Open thread: Nuclear war in California
posted at 7:30 pm on January 31, 2008 by Allahpundit
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8 p.m. ET on CNN, one on one at last. The conventional wisdom has it that this is the Messiah’s chance to take her down a peg before Super Tuesday but I think it’s just as much her chance to prove she can stand toe to toe with him on the same stage. There are no significant policy differences to be hashed out here, only health-care arcania and withdrawal nuance. Which means it’s a matter of style, which in turn makes her the underdog.
This freaky little tidbit makes me think she’s about to play the gender card again, so look for some faux hurt feelings about the SOTU snub. It would be awesomely awesome if Obama hit her over the latest BJ revelations, but he’s probably wary enough about Rezko that he doesn’t want to get in the mud. What are they going to talk about for two hours? Hillary’s scummy Florida politicking? Batten down the hatches for the most excruciatingly substance-less — yet possibly vicious — debate yet!
Sound off below. Video to come, if there’s something worth clipping.
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Packy-Stohn?
malkinmania on January 31, 2008 at 9:21 PM
No surrender. That is the best that can be said about McCain.
I have a feeling that watching these two turtledoves out lib each other will bolster McCains status in the party.
How many of us are really willing to risk ending up with one of them in the White House just to express our disinterest and disgust with Sen. McCain?
Ugh!
The Race Card on January 31, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Telling the Iragys a deadline,HELLO you telling the
islamofashists when your leaving!
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 9:21 PM
How do you pull out and then provide all the stuff that Obama wants us to do in Iraq?
bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Obama: I want to control your minds. Always surrender! DEFEAT!
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Dangerous. Very Dangerous. I can’t believe the naivete.
JDH on January 31, 2008 at 9:22 PM
I take back everything I’ve ever said about any republican candidate ( execpt Ron Paul). I need to go to the polls in Nov and pull red. These two will literally doom our way of life.
VolMagic on January 31, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Hillary: I loves my race-baiting trolls.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:23 PM
HRC: “We’re having a wonderful time.”
Sounds like Garth when he finds himself alone on the Wayne’s World set for the first time.
“I’m… having… a good time…”
flip on January 31, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Are we supposed to be impressed by some lame-ass hollywood dorks in the audience?
kooly on January 31, 2008 at 9:23 PM
“End the mindset“.
And thus Barack will get nuked. Huge mistake on his part.
Baphomet on January 31, 2008 at 9:23 PM
I wouldn’t want either one of these two running my county.
carbon_footprint on January 31, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Believe it
bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:23 PM
I don’t like McCain, but him saying we might have troops there for 100 years DOES NOT show a lack of understanding by HIM, Barry, it shows a lack of understanding by you, you f-ing moron… Look at all the places we have troops around the world that have been their since previous conflicts… Oh, that’s right, you’re talking to a Democrat audience, which means they’re all retarded and/or dishonest, so you can get away with that sh**.
By the way, more proof of what I always say (that if you’re a Dem you’re either stupid or a a huge liar)… These people are cheering the most cliche statements and idiotic turns of phrases “I hope we can get out as carefully, as we were careless going in”. Earlier he said something about the “wheels” coming off the straight talk express… It was retarded (especially since he should have said “the straight talk express ran off the tracks” if it was to actually be clever), but the crowd went nuts. This entire debate they’ve hooted and hollered over the stupidest little lines that appeal to the most retarded.
RightWinged on January 31, 2008 at 9:24 PM
This is just blowing my mind. They can’t be this dumb. It’s just not possible.
askheaves on January 31, 2008 at 9:24 PM
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:24 PM
@ canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Whats the difference. Its not like if we leave secretly, they wont notice and be fully informed of it within 24 hours. Not having a benchmark for withdrawal is basically demanding we stay there forever.
muyoso on January 31, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Fisher Stevens? please
kooly on January 31, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Hillary: We don’t need no stinkin’ Iraqi allies. HANG ‘EM HIGH!
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:25 PM
The middle east and Liberals are going to hand it on a silver platter to Iran!
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 9:25 PM
“I Hope” vs. Setting a Date [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
When talking about Iraq, you see who’s somewhat serious and who is inexperienced and naive.
And then you realize there’s a real difference between the two of them and the two Republicans. And that’s no small thing.
bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Gawd forbid these two clowns mention any of the recent gains we’ve had in Iraq (i.e. the surge).
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Up until know the Iraqis thought this was a great big joke. We must tell them to get serious. Also, let’s tell their neighbors that it could be dangerous for them when we leave. Really?
JDH on January 31, 2008 at 9:25 PM
We have to remember their audience (Diane Keaton, Ron Reiner and other liberal loyals). They are saying what these folks wan to hear. Just like McVain will say whatever (or as close as he can bring himself) to say what conservatives want to hear, for now. Come general election, Mc Vain will sound more like his ol’ “give the base the finger” self, and whoever the Dem is will come closer to the center. No need getting upset about this garbage now (these folks are paid to say what they think the audience in front of them wants to hear).
TOPV on January 31, 2008 at 9:25 PM
muyoso on January 31, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Morale dude… morale.
Both our’s and their’s.
VolMagic on January 31, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Hillary: triangulation sequence activated.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Bombshell…Coulter to CAMPAIGN for Hillary if McCain is the nominee…lmao. She’s so right.
SouthernGent on January 31, 2008 at 9:27 PM
pure hyperbole
bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Hillary: removing all troops and all American influence isn’t surrendering, it’s just acting in America’s interests.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Liar! Liar! She never said that. Her husband made regime change in Iraq policy. She knows no bounds.
JDH on January 31, 2008 at 9:28 PM
@ VolMagic on January 31, 2008 at 9:26 PM
I think morale would be boosted if the troops knew they would be coming home to see their families instead of sent on several tours of duty. We have even sent injured troops back into the field. I am fairly damn sure they would like to know when they are coming home.
muyoso on January 31, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Hillary/Obama “We have not yet begun to surrender !
We shall surrender on the beaches, we shall surrender in the streets, we shall surrender in the air…”
William Amos on January 31, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Mother hugger.
flip on January 31, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Blitzer just described the sucess of the surge as “some stability in some ares of turmoil.” GTFO
What a weasel.
VolMagic on January 31, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Obama: unilateral retreat is victory!
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Muyoso:It’s up to the US Military to make that decision,
everybody can debate this till the cows come,If
Iran has to wait 100 or 1000 years they will!
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 9:29 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
BOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
BOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
EVIL EMPIRES!!! SITH LORD KARL ROVE!!!!
HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
LordMaximus on January 31, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Bash Bush and the Republicans, that’s what. While the Dems are busy trying to fire up their base, Republicans are ripping each other apart.
OT (sort of): Ann Coulter just said on H&C that she’d vote for Hillary if McCain were our nominee.
CliffHanger on January 31, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Over 80 percent of the pro-life, pro-family slate delegates to the Louisiana state convention have now committed to McCain.
bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:30 PM
From Ann…no way! Heh. But her point is valid. McCain is slime.
SouthernGent on January 31, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Her head nodding while he speaks marginalizes everything he says (i.e. He’s not giving you anything that I didn’t alerady think of)
kooly on January 31, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Obama: they messed up execution by not retreating like I would have.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:31 PM
If its up to the military, they will never come home. Its not up to the military. The military should decide how to fight, not when to fight.
muyoso on January 31, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Get a load of the audience. Am I watching the Dem debate or a Hollywood awards show?
silenced majority on January 31, 2008 at 9:31 PM
nonsense, if you want to see slime, turn on CNN and watch these two.
bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:31 PM
She is just trying to fire up Romney supporters.
JDH on January 31, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Delegates are paid operatives..who cares who they commit to. Unlike libs we don’t care about stinking endorsements ;-)
TOPV on January 31, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Hillary: *triangulation alert.*
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Muyoso,you must realize how dangerous it is to be talking about pulling out,just look at what happened on the fall
of South Vietnam as an example!
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Bobblehead Hillary
LickyLicky on January 31, 2008 at 9:32 PM
lol. Due diligence aside from reading the intelligence report, Hillary?
Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Ha! She favors “coercive diplomacy”!
I love it.
askheaves on January 31, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Hillary: Afghanistan good, Iraq bad.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Get Out Quick, Before We Win [Michael Graham]
Do these two U.S. senators have any idea what’s actually happening in Iraq? They should listen to my conversation with Maj. General Rick Lynch from Baghdad this morning. He talked about what’s happening in Iraq today.
bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:34 PM
That’s how she dealt with Bill’s, um, ‘friends’.
Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 9:34 PM
/Hill sings
Just the two of us
we can ruin it if we try
just the two of us
Bill and I
(after bambi disappears)
LickyLicky on January 31, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Did we leave Afghanistan and nobody told me?
JDH on January 31, 2008 at 9:34 PM
LordMaximus on January 31, 2008 at 9:34 PM
So Hillary, these “terrorists,” they wouldn’t be of a particular age, gender, and religion, are they? Perhaps they are all in Afghanistan.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Boooosh!!!!!! what an evil mannnnnnnnnnnn!
carbon_footprint on January 31, 2008 at 9:35 PM
LOL
TOPV on January 31, 2008 at 9:35 PM
muyoso on January 31, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Agreed.
But I have to ask. What would have happened when, at the time of greatest dischord in Iraq, the U.S. gov. broadcast it’s intent to retreat, with specific dates? How would the soldiers in Iraq have felt? How would they feel as they stayed in Iraq until their time to be pulled out came?
How would the enemy have reacted?
I understand the Derbyshire argument here. I just think that if we’re gonna ask our soldiers to do something, we should never make it easier for the enemy in any way shape or form.
VolMagic on January 31, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Body Armor.lol
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 9:35 PM
BUSH!
DRINK!!
LickyLicky on January 31, 2008 at 9:35 PM
You didn’t fund the body armor, Hill. Why don’t you STFU?
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Hillary and Obama…
Is there any doubt listening to this debate that these two rookies will do serious, and in some ways irreversible harm to our national security interests?
CliffHanger on January 31, 2008 at 9:36 PM
George Bush has kept her fat ass safe for seven years.
carbon_footprint on January 31, 2008 at 9:36 PM
“Boo Wolf”
lol how funny
CABE on January 31, 2008 at 9:36 PM
How can Wolf cut through all the rhetoric and figure out what she said? He has the hardest job in the business tonight.
JDH on January 31, 2008 at 9:36 PM
HA! Hillary is making the case for invasion!
VolMagic on January 31, 2008 at 9:36 PM
“WE!!!!!!!!”
askheaves on January 31, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Gah. Another ‘depends on the definition of is’ moments.
LickyLicky on January 31, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Obama: It’s important to be right on Day 1, even if it isn’t POSSIBLE to do so.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:38 PM
The “O” man missed his chance tonight IMHO
carbon_footprint on January 31, 2008 at 9:38 PM
They pinky and the brain, Pinky and the brain. One is a genius and the other insane……
William Amos on January 31, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Interesting what issues these donk debates concentrate on versus the GOP.
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Ohh, “character”…Hillary has no experience with that.
carbon_footprint on January 31, 2008 at 9:38 PM
He’s got an answer to that Day One business! Nice, I don’t know he’s been saying that and I missed it, but that’s a clever answer.
Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Irag,use of force,right from the start,Hillary
voted for it,Slam ouch.haha
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Hilly and the Lamb, Hilly and the lamb.
One is an *sshole and the other… wait, nevermind
LickyLicky on January 31, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Super Tuesday Polling Charts
bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Wow, look at us commenters. We’re all listening to Obama and Hillary and coming together against our common enemy.
I hope we can do this when it really counts in November.
CliffHanger on January 31, 2008 at 9:40 PM
This finally is getting interesting…dang after they bored us for over an hour.
TOPV on January 31, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Did she just basically say that she was right to vote to authorize but Bush was wrong to act on the authorization?
kooly on January 31, 2008 at 9:41 PM
That’s exactly what she said, Kooly. It’s Semantics 101.
LickyLicky on January 31, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Do we have a new candidate besides Maverick? If not, doubtful.
TOPV on January 31, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Why are they both so hard-pressed on placating the extreme left with their Iraq responses?
They’re certainly winning over any moderates & independents with these Blame Bush answers.
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Pinky and the Brain!
Willaim Amos on January 31,2008 at9:38PM.
William Amos: Brilliant,Pinky(with a Communist touch)haha
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 9:42 PM
OMG…..this Hollywood question is freakin’ retarded
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Yes. Hillary Bobblehead. LOL!
CliffHanger on January 31, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Correction: certainly NOT winning over…
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 9:44 PM
I was doing homework during the debate, were there any good zingers or did we learn anything new about the candidates?
Weebork on January 31, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Bobblehead is as distracting and offputting as McCain’s smirk in last night’s debate.
CliffHanger on January 31, 2008 at 9:45 PM
You think they are winning over moderates and independents or they are NOT winning them over?
JDH on January 31, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Violence in Movies,here comes the”Children Card”!
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 9:45 PM
CACKLE!! MY EARS!!
CliffHanger on January 31, 2008 at 9:45 PM
WOW! THE CACKLE OF ALL CACKLES!!!
RightWinged on January 31, 2008 at 9:45 PM
there goes that damn cackle
bojack on January 31, 2008 at 9:45 PM
CACKLE!!!
*drink*
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 9:45 PM
The Cackle!
flyboy777 on January 31, 2008 at 9:45 PM
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