Open thread: Nuclear war in California
posted at 7:30 pm on January 31, 2008 by Allahpundit
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8 p.m. ET on CNN, one on one at last. The conventional wisdom has it that this is the Messiah’s chance to take her down a peg before Super Tuesday but I think it’s just as much her chance to prove she can stand toe to toe with him on the same stage. There are no significant policy differences to be hashed out here, only health-care arcania and withdrawal nuance. Which means it’s a matter of style, which in turn makes her the underdog.
This freaky little tidbit makes me think she’s about to play the gender card again, so look for some faux hurt feelings about the SOTU snub. It would be awesomely awesome if Obama hit her over the latest BJ revelations, but he’s probably wary enough about Rezko that he doesn’t want to get in the mud. What are they going to talk about for two hours? Hillary’s scummy Florida politicking? Batten down the hatches for the most excruciatingly substance-less — yet possibly vicious — debate yet!
Sound off below. Video to come, if there’s something worth clipping.
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Small business groups are the way to go with health insurance. You get a huge group together and the prices fall dramatically.
lsutiger on January 31, 2008 at 8:27 PM
ooooooooooooooooooooooooTed Kennedy name was mentioned,
thats a stake and garlic for Hillary!
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Thank goodness R&D on new drugs is nearly free.
askheaves on January 31, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Regulation, Mandate. More Government.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:28 PM
My thoughts are lets hang McCain out to dry and give the election to the Dems, but fight for the congressional races.
Win the Mid term Elections and get a REAL player in 2012
tshell on January 31, 2008 at 8:29 PM
All those kids get HI because you stole money from the rest dummy….. Taking from selected Peter to pay for collective Paul. or some such
VolMagic on January 31, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Tsars and comrades don’t mix, brutha.
SouthernDem on January 31, 2008 at 8:29 PM
translation=Hillary is going to ram it down everybodys throat!
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Uh no Hillary, the biggest breathroughs are done through private enterprise.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Do those idiots in the audience really expect to get universal health care without paying thru the nose?
malkinmania on January 31, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Is that mayonnaise on the corners of her lips?
eucher on January 31, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Evil Big Pharma.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:30 PM
If either one of these two win in November, we are going to be taxed to death and parented by the government for years to come. Gay marriage will be passed into law; health care for illegal immigrants will be instilled; gas will go up to $5 per gallon and utilities will be sky-high due to carbon taxes; we will be out of Iraq so fast that that country will go the way of Vietnam (and it will be blamed on Bush, of course). We will never hear the terms “radical Islam” et.al, and will be lulled into a dangerous slumber on the WOT. This could really happen.
carbon_footprint on January 31, 2008 at 8:30 PM
chrimeny… are they going to talk about ANYTHING else ?
cannonball on January 31, 2008 at 8:30 PM
The audience doesn’t know when to clap.
CABE on January 31, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Every single “plan” I hear coming out of their mouths involves money coming out of my pocket.
STG Democrats never met a tax they didn’t like.
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Hillary “tell health insurance companies you must cover everyone and cover every pre-existing condition”
What’s next? Cell phone companies must offer service contracts to everyone regardless of credit score? Auto loans must be given to everyone regardless of credit score?
Where in the constitution does it give the government that kind of power?
MrSteve on January 31, 2008 at 8:30 PM
didn’t the drug companies do the R&D, costing billions of dollars, to produce these drugs?
What are they supposed to do? Give it away for free?
Hillary’s solution: Less doctors, less care
lsutiger on January 31, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Oh, and the most important casualty will be two to three SCOTUS judges chosen by these socialists.
carbon_footprint on January 31, 2008 at 8:31 PM
It’s cottonmouth.
SouthernDem on January 31, 2008 at 8:31 PM
I might be oversimplifying things here, but wouldn’t healthcare costs go down if people took better care of themselves and stopped visiting the doctor because they got the sniffles?
bojack on January 31, 2008 at 8:31 PM
what an a–hole question
VolMagic on January 31, 2008 at 8:31 PM
I don’t know why they believe you can bully businesses around and they’ll just take it.
How much do they really need to exist in America vs India or China?
askheaves on January 31, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Touche on the tax & spend comeback, Obama.
The GOP has certainly failed us on that one.
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Obama attacks McCain.
McCain v. Obama = toast.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Billions,who cares!,We’ll find out later Hillary
raided the Iragy oil reserves,hahahaha.
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 8:32 PM
I repeat..I have never got a job from a poor guy!
lsutiger on January 31, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Class Warfare Alert.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Go to England is u want free healthcare. But beware… they will soon be telling u how to live if u want that free health care.
VolMagic on January 31, 2008 at 8:33 PM
IF BUFFETT CAN PAY MORE, WHY THE HECK DOESN’T HE?!
Vizzini on January 31, 2008 at 8:33 PM
On health care: Did you know that an MD who donates his services to care for an indigent patient gets to write off precisely nothing?
Bugler on January 31, 2008 at 8:34 PM
GEORGE!!!
VolMagic on January 31, 2008 at 8:34 PM
I quess illegal aliens getting the Bush cheques
still isn’t enough!
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Ask hillary about her defending Walmart versus the Unions.
malkinmania on January 31, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Hillary: $250,000+ Income = You’re a target.
Small Business Owners, you just got f***ed.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Dear Obama & Hillary,
Tax cuts for corporations = jobs
Tax cuts for po folk = new Air Jordans
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Mr. Obama, you forget something about the economy. If you take money out of the hands of job creators, they cut back on hiring, and even may have to cut back on the workforce to make the books balance.
The reason that Murdock’s tax rate was less then his employee was because he takes all of his income from dividends from his investments.
DRINK!(Bush administration)
lsutiger on January 31, 2008 at 8:35 PM
110 Billion annually. That’s quite a pocket of change. Nice shot at the straight talk express btw.
Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Yes. I have had a long debate with a friend from New Zealand. I don’t care how you frame it to him, his healthcare is free.
Sue on January 31, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Bi-Partinsan,working with the otherside,Hillary is
full of—-!
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Lets hope they start with the Tax hikes… there is no way they will politically survive long enough to pass anything.
tshell on January 31, 2008 at 8:36 PM
I’m screwed! More tax. More tax.
She is out of her mind. Anytime someone says the US is not the best at something I want to strangle them.
JDH on January 31, 2008 at 8:36 PM
We live. Some of us get sick. We all die.
Any questions?
lsutiger on January 31, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Dear Obama & Hillary,
End free healthcare for illegals.
Problem solved.
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Obama: Government has Moral Obligation to tax the hell out of you for inferior care.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Correct me if I’m wrong… but did Hillary! just repeat verbatim what Obamamana just said regarding how they’d pay for their healthcare program?
MrSteve on January 31, 2008 at 8:37 PM
I have a moral obligation to pay for a jacka** who refuses to work.
tshell on January 31, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Ugh, she’s so evil.
RightWinged on January 31, 2008 at 8:38 PM
No, no, no…..you mean greedy job creators.
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Immigration,this should be a great sideshow!
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Immigration hurt Blacks…. Dems respond…. finally
VolMagic on January 31, 2008 at 8:39 PM
I notice they avoided the word illegal.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:39 PM
I heard somebody clap when she said, “we’re going back to the tax rates of before George Bush became president.”
I think it was a reflex.
askheaves on January 31, 2008 at 8:39 PM
I made 14% more this year. My taxes went up 35% from the previous years. With more deductions, my refund is more than 50% less.
So if I am one of those rich ppl, how am I getting favored under Bush?
And, just as a footnpte, I am FAR from rich!
lsutiger on January 31, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Hillary just farted
VolMagic on January 31, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Hello…..good question.
Ilegal immigration probably hurts blacks the most.
Of course, Obama is dancing around this one.
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 8:40 PM
How the heck does the economic question on immigration not come up in the R debates?!
Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 8:40 PM
“Declining wages in the African American community”? Is that even accurate? Last I knew their incomes had become increasingly equal.
RightWinged on January 31, 2008 at 8:40 PM
They’re just “immigrants”
mred on January 31, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Obama pulls the old “swap immigrant for illegal immigrant” routine. Weak.
Dash on January 31, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Is it me or is Hillary still feeling the sting of Snubgate!
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 8:40 PM
You are however, greedy!
Men and Women richer than you (They’re running for Dem nominee) have decided you are not paying your fair share.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Come to a construction site odumbo and tell me illegals don’t have a negative effect. I back charge like a dog to fix my work when the illegal nail banger screws it up.
Mojack420 on January 31, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Break Law.. Pay Fine.. IM IN!
That is WAY easier than the Legal route.
tshell on January 31, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Heh. Democrat response to illegal immigration = unionize.
Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Scapegoating……okay.
Ignore the real concerns of your constituency.
Good answer, Senator.
/sarcasm/
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Barry: close the border it raises wages for everyone.
mred on January 31, 2008 at 8:42 PM
It’s been proven that, not only have tax receipts grown under LOWER taxes, but the share that the “rich” pay is actually now even larger (under Bush)!
There’s more out there that I’ve read before, but a quick search gave me this:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/12/18/rich-pay-more-taxes-bush-elected-contrary-media-meme
RightWinged on January 31, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Hillary: Amnesty = Answer.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:43 PM
“people here without documentation” = illegal immigrants
carbon_footprint on January 31, 2008 at 8:43 PM
They don’t want to upset the straight talk express
Mojack420 on January 31, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Hillary: Cut in line, we don’t care.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:44 PM
McCain- Kennedy from Billary!!
mred on January 31, 2008 at 8:44 PM
will the fine be paid in pesos?
carbon_footprint on January 31, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Whose is stronger on immigration, McCain or Hillary?
Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Hehe,shes babbling,tick.tick.tick the snub is counting down!
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 8:44 PM
YoooHoo!!…..
Come out, come out, wherever you are, ShadowPeople(TM)!!!!
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Probably right.
Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Tax cuts tht went u[ instead of down? I wonder if Obama ever heard the story of the group of men eating lunch every day. 10 guys go to lunch. It costs $200 total. 5 guys pay $100, $50, $30, $15, and $5 respectively. A reduction in the cost of lunch from $200 to $150 means they each pay less, respectivley. Then the 5 guys who dont pay anything complain that the guys who do pay end up paying less.
This is America, and Dems hates it when honest, hard-working americans get a break from the tax burden. It is so gross and sick.
VolMagic on January 31, 2008 at 8:45 PM
So, there is no single candidate committed to controlling illegal immigration…
Meanwhile, 90% of my software team is still spending tens of thousands of dollars on lawyers and weeks of work trying just to get a greencard (or maintain their H1B).
askheaves on January 31, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Ted Kennedy *drink*
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Isn’t using fake or fraudulent ss numbers a crime???
Mojack420 on January 31, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Um…didn’t illegals sneek over here because they didn’t want to go through the normal path to citizenship? Why the heck would they come out of the shadows to go to the back of the line?
bojack on January 31, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Oof. “I worked with Ted Kennedy, Dick Durban and John McCain. ” lol.
Dash on January 31, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Someone ATTACK the other…what is this?
Obama is getting killed b/c he is not exposing her…Wal-Mart, Jesse Jackson, Billy JEff Slowing Down the economy. Canadian uranium magnates….GIVE US SOMETHING!!!
LordMaximus on January 31, 2008 at 8:46 PM
LOL……..
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Mitt has his next commercials straight out of Obama’s mouth.
Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 8:47 PM
carbon_footprint on January 31, 2008 at 8:47 PM
I think Obama is trying to draw out angry Hill rather than deliver the first blow.
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:47 PM
YES! Make us more bankrupt by allowing more ppl into our system that do not belong here. They already are bankrupting small cities with free health care.
Yay! Great!
lsutiger on January 31, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Brilliant. I hope this debate goes all night.
askheaves on January 31, 2008 at 8:48 PM
What’s up with Obama’s in & out southern accent?
Illegals in this cun-tray???…….LOL
The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 8:48 PM
missing in action,hehehe
canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 8:48 PM
I was worse than him before he was worse!
lsutiger on January 31, 2008 at 8:48 PM
WTF… what is “registering them (illegals)”? What/who are they being “registered” with?
RightWinged on January 31, 2008 at 8:48 PM
OMG! Watch out for the lightning bolt!
lsutiger on January 31, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Hillary: not helping illegals subvert the rule of law is meanspirited!
BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Obama Hussein is finally digging his grave, he refuses to challenge Billary, which is exactly what the Clintons have been waiting for. He;s falling for the bait of teaming up against the evil Republicans. She just disarmed him.
malkinmania on January 31, 2008 at 8:49 PM
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