Romney 2012? Update: Romney 2008 = Reagan 1976?
posted at 12:44 pm on February 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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With McCain-hate boiling, why isn’t Mitt airing attack ads? The script writes itself. “John McCain: The only candidate approved by amnesty shills in both parties.”
Politico has a theory.
Just as Romney hurriedly pivoted to an anti-Washington message in the four days between Iowa and New Hampshire, he has just a few days now to slow the McCain momentum and paint his rival as unacceptable.
But he’s apparently declined to do so via television ads, and there is not enough time to do it through direct mail. Romney is sending a barrage of robo-calls into key Super Tuesday states, but that likely won’t be enough.
McCain, meanwhile, is picking up a slew of train-leaving-the-station endorsements each day and is increasingly seen as the inevitable nominee by many party regulars…
All of this might persuade Romney to go down without a last-minute, scorched-earth barrage aimed at his party’s likely nominee.
A graceful exit, this thinking goes, could smooth the path to a second presidential run that many close to Romney believe he would seek.
The other possibility is that he’s planning a hard slog through February and March and doesn’t want to get too nasty yet. Karl reminds us that 45% of the delegates will still be in play after Tuesday, so McCain ain’t clinching anything this week. Except … if Mitt gets creamed, he’s in the Giuliani-esque position of being still technically alive but facing a tidal wave of momentum with nothing to save him except the base’s animus to McCain, which will have already been proved two times a loser after Florida and Super Tuesday. What is he waiting for? What are these already obnoxious numbers going to look like by, say, Valentine’s Day if Maverick rolls 48 hours from now?


Even the good news, like the fact that Mitt now leads in California in Zogby’s poll, isn’t all that good. For one thing, he trails in McCain by 7-9 points in the three other recent polls. For another thing, California’s not winner-take-all; all the lead means is that Romney may pick up a few delegates more there than Maverick. He’s behind in the bellwethers too.
Exit question: So why isn’t he pulling out all the stops? Any theories? Mull it over while you listen to the new Instacast, in which Mitt reiterates his commitment to gun rights and the free market but fails to tap that rich, sweet vitriol towards McCain which we all think runs through the conservative body politic but which, alas, may not. No matter how many high-profile cover stories about his basic jerkiness try to get it pumping.
Update: Indeed. It’ll be fun to watch. Almost as fun as the inevitable Fred endorsement of Maverick.
[A]s to the Mitt 2012 point, the moment he is no longer the great conservative hope to you all, and has also proven out a loser, most of you are going to drop him down the memory hole and hope he never shows his pretty head again. Your hatred of McCain is a hundred times stronger than your love for Mitt, and you’d give anything, probably including your souls, for a well-financed, energetic, and ambitious movement conservative without Mitt’s weaknesses.
Mitt knows that – and you might think that it would increase the odds of his going nuclear, if this is his last chance, but that’s where you’re wrong again. Because as soon as Mitt is no longer the great conservative hope, I’m pretty confident he’s going to drop you guys, too, since he knows that his only hope of sustained viability within the party and the other circles he’s at home in is to get on the team.
Update: InstaGlenn e-mails to say he’s wondering whether Mitt’s run this year isn’t a modern analog to Reagan’s failed run in 1976 against Ford. The “conservative upstart versus establishment moderate” parallel does track, but (a) needless to say, Romney’s conservative cred isn’t anything like Reagan’s; (b) Reagan was a beloved figure within the party whereas Romney, er, isn’t; and (c) Romney’s not tasked with upending an incumbent president, merely a centrist senator despised by much of the base who was left for dead politically last year. He’s going to face recriminations for not being able to stop someone as weak as McCain, especially given his financial advantage. And whereas the ‘76 run largely cleared the way for Reagan in 1980, he can expect another 12 rounds with Huckabee in 2012 and, quite possibly, Bobby Jindal.
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There are several better condidates for 2012.
KBird on February 3, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Attack ads can backfire. I think Romney is right to avoid those. I live in Missouri and people really don’t seem to respond to attack ads. I have gotten robo calls from all the candidates of both sides plus several polls. I have been reading that Romney has gone up quite a bit in Missouri. I think Romney has a good chance on Tuesday and it isn’t over for him by a long shot.
katieanne on February 3, 2008 at 12:48 PM
If McAmnesty is nominated, I won’t vote for him. I’ll go vote in the other elections, but voting in a POTUS race between him and Hillary/Obama would really be a waste of time now, wouldn’t it?
Kowboy on February 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Screw 2012.
Romney ‘08. We can still beat that liberal-leaning Constitution-destroying scum of a bastard John Amnesty McCain.
CABE on February 3, 2008 at 12:50 PM
My Hope is that Mitts Playing Chess not checkers…
but all i can do is Pray…..
and that I am doing!!!!
-Wasteland Man.
P.S. Go for the Jugular MITT!!!!!!
WastelandMan on February 3, 2008 at 12:50 PM
If lightning strikes twice in the same place and McCain wins the general, he’ll be a lame duck from day 1. In fact, with the MSM baying at his heels and conservatives voting against him in every poll, I suspect he’ll let his temper run the WH. The above is all irrelevant, anyway, because Obama will smoke him. I doubt Romney would be successful in 2012 with Bobby Jindal lurking in the background. I say, “Scorched earth, all the way down.”
a capella on February 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Romney just needs to play the full-of-praise for MITT McCain ad that heartily endorses Gov. Romney (from an earlier campaign)… and let voters think it is from now.
If they’re dumb enough to swallow McCain recent multiple conversions (anti-tax cuts to pro-tax cuts; anti-border controls SHAMNESTY to pro-border controls; anti-ANWAR drilling to unclear but “I’m a hero!” ; anti-1st Amendment with McCain-Feingold to unclear but “I’m still a hero!” ),
they may think that McCain is now endorsing Mitt.
Romney doesn’t want to appear as much a sleazebag as the “hero” by going as negative.
Mitt should play up his own strengths (economy, not a “Washington insider” etc., etc.) and leave the mud to Shamnesty McCain.
profitsbeard on February 3, 2008 at 12:56 PM
If Romney holds to his current conservative views (as opposed to the liberal ones he had as Governor of Mass. a few years ago), he will be more credible as the GOP standard bearer in 2012.
jgapinoy on February 3, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Let’s hope that Huckleberry is the one who gets creamed on Tuesday and finally ends his slime-ball campaign once and for all. Mitt may pick up a lot of the Republicans who are backing Huckleberry and bolster his base against McLame.
Mallard T. Drake on February 3, 2008 at 12:56 PM
I second that emotion!!!!!!!!
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on February 3, 2008 at 12:57 PM
God forbid that a candidate should have an aversion to attack ads, although McCain is an easy target. Frankly, I think McCain is already the nominee, although if Romney could stay alive, I’d give the man a lot of points. Monday should prove interesting and I guess we’ll see what happens Tuesday.
Connie on February 3, 2008 at 12:57 PM
A thought, after reading the recent posts: if the general race were Mitt vs. Obama, we may witness the cleanest, nicest campaign since 1992.
Mallard T. Drake on February 3, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Giants 25- Patriots 13.
But then I wanted Tancredo, too.
profitsbeard on February 3, 2008 at 12:59 PM
a capella on February 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM
FNC was just mentioning the 28 retirements in the House and then key senate races. Couple this with a McCain/Hillary/Obama win, and it’s good night. The establishment is pushing mediocrity. This is going to haunt them in spades.
Cold Steel on February 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Oh, and for the record Allah:
After 4 years in office, Mitt will have a stranglehold on 2012.
Cold Steel on February 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM
If McCain wins in Nov., then retires after one term, his VP (Fred?) will be the presumptive nominee. He will need his own VP, which could be Mitt.
jgapinoy on February 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Yeah, no offense to McCain and Romney but I’m hoping the group of candidates we have to choose from in 2012 is a whole lot better.
terryannonline on February 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM
I’m afraid Specter has money down and was trying to affect the point spread by creating a little Pat bulletin board material. Ethics would probably prevent him from doing that, right?
O.K., no more football talk on this thread from me.
a capella on February 3, 2008 at 1:07 PM
It’s not the “establishment” that’s giving McCain primary wins.
“Mediocrity” is staying home in Nov.
McCain could be a good President, but the more conservatives trash him, the less likely he’ll move in our direction.
jgapinoy on February 3, 2008 at 1:08 PM
RASMUSSEN (Via Drudge):
CA: Obama 45% Clinton 44%
McCain 38% Romney 38%
GA: McCain 31% Romney 29% Huck 28%
Obama 52% Clinton 37%
Tied in California (backs up Zogby) and only down 2 in Georgia. Mittmentum?
JustinHiggins on February 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Sorry, it is the establishment which is giving him the endorsements, not because they think he’ll be a good president, but because they want their front feet in the D.C. feeding trough. Same old, same old.
a capella on February 3, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but when was Politico (a lefty mouthpiece) appointed to tell us what to think?
bofh on February 3, 2008 at 1:12 PM
a capella-
Specter and ethics should never be used in the same sentence.
McCain and “I‘ve learned” either.
profitsbeard on February 3, 2008 at 1:12 PM
From Patterico’s post on the Newsweek profile of McLame
Boy, I would hope the opposition by the conservatives in DC is about his policies and political actions. I don’t want to think that conservatives are that shallow that they would not support “Senator Hothead” just because he’s a jerk. The “rat” gives them plenty of reasons to withhold their support just by looking at his well-documented record of anti-conservative/republican actions.
Mallard T. Drake on February 3, 2008 at 1:12 PM
jgapinoy on February 3, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Mediocrity is endorsed by NYT. Mediocrity is moderate/liberal/”independent” support. Mediocrity is ends-means principles.
As an aside. I’m not sitting out. I’m voting early and often. I just plan on bringing a pen with me.
Cold Steel on February 3, 2008 at 1:12 PM
By “pulling out all the stops” you seem to mean raising the level of attack from criticism to the kind of character assassination and ugly fanaticism in style on internet message boards and in certain other quarters. Mitt’s not that kind of guy. If he were even a little bit more that kind of guy, he might have done better, but he’s not even close to that kind of guy. Mitt on the attack is like Dukakis in the tank. Just as important, that kind of attack would backfire, and permanently associate Mitt with the McCain-hating far right. He’d be the shrinking witch melting and screaming her way into oblivion while her armies of flying monkeys fled in panic.
CK MacLeod on February 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM
I read the NYT “endorsement”. Obviously, they don’t love McCain, they just hate him less than Romney.
jgapinoy on February 3, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Yeah, I know you’re right. But damn! Nice guys do finish last. OTOH, dubya is a nice guy, and I remember how thrilled I was to have him recreate the Oval Office as a place of honor. The last few years haven’t been much fun, though, and now we’ll have Juan Hernandez et al, doing overnights in the Lincoln bedroom, if McCain makes it through.
a capella on February 3, 2008 at 1:25 PM
For the good the Party and for the good of the Romney’s political future, a swift gracefulexit “to make good will” sooner rather than later would be to the benefit of everyone.
Chakra Hammer on February 3, 2008 at 1:27 PM
For the good the Party and for the good of the Romney’s political future, a swift graceful exit “to make good will” sooner rather than later would be to the benefit of everyone.
Chakra Hammer on February 3, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Er, no, I mean a laundry list of the issues on which McCain is less than traditionally conservatives intermingled with some of his choicer quotes about conservatism over the years.
Allahpundit on February 3, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Furthermore, as to the Mitt 2012 point, the moment he is no longer the great conservative hope to you all, and has also proven out a loser, most of you are going to drop him down the memory hole and hope he never shows his pretty head again. Your hatred of McCain is a hundred times stronger than your love for Mitt, and you’d give anything, probably including your souls, for a well-financed, energetic, and ambitious movement conservative without Mitt’s weaknesses.
Mitt knows that – and you might think that it would increase the odds of his going nuclear, if this is his last chance, but that’s where you’re wrong again. Because as soon as Mitt is no longer the great conservative hope, I’m pretty confident he’s going to drop you guys, too, since he knows that his only hope of sustained viability within the party and the other circles he’s at home in is to get on the team.
It’s not just a question of his ambitions. I think it’s really who he is. He doesn’t like McCain much, but he’s not a hater. He never was the Wicked Witch, and he thinks that flying attack monkeys stink.
CK MacLeod on February 3, 2008 at 1:30 PM
So, you don’t think it fits into an agenda for the NYT? They must have a reason for liking him more. I’ll bet I know what it is. They are strong supporters of the Iraq conflict, and wouldn’t do anything to damage the WOT, right? That is McCain’s only claim to fame, so it all comes together now. I see the big picture.
a capella on February 3, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Let’s look at the states, I just don’t see the delegates there for Romney in the next four months to stop McCain. Am I wrong?
LA (47 delegates) – already had caucuses and McCain won most of them
WA (40 delegates) – was running heavily for Rudy last year
KS (39 delegates) – maybe
VA (63 winner take all delegates) – was running heavily for Rudy and McCain last year
MD (37 delegates) – had McCain +8 when Rudy was still in the race in Jan
DC (9 delegates winner take all) – no polls found
WI (40 delegates) – was running for Rudy last year
TX (140 delegates) – was running for Rudy and McCain last year
OH (88 delegates) – was running for Rudy last year
RI (20 delegates) – no polls
VT (20 winner take all delegates) – no polls
MS (39 delegates) – no polls
PA (74 delegates) – McCain +16.0 in Jan when Rudy was still in the race
The following states have their primaries or caucuses in May or later, we will assume everything will be decided by then:
NC (69 delegates) – Huck and Thompson country so maybe
IN (57 delegates) – no polls
NA (33 delegates) – no polls
HI (20 delegates) – no polls
KY (45 delegates) – no polls
OR (30 delegates) – no polls
ID (32 delegates) – no polls
NM (32 delegates) – no polls
SD (27 delegates) – no polls
bnelson44 on February 3, 2008 at 1:32 PM
McCain will NEVER win in November – without conservatives. I for one, will NEVER, EVER vote for him.
stenwin77 on February 3, 2008 at 1:33 PM
A Pres mccain will never move the conservative direction no matter what. feingold, kennedy and lieberman will be more welcome in the White House than any conservative and when it is justice picking time specter and kennedy will tell him the candidates.
There are dark days ahead, folks.
peacenprosperity on February 3, 2008 at 1:34 PM
If Mitt surrenders now, kiss 2012 goodbye…………he’ll be in Dukakis-land then…………exiled.
As he should be (if he quits now). I want a POTUS that has some Malkins to fight for the USA!
omnipotent on February 3, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Geez, you make it sound like he’s a nice guy flip flopper. What about all that “I’m an outsider and am going to clean up what ails Washington” rhetoric? Are you saying he really didn’t mean it and it was just to pull votes?
a capella on February 3, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Romney 2012?
Ummm- NO. Romney NOW!
RIGHT NOW! Git on the STOP McCAIN EXPRESS!
Now THAT’S a fine idea!
Ex-tex on February 3, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Did ya’ll hear the Huck discussion on Meet the Press this mornin’?
The opinion expressed by several is that Huck is nuthin’ but a dumb hick spoiler lettin’ himself git used by McCain because Huck’s “got a MAN CRUSH on McCain” (Mary Matalin)
The opinion was that HUCK NEEDS TO GIT OUT! Have some class like Guiliani and leave this to be a 2 man race.
Come’on Huck- show some class and git out. You might still have a career after this if ya do. Otherwise you’re gonna end up a laughin’ stock.
Ex-tex on February 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Is Romney really the fiscal conservative he says he is?
Did you know you spent $250 million of your taxpayers money to help Romney bail out Salt Lake City’s Olympics? When McCain fought the pork barrel spending, he said it was closer to half a billion dollars.
bnelson44 on February 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Maybe there is another strategy, maybe there are endorsements coming on Monday that could make lots of people stop and take notice and attack adds could interfere or be used to lessen the impact. Rush is right on the edge of endorsing and Fred has been very quiet. Cheney and Bush have asked to talk at CPAC so who knows what that is about and it’s too late for Super Tuesday.
peacenprosperity on February 3, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Think about it. If Huck gets out his voters will vote McCain.
bnelson44 on February 3, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Mitt isn’t engaged in a scorched earth campaign for obvious reasons.
1) The attacks on McCain are already being done by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and they are far more effective at attacking McCain’s’ record than Mitt would be. Also, by staying out Mitt avoids any blow back that could come from negative campaigning and gets to talk about his plans and his record.
2) Mitt has already said he is staying in past Super-Duper Tuesday. So yes he is saving something for a future race, the one after February 5th. With the huge influx of money the Romney campaign has experienced after Florida they are better able to fight a war of attrition for the last 20 states that have Primaries.
3) Mitt is already a head in Texas and Ohio. They both have their primaries on March 4th. Texas is generally a more conservative state and more friendly towards business. And for some reason Mitt Romney has raised more money in Ohio than anybody Democrat or Republican. McCain will have more delegates after Super Tuesday, but that is not the end of the story. Mitt will have the most delegates at the convention. Yes, Mitt Romney will be running in 2012, but as an incumbent.
joncoltonis on February 3, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Oh God I’m going to be sick.
Shay on February 3, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Allah — What is it with you and predicting doom all the time?
Do you have black cloud over your head every where you go?
EJDolbow on February 3, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Perhaps we are the point of diminishing returns.
Spirit of 1776 on February 3, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Wasn’t that what he was appointed to do,..clean up the Olympics? I’ve got no problem with criticizing the expenditures for that particular purpose, but I don’t understand your logic in attaching it to Mitt since that was his job. It’s either:
Dirty Olympics
Clean Olymics
No Olympics
If we are going to hold them, I assume we want them done without the bribes and corruption he was hired to eliminate. Otherwise, don’t have them here and save the money. That would also be fine.
a capella on February 3, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Keep dreaming buddy, “McCain appears to be well-positioned for some big wins on Tuesday, per a new round of polls”
Complete7 on February 3, 2008 at 1:53 PM
As a pundit on Fox News (didn’t recognize him or get his name) just stated thatright now is the farthest to the right you will see McCain go. If elected he will tack Left again and continue on with the course where he is most comfortable.
Meanwhile, no matter what happens after Tuesday, Mitt has made a mark and begun to impress more and more people with his impressive skills and honorable character. I expect him to work hard to promote conservative causes and continue to earn trust and goodwill which will serve him well in 2012.
Buy Danish on February 3, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Mitt will suffer terrible recriminations within the party for “letting” McCain win the nomination. In 2012 the thinking will be that if he couldn’t be a RINO like Maverick, who can he beat?
Allahpundit on February 3, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Argghh. Hit submit by mistake. delete [thatright].
Buy Danish on February 3, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Mitt could cure cancer and bnelson would still find fault: either he didn’t do it fast enough, he spent too much on it, or he knew the cure 6 months ago but didn’t release it then for his own personal gain.
JustTruth101 on February 3, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Well then I guess the discussion is over. Just keep linking to Politico. Give them more hits, make them richer. Lend an air of legitimacy to whatever they write. Hey, why not link to Koz or Mydd as well – I’m sure they have opinions too, and will also appreciate the traffic.
bofh on February 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM
I think Romney, in office, would govern from the center more than we’d all like. Us conservative political junkies know McCain and would rather try more of an unknown to us like Romney and roll the dice.
the “GOP establishment” are behind mccain, which seems obvious at this point. I think they made the calculation awhile ago they needed to tract left a bit to remain a viable party as the baby boomers age and the entitlement committments come to fruitition, the political realities of where its headed.
its sucks, I know. It explains the ‘compassionate conservatism’ crap though. We need another Reagan…don’t have one.
jp on February 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Well, that’s not pulling out all the stops. That’s pulling out a few already pulled-out stops a little further. The only people that works with are already pretty much on board, I think, and they can vote only once each except in Chicago. For most of the rest of those supporting McCain, even a lot of conservative Republicans – though maybe not very, very, very true, true, true conservatives – his heterodox views and behaviors are a feature, not a bug. Ditto for his rejection by the haters (or, if you prefer, by all the very good very well-meaning souls who happen to be seen by the rest of the world as haters).
After acceptance on certain core issues, it’s probably a gut level feeling about whether he seems like a leader compared to the alternatives. For those more concerned with issues, in case you haven’t noticed, it doesn’t look like we’re on the verge of a new conservative revolution with Rs in ascendancy everywhere. From the center of the electorate to the center of the party, getting a guy who qualifies as relatively conservative (for the 95% of the electorate to the left of, say, average HotAir commenter) seems like a pretty good deal, considering the lay of the land and the realistic alternatives.
CK MacLeod on February 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM
I hope its not too late, but Mitt muffed a golden opportunity to smack McCain down at the last debate. He sat there and let McCain smear him and backed away when Anderson Cooper interrupted him. Its almost like he was waiting to be called on by the teacher to fight back.
The truth is Mitt brought top hat and tails to a leather-jacket knife fight and McCain twisted the knife in Mitts gut with sadistic glee.
Always Right on February 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM
How is Mitt “letting” McCain win? He’s fighting every step of the way. It’s an uninformed electorate who is not paying close enough attention that is letting Mitt down, not the other way around.
JustTruth101 on February 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM
You mean like Fred received? I just don’t see animus building toward Mitt if he loses.
I just got a call from Senator Chambliss who I really respect, but I am not happy at all with him for supporting McCain. That is the sort of place where my irritation will be focused as they will share responsibility for electing the RINO.
Buy Danish on February 3, 2008 at 1:59 PM
That’s harsh, Allah, but not surprising at all.
If Fred endorses McVain…he’s dead to me.
tickleddragon on February 3, 2008 at 1:59 PM
We hear this all the time when a candidate doesn’t make it. It was said about Kerry and Gore. The fact is, you only get one shot at the presidency, and if you could do it one time, no one will want to support you a second time. Game over.
If McCain turns out to be a popular president (which he might) the earliest a Republican could run would be 2016…the Year of Bobby Jindal (if not sooner).
Nosferightu on February 3, 2008 at 2:00 PM
I’ve never paid much attention. Is it that “Mormon” thing again, kitted up so we won’t recognize it?
a capella on February 3, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Mitts not a RINO though, he is a cameleon.
bnelson44 on February 3, 2008 at 2:04 PM
I haven’t paid close enough attention either, only that the one consistent theme: “Romney bad”. He [bnelson] expresses himself articulately though, so it is worth answering him to inform the less informed. I notice all his Romney attacks because I’m a Romney supporter.
JustTruth101 on February 3, 2008 at 2:04 PM
the bottom line: over the past 7 years the gang of 14 fought Bush and we conservatives lost our foundation, in great part thanks to mC.
quantdry: support a loser or fight for tomorrow.
strategy: crash it and burn it — conservatives defeat mC and send message.
question: 2008 like 1996 or 1992?
jimmer on February 3, 2008 at 2:05 PM
By the way, fyi, the Mitt ad in rotation in California IS an attack ad.
He’s attacking Hillary.
CK MacLeod on February 3, 2008 at 2:05 PM
I linked to a post by Jonathan Martin, a republican, who used to write for the National review. What has the politico ever done to you?
Complete7 on February 3, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Rudy was my fave when this all started, and I clung to that even while liking Fred till he dropped out. when Rudy endorsed McCain, I realized once more that they all are for sale, and are just negotiating fees. You know how that old joke goes.
a capella on February 3, 2008 at 2:08 PM
What’s really sad is there is nothing to even look forward to on the horizon.
Dash on February 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM
The moderates and democrats that are voting for McCain aren’t listening to Limbaugh and Hannity. The conservatives who are already apoplectic (including me) about McCain being the front runner do.
Mitt’s commercials would reach an entire segment of the people voting for McCain that are not hearing much of the anti-McCain beef yet.
Limbaugh and Hannity are preaching to the choir, for the most part.
Midas on February 3, 2008 at 2:14 PM
What’s really sad is there is nothing to even look forward to on the horizon.
How about beating Hillary Clinton into the role of the new Ted Kennedy. Bitter towards Republicans forever and a fringe candidate.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM
I dunno. Go back and read what this guy says. Sounds like another change is coming, if he knows what he is talking about.
a capella on February 3, 2008 at 2:16 PM
If Romenee gets whipped in 08′, what do they think will happen when Mav’s the incumbent flyin’ around on air force one as the champion of freedom and liberty?
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 3, 2008 at 2:19 PM
very dark
oldernslower on February 3, 2008 at 2:19 PM
I don’t think he is endorsing before Super Tuesday (he missed the opportunity yesterday when McCain was in TN). He may not endorse until a nominee is selected now. I have the distinct impression he is hold up someplace licking his wounds (what few he actually has). I think he was honestly surprised that he wasn’t crowned king of the conservative cause like Romney has been.
bnelson44 on February 3, 2008 at 2:20 PM
can you please do us all a favor and stop treating the politico with respect??? The shafted Thompson with BS stories, now the same with Mitt. They are liberal hacks and if Hotair falls for it too and helps spread the mixed messages, then you are no better than the rest of the MSM talking heads.
Spartacus on February 3, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Please don’t include those of us from Arizona who made the mistake of voting for him in 1982 and haven’t been able to get rid of him since.
Shay on February 3, 2008 at 2:20 PM
CK MacLeod -
I totally disagree with this! The last thing he is going to do is make moves which would give Republicans reason to mistrust his core principles. It is frankly absurd to suggest that he would dump those of us who are standing behind him.
Mitt does not need to be our President. He is not investing his money, time and effort and energy to satisfy his ego.
He is in this because of his children and grand-children and his serious concerns about the future of this country. He is not going to sell his family, or future generations of Americans, down the road and move to the Left and compromise their future out of ambition.
Buy Danish on February 3, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Pretty hard to do with that massive illegal Hispanic vote waiting to be courted. McCain already has his dual citizenship, outreach director in place, so he’s in good shape. Next step will be the driver’s license for them as official ID, then the DL as ID adequate to vote. Very simple.
a capella on February 3, 2008 at 2:22 PM
I don’t “hate” Mitt the way so many here seem to “hate” McCain, I just find his record (especially in regard to RKBA) unacceptible. If a few years from now he has shown somehow that his 180 on every major issue is genuine I’d consider him. Not now though.
JStew on February 3, 2008 at 2:23 PM
That’s assuming business as usual and the old boys still control the republican party. After 2006 the old boys shouls have been booted, instead they retained control. People seem to forget that the amnesty bill would have passed overwhelmingly, with the support of so called conservatives, if a couple of congressman hadn’t brought it to the attention of the internet and talk radio. A mccain or hilary/obama pres will be such a disaster that the republican party cannot be in 2012 what it is today. Heads will roll or there will have to be a conservative party.
peacenprosperity on February 3, 2008 at 2:23 PM
Who is CKMacLeod and by what authority should I believe his opinions are anymore valid than those who would disagree with him?
I don’t doubt that Mitt is thinking about 2012 – that is just common sense. I do find it offensive when CK suggests that Mitt is so fickle that he will dump his current supporters like hot potatoes if it fits into some sort of Machiavellian scheme.
Time will tell which one of it is right, but I’m betting on me on this one.
Buy Danish on February 3, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Don’t be too sure, according to Mary Matalin and other sources, most of the anonymous attacks on the Fred campaign came from the mccain camp. There may be some seriously bad blood there and I’m not convinced Fred wants to be vp when he didn’t always even seem to want to be pres. He’s going to suddenly start enjoying campaigning when it is for someone else?
peacenprosperity on February 3, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Shhhhhh!!! Pipe down everybody! We don’t want Johnny mad at us! Act more like the establisment in the GOP.
“They have to think happy thoughts and say happy things.”
Welcome to Peakesville.
Deety on February 3, 2008 at 2:31 PM
I believe Mitt will win but I’ll play along.
Mitt should fight all the way to the convention and if he still doesn’t get it, then he should write some books, lead a Heritage Foundation type of policy group, whatever keeps his name recognition high. In 2012, it will be his turn. Win or lose this year, he will rise up to be the de facto leader of conservative politics.
Greenhorn on February 3, 2008 at 2:32 PM
The guy was disparaging Ann Coulter yesterday. He’s got no cred with me.
peacenprosperity on February 3, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Holy sh*t – I agree with Allah!
dang.
Ex-tex on February 3, 2008 at 2:33 PM
1976 redux??? C’mon–McCain is no Ford. Remember (I know I’m repeating but you don’t seem to be getting it): McCain has a lifetime American Conservative Union rating of 82.3%.
(acuratings.org)
jgapinoy on February 3, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Whether Romney ever gets near Reagan’s legacy will depend in part on his speech at the convention.
jgapinoy on February 3, 2008 at 2:35 PM
82.3%? Is that a low B or high C?
peacenprosperity on February 3, 2008 at 2:35 PM
I’m not suggesting that Mitt will revert to his Massachusetts Senatorial campaign platform, and, having read your posts for some time, I would never lump you together with the typical McCain-hater. If you are a McCain-hater, you haven’t done a very good job in my observation of declaring your unwillingness even under Inquisitorial torture to say a nice work about him (much less vote for him). Mitt won’t reject people like you – why should he? – but I think he’ll run like a scalded dog from the haters.
CK MacLeod on February 3, 2008 at 2:39 PM
What was offensive about how he disparaged Ann Coulter was that he chose to go after her because she is (horrors!) dating a New York “liberal” named Andy Stein.
I think that sort of tabloid trash approach is reprehensible. One person whose name we do recognize who engages in those tactics is Debbie Schlussel, and for what it’s worth I have expressed my views to her.
The idea that we cannot have friendships or relationships with people who don’t follow the party line is more reminiscent of Mao Tse Dung than of patriotic virtue.
Buy Danish on February 3, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Good question! I say we ban him!
CK MacLeod on February 3, 2008 at 2:40 PM
You know, I’m not sure that thin skins look right on Ann Coulter supporters. Just my fashion judgment.
CK MacLeod on February 3, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Gosh, I do that all the time. Is that the only litmus? I have no idea who CK Macloed is, but he’s apparently tryng to categorize Mitt as too nice to attack McCain, and too smart to take permanent conservative positions after the nomination. In the pursuit of truth and purity, I’ve always tried to believe everything posted on message boards, but have, on occasion, been disappointed.
a capella on February 3, 2008 at 2:44 PM
I have defended McCain on attacks by those who would disparage his time spent as a P.O.W.
I do find it ironic that you think a lot of the animosity toward McCain is by “haters” since your comments about Ann Coulter yesterday, which were entirely of a personal nature, were, dare I say, hateful.
Mitt is not going to embrace Ann Coulter (figuratively speaking of course). Who else is he supposed to run away from? Hannity? Laura Ingraham? Michael Reagan? Rush?
Buy Danish on February 3, 2008 at 2:45 PM
No one’s going to give it away.
They make it hard for the people today.
To get what you want, you’ve got to do it yourself.
Don’t be afraid to drive the nail in the wood.
Or drink the bottle if it tastes so good.
You’ll go the distance. You never thought that you could.
Reach out and take it.
Reach out and ta-ta take it.
Reach out and take it.
Reach out and ta-ta-ta take it.
Reach out and take it. Oh, yeah!
Cough up the cash when you go over and over.
Before the old one’s gone, you’ve got a new owner.
You need assistance when your head’s in the clouds.
You could live easy if life stood still.
You could be faking and breaking and taking it all.
But then you know you’re gonna fall.
Reach out and take it.
Reach out and ta-ta take it.
Reach out and take it.
Reach out and ta-ta-ta take it.
Reach out and take it.
Don’t have to take it so hard.
Don’t have to take it so, so hard.
Don’t have to take it so hard.
Don’t have to take it so HARD!
Reach out and take it.
Reach out and ta-ta take it.
Reach out and take it.
Reach out and ta-ta-ta take it.
Reach out and take it.
Reach out. Reach out.
Take what you want.
Reach out. Reach out.
Take what you want.
Cheap Trick
Speakup on February 3, 2008 at 2:46 PM
That was an idiotic comment.
If all he were saying is that Mitt is too nice a guy to attack McCain we wouldn’t be having this discussion. The idea that he will become the Un-Conservative is a baseless prediction.
As for his disparaging Ann Coulter, he is entitled to criticize or even shun her for her political positions. To attack her because of who she dates is beyond the pale.
Buy Danish on February 3, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Hmmm – let’s take a little walk down memory lane. IIRC people were discussing Ann Coulter’s statement that she’d back Hillary over McCain, and I commented that the position would work well with her when she appeared at parties on the arm of her liberal democrat boyfriend. That’s me, “give ‘em disparagement” CK MacLeod. Though I say, I call it like I see it, and they just think it’s disparagement.
CK MacLeod on February 3, 2008 at 2:51 PM
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