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Mark Levin nukes McCain, calls for conservatives to rally ’round Romney

posted at 2:27 pm on January 31, 2008 by Bryan
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Ka-BOOM…

As for McCain “the straight-talker,” how can anyone explain his abrupt about-face on two of his signature issues: immigration and tax cuts? As everyone knows, McCain led the battle not once but twice against the border-security-first approach to illegal immigration as co-author of the McCain-Kennedy bill. He disparaged the motives of the millions of people who objected to his legislation. He fought all amendments that would limit the general amnesty provisions of the bill. This controversy raged for weeks. Only now he says he’s gotten the message. Yet, when asked last night if he would sign the McCain-Kennedy bill as president, he dissembles, arguing that it’s a hypothetical question. Last Sunday on Meet the Press, he said he would sign the bill. There’s nothing straight about this talk. Now, I understand that politicians tap dance during the course of a campaign, but this was a defining moment for McCain. And another defining moment was his very public opposition to the Bush tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. He was the media’s favorite Republican in opposition to Bush. At the time his primary reason for opposing the cuts was because they favored the rich (and, by the way, they did not). Now he says he opposed them because they weren’t accompanied by spending cuts. That’s simply not correct.

Even worse than denying his own record, McCain is flatly lying about Romney’s position on Iraq. As has been discussed for nearly a week now, Romney did not support a specific date to withdraw our forces from Iraq. The evidence is irrefutable. And it’s also irrefutable that McCain is abusing the English language (Romney’s statements) the way Bill Clinton did in front of a grand jury. The problem is that once called on it by everyone from the New York Times to me, he obstinately refuses to admit the truth. So, last night, he lied about it again. This isn’t open to interpretation. But it does give us a window into who he is.

Hard to argue with any of that. It’s more of a cry to defeat McCain than it is to elect Romney, but the end result of defeating McCain would be to elect Romney. That bothers some conservatives just as much as electing McCain, which is why we’re in the fix we’re in right now.

As for me, I understand conservative discomfort with Mitt Romney. I’ve gone through it so much in my head that I’ve come up with a name for it: The Romney Paradox. I’ve written a whole post that explains it in detail, maybe I’ll publish it tomorrow once it’s gelled a bit.

Briefly put, it’s the fact that because we don’t elect businessmen to the presidency, Romney wouldn’t be a viable candidate if he hadn’t been a governor, but because he tacked left in order to win his Massachusetts governorship, conservatives have a hard time believing in his sincerity now, even though he probably started off as more conservative and is certainly more conservative now than McCain. But people have a hard time working it all out, so they don’t bother and just decide that he isn’t trustworthy. I get that. I don’t agree with it, but I see where it comes from. I also think that as a businessman Romney has been absurdly successful and as a public servant he’s been a whale of a lot better than most. He fixes stuff, usually stuff that someone else’s incompetence or corruption broke. We have a few things in Washington that need fixing. McCain doesn’t strike me as the guy who can do that, and don’t get me started on the Democrats. They’re not part of the problem, they are the problem.

As for Romney, here’s a rallying point if you need one.

We need to stay in the house that Reagan built.

I think it’s do or die time for conservatives. Either we rally to Romney or we reconcile ourselves to McCain and all that that means. It’s one or the other. We have a few more days to make up our minds.

More: One of my bottom lines in life is that I prefer people who fix things to people who break things. Romney fixed the Olympics, he fixed Bain, etc. McCain broke the First Amendment and I don’t trust him to fix the border. He did, arguably, have a lead role in fixing the war though he’s exaggerating that. On balance, I don’t know of anything that Romney broke but I do know of one thing that McCain broke and one thing he won’t fix. Fwiw.


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A view from the other side:

In McCain, Voters Force a Winner on the GOP

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 3:26 PM

I do trust that the dems can always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Yes. History tells us that–Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry were abysmal campaigners. Obama and Hillary strike me as more savvy and I think Obama would make McCain look awfully old. Still, November is forever away. Ten months ago Rudy was the GOP favorite and McCain was bankrupt and without his top staff.

McCain would need the economy to not get worse and national security to be a high priority. If the economy is weak in November the GOP is in trouble and McCain won’t convince a national audience that he knows how to fix it (Mitt would have been much better). Unfortunately, Clinton or Obama will promise that more government intervention will do the trick, and Americans who have seen their house prices drop and budgets eaten away by high energy prices are likely to believe them.

dedalus on January 31, 2008 at 3:27 PM

POW vs prep school

That’s hard to argue with. But if we are going to properly promote this, then why not push Col. Hogan? The camera devours him and he has a better stage presence.

There are a few dicy issues in his personal life, but beyond that, he plays the patriot part well.

natesnake on January 31, 2008 at 3:31 PM

We knew you wouldn’t get it.

THE CHOSEN ONE on January 31, 2008 at 3:10 PM

First off I did not make that comment, I was trying to respond to it and my comments did not go in. Second off smarty, who is “we”, you got a mouse up your a$$?

kcd on January 31, 2008 at 3:32 PM

I don’t want to be crude, but if McCain wins wouldn’t we be more interested in his VP choice?

Don’t think age isn’t going to be an issue with Juan McCain. Granted, Ronald Reagan pulled it off with glib humor but McCain is bitter and humorless. He’s no communicator like Reagan. Those schreeching for us to shut up and rally around McCain are short-sighted. Should McCain get the nominationa and Obama get the “rat” nomination, the constrast would be so severe and generational that Juan would look more feeble and out-of-touch than Bob Dole in 1996.

Beyond that, I don’t really think it matters. McCain isn’t apt to have the same cordial relationship with a VP that Bush/Cheney enjoy. McCain strikes me as the Captain Queeg or Richard Nixon type of personality- paranoid and loathe to give up any power or responsiblity. McCain’s VP is likely to be as relevant as Al Gore or Dan Quayle.

highhopes on January 31, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Lets look at what McCain has DONE…

His big proposal last year was Amenesty without security…

McCain/Feingold which put a government appointed entity in charge of political speech.

Fought against Tax cuts, ie, bigger government.

I could go on and on, but McCain is the quintisential Washington INSIDER!!! He has NOT fought to cut spending, and has been in Congress during the most rapid increase in Government size and cost in history.

He’s part of the problem… not part of the solution.

Romeo13 on January 31, 2008 at 3:33 PM

I crown thee…King of the Non Sequitur.

Slublog on January 31, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Didja remember to inaugurate him with a stupid stick?

geckomon on January 31, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Let me help you, so it makes sense to you.

Fred has, coming into the race, established conservative credentials. He had the necessary gravitas for his criticism to stick. Yeah, I think Romney has run a good campaign, but even his contrast ads are dismissed under the guise of his own morphed positions.

Fred had none of those problems. Fred was never going to win the nomination, but what I am saying is that if Fred would have been strong and vocally criticized McCain, esp on immigration, it was the best chance to thwart the growth of McCain’s momentum.

I hope that is clear to you. I am no way claiming Fred is was a viable candidate and Mitt was not. I am saying criticism from the right from a fellow candidate with credentials would have been immensely more productive then anyone else.

Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 3:06 PM

Yeah. It’s clear to me. I think I’ll go draw that warm bath now.

argos on January 31, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Okay- I’m in.

Go Mitt!

Ex-tex on January 31, 2008 at 3:33 PM

What I said on another thread earlier today still applies, so I’ll simply repeat it:

Let’s see if I’ve got this straight?

The Democratic Party is offering us Candidate Clinton: a self-indulgent, truth-bending narcissist who will say virtually anything to be elected. The Republicans have countered by nominating an aging, self-righteous senior ranking Senator and wounded war hero whose primary claim to fame is a distrustful relationship with a respected 2-term Republican President and an awkward history with his own party’s core constituencies who think nothing of sitting home on election day when they refuse to do what the DC elites tell them to.

Correct? Got it. Well, at least we all know how the story will end. I guess that should count for something.

Gartrip on January 31, 2008 at 3:35 PM

natesnake on January 31, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Hes also kinda…. dead?

I am also tired of the whole dang war hero thing. Fact of the matter is that he somehow managed to loose 5 Aircraft (some bad luck…. but… FIVE? thats an enemy ACE!).

Yes, he was stoic while a POW… but does that make him an effective MILITARY Leader?

Has he ever successfuly LED anything??? Done anything??? His Congressional record is FULL of very disturbing Anti Conservative things…

I mean… what are his two best know things??? McCain Feingold and Amnesty??? One of which luckily failed before implementation… but the other which limited Free Speech?

I would rather have a SMART President… vice just a Stoic one.

Romeo13 on January 31, 2008 at 3:39 PM

I endorse Romney.

dogsoldier on January 31, 2008 at 3:40 PM

dedalus on January 31, 2008 at 3:27 PM

I anticipate that Pres. Bush will be successful in creating a long-term strategic partnership with Iraq that has the binding power of a treaty. As such, I really expect that Iraq, as an issue, with be considerably less significant as an issue as it is right now. I think that will chip away as McCain’s greatest strength. I could be wrong though.

Spirit of 1776 on January 31, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Clinton/Obama/Huck/McCain ‘08
Why not? Its all the f’ing same thing.

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 3:41 PM

A view from the other side:

In McCain, Voters Force a Winner on the GOP

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Yeah. A winner who thinks Judge Alito is too conservative and who sez he has seen the light on illegal immigration, “my friend.”

Go Mitt!! You have my vote on Tuesday. You have the MSM, Nutroots Nation, and the GOP establishment against you, but good luck, ol’ buddy!

argos on January 31, 2008 at 3:42 PM

dedalus on January 31, 2008 at 3:14 PM

You can make that arguement if we get to that situation but the idea that we should all just shut up and get on the trash talk express is unaceptable cyber bullying.

I’ve not seen Romney supporters making the same kind of demands of McCain supporters and the race is hardly over. This isn’t the time to ignore the fact that McCain is nothing but a lipstick-wearing pig calling himself a conservative. His mom even came out and said that the strategy was to get the nomination and force conservatives to vote for him because he is the lesser of two very bad choices. It’s like ordering a cheeseburger instead of a hamburger when what you really wanted was the steak that got taken off the menu because not enough people ordered it. (how’s that for an analogy! ;-0)

If McCain wants the support of social conservatives, he needs to take the first step and I would argue that showing up with Rudy and Arnie isn’t doing a bit of good where McCain needs to mend fences. He needs to show that he has heard the concerns of grassroots voters and address the issues of concern. So far, he has just been his smug arrogant self assuming that we will eventually have to vote for him for no other reason than he isn’t Rudy. Well, I’m sorry the GOP has more options than a paranoid narcissitic RINO who sneers at my values and wants to undermine the nation.

highhopes on January 31, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Hes also kinda…. dead?

You’re kidding right? That’s not true. Don’t say things like that. It’s not funny. I just saw him on TV last night. He looked healthy.

DON’T TOY WITH MY EMOTIONS!

natesnake on January 31, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Once again. Would someone please explain to me how John McCain can win the general election?
Unless it is all about the war I can’t figure how he beats Hillary or Obama.

Maybe he has a drawer full of good ideas he has yet to announce?

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 3:43 PM

A view from the other side:

In McCain, Voters Force a Winner on the GOP

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Funny, but you seem to ignore where that author is coming from when she talks about “winning” & “good for the country”.

Her world view is one where Washington has the answers and solutions to problems vs. the reality where Washington IS the problem. McCain likes to pass “feel-good” bills with Democrats help that do not resolve any problems, just make him feel good about doing something. Everything McCain has put his name on makes problems worse in the long run (pretty much par for the course for Washington).

Even if McCain COULD get elected (which he has zero chance of doing) everything that would come out of his administration would be destructive to the USA. It would all be done with good intentions, but as the saying goes, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

Putting someone into the White House that believes Washington “has the answers” instead of “is the problem” gets us Carters / Clintons / Bushes vs Regans. I want Regans. I wants a POTUS that sees Washinton DC as the cancer that it is on the USA. McCain would just accelerate the growth of that cancer.

Voidseeker on January 31, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Mitt Romney, prior to becoming a “real conservative”:

“Look, I was an independent during the time of Reagan/Bush. I’m not trying to return to Reagan/Bush.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

jummy on January 31, 2008 at 3:46 PM

To wit.

argos on January 31, 2008 at 3:47 PM

i forgot to add something stupid like “KA-BOOM!”

jummy on January 31, 2008 at 3:48 PM

A NeoCon’s view:

Not voting for a Republican in the general election—even if it is McCain—is in reality a vote to abandon the troops and the sacrifice they have made… in addition to all the nasty repercussions that come from losing a war we can win.

The primary fight is good to have. But after the primaries are over, those who want to win the war have to unite around it.

Staying home on election day if McCain is the nominee is a de facto surrender in the GWOT. If both conservatives and republicans don’t support the war we’ve lost. I can’t think of anything that takes priority.

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 3:49 PM

jummy on January 31, 2008 at 3:48 PM

You callin’ me stupid?

Look, we all know all about that. We also know that McCain promoted a whole bunch of bad law a lot more recently than that clip.

Bryan on January 31, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Would someone please explain to me how John McCain can win the general election?

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 3:43 PM

He and Ahhnuld are going to SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT!!!

GORACLE!

We will all get jobs at $50 dollars an hour picking batteries in the hydrogen orchards.

Straight Up Crazy Talk my friend.

Deety on January 31, 2008 at 3:50 PM

In McCain, Voters Force a Winner on the GOP

Isn’t that what they said when voters forced John Kerry on a party that was clearly behind Howard Dean?

highhopes on January 31, 2008 at 3:50 PM

does it bother you that, when mitt says something like, “we need to stay in the house that Reagan built,” he’s lying?

jummy on January 31, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Mitt Romney, prior to becoming a “real conservative”:

At least he made it, which is more than I can say about McCain.

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 3:51 PM

“Look, I was an independent during the time of Reagan/Bush. I’m not trying to return to Reagan/Bush.”
jummy on January 31, 2008 at 3:46 PM

I think the point is that we’d prefer a candidate who will at least pay lip service to conservative ideals than one who actively (proudly, publically, derisively) defecates on all of our principles.

Romney, we can hold accountable in office since he cares what we think. McCain has no such qualms.

askheaves on January 31, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Okay- I’m in.

Go Mitt!

Ex-tex on January 31, 2008 at 3:33 PM

I want to acknowledge you for that man – well all know how you were/are a pretty dyed-in-the-wool FredHead. I appreciate you seeing the situation as requiring your urgent support. Amen bro – Let’s get to call’n!

(FWIW: I’ve got a call this afternoon of me just from a person that wanted to know who to vote for, because I threw it out to their family I would educate them on issues. I’m putting the word out to business associates, family, friends, heck – I’m willing to do yard work if that’s what it takes.)

SkinnerVic on January 31, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Deety on January 31, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Excellent!

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 3:55 PM

crosspatch on January 31, 2008 at 3:15 PM

I was not “distracted” from Romney by supporting Fred!, I was being true to conservative values. Now everyone wants to rally around some psuedoconservative and cry foul for those of us who were actually supporting the REAL conservative. Boohoo….it’s you Romney supporters who screwed the pooch when it comes to conservatism. The republican party is getting what it deserves!

ihasurnominashun on January 31, 2008 at 3:55 PM

The primary fight is good to have

Except when it only serves to fracture an already demoralized base — a base, by the way, that became demoralized by the backstabbing actions of the very man (& his RINO kind) whom they will soon have no choice but to support in the upcoming epic battle against the Arkansas Antichrist.

This so sucks.

argos on January 31, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Isn’t that what they said when voters forced John Kerry on a party that was clearly behind Howard Dean?

highhopes on January 31, 2008 at 3:50 PM

I would like to nominate this as Insightful Comment of the Day.

Kudos

argos on January 31, 2008 at 4:00 PM

…whom they will soon have no choice but to support in the upcoming epic battle against the Arkansas Antichrist.

Exactly. Accept it. Move on. Unite. Defeat the enemy.

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:01 PM

Juan Hernandez story.

Geronimo on January 31, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Once again. Would someone please explain to me how John McCain can win the general election?
Unless it is all about the war I can’t figure how he beats Hillary or Obama.

Maybe he has a drawer full of good ideas he has yet to announce?

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 3:43 PM

He can’t. McCain is going to get SMOKED in the general election.

1). Republicans will not be donating to his campaign.

2). Republicans will be sitting out the election in higher numbers then ever before in the history of this nation.

3). Having a lifelong career politician washington insider on the top of the ticket in a “change” election is begging for disaster.

4). The only reason Republicans will get themselves to the polls is to defeat the oppositions candidate. They are not FOR McCain. That senario loses every time.

5). From a marketing perspective, picture a young Obama or even Hillary side by side with an old, grey, cranky, hobbled man pushing 75 yrs old.

6). Democrats at this point are almost entirely anti war. They have absolutely no reason to reject one of their own in exchange for McCain.

7). The media is going to turn on him and tear him apart the day after the primaries are finished.

8). He has made it clear that he likes Hillary Clinton. He will not attack her. He can’t attack her. The media will tear him apart if he tries to attack her.

9). He is an economic ignoramous running in a year when the economy is turning out to be a huge issue.

10). He will not be able to take advantage of the 80-20% advantage Republicans have in regards to the illegal immigration issue. Many Democrats are not happy with the current flood of low skilled labor invading our country. They are largely against Amnesty. We are forfeiting a gigantic asset with a McCain nomination.

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:05 PM

…We also know that McCain promoted a whole bunch of bad law a lot more recently than that clip.

Bryan on January 31, 2008 at 3:50 PM

not as recently as mitt became a “real conservative”.

look, i’m not going to become the mirror to mds-sufferers. if mccain doesn’t come out the nominee, i will vote for romney. i won’t “stay home”, form a third party, exhort my compatriots to violence, call for recounts or any of those things mds sufferers – “real conservatives”, if you will – have threatened.

i don’t care if mitt became a focus-group conservative for the purposes of running for pres. that’s not astonishing. what’s astonishing is the cynicism with which mds sufferers are pretending to forget this and remember in it’s place something which is not so. to pretend that mitt is the “real conservative” just so they can pretend that their hatred of mccain has some sort of substance underlying it.

jummy on January 31, 2008 at 4:05 PM

McCain is not a leader. He continually touts his leadership of an air squadron in the Navy.

Big diff. In the military McCain’s subordinates MUST by law OBEY him. The head of a democracy doesn’t have that luxury. People will refuse to work with him. And what does he do now when people wont work with him? He throws fits. You think his outbursts are bad now, Oooooooo baby! Wait until he is the president, expecting everyone to fall in line, and they don’t.

csdeven on January 31, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Exactly. Accept it. Move on. Unite. Defeat the enemy.

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:01 PM

Agreed. BUT FIRST could we at least try to stand up to the forces that want to ram an unsatisfactory standard-bearer down our throat?

Go Mitt!! I’m with ya baby! I’m with ya!

argos on January 31, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Support the troops = Support the Republican nominee

Support the GWOT = Support the Republican nominee

Support victory in Iraq = Support the Republican nominee

Support victory in Afghanistan = Support the Republican nominee

Support freedom = Support the Republican nominee

(Unless the nominee is Ron Paul)

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:11 PM

This may come off as harsh and extreme but it should probably be stated, especially from my position here in the deep south: In the 2008 election, the following issues DO NOT matter to me anymore, nor should they matter to anyone else with a conservative soul: affirmative action, abortion, gay marriage, death taxes, prayer in schools, the confederate flag, day care, mandated health care, stem cell research, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, campaign finance, or oral sex from interns while sitting in the oval office.

The ONLY issues I’m considering with respect to this election are: border control, illegal immigrants and the hiring thereof, jihad, conservative judges, and the demonization of Gitmo et al… If our next President doesn’t have the right things to say about these issues, and can’t show me the RECORD TO BACK IT UP, then all of the other issues don’t matter because the country we are trying to keep strong won’t exist anymore. Why those people voting for McCain can’t GET this one simple point is beyond any and ALL logic. We can fight about the definition of marriage and how much money grandpa’s corpse has to handover to Uncle Sam on another day in another election. We can’t do anything, however, if 30 million illegals flood this country and take over all of our major southern cities (which is already happening in Texas and southern California). We can’t do anything if we suddenly find ourselves fighting for our kid’s futures in an American version of the very real “Eurabia”. McCain, Clinton, Obama… ALL THE SAME TO ME. Pick one, I don’t really care. Either way, we’re doomed. So you McCainiacs can have your silly bitter little man or you can yell and scream at people like me for 4 or 8 yrs as the reason why Hillary is back to stealing sofas and having coffees for Chinese “businessmen”. I don’t CARE anymore. What I’m saying is that I WILL NOT VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN. EVER. Give it up, because for me, the debate is over. Now if you will excuse me, I’m on my way to WalMart to pick up some more ammo to use to fight off the illegal immigrants who will soon be trying to break into my house once John or Hillary or Barack finally start erasing what’s left of this country’s southern border. Thank you and good night!

Gartrip on January 31, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Abandon the troops = not voting for the Republican nominee (staying home)

Disregard their sacrifices = not voting for the Republican nominee (staying home)

Diminishing the importance of the GWOT = not voting for the Republican nominee (staying home)

etc…

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:14 PM

4). The only reason Republicans will get themselves to the polls is to defeat the oppositions candidate. They are not FOR McCain. That senario loses every time.

Great list, I agree with every one of them. But I wonder if Jimmy Carter was maybe the exception to the above. He was the last democrat to win with an actual majority of the vote, but can it be because people seriously liked him?

argos on January 31, 2008 at 4:14 PM

As for me, I understand conservative discomfort with Mitt Romney. I’ve gone through it so much in my head that I’ve come up with a name for it: The Romney Paradox. I’ve written a whole post that explains it in detail, maybe I’ll publish it tomorrow once it’s gelled a bit.

Brayn I’m stick in your Romney Paradox. Please publish that post tomorrow, I’m very interested.

infidel2 on January 31, 2008 at 4:16 PM

John McCain will be elected POTUS the day Charles Manson is paroled.

Firmworm on January 31, 2008 at 4:16 PM

I thought it was 3 planes the senator lost, not 5, but I could be wrong. I do think that he probably kept a good man out of Annapolis, but I guess that the “fortunate son”, “legacy” “gentleman’s C grades” tradition is not totally without merit;…well, maybe.

One has to wonder ,though, with all due respect, if there’s a connection between the Annapolis student (who was right at the bottom of his class), the lost aircraft, and the eventual prison stay.

tyouth on January 31, 2008 at 4:18 PM

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:11 PM

I agree, but I view McCain as being a very weak national defense candidate if you set aside his support for the surge. Aside from that he’s against effective means of interrogation. He wants to close down Gitmo. He wants to provide Islamic Jihadists caught on the battlefield shooting at our soldiers with OJ Simpson lawyers. He does not give a damn about the possibility that one of the 10,000 people strolling accross our Southern border might be a member of Hezbollah with the intention of setting off a briefcase nuke in Los Angeles. Etc.

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:18 PM

McCain is not a leader. He continually touts his leadership of an air squadron in the Navy. Big diff. In the military McCain’s subordinates MUST by law OBEY him.
csdeven on January 31, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Bad argument. An officer can issue an order and it must be obeyed, but leadership is necessary so that morale is high and the subordinate follows the order willingly and with enthusiasm. From what I know, McCain showed impressive leadership while in service. The only people that followed Mitt were those who got pay checks signed by him.

tommylotto on January 31, 2008 at 4:18 PM

McCain is not a leader. He continually touts his leadership of an air squadron in the Navy.

csdeven,

Having been in command myself, I absolutely disagree with your conclusion that military leadership isn’t really leadership. There is far more to command in the military than just telling people what to do. In fact, you have to continually worry about your subordinates well-being far more than you do in the corporate world. You have appear to always be having a good day- even when you aren’t.

The problem with his claim of leadership comes because he suggested he got the command because of merit. He doesn’t mention that his father was CINCPAC at the time of this great moment in leadership.

highhopes on January 31, 2008 at 4:19 PM

…10). He will not be able to take advantage of the 80-20% advantage Republicans have in regards to the illegal immigration issue. Many Democrats are not happy with the current flood of low skilled labor invading our country. They are largely against Amnesty. We are forfeiting a gigantic asset with a McCain nomination.

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Not just Republicans. Look at this Zogby poll taken the week before the massive illegal alien marches.

This is a winning issue, if only framed correctly. McCain-Kennedy wasn’t legally amnesty (because it included a fine bribe after-the-fact of border crossing), but it was worse – it was a REWARD of the ill-gotten goods (residency) to the very thieves who came here to steal it.

For over two years, McCain has insisted on REWARDING foreign invaders (permanent residency after only a one business day to complete background and health checks on 12 to 30 million Z visa applicants) rather than secure our border to protect his own constituents. He has held hostage our national security to get his way on rewarding illegal behavior, thereby encouraging more illegal behavior in the future.

He said on Russert that he would sign the same bill. He has not learned his lesson. He still wants to sell out our country.

I trust Mitt to listen to his military advisors on WOT. I trust McCain to listen to Juan Hernandez on border security.

fred5678 on January 31, 2008 at 4:20 PM

I’d like to bring up two names that we haven’t heard in a while. Names that now infuriate me. Two who have gone into hiding when we need them most.

FRED!!! and DUNCAN!!!

Perhaps they are not the best campaigners – lets hope they know how to make an entrance. At this stage of Armageddon who could upstage endorsements by Guilliani (not Rudy anymore) AND Swartzenegger?

Somebody please WAKE them up! Frankly they both owe Rush, Hanity, and Levin for all of their support.

The impact would be even greater than a Huckabee drop-out.

Agrippa2k on January 31, 2008 at 4:21 PM

8). He has made it clear that he likes Hillary Clinton. He will not attack her. He can’t attack her. The media will tear him apart if he tries to attack her.

This is not snark. I just tried to picture him and Hilary facing off in a debate and honestly I got nothing. I mean he can’t go on for over an hour about the WOT in every debate even the domestic one can he?

Deety on January 31, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:18 PM

No argument for me and I welcome the primary fight (as long as it does not do irreparable harm). I’m still a FredHead.

What bothers me are those who would stay home and allow Billary or Obama to take the reigns when we have brothers and sisters, moms and dads in the fight, overseas.

Supporting them, supporting victory means doing all we can to prevent the Dems from taking the presidency.

Not supporting the Republican nominee (apart from R. Paul) in the general election is tantamount to giving up the fight and abandoning the troops. No way around it.

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Gartrip on January 31, 2008 at 4:14 PM

I’m with you 100% Gartrip. I will not vote for John McCain. Ever.

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:23 PM

…I thought it was 3 planes the senator lost, not 5, but I could be wrong. …
tyouth on January 31, 2008 at 4:18 PM

It was five, but maybe only two his fault.

Read about it here.

fred5678 on January 31, 2008 at 4:25 PM

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:23 PM

stillaneocon, that is my concern. If John McCain is made the GOP nominee, Hillary or Barak are already in the Whitehouse. There is nothing you or I can do about that.

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Agrippa2k on January 31, 2008 at 4:21 PM

you do know that Hunter endorsed Huckabee don’t you?

Deety on January 31, 2008 at 4:26 PM

To all of you idiots out there that keep saying we need to “support the nominee” – guess what? We don’t have a nominee yet!
Go MITT!

sleepy-beans on January 31, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:23 PM

I just don’t see how your position is anything but a surrender of the fight in the GWOT and an abondonment of the troops.

I may not like McCain or his softness in treating Al Q. prisoners, but he won’t abandon the troops in the field… all the Dems would.

While we are at war, with troops in the field, fighting and dying for us… I will do what I can to make sure they win and get what they need… staying home in the general election is not doing all we can to support them.

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:28 PM

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:23 PM

And stillaneocon, I know you want to tell me that because of my choice to stay home on election day Hillary will become POTUS. That is not true. That is just one out of many reasons Hillary will win. Read my 4:05 post. Us staying home on election day is only partially why Hillary will win. There is nothing we can do about it if McCain becomes the nominee.

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:28 PM

My Rudy vote goes to McCain.

Chakra Hammer on January 31, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Never give up, never surrender.

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:29 PM

CNN ‘dial group’ has Romney big WINNER!
Go Mitt!

Ex-tex on January 31, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:28 PM

At this point, polls—for what they are worth—shows McCain beating Hillary and Obama… Nader might still get in…

there is always hope… don’t stay home.

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Chakra Hammer on January 31, 2008 at 4:28 PM

You need to read Zetterson’s 4:05 post before you make that decision. Step away from the edge!

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Impose a litmus test on my candidate, then run with bogus stories about my candidate to help your candidate then tell me to vote for him later?

No Thanks, Rudy wants me to Vote for McCain, so there you have it.

Chakra Hammer on January 31, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Exactly. Accept it. Move on. Unite. Defeat the enemy.

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:01 PM

McCain is the enemy! I am doing everything I can to defeat that enemy. If he’s the nominee I vote for Hillary or Obama. Period!

jwp1964 on January 31, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Judges!
The next president will appoint 3-4 Supreme Court Justices.

Do you think McCain will appoint judges that would overturn McCain-Feingold?

Presidents last 4-8 years… Congress just a couple…

But if Hillary/Obama/McCain appoint more Ginsbergs, Hillary’s “choice”, it will haunt us for 20 years.

DANEgerus on January 31, 2008 at 4:33 PM

McCain will campaign in Mass on Monday.

bnelson44 on January 31, 2008 at 4:33 PM

More details please. Litmus test? Bogus stories?

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 4:34 PM

The fake debunked politico story to hurt Rudy 2 hours before a debate, was pimped by all these Levin types..

Why would I listen to him?

Go Rudy!

Chakra Hammer on January 31, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:05 PM

I am still not convinced McCain loses to Hillary. Most middle of the road folks like McCain. Hillary has high negatives. People may just choose McCain over Shillary.

Never give up…

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:35 PM

…We can’t do anything, however, if 30 million illegals flood this country and take over all of our major southern cities (which is already happening in Texas and southern California). ..
Gartrip on January 31, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Exactly! McCain is guaranteed to sign his “shamnesty” bill. This would be the single biggest permanent transformational mistake of the century – an overnight (only one business day waiting period for Z visas) increase in our ‘legalized” population of 10%, followed by another 30 million right behind to fill the void of low-wage serfs vacated by “legalized workers”.

McCain cares more about benefits for foreign invaders than the security of his own fellow citizens.
This is what McCain has let happen, and what will be multiplied a thousand-fold if he becomes POTUS. That’s the one promise I trust him on.

fred5678 on January 31, 2008 at 4:36 PM

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:30 PM

I appreciate your tenacity stillaneocon. And I also appreciate you not calling us sit-it-outers idiots for that decision. You state your disagreement passionately and respectfully. Thank you for that. I will do what I think is best for the country. Right now that translates into, stand up against McCain with as much fervor as I can possibly muster.

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:36 PM

I think the point is that we’d prefer a candidate who will at least pay lip service to conservative ideals

askheaves on January 31, 2008 at 3:53 PM

you must be proud of your pprincipled stand. truly an exemplar of the best things reagan inspired in us.

Romney, we can hold accountable in office since he cares what we think.

i do believe that’s why the more radical extremes of the nutroots were so solidly behind edwards.

jummy on January 31, 2008 at 4:37 PM

More details please. Litmus test? Bogus stories?

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 4:34 PM

No Denying that a “Pro-Choice” litmus test was placed on Rudy.. Even though he is Anti-Abortion..

Forget it, I vote for whoever Rudy tells me to.

He was my candidate form the start, he sticks to his positions and so do I.

Chakra Hammer on January 31, 2008 at 4:37 PM

McCain is the enemy! I am doing everything I can to defeat that enemy. If he’s the nominee I vote for Hillary or Obama. Period!

jwp1964 on January 31, 2008 at 4:32 PM

This point of view = abandon the troops = defeat in Iraq = terrorists win.

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:38 PM

McCain is not a leader. He continually touts his leadership of an air squadron in the Navy.

csdeven on January 31, 2008 at 4:06 PM

McCain is not a Republican. It should be most obvious today that John and Arnold and Rudy have formed a new party. This party does not represent the majority of Americans and will not win the 2008 election. I am not a member of this party and I have no qualms about refusing to support its nominee. I will wait patiently for 2012 until the Republican Party returns to the playing field. Mitch McConnell will save us from the worst that President Obama will try to foist on us.

rockmom on January 31, 2008 at 4:38 PM

I am still not convinced McCain loses to Hillary. Most middle of the road folks like McCain. Hillary has high negatives. People may just choose McCain over Shillary.

Never give up…

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:35 PM

RCP Averages..

McCain Vs. Clinton: McCain +1.8
McCain vs. Obama: McCain +1.5

In the Chart Romney has never shown that he could beat hillary or obama.

Romney vs. Clinton: Clinton +12.4
Romney vs. Obama: Obama +17.0

Chakra Hammer on January 31, 2008 at 4:39 PM

I’ve been totally on board with Mitt since Fred has been gone. Anything to save us from McHillary.

NickTx on January 31, 2008 at 4:40 PM

McCain is not a Republican. It should be most obvious today that John and Arnold and Rudy have formed a new party. This party does not represent the majority of Americans and will not win the 2008 election. I am not a member of this party and I have no qualms about refusing to support its nominee. I will wait patiently for 2012 until the Republican Party returns to the playing field. Mitch McConnell will save us from the worst that President Obama will try to foist on us.

rockmom on January 31, 2008 at 4:38 PM

rockmom, you are right on the money. Very true. And I think we have a long fight ahead of us.

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Chakra Hammer on January 31, 2008 at 4:35 PM

I think you give the folks at the Politico a little too much credit. Is it their fault Rudy couldn’t overcome the story with the truth? Is Bernie Kerik someone elses fault?

All the candidates have had false stories written or told about them and you just have to persevere. Should Romney throw in the towel because McCain falsely accused him of wanting a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq? Of course not, he is fighting on.

Welcome to the big leagues.

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 4:40 PM

McCain is not a Republican. It should be most obvious today that John and Arnold and Rudy have formed a new party. This party does not represent the majority of Americans and will not win the 2008 election. I am not a member of this party and I have no qualms about refusing to support its nominee. I will wait patiently for 2012 until the Republican Party returns to the playing field. Mitch McConnell will save us from the worst that President Obama will try to foist on us.

rockmom on January 31, 2008 at 4:38 PM

They are Ideologically where MOST of the voters ARE to deny that fact would be a lie.

Chakra Hammer on January 31, 2008 at 4:41 PM

“A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.” — Senator Barry Goldwater

diogenes on January 31, 2008 at 4:42 PM

They are Ideologically where MOST of the voters ARE to deny that fact would be a lie.

Chakra Hammer on January 31, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Wrong, they have manipulated the playing field. You just havn’t realized that yet. That position they have staked out has proven to not last long.

Zetterson on January 31, 2008 at 4:42 PM

I think you give the folks at the Politico a little too much credit. Is it their fault Rudy couldn’t overcome the story with the truth? Is Bernie Kerik someone elses fault?

All the candidates have had false stories written or told about them and you just have to persevere. Should Romney throw in the towel because McCain falsely accused him of wanting a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq? Of course not, he is fighting on.

Welcome to the big leagues.

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Look at the graphs.. I follow the data..
and Fox News kept reporting the story wrongly WEEKS after it was debunked..

Chakra Hammer on January 31, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Do you all really think McCain will go for another term when he’s pushing 80?

Yeah, me neither.

He will enter office as a Lame Duck President and won’t be able to get a thing done.

This could be positive or negative, but it’s worth discussing for sure.

NTWR on January 31, 2008 at 4:43 PM

This point of view = abandon the troops = defeat in Iraq = terrorists win.

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:38 PM

I dislike democrats as much as anyone, but if you think it is possible to pull out over night you have no concept of the size of the force and the logistics involved. Also, I think the dems will get slapped with reality when they take the oath of office….they are stuck with Iraq for several years at a minimum and will be forced to “win”. Nobody wants to “lose” the war. I also believe that Hillary is meaner than any terrorist.

jwp1964 on January 31, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Forget it, I vote for whoever Rudy tells me to.

I’m speechless.

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 4:44 PM

The only people that followed Mitt were those who got pay checks signed by him.

tommylotto on January 31, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Right, but let’s also look at the other perspective. The people that followed McCain didn’t really have any other options did they? It really was a case of make the best of the situation.

In contrast, one of the keys to a successful business is retaining the best people. If that means they get a bigger paycheck, I think that’s the whole “free market” idea at work.

Oh, but that’s right, I forgot we have to play the class-warfare card since Mitt actually ran a successful business.

darury on January 31, 2008 at 4:47 PM

highhopes on January 31, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Good post. I don’t disagree with your points. Everyone should push as hard as possible for their nominee choice.

dedalus on January 31, 2008 at 4:47 PM

JDH:
I’m with you on that one as well. I still can’t get my head around the fact that someone can be so VACUOUS and SHALLOW. I’m just glad that the only voice I listen to is the very logical one that lives in my head. Maybe she’s a KOS plant?

Gartrip on January 31, 2008 at 4:47 PM

No Thanks, Rudy wants me to Vote for McCain, so there you have it.

Chakra Hammer on January 31, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Heh. Of course. Just another tool. Now with more pun.

geckomon on January 31, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Forget it, I vote for whoever Rudy tells me to.

Sheeple…is that you?

ChrisM on January 31, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Gartrip:

I think you may be on to something. I don’t think I have ever seen a post bashing Fox News on this site. Particularly, since Rudy was on Hannity and Colmes nearly every night. If you are such a lemming why would you even waste your time on this site?

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 4:52 PM

I just don’t see how your position is anything but a surrender of the fight in the GWOT and an abondonment of the troops.

stillaneocon on January 31, 2008 at 4:28 PM

don’t you see? they’ve already abandoned the troops. and in a way worse than the progressives have. a progressive may be filled with hatred of the u.s. and it’s “killitary”. if they abandon the troops it’s on principle, however unfortunate their principles may be.

the mds sufferers – the “real conservatives” – well, they abandonned the troops two years ago because they got bored with caring about the war.
they got bored with it and decided that the single most important conflict of our time was the much safer “invasion” of freuit-picers and carpenters from mexico.

jummy on January 31, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Gartrip:

I think you may be on to something. I don’t think I have ever seen a post bashing Fox News on this site. Particularly, since Rudy was on Hannity and Colmes nearly every night. If you are she is such a lemming why would she even waste her time on this site?

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Edited version for clarity

JDH on January 31, 2008 at 4:55 PM

McCain’s name on the November ballot will result in two democrats running for prez. I can assure you the real democrat will win.

ricer1 on January 31, 2008 at 4:57 PM

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