2008 at 4:48 PM
I was listening to some radical environmental show the other day, and they were arguing who is better, Hillary or Obama. And then one from a “treehugger” something organization chimed in saying that McCain has by far the best record.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Complete7, I agree that Bush has not been the ideal president with regards to the legislation that he has promoted on our behalf as though listening to our vote as his mandate from the people.
HOWEVER, you need to re-evaluate your rationale regarding Bush and DeLay. Tom DeLay was called “The Hammer” because he was able to push Bush’s legislation through Congress. Note well, DeLay was not pushing a different agenda than Bush, but strictly supporting Bush’s agenda. FURTHERMORE, DeLay was not guilty of any money laudering, and his indictment by Travis County DEMOCRAT CROOK Ronnie Earle, DA, has no legal grounds. DeLay has yet to see his day in court, as Ronnie Earle refuses to set a date and is retiring without having prosecuted, having no grounds to pursue in court. THANKS TO MCCAIN, Tom DeLay and every other conservative Republican newly elected to go clean house in Washington DC had their nuts cut off by dirty trick strong arm tactics strategized by McCain & Co. Bush is not a loyal conservative. Bush, losing DeLay, joined forces with McCain, proving again that “compassionate” politics are liberal politics, certainly NOT conservative.
Beyond all of this muck set in motion by McCain, the very crook from Keating Five given amnesty so long as he votes liberal, focus again on good ol’ GWBush.
Bush not let DeLay take an invalid fall, though DeLay broke no laws, having NOT laundered money illegally. Every money transfer from one fund to another was legitimate and practiced by everyone because it was not illegal money laundering. That conservatives were collecting a fortune to battle liberals was the crux of the matter motivating liberals to nip the newcomer conservatives in the bud before legislation get the right make-over.
Bush did not stand by Scooter Libby who certainly did not “out” Mrs. Wilson who was no longer in any way still a covert secret agent of the CIA. Bush’s daddy led the CIA before assuming the presidency. GWBush and his Presidency certainly knew all of the ins & outs of CIA protocol. Furthermore, there was no logical rationale for keeping Clinton’s people where sabotage was certain to occur. GWBush is not stupid; he is also not a conservative.
Bush did not stand by his military personel when they came under false fire from the MSM. In fact, Bush persecutes our military and our border patrol agents with unwarranted prosecutions and extremely harsh sentences. Bush provides prosecutors with the full strength, power and resources of our entire government and denies those accused of their Constitutional rights and military support, coercing false testimony from comrades with the threat that unless they give false testimony, they too will be prosecuted without hope of justice from our government. As Commander in Chief, Bush is deceitful and cruel to our service men and women.
Bush allied with Rumsfeld’s rush to Bagdad that everyone argued PRIOR TO THE ATTACK would create chaos. Bush insisted on the propaganda that the Iraqis would ALL be cooperative. Bush destroyed the Iraqi government without replacing it in order to create the situation requiring America’s perpetual presence in Iraq. Bush is not stupid, though he is callously cruel to our military who suffered unnecessarily because Bush refused to provide advancing troops BACK-UP FORTIFICATION to keep the conquered territory from falling into the hands of murdering thugs and jihadists. So far as the Christian Iraqi population goes, they are annihilated by GWBush. Bush is no conservative, nor is he compassionate. If Bush represents an Evangelical Christian, more is the pity for earth’s inhabitants.
So with all of these personal dealings DESTROYING every loyal conservative fellow throughout his presidency, the MSM claim that GWBush is “loyal to a fault”.
The only loyalty GWBush ever displayed to our horror was to imbeciles like Harriet Meyers and Alberto Gonzales. Bush screwed DeLay and every conservative whom we elected to ennact our conservative agenda. Bush screwed every conservative voter with his original sin of deceit: getting elected via pulling the wool over Evangelical eyes in order to destroy America’s Constitutional sovereign power and identity, bloating our government, our “dependency” upon Big Brother, and extorting huge taxes with a coupon to placate the masses. Bush is not stupid. He played us.
I will not vote for McCain, nor for either Democrat.
maverick muse on February 4, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 4:47 PM
yea i dont believe mclaims crap. he showed us he has a problem with basic reading comprehension when it came to mitts timetable statements. and were going to put him in charge ?
and hell give the enemy our rights as he closes club-gitmo and brings them onto our soil. another genius move.
werent mclaims ideas for the surge actually a number 3-4 times the amount that petreus has used with success ?
where was this military hawk when the clintons were gutting our military and we were suffering islamofascists attacks at home and abroad ? *echo*
palefaced on February 4, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Yep – everyone who isn’t so far to the right or so far around the bend that McCain and Obama are virtually identical must perforce be a Huffington Post or Daily Kos “hack.” Too bad HotAir can’t be the sole property of anti-McCain obsessives reciting their all-important individual voting plans – so fascinating! And every time someone calls John “Juan” it just leaves me in stitches. It’s just hilarious (and not even remotely bigoted – nope, not at all – can’t imagine that it might look that way to anyone)!
CK MacLeod on February 4, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Of course his basic reading comprehension is fine, he is just a very good liar. You’ve got to be to be better than Hillary. Hillary got in trouble because she couldn’t lie her way out of the driver licenses for illegals question from Tiny Tim. McCain has never gotten in trouble for being a bad liar. If you were to find evidence tomorrow that he is not actually John McCain but an impersonator sent home by the Vietnamese as a Manchurian candidate, he would not deny it, he would just point to his “conservative record”.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Romney To Huckabee: “No Whining”
Maybe the Huckabee supporters will vote for McCain just to make Willard Cry!
Romney To Huckabee: “No Whining”
Chakra Hammer on February 4, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Obama is to the left of both Hillary and McCain. Other than abortion and the surge, there is no difference between Hillary and McCain.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 5:06 PM
As a recent McShamnesty convert I can assure you that type of talk is not going to win any hearts or minds to our cause. Rush said today that he does want to exand the party, just not at the expense of conservative values. I’ve always agreed with that, but being the eternal optimist and overall nice person, I just had to get over my desire to give Juan the benefit of the doubt. I still get a little queasy at the vile personal attacks of my fellow conservatives that have yet to see the light as I have.
I’m afraid that some on our side would prefer that conservatism be considered fringe as opposed to mainstream. Sort of like Metallica fans. Once they got popular, their original fans thought they were sell outs.
myamphibian on February 4, 2008 at 5:07 PM
There is nothing like having your country go to hell in a handbasket just to seem someone you don’t like cry.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Quit Lying.
McCain is Pro-life.
has a life-time ACU rating of 83%
Igor just STFU already.
Chakra Hammer on February 4, 2008 at 5:08 PM
If Fred looked 10 years younger and had a slightly better strategy, all the “fringe” talk would go out the window. It’s the personalities we have to chose from that are making the game difficult, not the philosophy.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Come on amiga I said “other than abortion”. Are you using the McCain strategy of implying that I said the opposite of what I actually said?
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 5:13 PM
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 4, 2008 at 12:32 PM
You are correct in pointing out where Romney’s presentation lacks the luster of total honesty. And as his forte is creating propaganda, one is left with a lack of enthusiasm for his judgement as well as his depth of capacity.
The public realizes that Romney is not without flaw.
Gov. and Mrs. Romney have never been investigated by the federal government for crimes, however, and Sen. and Mrs. McCain have.
So platform to platform, how can Romney’s liberal version of Big Brother be as bad as McCain’s?
maverick muse on February 4, 2008 at 5:13 PM
There is no logical argument that McCain can beat a Democrat. McCain is a democrat who will be defeated by the official Democrat candidate.
For the GOP to put McCain’s name on the national ballot as the Republican Presidential Candidate would be the ultimate political betrayal.
That would absolutely motivate a ballot WRITE-IN.
It would also motivate the demise of the GOP.
Those in the GOP pressuring for McCain have already changed coat-of-arms with the liberal Democrat uniparty. The more, the merrier, a win at all costs.
maverick muse on February 4, 2008 at 5:22 PM
People are looking at this with the wrong attitude, look at it as a way of being about to reach new people, more people with your voice and your values, some of those people will become “New Conservatives”, thats how a party can grow.
You let everyone into the auditorium, speak of conservative principals those ideas ARE better than than the liberal ones, they are just not being effectively communicated to certain portions of the population that could actually benefit MOST from conservative philosophy and principals, nobody is wanting to make you change your values, or make you change your beliefs, however we do need to reach out to those of the next generation to ensure, that our ideas do not die.
Becoming an increasing shrinking party, should give us all
great pause, circling the wagons to regroup would be a wise move.
Chakra Hammer on February 4, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Well I’m not sure that if McCain doesn’t croak or go completely senile before the election he can’t win. There are enough people who wouldn’t vote for Hillary to make it a tossup. The point is that there is no reason to WANT him to win against Hillary, although Obama is worse than either of them.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Hey if you let the entire country of Mexico in and wait 100 years you’ll probably have 300 million new Conservatives. Is that a strategy or what?
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 5:29 PM
I’m not pandering and trying to win over any hearts and minds here. Not everything Rush says is the ultimate word for all of us to live by either. I can still think for myself and I’m more concerned about the demise of Conservatism as a whole. I won’t enable and I won’t settle for some a liberal with an R next to their name. If more so called Republicans would refuse to support JUAN McNutty period, we wouldn’t have the potential for two liberals running in the General.
Buttercup on February 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM
This is exactly the type of negative demagoguing that we DO NOT need.
Talk of Securing the borders(along with new VISA and verification system) that is a goal that everyone wants, and can be achieved.
Chakra Hammer on February 4, 2008 at 5:35 PM
WE have already talked on the topic of what WE are and what WE need. And I don’t give a flying McCain about securing the border if the ones already here don’t go home. I also don’t believe that having Juan Hernandez on your stuff (and if you still don’t know Juan Hernandez’s life work has been to show, prove, and make sure there is no concept of the border between the US and Mexico) and having gone to la Raza and lectured them on how THEY need to support OUR goals are indicative of someone who will want to seal the border.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 5:41 PM
McCain is just another word for nothing left to lose.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 5:50 PM
It is a sad day when people prefer performances over principles, and charisma over conservatism.
No matter how much you pretty up a crow and make it look like a swan, and the end of the day, it is still a crow
ConservativePartyNow on February 4, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Igor R. who knows maybe after McCain wins the nomination he will either, shed Hernandez or lower his role, to show good will sort of like a “Harriet Miers”, but to ignore or not to outreach to the Hispanic community would be a sure loser in the General, they are a significant part of our population and Conservative principals would resonate with this very Religious, hard working voting block.
Chakra Hammer on February 4, 2008 at 5:56 PM
People ALWAYS prefer performances over principles. There was a lot of anti-war voters voting for McCain in New Hampshire. They just had this feeling that he is one of them and he is more trustworthy than Hillobama. Boy he had THEM fooled.
It’s interesting to study how Hitler rose in Germany. The power of his personality was such that he literally hypnotized people in not caring about any principles, he unified them while many of them had diametrically opposing philosophies.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 6:00 PM
If I were McCain (now THAT’S a difficult mind game) after the nomination I would take Hernandez on a tour of Hispanic communities, organize seminars about how the US and Mexico are indistinguishable, and I would beat EITHER Hillary or Obama that way. In fact, the only way to beat Hillary for someone like McCain is to be to the left of her while reaching out to the Hispanic community where she is clearly strong vs. Obama.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 6:04 PM
If only The Fred had gotten that makeover…oh what could have been. I’ve heard people say they’ll vote for Huckleberry because he plays guitar or eats chicken skin but don’t point out voting records, that is just a mean-sprited attack. There are people who let Oprah tell them what books they should read and these same people get to vote for the POTUS. Scary indeed.
Buttercup on February 4, 2008 at 6:06 PM
The principled choice for real conservatives? I’m willing to do it, but why give Romney a pass on his past indiscretions, and not extend the same courtesy to McCain? I have no axe to grind with either gentleman and I don’t take any of it personally. If McCain gets the nod (god forbid) how can I justify voting for the Hildabeast over McCain?
myamphibian on February 4, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Well Fred had way too many things wrong with his candidacy. You know how all of us that liked him believed that “the fire in the belly” thing was just an invention of the MSM? Well it wasn’t. That he entered the race “not too late”? It WAS too late. It’s still painful that he just threw away the Presidency while having all the right policy positions, but personalities drive history.
Many people just aren’t close to the facts. I was talking to a very conservative lady yesterday (obviously not on a political blog but in real life) who wasn’t aware of any substantive differences between Romney and McCain because she just isn’t very political. When she saw my face after she said “McCain is OK, isn’t he?” she was very quick to ask for details.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 6:12 PM
waaaahhh.
Buttercup on February 4, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Romney gets a pass because he is a rich businessman with a pefect family and just isn’t likely to be a radical left-wing wacko. He also got endorsements from Tancredo, DeMint, and Sheriff Arpaio who are the toughest Amnesty fighters in the country. Why not trust THEIR instincts instead of Juan Hernandez’s instincts?
Hildebeast will destroy the economy and get blamed for it, so there is a chance for a conservative Republican in 2012. She will be opposed by the Republican minority in congress over some of the left-wing stuff, much more so than a nominally Republican POTUS. You can see what has happened in California after Arnold turned Kennedy. Every budget-busting thing is getting passed, other than when the Dems are to the right of Arnold.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 6:18 PM
Between 1959 and the late 1980s, Charles Keating was the business partner of Carl Lindner, the Cincinnati, Ohio-based financier who would be one of the central figures in the $200 billion S&L rip-off. In 1959, Lindner and Keating co-founded American Financial Corporation (AFC). Keating served as the mortgage and insurance company’s general counsel, and later as vice president.
Carl Lindner is the guy who is running all the push polls for Huckabee.
Do you now understand what this is all about?
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 6:28 PM
No I sure don’t but it smacks of corruption and cronyism.
RushBaby on February 4, 2008 at 6:31 PM
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 6:28 PM
You be on a roll my friend! Keep going as long as you can.
jerrytbg on February 4, 2008 at 6:34 PM
This should help a little:
The Keating One,’ and Carl Lindner From 1981—the year before John McCain ran for U.S. Congress—until the early 1990s, the former Navy pilot was totally beholden to junk bond swindler Charles Keating for his political fortunes. When the S&L scandal exploded and Federal prosecutors were breathing down Keating’s neck, it was McCain who tried to bully Federal regulators into backing off. While the affair became known as the “Keating Five” scandal, none of the other members of the Senate and House implicated in the ethics violations, were as closely tied to Keating as John McCain.
Between 1974 and 1976, Lindner and Keating engineered a series of stock purchases and mergers with some of the leading figures in the Lansky crime syndicate—who had followed the Bronfman family recipe, and gone from “rags, to rackets, to riches, to respectability.”
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 6:34 PM
The problem is that the idiots about to vote for McNut don’t read this blog. At least with Hannity’s conversion they are not just hearing “I love McCain” stuff on Fox.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Huh! And now this Lindner shows up doing push polls for Huckabee, who is staying in the race to freeze out Mitt Romney and claim his place as McCain’s VP running mate.
Whattaya know. The stink has just become a miasma.
RushBaby on February 4, 2008 at 6:40 PM
You got it! Straight talk, Jesus, and bass guitars: your attention had been misdirected. That’s what good magic is all about.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 6:46 PM
At least there will be lots of happy noise to drown out that giant flushing sound!
RushBaby on February 4, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Well as Hil, McCain, and Bill have promised repeatedly in the last week or so it will be the most civilized election in history. Now isn’t THAT special!
While America will be sold to China, Soros, and common criminals we will talk about how change is good.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 6:52 PM
Oh yes, I can picture the laughing and backslapping now. I have no doubt that they are relishing the theater of “opposing” each other. All the while knowing that regardless of who ends up sitting in the Oval Office, together they’ve won the prize they all covet.
RushBaby on February 4, 2008 at 6:58 PM
RushBaby on February 4, 2008 at 6:48 PM
also, on a roll. Loved your choice of words. One of my problems is I can’t dance across the keyboard like any of you, and I’m sure it shows. (lag time). If I tried in near real time, you couldn’t read it. However I do read fairly well…sometimes. And considering I’ve already hit the scotch, I’ll just read.
jerrytbg on February 4, 2008 at 7:00 PM
We need every word you can muster. Courage and hope, my friend!
RushBaby on February 4, 2008 at 7:13 PM
I hope your boat is safely in the harbor!
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Wow, this is cool: dramatic closing of the gap from the new ABC poll in Arizona:
McCain remains in the lead with 39 percent of the vote, while Romney is just three points behind at 36. Meanwhile, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul are in the single digits. Wouldn’t it be great to knock McMofo out in his home state?
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 7:41 PM
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 7:31 PM
AYE mate. Won’t be long before I’m full tiem crusier. By June I think.
jerrytbg on February 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM
What I am tired of is pundits and newsies telling that I am deranged for not liking McCain–telling me that for the good of the party I must vote for McCain.
No. I do not have to vote for McCain. I can vote my beliefs. I do not have to support a smarmy liar and a man who has skated by on his POW pass for far too long.
I want to respect and support McCain, but my conscience won’t allow me.
Murtha was a marine once. Doesn’t mean I have to respect and vote for him now does it?
John McCain, your get-out-jail-free card is offically revoked.
Montana on February 4, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Wrong. That’s what everybody says they want but that clearly isn’t the case. McCain’s amnesty bill didn’t address border security claiming that it was too difficult to combine that issue with Juan’s citizenship giveaway. Furthermore, the document piece of the amnesty plan was full of loopholes so that the illegals could stay without any sort of background check or verification before they became citizens.
You people that are continually spewing these lies for McCain are really beginning to piss me off. I’m all for debate on these issues but your propoganda is simply disgusting and proof that the whole lot of you just need to shut up and vote for Obama or Clinton instead of giving us a race composed entirely of far left Democrats.
Look for a McCain drubbing tomorrow. The momentum is clearly swining Romney’s way as people like you continually seek to shove McCain into the GOP nomination.
highhopes on February 4, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Not a bad time to have an option to avoid dry land governed by McCain, Hillary, or Obama.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Well I know Chackra’s real motive: it’s to stick it to the Republican party for not supporting Rudy. This is a special case of trying to destroy your country to prove a point.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 7:52 PM
Cool indeed! I clearly sense the momentum is shifting as voters begin to realize what a trainwreck McCain would be a President or even as the GOP presidential candidate. I hope that translates in tomorrow’s results- at least to momentarily silence some of the vile trolls on this forum that are posting how Un-American and hate-filled we are by rejecting a candidate indistinguishible from Clinton, Obama, or Kucinich (come to that).
highhopes on February 4, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Ah! The “you’d better vote for Rudy” hysterics transferred to calling anybody who doesn’t support McCain as selfish un-American malcontents. The level of vitriol from the McCain crowd here is really out of control!
highhopes on February 4, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Mitt is surging in the West. Plus he just won in Main by a huge margin, and nobody noticed. The key is Georgia, that’s a lot of votes and it’s SO close! He really should’ve stopped there instead of Tennessee from what I know, but he gets good internal polling data. The Florida travesty plus all the RINO endorsements are working against McNasty. Hannity’s conversion can’t hurt either, he has a huge overall TV/radio audience.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM
I know I said I’ll just read but.., the first two…there goes my money.,,,bho there goes my liberty.
jerrytbg on February 4, 2008 at 7:58 PM
The key to this propaganda victory is to convince enough voters that McCain is a conservative by having him and his surrogates repeat this lie enough times. Same for calling his lies “stratight talk” and Amnesty “not Amnesty”. Pure Goebbels in action!
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 8:01 PM
They are all after your liberty. People often think that Soros is a figure of speech, but they are unfamiliar with what he has done to multiple regimes in Eastern Europe. Soros has developed an effective approach of subverting democracies. It’s jiu-jitsu like in that it uses your opponents strengths and turns them into weaknesses.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 8:05 PM
LA Times:
PHOENIX — – Sen. John McCain’s run for the presidency is gaining momentum across the nation, but the campaign is meeting disapproval in one of the most unlikely places: his home turf in Arizona.
In a straw poll vote two weeks ago of 721 Republican leaders in Maricopa County, the major population center of the state, a majority ranked McCain as the least acceptable Republican candidate for president.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Apparently. 24 years serving on active duty in the military and I’ve never had my patriotism questioned before today on this forum by McCain supporters.
highhopes on February 4, 2008 at 8:17 PM
more from LA Times:
The conservatives say it is not necessary to round up illegal immigrants — they argue that many will leave voluntarily if they face greater difficulties and legal obstacles. It is an approach that appears directly opposite of McCain’s sensibilities and views.
A law written by Pearce would levy big fines on employers who hire illegal immigrants and will close companies that repeatedly violate the law. The bill was passed with overwhelming support in the Legislature, including a big chunk of the Democrats, and signed by Democratic Gov. Janet Napolitano.
“We don’t need to round up illegal immigrants,” Pearce said. “Just enforce the laws. At traffic stops, if the driver doesn’t have a driver’s license, any identification and doesn’t speak English, it is common sense that something is wrong.”
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 8:17 PM
To be politically knowledgeable and to support McCain, one can’t be a person of principles, there is just too much wrong with the picture. Therefore, I wouldn’t worry about your patriotism questioned by a bunch of unprincipled people.
But thank your from the bottom of my heart for your service.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 8:20 PM
The law is under attack by both the business community and civil liberties groups, and legal challenges are preventing it from going until effect until March 1. Still, it may already be having its desired effect. Demand for social services is down, and school enrollments in Latino neighborhoods are unexpectedly dropping. Officials in other states and Mexico have complained that immigrants are streaming out of Arizona, creating demands for services elsewhere.
And I ask: who needs deportation? Defeat the damn McShamnesty and let the country breeze free again!
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 8:23 PM
“It is easier to believe a lie that one has heard a thousand times than to believe a fact that one has never heard before.” ~ Robert S. Lynd
Harpazo on February 4, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Yes, for a “principled” “straight talker” this dude is steeped in the Machiavellian arts. He will sell his country because the world “owes” him.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Loved the caption below one of McCorpse’s campaign photos today “Super Tuesday at Bernie’s”.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 8:43 PM
I swear Rush reads my posts on the Hill. This is from my post last Friday:
“John McCain lied about why he opposed Bush’s tax cuts, lied about Mitt’s record, lied that he didn’t know Juan Hernandez’s postions, and lied about his true intention on illegal immigration. John McCain isn’t someone who changes positions, he is simply a bold-faced liar. He has the Orwellian tendency to call his lies “straight talk”. McCain is the death angel of the Republican party.”
And this is from an an article in the Politico today:
Dole scolds Limbaugh
By: Mike Allen
Feb 4, 2008 06:42 PM EST
Updated: February 4, 2008 06:42 PM EST
Bob Dole
In a letter released Monday evening by McCain’s campaign, Dole strongly defended the senator’s conservative
Bob Dole, the former Senate Republican leader, wrote an insistent letter to Rush Limbaugh on Monday and suggested that for the good of the party, the conservative talk-show host should stop his strafing of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).
On Monday’s show, Limbaugh asserted that McCain has “lied about his reason for opposing the Bush tax cuts,”
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Hopefully, Romney will be broke enough from using his money to try to destroy the party not to run again.
I am so thoroughly disgusted by the hateful attempt to win the nomination by splitting the party that I could not possibly support Romney in any endeavor after this election.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 4, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Yeah, I don’t want a guy who works with the other side of the aisle because he can’t work with his own side. That’s not a unifier, that’s a sell-out.
someguy on February 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Frankly:
- I don’t give a flaming rat’s posterior that McCain spent X days/months/years in a Hanoi POW camp (which was no doubt horrific).
Just like Kerry in 2004, McCain keeps bringing up experiences from 30 years ago as if they were (a) his golden omnibus ticket to absolute moral authority, or (b) germane to the enemy America is now, in the geopolitical environment that exists now.
- I don’t care that he’s a decorated Naval officer.
All of his direct command experience is 30 years out of date, and geared toward a vastly different foe than American troops face today. Aside from having a great respect and support for the military (which any good POTUS cum C-in-C should have), I fail to see what else he brings to the Presidency that another capable candidate would not.
- And I couldn’t care less about his support for the surge.
Heck, he could have masterminded the whole damn thing and it wouldn’t matter to me. “Too few troops” was the clarion call of more analysts and lay folk (like myself) from the early days of the post-Saddam Iraq occupation.
What I think about McCain is moot, of course, as whoever the POTUS is in 2009 will only have a couple of years before the NAU takes shape [adjusts Faraday-hat]. :-P
Harpazo on February 4, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Romney will “only” spend $35 mil of his over $100 mil fortune, and I’m sure most of it will be paid back by contributions as it was “loaned”.
Huckabee is the one who is splitting the party. There is NOTHING that Huckabee brings to the party. He can’t win now, yet he is running interference for McCain.
McCain is also splitting the party. He has one or two conservative positions and the rest are Democratic. He is tearing the party apart because it doesn’t now whether to sacrifice principles for his supposed “electibility”. To hell with the grave digger for the Republican Party, the evil McShamnesty! Vote for Mitt and say no to Crist, Arnold, Rudy, the RNC and the rest of the sellouts!
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 8:58 PM
And quite frankly, who really cares about your opinion, while you are at it.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 4, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Keep spilling Romney’s slime about Mac on Hot Air.
Mac’s victory will only be the sweeter for it.
With each post you make, you further marginalize yourself and your candidate.
JayHaw Phrenzie on February 4, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Yes, war hero status is not a blank absolution from all future sins. Don’t accept NAU as a reality, people are waking up to it.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Romney is not “my candidate”. I was for Fred from the very beginning. I just can’t accept the Amnesty sell-out and the liar McCain. I want someone Tancredo and DeMint like rather than someone La Raza and Vicente Fox like.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 8:05 PM
I find it curious no fatwa has been issued, calling for bho’s head. His being an EX muslim and all. the articles I want to cite I can’t find anymore outside of the ones that have been washed. And why hasn’t there been any uproar over his support for odinga? To me something doesn’t add up. could it be taqiyya at it’s finest? I know that is somewhat off topic but I feel it needs to be said over and over. the other two….I truly see very little dif. at this point….go Mitt.
jerrytbg on February 4, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Well I can’t answer the questions. Certainly Obama’s ascendancy has been welcomed in several middle eastern countries, but that’s not publicized very much. I don’t want to slander the guy, I only say things that I know with some degree of certainty or have a strong opinion on when it’s just a matter of opinion. I think regardless of Obama’s intentions, just based on his rhetoric already he would be much more “understanding” of the muslim world and doing anything to jeopardize his election wouldn’t be the first priority of any thinking enemy of America from the middle east.
I doubt there is a conspiracy to suppress anything about him given where Hillary is in the fight against him. I would venture to guess that political correctness is the driving factor.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 9:14 PM
blame rushbaby, cause I didn’t read the above posts first! lol!!!!!!
jerrytbg on February 4, 2008 at 9:14 PM
sorry guys, I guess I should go now.
[adjusts Faraday-hat]. :-P
Harpazo on February 4, 2008 at 8:58 Pm
Humm…….
jerrytbg on February 4, 2008 at 9:20 PM
I have to go too. Keep your fingers crossed. I’m done with denial after believing Fred could take South Carolina, but hey, it’s never over till it’s over.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 9:22 PM
I’d give you a list of names of people of unimpeachable integrity who support McCain and whom you presume to defame, but I won’t bother.
When someone starts presuming that everyone who disagrees with him is immoral or intellectually inferior, he’s well on the road to extremism. Democracy will never produce satisfactory results for him. He’d be left with the choice of withdrawal from politics or violence – if he actually stood by his advertised beliefs. More likely, he’ll just go on whining and complaining, convinced that he’s somehow above his fellow citizens, never noticing what a comical irrelevancy he’s become.
CK MacLeod on February 4, 2008 at 9:23 PM
One last post: I just voice an opinion that’s contrary to yours. I don’t whine and complain. I’ve lived under Communism and if I have to I’ll survive again. And nobody’s integrity is unimpeachable.
Just remember: tomorrow is the most important day for the survival of the United States and Western civilization since the Cuban Missile Crisis. Vote accordingly if you’re voting.
Igor R. on February 4, 2008 at 9:28 PM
this kinda reminds me of the blind disciples of the clintons in the 90’s that now see them for the liars they were and are.
mclaim will be eaten alive by the msm if he is the chosen one. used up and thrown away. the crossing the aisle, reaching out to the other side, being a “uniter” will all be forgotten.
George Washington was a war hero and didnt think he was worthy to lead the country.
palefaced on February 4, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Quit whining and playing the victim. Twenty four years in the military should have made toughened you up, or was the French military?
You choose to ignore the reasons for many of us not supporting or actively fighting against McCain. You choose to call it vitriol. We call it principle. I have “high hopes” you will look at the issues and reasons for anyone’s stance–for or against–any candidate.
Montana on February 4, 2008 at 9:50 PM
REGISTRATION IS OPEN AT LGF
RushBaby on February 4, 2008 at 10:22 PM
And yet my obviously irrelevant comment managed to wring a response out of your narcissistic* arse — though I’m sure you only responded out of a sense of duty to the other, less-discerning, more credulous Hot Air readers who might have read my personal opinion about a candidate and mistaken it for either granite-carved FACT, holy writ, or perhaps the next view they should be compelled to hold.
Unlike HeeHaw and his/her/its comprehensionally-challenged ilk, I don’t expect comments that I make semi-anonymously online to be interpreted as fiat law.
FYI BlayBlaw: just because you proclaim another person irrelevant (an example of the ad hominem logical fallacy), doesn’t actually make that person (or his/her views) irrelevant.
If you’d care to argue the particular views (doubtful) that I expressed above, JawHay, and thereby not look like a runt-sized rooster who tries to attain status by the volume and bravado of its squawk and strut, I might be interested in discussing issues at a later date (unlike you, I don’t have hours to devote to comment threads on HA).
If, however, you insist on acting like a trollish halfwit who refuses to brook ANY criticism of your
prophetcandidate, then by all means continue as you were.*Yes, narcissistic. Anyone who takes a rhetorical, personal swing at a total stranger online is manifesting clear signs of narcissism and delusions of grandeur. Adults attack issues; adolescents attack people.
Harpazo on February 4, 2008 at 10:32 PM
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