Open thread: Nuclear war in California

posted at 7:30 pm on January 31, 2008 by Allahpundit

8 p.m. ET on CNN, one on one at last. The conventional wisdom has it that this is the Messiah’s chance to take her down a peg before Super Tuesday but I think it’s just as much her chance to prove she can stand toe to toe with him on the same stage. There are no significant policy differences to be hashed out here, only health-care arcania and withdrawal nuance. Which means it’s a matter of style, which in turn makes her the underdog.

This freaky little tidbit makes me think she’s about to play the gender card again, so look for some faux hurt feelings about the SOTU snub. It would be awesomely awesome if Obama hit her over the latest BJ revelations, but he’s probably wary enough about Rezko that he doesn’t want to get in the mud. What are they going to talk about for two hours? Hillary’s scummy Florida politicking? Batten down the hatches for the most excruciatingly substance-less — yet possibly vicious — debate yet!

Sound off below. Video to come, if there’s something worth clipping.


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GAAAAH!!! Clinton Cackle!

doubleplusundead on January 31, 2008 at 9:45 PM

OMG…..this Hollywood question is freakin’ retarded

The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 9:43 PM

It’s an important question for me. I want to know their positions on government censorship “for our own good.” I know both Mitt and Clinton have come out in favor of worrying levels of censorship.

askheaves on January 31, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Is it the CNN Cameras or is her head really 20% larger than Obama’s? I am not kidding, look close.

JayHaw Phrenzie on January 31, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Cackle! My ears are bleeding!

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Whose is saying she wasn’t controlling him with that attack? Oh, history, that’s right.

Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Disgusting, absolutely disgusting. I’m friggin’ terrified of either of these two getting elected. Seeing these two, face to face, just kitten-batting each other is truly disturbing.

Don’t care who the Rep nom is, he’s got my vote. Screw sitting out. I love my country too much.

LickyLicky on January 31, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Man the audience is filled with actors! Talk to your constituency I guess.

Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Oh, why don’t you just get down on your knees, Wolf.

RightWinged on January 31, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Hillary and Obama… a dream ticket?

CliffHanger on January 31, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Is it the CNN Cameras or is her head really 20% larger than Obama’s? I am not kidding, look close.

JayHaw Phrenzie on January 31, 2008 at 9:46 PM

He seems to have a small head and small hands.

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:47 PM

LickyLicky on January 31, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Good. I hope everyone gets on board the LickyLicky bandwagon!

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 9:48 PM

Gee Wolf, why don’t you just get under the desk and, you know… CHOKE! GAG!

CliffHanger on January 31, 2008 at 9:48 PM

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Hillary has very manly hands.

JayHaw Phrenzie on January 31, 2008 at 9:48 PM

Wow, she’s getting a little wild with the cackles… she must be blowing off steam after being so worried about getting slammed in this debate.. and it turns out I was right, Obama is a sissy b**ch and never let her have it. She’s relieved and those nerves are coming out in an increasingly strange and loud cackle.

RightWinged on January 31, 2008 at 9:49 PM

So that’s a no to you, Hillary.

Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Obama: Government. Government. Government.

BKennedy on January 31, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Obama is saying no way is he ever going to consider Clinton as a VP

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Hillary has taken at least 5 pages of notes and Barack has taken none.

JayHaw Phrenzie on January 31, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Hillary has very manly hands.

JayHaw Phrenzie on January 31, 2008 at 9:48 PM

A manly man

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:50 PM

KKKlinton sucks

custer on January 31, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Government loves you! Government needs you! What can the government to for you today?

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 9:50 PM

What this debate needs is a drunk Sean Young screaming from the audience.

The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 9:50 PM

That’s fitting. All that time on the short bus.

Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 9:50 PM

No need to take notes, she said the same stuff as before. So has he. Nothing new here, keep moving.

TOPV on January 31, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Unified in Defeat?!?!

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 9:51 PM

The Ugly American on January 31, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Only if her date was Crispin Glover.

JayHaw Phrenzie on January 31, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Worst “debate” ever.

therightwinger on January 31, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Obama “No I dont want Hilary as a VP but I might date Bill I heard hes a black man”

William Amos on January 31, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Wow, looking at the crowd this looks more like an Oscar Awards ceremony.

CliffHanger on January 31, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Hillary is getting a plug in for her townhall. That is experience talking Obama.

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:52 PM

The Score:

Hillary Won

Obama Lost

canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 9:52 PM

Dude, they should totally throw down Thunderdome style! :D

PolitiNOOB on January 31, 2008 at 9:52 PM

Well folks, that’s the competition.

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:52 PM

The Score:

Hillary Won

Obama Lost

canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 9:52 PM

Agreed, and Obama has to win Super Tuesday, and I just don’t think he will

So that means Hillary is probably their nominee

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Hillary tore off the pages she wrote on, but she left the pad behind. It could be possible to reconstruct what she wrote. I wonder if someone nabbed it.

JayHaw Phrenzie on January 31, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Obama “No I dont want Hilary as a VP but I might date Bill I heard hes a black man”

The best line of the night :-)

TOPV on January 31, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Fitting. BO works the crowd afterward, HC works the media.

Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 9:53 PM

A glimpse at Hillary’s Notes:

Let everyone know I’m a woman.
Cackle.
Try to use keywords like: Hispanic, Latino, Universal.
Cackle.
Speak louder when a few people clap.
Cackle Cackle Cackle.

CABE on January 31, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Obama/Clinton — Clinton/Obama [Andy McCarthy]

There’s your ticket. We better pull our socks up if we think we’re gonna beat ‘em.

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 9:55 PM

Defeating a Hillary/Obama or a Obama/Hillary ticket would be quite daunting I think. Did you hear the energy from the crowd on that suggestion by Wolf?

Yikes!

CliffHanger on January 31, 2008 at 9:55 PM

CABE on January 31, 2008 at 9:53 PM

needs more cackles

JayHaw Phrenzie on January 31, 2008 at 9:55 PM

CliffHanger on January 31, 2008 at 9:55 PM

McCain/Steele could do it.

JayHaw Phrenzie on January 31, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Obama, if he ever wants a shot at the presidency (I still think Hillary is the nominee) better stay away from the Clintons. I’ll point to Gore to emphasise that point.

Sue on January 31, 2008 at 9:58 PM

The Score:

Hillary Won

Obama Lost

canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 9:52 PM

That’s the score for this battle. In this war, America loses. God help us all.

LickyLicky on January 31, 2008 at 9:59 PM

One of those two is going to be the next C-in-C.

We’re the ones who are going to be waterboarded. Or at least reduced to abject poverty so Osama Obama or The Hildebeest can pander to help their downtrodden constituencies.

Still think McCain looks bad?

MrScribbler on January 31, 2008 at 10:00 PM

McCain/Steele could do it.

JayHaw Phrenzie on January 31, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Steele? Whose Steele?

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Wife needs me to do an errand,that was a blast,
but not for American,goodnight team!

canopfor on January 31, 2008 at 10:02 PM

MrScribbler on January 31, 2008 at 10:00 PM

If he gets the Nomination I hope he is up for it. It will be a blood bath.

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Still think McCain looks bad?

Yup because we will be part of Mexico by the time he finishes, so what’s the dif?

TOPV on January 31, 2008 at 10:03 PM

JDH — I don’t think McCain can beat all the promises, programs and sell-outs the Dems are offering.

Hell, if G-d was a conservative (and I think He must be — he couldn’t beat these two.

We are well and truly (as dey say in Noo Yawk) skroot.

MrScribbler on January 31, 2008 at 10:04 PM

We are well and truly (as dey say in Noo Yawk) skroot.

MrScribbler on January 31, 2008 at 10:04 PM

As long as we Republicans keep acting like spoiled bullies in a school yard, your right.

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 10:06 PM

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Did you have someone specific in mind?

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Did you have someone specific in mind?

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Everyone

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 10:09 PM

JDH

Did you have someone specific in mind?

:

How about anyone?

MrScribbler on January 31, 2008 at 10:12 PM

MrScribbler on January 31, 2008 at 10:00 PM

I honestly believe neither Romney or McCain will beat Hillary or Barack. I think right now we need to hope the Democrat who is the most moderate and who will work our military leaders the best and also will be willing to compromise on health care will win. I don’t know who that is. The Democratic base is enthused and they are going to get what they’ve been wanting and what they think they should have had 7 years ago. I don’t think they are beatable this year.

terryannonline on January 31, 2008 at 10:14 PM

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Michael Steele

JayHaw Phrenzie on January 31, 2008 at 10:14 PM

How about anyone?

MrScribbler on January 31, 2008 at 10:12 PM

Is anyone being a spoiled bully? Why yes, I think you could describe John McCain as a spoiled bully based on his debate performance last night as well as his performance two days before the Florida primary.

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 10:21 PM

terryanne — a “Democrat who is the most moderate and who will work our military leaders the best and also will be willing to compromise on health care” doesn’t exist.

What you see — two flaming communo-socialsts — is what we will get.

And it’s not made any easier by the Coulters, Limbaughs, Hannitys, et al — trying to enforce ideological purity on us.

If there is any hope, it lies with getting either McCain or Romney nominated and elected. I fear either will make things worse, but compared to what we’d get with Obamarry, we will be living in a Golden Age.

MrScribbler on January 31, 2008 at 10:24 PM

I watched most of it.

My wife made me turn it off though. She doesn’t allow porn in the house, and she said she didn’t want the kids to see Wolf giving Obama a blow job.

BacaDog on January 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM

McCain and Hillary even do the same thumb thing. EVIDENCE!

amkun on February 1, 2008 at 12:25 AM

Huh. I showed up to see what the HuckaHouseflies had to contribute to a thread about our opponents. Surprise, we got through the picnic, and no Houseflies showed up.

Dang. I wonder where those little Houseflies are. Kinda miss their buzzing.

RushBaby on February 1, 2008 at 1:01 AM

As long as we Republicans keep acting like spoiled bullies in a school yard, your right.

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 10:06 PM

and then “everyone”…

Can you please clarify/expand on this?

RushBaby on February 1, 2008 at 1:05 AM

Everyone

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 10:09 PM

That would mean you, since you said “we”.
Glad that you recognize yourself as one of the “spoiled bullies”. Speak for yourself, as you did. Let the others speak for themselves.

right2bright on February 1, 2008 at 11:30 AM

After Super Global Warming Tuesday if Obama is clearly lagging the Hill, you will see a Hill/Obama love fest break out and that will be your ticket for the election. An unbeatable ticket. If Obama hangs tough and remains close allowing him to think he has an outside shot at the nomination, he will stay in it to the convention. I’d be suprised if these negotiations wern’t already happening. Imagin how great it would be for the both of them to begin bashing Republicans weeks before the convention. Remember, these are strange times. Couple that with the Clinton’s will do anything to get back into the Oval Office and you have the Perfect Storm.

As far as Hillary needing to watch out for BHO in the West Wing, it’ll be her house and she will be wearing the pants. She could senf ol’ Billy Bob donw the hallway to quiet things up or ship BHO around the world to butter up our friends. Then, and only then, can the Clintons secure their legacy of being the first “black” president’s.

Simonsez on February 1, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Executive summary:

- “See that everyone? We like each other now. The next debate will be conducted from Barry’s magic lap.”

- “We have no specific plans except 1) make sure Iraq collapses for good 2) tax you suckers back to the days of Moses 3) blame Bush for 1) and 2)

- “You want change? He’s a brother and I’ve got cans! How many minds is that going to blow some minds out in the sticks!”

- Cackle, communism, retreat, mandate, ugly chick from Ugly Betty, pucker, smooch, and another cackle. Repeat ad inifitum

Chuck Schick on February 1, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Both candidates should look to a Kennedy quote

And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.
JFK 1-2-61

And if I adjust the quote to make a point for them….

And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your GOVERNMENT can do for you – ask what you can do for your GOVERNMENT. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

scruplesrx on February 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Gee, did Hillary see her shadow today? Will it be 4 years of bad luck?

johnnyU on February 2, 2008 at 11:02 AM

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