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The Romney Paradox

posted at 5:10 pm on February 1, 2008 by Bryan
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I have come around to trust Mitt Romney more than John McCain or any of the other presidential candidates, and I think he is a smart and decent man who would be a fine president. He’s a leader who has shown that he knows how to fix things, and by associating himself with real conservatives from the very beginning of his campaign, he shows what kind of leader he’ll ultimately be. I’ll happily cast my vote for him when the time comes.

But I didn’t get to this point overnight, and it’s not just a rebound effect from discontent with John McCain. It’s an affirmative vote for Mitt Romney because I respect his resume, one of the finest we’ve had in a presidential contender in a long, long time. He is the most qualified candidate to take on the world’s most difficult job, by far.

As things stand right now, Romney has a tough hill to climb just to become the GOP nominee. He’s done what he could to get there, spending millions of dollars of his own money that could have been spent on yachts or small countries or whatever it is that the super-rich buy, and making the difficult but absolutely necessary transition from business to politics. But the path he took to make himself a viable candidate is also his chief weakness as a candidate. It’s the Romney Paradox, in this case the counterintuitive outcome of two very successful careers that ought to help reinforce each other, but don’t.

As a rule, Americans don’t elect business leaders straight to the presidency no matter how successful they have been. We just don’t. We elect governors, we elect generals, we elect former vice presidents and very occasionally we elect senators. We didn’t elect billionaire Ross Perot, though he did help elect Bill Clinton. We didn’t even nominate Steve Forbes, though his economic conservatism probably made a lot of sense to most Republicans when he ran and he was certainly one of the more intellectually interesting candidates available at the time. We also don’t elect congressmen, which is one of the major reasons that Duncan Hunter’s effort never took off. He had all the right ideas but none of the resume.

The reliable routes to the presidency run through governor’s mansions and the upper echelons of the Pentagon. That’s the way it is and nothing is likely to change it, because we tend to see politics and business and entirely separate spheres, and our government’s best executives either run states or win wars. That’s not an unreasonable way to see the world, since government spends much of its time regulating business, but it does produce an inherent difficulty for business leaders to make the crossover from enterprise to politics. On the left, the inherent distrust of private enterprise crosses over into unreasonableness, whether it’s John Edwards’ faux and thankfully failed populism or bashing Hillary Clinton for serving on the Wal-Mart directors board. Of all the many things that could be held against the Clintons, Wal-Mart must be the least important by several orders of magnitude. But even on the right there’s distrust of business, among some social conservatives and border security hawks. And Maverick John McCain, at least if you take his “led for patriotism, not profit” line at face value.

What does this have to do with Mitt Romney? I’m getting to that.

It should be obvious to most Americans that some amount of business acumen would be helpful to have around the White House. After last night’s Democrat debate, it’s obvious that there’s no real business sense among their contenders. Business experience would help an administration understand the role of business success and economic freedom in America’s global influence. It’s clear that many politicians, especially on the left, spend their entire lives in government and do not understand business at all. See the clip linked above. They don’t seem to grasp that you can’t be a military superpower without strong economic fundamentals, at least not for very long, and you can’t keep your military at the cutting edge without robust R&D on the business side (government-backed or not), and you can’t spread freedom by prying open markets if you don’t have healthy markets of your own. But because we don’t elect business leaders directly to the White House, we seldom have strong business sense at the top of any ticket in either party. Good presidents bring that knowledge into the cabinet with them, bad presidents don’t. Some presidents get lucky and inheret a strong economy that they get to ride while they’re in office.

This year, we do have the chance to put a serious business leader with political experience in the White House, in Mitt Romney. He is one of America’s most successful businessmen. Having been a governor, he has also taken one of the most reliable routes to the White House. Having won as a Republican in deep blue Massachusetts, on paper Romney would seem to be a very very strong candidate for the presidency. Add some national security credentials and he’s the man to beat.

But he isn’t the man to beat right now, and therein lies the Romney Paradox, the reason many conservatives haven’t embraced him. He is a Mormon, which some unreasonably hold against him (we’re electing a president, not choosing a pastor, a difference that I wish many of my fellow evangelicals understood), but which also says that he is probably a natural and instinctive social conservative. Most Mormons are, if anything, on the right end of social conservatism. That also ought to endear him to the GOP base, but because he ran for the governorship in Massachusetts he had to tack far to the left of the party to become a viable candidate there. If he had run in, say, Tennessee or Texas, he would have run a very different race on a very different set of issues than he ran and won on in Massachusetts. That’s not a knock on him, so much as it’s a reflection of the different politics at play in different states. Romney didn’t live in Texas or Tennessee.

Because he ran far to the left of the party in Massachusetts, he has had to spend the last two years or so tacking back to the right to get back into the GOP mainstream. I happen to think that that’s where he started out (including, unfortunately, his iffy stance on the 2nd Amendment), which means two things. First, that his current conservative stances represent who he really is. Second, that he is indeed a flip-flopper, having flipped toward liberalism to win Massachusetts but now flopping back to the right to win elsewhere. Being a businessman before a politician, he probably didn’t foresee how much mistrust that all of this would create among the conservative base. He’s a pragmatic fixer, not an ideologue. That mistrust plus anti-Mormon animus among my fellow evangelicals explains both the rise of Huckabee and the stasis of Romney. Add in Fred’s gravitational pull to the Reaganite right and you have yet one more drag on Romney’s campaign. He has been stuck wearing a pair of cement shoes, one named Fred and one named Mike.

Romney’s win in Massachusetts is probably the single greatest bullet point for and against his candidacy in many conservatives’ minds. If Romney hadn’t won in Massachusetts and governed well, he would not be a viable presidential candidate. Period, full stop. It wouldn’t matter if he had saved ten Olympics. It wouldn’t matter if he had turned two dozen companies around from bankruptcy to profit. We elect governors and generals, not businessmen. Romney ran in Massachusetts because that’s where he lived, and he ran to the left because that’s what the state’s conditions demanded. He is, at least, not a carpetbagger.

But the Romney Paradox is a real and lingering problem: His victory in Massachusetts helped him cross over from business to government and made him a viable presidential candidate, but at a price that keeps conservatives from getting behind him and supporting him with full throat because many of us aren’t sure we can trust him. There’s no getting around that. It is what it is.

I’ve gotten past the Romney Paradox. I hope a majority of my fellow conservatives will do the same on Super Tuesday.


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Buy Danish on February 1, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Here for the comments.

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Did anyone bring up the Keating 5?

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 7:37 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEzi27trV-Q

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 7:38 PM

There are only two candidates who have one more than one state and he is one of them.

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 7:34 PM

I am supporting Mitt as well. I am just tired of people turning this into a theocratic chat room. I just don’t think it should be an issue. I would bet most of us can’t even name all of the people in Congress of a similar faith. Why? Because it does not and should not matter.

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM

There are only two candidates who have one more than one state and he is one of them.

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Zzzz.. for the Good of the Party, and for the good of his political future he should drop out sooner rather than later.

The sooner that the Party starts to coalesce around one candidate the better.

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM

McCain was 20% of the Keating 5.

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 7:44 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 7:41 PM

I agree. McCain should drop out for the good of the party so we can rally around Mitt.

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Maybe Chakra Hammer will sign up on Bill Keller’s website so he can vent some more.

Buy Danish on February 1, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Nice Jedi mind trick!

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM

I am supporting Mitt as well. I am just tired of people turning this into a theocratic chat room. I just don’t think it should be an issue. I would bet most of us can’t even name all of the people in Congress of a similar faith. Why? Because it does not and should not matter.

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM

I’m totally with you. It tends to be brought up by people like Right2Bright and Chackra Whatsit.

P.S. Any relation to VDH?

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Did anyone bring up the Keating 5?

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Heh.

Buy Danish on February 1, 2008 at 7:47 PM

The sooner that the Party starts to coalesce around one candidate the better.

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 7:41 PM

The sooner McCain admits that he is a compulsive liar about immigration, tax cuts, not knowing the positions of his advisors, and other people’s records, the better.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Maybe Chakra Hammer will sign up on Bill Keller’s website so he can vent some more.

Buy Danish on February 1, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Oh, I posted the above before I saw this from you. I suppose great minds really do think alike.

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 7:48 PM

After a very good discussion with my husband he has won me over to voting for Ronmey even though I want Huckabee. The poll numbers seem to indicate Huck isn’t going to win and if we don’t knock McCain out now we’re stuck with him. So with heavy heart I will vote for Romney.

CCRWM on February 1, 2008 at 7:49 PM

Spolitics, my apologies, I misunderstood your comment and agree with your follow up.

Pal2Pal on February 1, 2008 at 7:49 PM

Amen, Bryan. I’m in. I’ve been in since the beginning and I will do everything I can to get him elected.
Thanks for a very well-written post.

PoliticallyIncorrectSandy on February 1, 2008 at 7:49 PM

It’s irrational for the party leaders to promote someone who will legalize the illegals and let them import their relatives, thus making the party forever obsolete. They are only thinking about how to respond to their open-border masters in the next election cycle, not any further.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 7:50 PM

CCRWM on February 1, 2008 at 7:49 PM

Chakra, please take this post to heart.

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Chakra, please take this post to heart.

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Chakra has no heart.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 7:52 PM

I dared to dream.

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 7:53 PM

While I have no idea the truth of these rumors, truth doesn’t matter to the Clintons, so if you want to know what will be facing McCain, should he get the nomination, look at this post. It isn’t pretty.

Pal2Pal on February 1, 2008 at 7:53 PM

I agree. McCain should drop out for the good of the party so we can rally around Mitt.

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Who is the “we” even if that could be all of US here, that is NOT enough to WIN..

Mitt does NOT have have support of the center or and even some dem votes.

IF you want to win, and not just prop up a candidate, but win then get 83%.. well..

Even WITH Mitt, you will NOT get 100% of anything..

Use some critical thinking, stop the slash and burn, all or nothing.

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Pal2Pal on February 1, 2008 at 7:49 PM

No worries.

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM

I dared to dream.

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 7:53 PM

In this election cycle that’s reserved for Obama.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM

I am looking forward to Mitt helping Mac end this strife in our party after Super Tuesday onfirms that McCain is our candidate.

JayHaw Phrenzie on February 1, 2008 at 7:55 PM

I am looking forward to Mitt helping Mac end this strife in our party after Super Tuesday onfirms that McCain is our candidate.

JayHaw Phrenzie on February 1, 2008 at 7:55 PM

And I’m looking forward to having Mitt convince Huck to become his VP and defeating McCain.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Is this the same Chakra who said Rudy told you to vote for McCain? Now that is critical thinking.

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM

What the huh? Are predicting McCain will get 83% of the vote in a general election?

I can’t tell if you’re referring to the primary or the general, but I reject the premise that McCain will match up well in the general. Those polls are based on name recognition. Once people seem him contrasted directly with Clinton or Obama and hear him answer every question with how he was for the surge, his support will drop.

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 7:58 PM

I can’t tell if you’re referring to the primary or the general, but I reject the premise that McCain will match up well in the general. Those polls are based on name recognition. Once people seem him contrasted directly with Clinton or Obama and hear him answer every question with how he was for the surge, his support will drop.

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 7:58 PM

McCain is deteriorating fast. Recently he called Putin the President of Germany. He is starting to look like death warmed over.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Mitt does NOT have have support of the center or and even some dem votes.

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM

I’d rather lose with Romney than win with McCain.
Why choose a candidate on electability if you’ll regret his presidency once he’s elected?

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:02 PM

People and press are overlooking the huge Romney win in my state of Michigan and why he won.

Hopelessly liberal Michigan has been in recession for years. Unionized, organized, knee jerk anti-business liberal

Yet Romney won by a huge margin

Because this year unlike prior years Michigan democrats had to vote in a polling booth and had to choose one party only. The Michigan primary was moved up and there was still a war to establish Obama as a viable candidate. DEMs did not want to waste their vote on the GOP.

So for the first time, according to all exit polls, a huge majority of primary voters for the GOP candidate in Michigan were conservatives

In Florida, according to one exit poll, at least 20 percent of the McCain voters were Democrats/Indenpendents. Remove that 20 percent and Romney would have Florida. By the time of the Florida election Obama had momentum. There was no need to ‘prove’ Obama but much to be gained by making sure your opponent was McCain

Both parties love the present system because the fat cats can fabricate the ’sentiments’ of their so called supporters

I had already decided I would pull the lever to kill my nation, so McCain will never get my vote

The primaries do not represent public will, they represent private manipulation and fraud

There is still a chance for Romney. Otherwise I will accept there is no party representing conservatives in this presidential election and I will write in a conservative

entagor on February 1, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Use some critical thinking, stop the slash and burn, all or nothing.

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM

I think it’s fair to say that you of all people are in no position to criticize others for their critical thinking skills.

Buy Danish on February 1, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Is this the same Chakra who said Rudy told you to vote for McCain? Now that is critical thinking.

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 7:57 PM

By the way, how exactly did Rudy tell you this? Was it in a dream? Did he stop over to your house? Did you pass him on the street? Did he e-mail? Did he text? Did he IM?

How exactly? And when?

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 8:03 PM

I’d rather lose with Romney than win with McCain.

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:02 PM

Not that I think Romney would necessarily lose!
It’s a long time twixt now and November, with plenty of room for making one’s case.

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:03 PM

I’d rather lose with Romney than win with McCain.
Why choose a candidate on electability if you’ll regret his presidency once he’s elected?

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:02 PM

If you forgot we are AT WAR..

McCain beats Hillary and Obama in the polls..

Romney has never shown that he could beat either one of them.

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Romney has never shown that he could beat either one of them.

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Rudy once showed he could. Where’s Rudy?

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:05 PM

By the way, how exactly did Rudy tell you this? Was it in a dream? Did he stop over to your house? Did you pass him on the street? Did he e-mail? Did he text? Did he IM?

How exactly? And when?

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Rudy emailed me and told me to vote for McCain..

Didn’t you get the e-mail?

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:00 PM

And he didn’t help himself in the last debate when he mumbled and stumbled over every answer.

I fear what’s going to happen when people see him on stage with Clinton or Obama in a debate. It’s going to be Kennedy v. Nixon part duex.

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:04 PM

When did McCain show he could beat either of them? Was there a secret ballot no on told me about?

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Is this right; Romney wants the U.S. to provide freee health care to the developing world? Hezbollah style.

Romney: …”Did you notice in Lebanon, what Hezbollah did? Lebanon became a democracy some time ago and while their government was getting underway, Hezbollah went into southern Lebanon and provided health clinics to some of the people there, and schools. And they built their support there by having done so. That kind of diplomacy is something that would help America become stronger around the world and help people understand that our interest is an interest towards modernity and goodness and freedom for all people in the world. And so, I want to see America carry out that kind of health diplomacy…”

jaime on February 1, 2008 at 8:07 PM

When did McCain show he could beat either of them? Was there a secret ballot no one told me about?

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 8:06 PM

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 8:07 PM

Rudy emailed me and told me to vote for McCain..

Didn’t you get the e-mail?

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Yeah, Rudy the electoral genius has how many delegates to show for his ingenious strategy? His e-mail advice isn’t worth the paper used for that e-mail, which is also the worth of all the delegates he’s won.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Dear XXXXX,

Over the past year, as I traveled around the country, people from all walks of life welcomed me into their homes and communities with open arms. From house parties to parades to town halls and rallies, I have shared in some wonderful moments with you all and for that I am eternally grateful.

Thank you for sharing your concerns with me. Thank you for working with me to provide our children with a brighter and more prosperous future. Thank you for your support and trust and faith. And thank you for being a part of this wonderful journey.

A New York Republican named Teddy Roosevelt once said �aggressive fighting for the right is the noblest sport the world affords.� Like most Americans, I love competition. I don’t back down from a principled fight.

But there must always be a larger purpose.

Elections are about more than just a candidate. Elections are about fighting for a cause larger than ourselves. They are about identifying the great challenges of our time and proposing new solutions.� Most of all, they are about handing our nation to the next generation better than it was handed to us.

Although we were unsuccessful in our endeavor, the fight to strengthen America goes on. Our nation’s next President must understand and make a commitment to keep us on offense in the Terrorists’ War on Us. He must understand that stimulating our economy requires cutting taxes, because you make better decisions with your money than Washington bureaucrats. He must be committed to ending illegal immigration and securing our borders. And he must use free-market principles to make health care more affordable for all Americans.

I believe John McCain is that man. He is the right leader to move us forward, unite our party and transform Washington. I hope that you will join me in supporting him to be the next President of the United States.

As I look forward to the road ahead, I am optimistic because I believe America’s best days are still to come. Our country has a bright future, but we must work together to ensure that our shared prosperity creates new and better opportunities for us all.

Best Wishes,

Rudy Giuliani

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:08 PM

And he didn’t help himself in the last debate when he mumbled and stumbled over every answer.

I fear what’s going to happen when people see him on stage with Clinton or Obama in a debate. It’s going to be Kennedy v. Nixon part duex.

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Well it’s hard to know whether to fear it or just not care. If he deteriorates fast enough and Mitt stays in, that’s another angle for the convention.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:10 PM

If you forgot we are AT WAR..

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:04 PM

You don’t think Romney would prosecute the war?!!!

McCain beats Hillary and Obama in the polls..

Romney has never shown that he could beat either one of them.

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Read what I said above: “Why choose a candidate on electability if you’ll regret his presidency once he’s elected?”

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:06 PM

I did. Here’s the relevant excerpt for people who care:

…Although we were unsuccessful in our endeavor, the fight to strengthen America goes on. Our nation’s next President must understand and make a commitment to keep us on offense in the Terrorists’ War on Us. He must understand that stimulating our economy requires cutting taxes, because you make better decisions with your money than Washington bureaucrats. He must be committed to ending illegal immigration and securing our borders. And he must use free-market principles to make health care more affordable for all Americans.

I believe John McCain is that man. He is the right leader to move us forward, unite our party and transform Washington. I hope that you will join me in supporting him to be the next President of the United States…

When he lays out his reasons, it makes you wonder why he’s backing McCain. McCain railed against the free market for pharmacueticals and didn’t have much to say about healthcare. And on illegal immigration… well…I guess we have to trust that he “learned his lesson.”

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Elections are about fighting for a cause larger than ourselves.

Yes, legalizing the illegals is certainly a large cause and one that’s more important to McCain than even Iraq. I’m so proud of him for his dedication to the future destroyers of the Republican Party! Mighty big of this thoughtful man!

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:12 PM

There is only one way to win an election, boots on the ground. All the talk on blogs isn’t going to do it. You need to volunteer, donate, work the phone banks, get out and do door to door, volunteer as a surrogate speaker at events and GOP meetings, write letters to the editor. It can be done. We did it in Maryland for Bush 41, with dems dominating 11 to 1. Even the national campaign gave us no resources. We had to work 16-18 hour days and contact thousands and thousands of people one on one, but we brought the win home. There is nothing like an election night victory party where even the pundits are shocked to see the check mark next to your guy.

Pal2Pal on February 1, 2008 at 8:12 PM

jaime on February 1, 2008 at 8:07 PM

I doubt it. I think he is saying that we already send aid all over the world and maybe we can leverage that aid in a diplomatic way instead of getting nothing in return.

Obviously, he is not comparing us to Hezbollah, he is using them as an example of how an organization with a core of hate can leverage aid for their cause. He is suggesting we can do it better. He is suggesting we can do it in a different way than we currently do it.

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Well it’s hard to know whether to fear it or just not care.
Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Touche.

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM

jaime on February 1, 2008 at 8:07 PM

You don’t think we already try to win hearts and minds with humanitarian assistance? What’s wrong with that? And what’s wrong with beating Hezbollah at their own game?

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Teddy Roosevelt also said:

It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.”

Buy Danish on February 1, 2008 at 8:15 PM

Is this right; Romney wants the U.S. to provide freee health care to the developing world? Hezbollah style.

Romney: …”Did you notice in Lebanon, what Hezbollah did? Lebanon became a democracy some time ago and while their government was getting underway, Hezbollah went into southern Lebanon and provided health clinics to some of the people there, and schools. And they built their support there by having done so. That kind of diplomacy is something that would help America become stronger around the world and help people understand that our interest is an interest towards modernity and goodness and freedom for all people in the world. And so, I want to see America carry out that kind of health diplomacy…”

jaime on February 1, 2008 at 8:07 PM

i am 2 sheets to the wind almost 3 ;)
but this doesnt sound like a bad idea to me, go in and help people is what i thought we were about, what with being the greatest country on earth and all?

are you critisizing this statement by romney?

trailortrash on February 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM

You don’t think Romney would prosecute the war?!!

He can’t win..
Also, I question his judgment, I do not think that he could ever take a position that goes against public opinion even if that position is in the best interest of the United States.

George W. Bush, had make a principled stand over the war at a very high price against public opinion that could have even cost him an election, for the good of the country, I do not see that same resolve in Mitt Romney, I fear that he would sway with the political winds and do whatever is politically expedient.

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM

I do not see that same resolve in Mitt Romney, I fear that he would sway with the political winds and do whatever is politically expedient.

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM

McCain will do whatever Ted Kennedy will find politically expedient.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:18 PM

The fact is that Romney has not been able to get a sufficient number of voters to support him and even worse, he has an advantage compared to the rest because he has been able pour in over $40 million of his own money into the race. Without that money he would not even be around now. He is artificially in the race.

The problem with you Mitt fans is that you just can’t see that the man is more likely than not a loser when it comes to a national election and we may be lucky he will not get the nomination.

I have the same problems with McCain as you Mitt folks do but you need to put your loyalty to the nation above that to a presidential candidate, and McCain with all his faults is our best chance on keeping the Whitehouse away from Hillary or the super left-wing surrendercrat Obama.

What you folks are doing to McCain now with the “Juan” McCain stuff is not only racist but it is unfair and it will hurt our efforts in Fall. Frankly I am surprised that this site allowed the “Jaun” McCain stuff, it is disappointing

If a crazy ultra left winger like Obama were to be in the Whitehouse I am not sure this country could avoid a true world war because he would be so accomodating to the Islamists that they would quickly make more and more attacks against us until we had no choice but engage in the most terrible weapons in our arsenal and may have to impeach the president.

This is very, very serious business and while certainly should vigorously promote your candidate, you should not be using lies and racist and Clinton like tactics against McCain. Getting your way is not worth sacrificing the country to the ultra left wing and the Islamists

georgealbert on February 1, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Chakra, we need you on the Obama Girl thread.

CABE on February 1, 2008 at 8:19 PM

You don’t think we already try to win hearts and minds with humanitarian assistance? What’s wrong with that? And what’s wrong with beating Hezbollah at their own game?

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM

I guess by that logic we should be offering the illegals here more benefits, not fewer.

Isn’t Romney’s proposal sort of like feeding the bears (alligators). Don’t you think it would be better to pay for performance?

jaime on February 1, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM

If you are not careful you are going to make an arguement against your current frontrunning selection.

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 8:20 PM

He can’t win..
Also, I question his judgment, I do not think that he could ever take a position that goes against public opinion even if that position is in the best interest of the United States.

George W. Bush, had to make a principled stand over the war at a very high to price to himself, against public opinion that could have even cost him an election, for the good of the country, I do not see that same resolve in Mitt Romney, I fear that he would sway with the political winds and do whatever is politically expedient.

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:20 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM

You don’t think Mitt Romney has resolve? That is just a ludicrous conclusion that makes no sense at all if one looks at his biography.

Problems are opportunities for a guy like him.

Buy Danish on February 1, 2008 at 8:20 PM

He can’t win..
Also, I question his judgment, I do not think that he could ever take a position that goes against public opinion even if that position is in the best interest of the United States.

George W. Bush, had make a principled stand over the war at a very high price against public opinion that could have even cost him an election, for the good of the country, I do not see that same resolve in Mitt Romney, I fear that he would sway with the political winds and do whatever is politically expedient.

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM

So you think that McCain, who has “gotten the message” on immigration and changed his position to public outcry, would be more resolute than Romney? I’m really not feelin’ that, bro.

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:20 PM

georgealbert on February 1, 2008 at 8:19 PM

When Juan McCain comes to power he’ll make sure this site won’t be able to talk about “Juan McCain”.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:21 PM

are you critisizing this statement by romney?

trailortrash on February 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM

I was asking a question, and got a good answer from JDH. You can chime in. The more the merrier.

jaime on February 1, 2008 at 8:22 PM

He can’t win..

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM

What, the war or the election? If the war, read my last comment. If the election, read what I’ve already written twice, that you don’t want to elect a guy just because you can, who you’ll later be sorry you put in office.

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:22 PM

Chakra, we need you on the Obama Girl thread.

CABE on February 1, 2008 at 8:19 PM

CABE, you need a hug, however i’m not gay..

Maybe we can find you someone. :)

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:22 PM

I guess by that logic we should be offering the illegals here more benefits, not fewer.

Isn’t Romney’s proposal sort of like feeding the bears (alligators). Don’t you think it would be better to pay for performance?

jaime on February 1, 2008 at 8:19 PM

What else can we give them?

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 8:23 PM

When Juan McCain comes to power he’ll make sure this site won’t be able to talk about “Juan McCain”.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:21 PM

Yes, he’s shown already that he’s an enemy to free speech.

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:22 PM

Have any Romney supporting chick friends? I didn’t think so.

CABE on February 1, 2008 at 8:24 PM

What, the war or the election? If the war, read my last comment. If the election, read what I’ve already written twice, that you don’t want to elect a guy just because you can, who you’ll later be sorry you put in office.

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:22 PM

he cannot win the election..

IF he cannot even win the Republican Nomination(McCain is blowing him out of the water)

how the heck can he win the General?

LOL

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Have any Romney supporting chick friends? I didn’t think so.

CABE on February 1, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Actually my sister likes Romney(she listens to Hugh Hewitt’s propaganda) however, she’s married. :)

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Yes, he’s shown already that he’s an enemy to free speech.

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Yes, so while we can let’s remember that Juan “it’s not Amnesty” McCain and Juan “we don’t need to stinking borders” Hernandez will destroy the United States faster that the entire Shiite/Sunni Caliphate league.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Actually my sister likes Romney(she listens to Hugh Hewitt’s propaganda) however, she’s married. :)

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:26 PM

The good ones are always taken.

CABE on February 1, 2008 at 8:27 PM

What else can we give them?
JDH on February 1, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Like you said earlier, we could change the way we administer foreign aid. Pay for performance.

jaime on February 1, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:24 PM

You still haven’t answered for heaven’s sake! Why put McCain in office if he’ll be bad in office?

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Romney was convincing as someone who could actually get things done. But you’re right to point out that he hasn’t successfully branded himself. One of the lamest moves he made was to adopt Obama’s slogan and characterize his accomplishments as “change.” It undercut what was really his strong suit — effectivness.

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Sure, along with demonstrating that he can successfully get things done, he should’ve been more active in laying out specifics in what those things would be. Too often when talking about issues, he was far too vague for someone running on a technocrat platform- in effect that strategy requires being a policy wonk who shows that he not only recognizes the problem (like health care) but delivers a convincing solution that people can rally behind. Instead most were underwhelmed.

I get the sense that he was a victim of being overadvised- too many advisors, focus groups and opinion polls led him to try and please everyone all the time on every issue, focusing on whatever the polls said was the hotbutton issue of the day was. As someone without a lot of conservative street cred coming into the race, that isn’t the best way to gain trust.

Mitt Romney should’ve run as Mitt Romney- a straight arrow family man and intelligent, successful businessman who would come up with detailed solutions that could fix problems. Instead he ran as an outsider that campaigned exactly like an insider.

For me he really blew it and lost any potential for support with regards to spending; he could’ve run as a fiscal hawk who made a strong case that as in business, you have to invest wisely and not spend more than your revenues can justify. He instead talked about new ways to spend more money and supported past spending measures that a lot of fiscal conservatives criticised at the time. Then he went into full on pandering mode and that drove me up the freakin wall.

Hollowpoint on February 1, 2008 at 8:28 PM

When Juan McCain comes to power he’ll make sure this site won’t be able to talk about “Juan McCain”.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:21 PM

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Well, maybe your should read the Constitution. We have three equal part of the fed gov. It is called checks and balances and I for one believe in the US Constitutional republic and have complete faith in its people.

georgealbert on February 1, 2008 at 8:29 PM

You still haven’t answered for heaven’s sake! Why put McCain in office if he’ll be bad in office?

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Good luck! It will be along the lines of the polls say he can win so I will vote for him. Especially since the polls don’t say Rudy can win and he e-mailed me to vote for McCain. That is all the critical thinking you are going to get.

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 8:30 PM

IF he cannot even win the Republican Nomination(McCain is blowing him out of the water)

how the heck can he win the General?

LOL

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:24 PM

McCain is winning by getting momentum from New Hampshire, one of the least Republican states in the union where anyone can vote Republican. He won in Florida because of dirty tricks, Hispanics in Miami, open borders Mel, Crist the RNC puppet, and senile New York refugees convinced by Lieberman that McCain is the savior.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:30 PM

I’ve been a Mitt fan since 1994. I remember hoping then that he will take another stab at elected office because he’s well accomplished and has a lot to offer unlike the failed lawyers that we usually vote for. I’ve seen him grow from young political prospect to potential hall-of-famer. The long time Mittheads have a saying: “The more you see him, the more you’ll like him.” Glad to see that happening here. There’s a ton of primaries left and in the words of former Mass House Speaker Tommy Finneran, “underestimate Mitt Romney at your own peril.” Great post, Bryan!!

Greenhorn on February 1, 2008 at 8:31 PM

Well, maybe your should read the Constitution. We have three equal part of the fed gov. It is called checks and balances and I for one believe in the US Constitutional republic and have complete faith in its people.

georgealbert on February 1, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Oh, pardon me, I’ve always thought it was “chicks and valances”, my bad. That’s why we have McCain-Feingold in full operation, and used to have the Fairness Doctrine enforced?

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:32 PM

McCain is winning by getting momentum from New Hampshire, one of the least Republican states in the union where anyone can vote Republican. He won in Florida because of dirty tricks, Hispanics in Miami, open borders Mel, Crist the RNC puppet, and senile New York refugees convinced by Lieberman that McCain is the savior.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:30 PM

What about South Carolina?

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Ted Olson Endorses John McCain

“I have long admired John McCain for his courage, character, and integrity,” said Mr. Olson. “He is the candidate best prepared to lead as commander in chief from day one. John McCain has a deep-rooted conservative philosophy and I trust him to appoint strict constructionists, like Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia, Thomas and Alito, to judicial positions.”

John McCain thanked Mr. Olson for his support, stating, “Ted Olson is among our nation’s most distinguished experts on the rule of law. I am honored to have his support, and I look forward to his counsel and leadership on judicial issues.”

Ted Olson endorses John McCain

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:35 PM

Sure, along with demonstrating that he can successfully get things done, he should’ve been more active in laying out specifics in what those things would be. Too often when talking about issues, he was far too vague for someone running on a technocrat platform- in effect that strategy requires being a policy wonk who shows that he not only recognizes the problem (like health care) but delivers a convincing solution that people can rally behind. Instead most were underwhelmed.

Is health care a problem? I thought the problem was people by the millions don’t have health insurance? That is the problem and he came up with a solution for that with a liberal legislature.

The merits are up for debate. We do not have a health care problem. We have the best health care in the world.

P.S. Sorry to answer my own question.

JDH on February 1, 2008 at 8:36 PM

What about South Carolina?

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Veterans, anti-Mormons, New York/New Jersey transplants, with Huck and Fred sucking the socon oxygen out of the state. With Fred having his last stand the dynamics weren’t what they are today.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Rudy emailed me and told me to vote for McCain..

Didn’t you get the e-mail?

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:06 PM

That’s a good little lemming, do what Rudolpho tells you.

I wonder what he told his first and second wives to do.

BKennedy on February 1, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Oh, pardon me, I’ve always thought it was “chicks and valances”, my bad. That’s why we have McCain-Feingold in full operation, and used to have the Fairness Doctrine enforced?

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:32 PM

McCain-Feingold.. that is only helping Romney since he can spend an unlimited amount of his own money..

Fairness doctrine, why was mitt allowed to have prime-time network coverage to give his “religion speech”?

Why did the other candidates NOT get equal time?

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Oh, pardon me, I’ve always thought it was “chicks and valances”, my bad. That’s why we have McCain-Feingold in full operation, and used to have the Fairness Doctrine enforced?

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:32 PM

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Actually, part of McCain Feingold was has been weakened and it will be fully reversed, I think, within a few years if the rights cases come up.

georgealbert on February 1, 2008 at 8:38 PM

That’s a good little lemming, do what Rudolpho tells you.

I wonder what he told his first and second wives to do.

BKennedy on February 1, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Do what Hugh Hewitt, Sean Hannity Mark Levin and HA tell you to..

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:38 PM

“Ted Olson is among our nation’s most distinguished experts on the rule of law.

Hey, maybe he can ask Ted if it’s legal to cross the border without asking anyone first? And if it’s helpful for “the rule of law” to reward the lawbreakers with the Z visas?

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Hollowpoint on February 1, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Do you support McCain and is that why — because of Mitt’s spending proposals? I think that’s a fair argument in favor of McCain (that he wants to cut spending). But on most issues, McCain has little to nothing to say. He seems to be running a one-note campaign — “I pushed for the surge.”

If we can trust the polls (and I’m not sure we can) that will be a losing message in a general election.

Initially, I liked Rudy best because he was the one most forcefully arguing for limited government which is my #1 issue. Then Fred came along and I gravitated toward him for the same reason. When they stalled I gravitated toward Mitt. His spending proposals didn’t bother me because he wasn’t talking about new spending, but shifting how we spend. Mitt won me over when he defended big pharma in the debate against McCain’s populist attack. He showed me at that moment that he had integrity.

In my mind, McCain’s comments and his actions on immigration, GW, and CFR show him to be just as much the panderer… just to a different audience. And it’s an audience that doesn’t include me.

Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 8:39 PM

I just got another email informing me that the Romney has opened a campaign office a mile from my house. It also included all the other California locations, many. From what I can glean, a massive GOTV campaign is scheduled for tomorrow and Monday.

Pal2Pal on February 1, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Veterans, anti-Mormons, New York/New Jersey transplants, with Huck and Fred sucking the socon oxygen out of the state. With Fred having his last stand the dynamics weren’t what they are today.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Is Chakra Hammer from SC?

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:39 PM

IF McCain-Feingold was so bad why is it that Citizen United can run ads?

I have been watching them constantly..

I don’t see anyone’s “free speech” gone.

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:40 PM

McCain-Feingold.. that is only helping Romney since he can spend an unlimited amount of his own money..

Fairness doctrine, why was mitt allowed to have prime-time network coverage to give his “religion speech”?

Why did the other candidates NOT get equal time?

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:37 PM

It doesn’t matter who the legislation would help or hurt. It’s a serious infringement on free speech, damnit!

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:41 PM

McCain-Feingold.. that is only helping Romney since he can spend an unlimited amount of his own money..

Fairness doctrine, why was mitt allowed to have prime-time network coverage to give his “religion speech”?

Why did the other candidates NOT get equal time?

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:37 PM

I don’t know, I’m no defender of the networks. I’m only commented on the posters naive belief that the freedom of speech will be protected with check and balances.

Igor R. on February 1, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Is Chakra Hammer from SC?

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Nope, I will be voting Feb. 5th

Chakra Hammer on February 1, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Actually, part of McCain Feingold was has been weakened and it will be fully reversed, I think, within a few years if the right cases come up.

georgealbert on February 1, 2008 at 8:38 PM

In other words, McCain-Feingold will not be overturned by McCain or Feingold.

Tzetzes on February 1, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Do you support McCain and is that why — because of Mitt’s spending proposals?
Spolitics on February 1, 2008 at 8:39 PM

I don’t support anybody. My disgust with the Republican party has pushed me into being somewhat of a purist; I was for Fred, but he blew it. Now I just don’t care who wins.

Hollowpoint on February 1, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Tammy Bruce endorses Romney!

Former Rudy girl sees the light :)

ashleymatt on February 1, 2008 at 8:42 PM

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