I have an ex. We simply married too young, but still get along today. Good friends still. One of the problems we ran into was she wasn’t happy I couldn’t be the push-over beta male when she wanted it and the alpha-male when she wanted. took us both awhile the problem wasn’t my refusing to be ny one other than me, but her being bi-polar.

I’ve dated since then. I’m in my 40s so don’t date anyone younger than 35. I’ve met a few great gals and few complete losers. Generally have a date or two a month for the last 10 years. I’ve yet to meet any woman who didn’t approach the whole relationship with a sense of entitlement.

The expectation varies and some I’m willing to compromise on–others I’m not. Haven’t met the right match, but comfortable with the idea that I possibly won’t.

In my opinion, women tend to complain men are looking for the Perfect Woman and won’t commit while at the same time complaining there isn’t a Perfect Man out there for them so men suck.

Sow-reap.

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Spirit of 1776 on February 5, 2008 at 12:08 AM

The more you speak..the more I want to do that Brit accent JUST for you. :)

Articles like this are hardly concrete fact that things are this bad. Just one girl’s viewpoint.

But with that said, many women bring this sort of thing on themselves, by spending a good bit of their early adulthood being drunken tarts. Men do to women what women allow them to do…simple as that. If men expect women to put out, it is because women have done just that.

There is nothing like waiting for something wonderful like this, and for me, although I did not know it at the time, that I would one day meet the most wonderful woman and enjoy such a wonderful life as a husband and a father, but I did, and it was well worth the wait.

William2006 on February 5, 2008 at 4:39 AM

William – While I am very happy for your life’s blessings of marriage and family (and yes, I truly do believe that finding one’s true companion and having a family are blessings), your success in marriage and family no more shows that I will succeed than someone’s failed marriage shows that my eventual marriage would fail. We each are individuals with individual experiences in life. I am no more certain that my eventual marriage would fail, just because everyone in my family (parents, aunts and uncles) are divorded than I am certain that I will eventually find my true companion just, because many others have done so.

I determine my life, based on myself and my own experiences, in what I believe and for what I stand.

Don’t worry ladies, pretty soon you’ll be married to a muslim and sharing him with a few of your best friends.

Tony737 on February 4, 2008 at 10:55 PM

It’s a mess, finding the “right” one, I don’t think the men are totally to blame as the writer claims.

Forbid the day they are not the fairer! A woman can bring beauty in a way no man can. Heh, men enable them to full-bloom and are in turn intoxicated by them. Don’t let the thorns convince you to redefine the rose, because then you will neither be the wiser, nor your life more full.

Spirit of 1776 on February 5, 2008 at 12:08 AM

That was beautiful, truly.

Awww…poor widdle baaaabies.

And there’s not another side to this? As in, who wants to put up with an overbearing, if it ain’t perfect it’s craaaaap fantasy world princess?

There ain’t enough booze OR excedrin….

Wind Rider on February 4, 2008 at 11:03 PM

I am with you Wind Rider

Women are like eggs. They must be refrigerated or they quickly start to smell.

Really? The woman who wrote this piece sounds plenty “refrigerated” to me.

As a Catholic, I was brought up to believe that marriage and family were more than just something into which one was led by instinct or inertia. They were a genuine calling, a “vocation.” Maybe you had it, maybe you didn’t. (Sorry if that’s too “religious” for some of you, but you might find The Boss’ view of the subject to be quite similar. I’m just guessing here, okay?) People can be motivated by all manner of reasons to wait, not the least of which is to meet “the one” who makes it easier to get to Heaven, as opposed to harder. The columnist highlighted here seems to be motivated by selfish desire. No men are good enough. Give a society enough self-absorbed women like that, and it won’t be long before enough men pick up on it.

That’s when being a “man-boy” starts looking like a viable alternative.

Buy Danish on February 5, 2008 at 9:42 AM

Don’t be a concrete thinker.

It could also be their reaction is not “navel gazing”, but more like “why bother?”

Women are like eggs. They must be refrigerated or they quickly start to smell.

ronsfi on February 5, 2008 at 9:15 AM

That was just weird, (dude?) I’ll leave it to Dr. Freud to figure out why you felt compelled to ’share’ that.

But, I still blame it on the department stores for not having stocked enough of them.

Men are like eggs. They must hatch or go bad.

Women are like eggs. They must be refrigerated or they quickly start to smell.

Interested parties can submit their details at….

Always, always, have a good prenuptial

Kini on February 4, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Why should men have to settle for Ms. Entitled Airhead instead of Ms. Right?

BKennedy on February 5, 2008 at 7:14 AM

Being a divorcee of one month, I think these guys hit the nail on the head.

The UK church-going is way down, Political Correctness is running amok, people are monitored at every street corner like children, men and women are seen interchangable entities in all roles and THEN they are wonder why the men aren’t in the overly mature category?

Its almost too funny to think about. Culture is stronger then laws, political correctness, science or economics. Unfortunately it is the first item discarded on the way to destroying the other three.

That being said, I don’t fault the author of this piece and I don’t see it as “whining”, nor do I see it as a blame game.

She is reporting on a cultural phenomenon and her experiences, so it seems sort of silly to attack her for reporting on them.

hormonally charged sperm-bandits

Ha!

We have come full circle.

British women in their thirties want mates. They can’t find any. Why? Because most eligible males are selfish, mixed-up man-boys chasing no-strings sex, says our correspondent

Why should men have to settle for Ms. Entitled Airhead instead of Ms. Right?

Good point. You’ll have to ask Bradky about how he came to be intimately familar with those details :)

Spirit of 1776 on February 5, 2008 at 12:42 AM

LOL Easy Cowboy. Janet is my cousin.

Personally, I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.
- Groucho

MB4 on February 5, 2008 at 4:57 AM

LOL

And yes I am a genius, member of Mensa and generally smart guy – thanks for the affirmation.

Bradky on February 4, 2008 at 11:44 PM

Personally, I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.
- Groucho

Whatever. Soon to be 32-year old eligible male here who has wanted to find a female whose first two priorities in life were not (1) getting laid and (2) getting drunk. So, these correspondents can stop with the smearing of men. Women are just as selfish, superficial and chasing sex and drunkenness as men.

Michael in MI on February 4, 2008 at 10:52 PM

Michael in MI,

My wife is proof that there are wonderful women out there!

We now have enjoyed 17 plus years since we met, and almost 12 years since we married. We are blessed with three born children, (sadly, one we lost to miscarriage which would have been four children to date, a loss which actually increased, or deepened our appreciation of all our children), and one who has been swimming around and practicing Jiu Jitsu, Kung Fu, Muay Thai, and Gymnastics inside my wife’s tummy, about to make his or her transition from inside the womb to the outside world over the next 17 to 24 days or less.

Our children, his or her three siblings – girl – 10, boy – 7, and girl – 4, are excited to meet their little brother or sister, having seen and felt baby dancing all over the place for months through mommy’s tummy.

There is nothing like waiting for something wonderful like this, and for me, although I did not know it at the time, that I would one day meet the most wonderful woman and enjoy such a wonderful life as a husband and a father, but I did, and it was well worth the wait.

William

Or,maybe the males in England don’t want to do the whole
kabaki dance,that some females enjoy putting them through!

Well theres two angles,I’m married,so i’m lucky!

Thank you, you made my point better than me.

Though I will concede that I should have said “women could be steretyped…” instead of “should be” in my statement.

But this goes back to my point that you made: it is not that the stereotype is true of either side, but rather that it is always made of men and rarely made of women, when, in fact, culture has developed enough women to have these same traits to now warrant the stereotype for them as well.

My attack therefore was not really at women, but rather at this constant stereotyping of men, while letting women off the hook. As someone mentioned up thread though, blaming one gender or the other for all relationship problems is foolish. Yet, 9 times out of 10, men get the blame. So I see these “studies” as more men bashing than truly trying to help societal relationships to improve.