Video: “How is it that you’re the expert on my position?”
posted at 10:07 pm on January 30, 2008 by Bryan
There are a couple of ways to look at this exchange between McCain and Romney over Iraq (which I’ve edited for brevity’s sake). One, John McCain is too thick-headed to understand the difference between the words “public” and “private” and their possible impact on the timetables and benchmarks that are central to the debate. Or two, McCain does know the difference but he’s being wholly dishonest about them in order to score points on Romney. Neither possibility speaks well of McCain at all, and the entire exchange underlines the problem that he has with the base. We don’t trust him because of episodes like this. The fact is, Romney is approaching the issue much like a business leader would and he happens to be right on the facts here. Of course you keep track of data to see if your efforts are on course, but also, of course, you don’t publish the timetables etc or you’re just telling the enemy how long he has to wait. It’s common sense. McCain, for whatever reason, just dug in and defended the lie that he trotted out last weekend in Florida. It’s disgraceful. Every time I start to get used to the idea of McCain as the nominee, he pulls a stunt like this and proves that he can’t be trusted.
On the subject of the Romney December 2006 comments, which is the issue McCain retreats to when the timetables issue becomes problematic for him, it’s worth noting that when Michelle and I went to Baghdad in January 2007, we picked up on an interesting and unexpected phenomenon among the troops in Iraq. Even they weren’t wholly supportive of the surge to a man and woman. Many of the ones with whom we spoke, troops who were on the front lines in Baghdad, were skeptical that a surge in force would make the impact that the war’s supporters hoped. They didn’t favor withdrawal, but like Romney in December 2006, they wanted to know more about how the troops would be used. One of the most common comments we heard was that more bodies won’t do much good if there’s no clear purpose to how and where they’ll be deployed. This was in January 2007; we were there the day President Bush announced the surge. I hardly fault Romney for wanting to hear more detail before he put his name on the line one way or the other on the surge. That was a reasonable reaction by someone whose day job didn’t include daily studies of troop numbers and strategies in Iraq.
Update: I really wanted to see two things tonight. I wanted to see Romney take the fight to McCain and earn the front runner spot. That didn’t happen. Romney came off well but I doubt the fundamentals changed. The other thing I wanted to see was some sign that McCain was ready to be a leader and be a less irritating figure than he has been up to now. That didn’t happen either. His “I led for patriotism, not for profit” line is a slap in the face to business. A slap in the face to business, and from the presumptive nominee of the pro-business party? Who does he think he is? And where does he think his own money came from? It came from his wife’s father, who presumably led for profit, not for patriotism.
His dishonest attack on Romney’s war stance, captured above, just signals that he’s the same old McCain.
I’m now in the position of having come around to like Romney. He’s decent, smart and fair and I think he would make a fine president. And I dislike McCain all over again. He’s a smarmy beltway insider who just lied to everyone who was watching while he smeared a good man, flipped on his own awful legislation and belittled free enterprise. This man wants to lead the party of Reagan?
McCain sure has his work cut out for him at CPAC. I don’t want to say that his mission of making peace with the base is impossible, but I won’t argue that it’s not.
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Congrats, Allah.
McCain will be the next senator to flip and I’ll take Joe Donnelly as the next Democrat to do so.
alchemist19 on April 4, 2013 at 8:03 PM
Why no mention of evolution? Is that passe?
Mason on April 4, 2013 at 8:07 PM
I’m thinking that all the sensitive lefties who called and emailed Bill’s office to tell him he is a worthless, old, white POS who should be dragged behind a truck and then lit on fire are probably feeling bad about what they did now that he’s seen the light.
Bishop on April 4, 2013 at 8:08 PM
Does this mean you’re finally coming out of the closet?
SWalker on April 4, 2013 at 8:08 PM
Redheads are triste.
Schadenfreude on April 4, 2013 at 8:13 PM
**Six DemonRats to Go*,from my sources,er,rumour(s)!
canopfor on April 4, 2013 at 8:21 PM
If Nelson were up for re-election next year he’d have a different story.
Oh, and did you know he was an astronaut?
Curtiss on April 4, 2013 at 8:22 PM
Why of course. The logic is inescapable.
Cleombrotus on April 4, 2013 at 8:23 PM
Er,thats **Six Senators to Go**!!
http://twitpic.com/ch0c7j
canopfor on April 4, 2013 at 8:23 PM
So basically he is saying Sacred Honor compelled him to do this?
Rocks on April 4, 2013 at 8:24 PM
There is a lot of flotsam and jetsam (and other stuff) floating in that gay-marriage pool. I think I’lll swim elsewhere.
Pork-Chop on April 4, 2013 at 8:24 PM
I dunno. Maybe they were right.
Curtiss on April 4, 2013 at 8:26 PM
There is too much to say about this facepalm-worthy statement. There is so much wrong with trying to make religious arguments (at least from a Christian perspective) in favor of SSM that it’s laughable.
This parade of politicians suddenly having epiphanies that SSM is OK to them is hilarious. Bunch of hypocrites. If it polled well tomorrow to say that Mohammed was the founder of America, I’m sure they’d jump on that bandwagon as well.
Othniel on April 4, 2013 at 8:26 PM
Profiles in
CourageI don’t know what but it’s not Courage. I don’t get these people at all. If the right to “gay marriage” matters to them then how are they all “evolving” on this issue at the time, like birds on a telephone wire that all follow the first one that takes off? What’s the deal?Paul-Cincy on April 4, 2013 at 8:27 PM
God also made murders and rapists, so should we legalize murder and rape because hey, if it was not His will, they wouldn’t exist, right?
/rolleyes
kaltes on April 4, 2013 at 8:27 PM
This doesn’t suprise me. Frankly, I always had the feeling he was gay himself. Just something about him.
BeachBum on April 4, 2013 at 8:28 PM
I keep waiting for one of these submissive, willowy fruit cakes to screw up and say they support BDSM.
With his neck pinched in like that, you have to admit he certainly looks like he’s been spending his nights wearing a gimp mask for a few years…
Asurea on April 4, 2013 at 8:31 PM
The quoting of the Declaration of Independence, and then, ipso facto, “gay marriage” … voila. It’s nutty. This isn’t a well-reasoned argument. Not when you turn your life-long position on a dime, 180 degrees, in the course of a day, because a bunch of other Senators did too.
Paul-Cincy on April 4, 2013 at 8:32 PM
You know I really hate when they use the “LORD” to cite their support for SSM. If Christians get bashed for using their beliefs to object to; then I say supporters aren’t allowed to use the G-O-D the other way either.
Just a thought..
When will O’Reilly accuse the gay side of Bible thumping mmmm?
melle1228 on April 4, 2013 at 8:38 PM
S you’re saying he’s a Space Cadet.
RickB on April 4, 2013 at 8:39 PM
Additionally, the whole, “They’re born gay!” crap is, well, crap. Genetics that discourage breeding die out, by definition. Exclusive homosexuality, as encouraged by these liberal wind bags, is an evolutionary dead end.
TL;DR: God didn’t make homosexuals a feature; they’re a bug(gering).
Asurea on April 4, 2013 at 8:42 PM
My sister’s best friend swears that once SSM becomes legalized she wants to codify her $lave/Ma$ter contract with her partner in the law, and she thinks it should have the same weight as a marriage via equal protection.
I am at the point where I say “oh he!!, why not?” Its all coming down the pipe.. The private has become public..
melle1228 on April 4, 2013 at 8:43 PM
I’m thinking that all the sensitive lefties who called and emailed Bill’s office to tell him he is a worthless, old, white POS who should be dragged behind a truck and then lit on fire are probably feeling bad about what they did now that he’s seen the light.
Bishop on April 4, 2013 at 8:08 PM
Bishop:You sir,have nailed it!:)
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canopfor on April 4, 2013 at 8:44 PM
Me thinks,that after four years of Democrat Operatives,
and working hand in hand with the MSM,and all the Perception/Deception in Polling,and Narrational Hi-Jack
ing,
here we,er,…. the (US of A) are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on April 4, 2013 at 8:47 PM
Once again, the ranks of the foolish golden calf worshipers increases.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on April 4, 2013 at 9:01 PM
This is typical of the Democrats. They have no scruples and in the case of Nelson, the election is over and he probably won’t run in 6 years. The only people taking a tough stand are the Republicans and, although I don’t agree with them, at least they know they’re taking a tough stand. The Democrats are just duplicitous.
bflat879 on April 4, 2013 at 9:02 PM
Since he doesn’t seem to care about the traditions or meanings of institutions, I guess he’s also for men entering beauty contests as well.
Still, it’s nice to see Democrats citing religion so much nowadays…
…(?)
Dongemaharu on April 4, 2013 at 9:11 PM
I was going to make a crack about two girls, the public, and buying tickets, but…
Asurea on April 4, 2013 at 9:11 PM
This Nelson announcement is different than all but one that we have seen so far in this spurt of announcements. It’s sincere. Everyone else announcing an evolution has believed in gay marriage since the 1990′s (or in one or two cases for only a decade). In contrast, Nelson is looking at different landscape about gay people, and changing his mind. Nelson’s change is as admirable as Portman’s was!
On the other hand, I am sympathetic to why so many Senators hide their honest feelings on this subject for so long. And why some GOP are still hiding their honest feelings that gay marriage would be moral progress.
thuja on April 4, 2013 at 9:32 PM
I had Nelson but tomorrow.
Cindy Munford on April 4, 2013 at 9:35 PM
Oh, yeah. He was just re-elected last year so before next time rolls around he can further evolve “upon reflection” if he thinks the wind blows the other way.
INC on April 4, 2013 at 10:00 PM
He’s not going to become going to espose bigoted views again. Not a single Senator who announced a change in views on SSM is going back. You can forget about you own insane bigotry becoming the mainstream position again.
thuja on April 4, 2013 at 10:04 PM
Nelson is a fake.
I simply cannot wait to give him a piece of my mind. Using the Declaration and God to justify his decision?
Please.
The devil can quote Scripture for his own devices, but Bill didn’t even bother to do that. He just made something up out of whole cloth.
INC on April 4, 2013 at 10:04 PM
It’s sanity to uphold marriage—an institution that’s crossed time, cultures, and religions.
INC on April 4, 2013 at 10:05 PM
It’s bigoted to preserve the meaning of something?
Dongemaharu on April 4, 2013 at 10:11 PM
It’s all BS for a small amount of votes. Watch out for the backfire.
Wade on April 4, 2013 at 10:12 PM
It is far less universal than your unsupported claims make it out to be. The historical record is that there were committed gay couples in ancient Greece. They weren’t called married because marriage was the man owning the woman. The gay couples better reflected the democratic values reflected in the Declaration of Indepedence and the Constitution than the heterosexual marriages of ancient Greece. In ancient Athens, the same ceremony was held for the wife of a new marriage and the introduction of new slave in the household. The exact same ceremony!
Beyond ancient Greece, archeology is full of examples of instutitonal examples of gay relationships, including some of the most successful cultures like medieval Japan.
thuja on April 4, 2013 at 10:16 PM
Historically, in many cultures, marriage has meant a man’s ownership of a woman. I’d say that’s bigotted.
thuja on April 4, 2013 at 10:17 PM
I was speaking of marriage, not relationships.
INC on April 4, 2013 at 10:22 PM
In America?
Dongemaharu on April 4, 2013 at 10:23 PM
Nelson did nothing that Saint Francis of Assisi wouldn’t have approved of. There has always been a tradition of reasonableness and kindness in our tradition.
But even if you want to condemn Nelson in the way you did, you have to address the moral question of Huckleberry Finn. Huckleberry Finn worried about his sin of helping Jim escape from slavery as it was stealing as defined by his society. Huckleberry Finn finally decides “all right I’ll go to Hell.”
thuja on April 4, 2013 at 10:28 PM
Cool. If you want to focus in America history, we have a record of changing our mind about many forms of bigotry. Why is this different?
thuja on April 4, 2013 at 10:30 PM
HEY! I had Nelson down for Thursday at 6:00!
Although it WAS last Thursday………
Barred on April 4, 2013 at 10:46 PM
Because the purpose of marriage isn’t to accommodate the gay lifestyle, nor is it to own women, nor is it be bigoted just because you say it is. Because one group cannot engage in some sort of activity it doesn’t mean they have a right to engage in that activity. As a man, I have no right to use the ladies restroom. And I’m not butthurt about it either, because I know there’s a purpose behind it that doesn’t include me. And I certainly don’t kneejerk call women bigots because they won’t let me use the ladies room.
Dongemaharu on April 4, 2013 at 10:55 PM
Barred on April 4, 2013 at 11:00 PM
Maybe everything you said would so awesome, but the fact is the purpose of marriage historically was ownerhsip of women, and man aren’t burned at the stake for using a woman’s restroom. They are just stared at funny.
And yes your views are bigotted. There really is no exucse for the barbaric hateful tortures that your tradition put gays through. Buring people alive for your f**** evil morality is so beyond the pale of anything moral and descent that you should be ashamed of what you have to say. Yes, this tradition that you want to support murdered gay people by torture. Tell me how that makes you feel good about what you say.
thuja on April 4, 2013 at 11:12 PM
I think somebody has some issues. *ahem*
Othniel on April 4, 2013 at 11:45 PM
LOL.
Do you think we care what you scream, you pedophile and child-rape supporter?
But it gets much better with what the lying thuja and gay-sex marriage supporters endorse as THEIR “tradition”.
And you want to talk torture, you disgusting pig?
Come on, gay-sex marriage bigot. You want to scream that Christians are responsible for burning people at the stake, you’re going to eat every last word and deed of what your filthy gay-sex marriage community has endorsed, supported and done.
And if you start screaming and bawling about how you can’t be held accountable for this, your blatant bigotry and hypocrisy will be revealed for all to see, and your life as a concern troll will be OVER.
northdallasthirty on April 5, 2013 at 1:23 AM
And what did thuja and its fellow gay-sex marriage supporters do?
Oh, that’s right, deliberately lie and give infected and tainted blood to make thousands of other people sick.
This despite KNOWING:
So that’s your “morality”, you sick thug thuja; you and your fellow gay-sex marriage supporters KNOWINGLY AND DELIBERATELY contaminated the US blood supply, leading to THOUSANDS of innocent people getting HIV and hepatitis and dying.
That’s what you support, pig. That’s what you do. And again, if you so much as raise a whimper about how you can’t be held accountable, you once again prove that you are nothing more than a hypocrite and concern troll.
northdallasthirty on April 5, 2013 at 1:27 AM
So many distortions, so many, so very many, grotesque twists of the human mind toward some sort of mushy end, principles be damned, those ugly, disgusting things.
There must be something infectious acquired when people take political office. It seems so many of them abandon themselves to alternate realities and alternate personalities depending on their goal of keeping the office.
Thus, realities: twisted. Logic: broken, abandoned. Avowed beliefs: bastardized and misrepresented when the idea of losing political office (and perks) arises.
Lourdes on April 5, 2013 at 3:41 AM
I’m sensing some big donations Bill Nelson received not too long ago, prior to this Massively Irrational Thursday Announcement.
Lourdes on April 5, 2013 at 3:51 AM
These sanctimonious POSs are really starting to irate me.
THE CONGRESS HAS THE POWER AND AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE CHANGE W/O HAVING SCOTUS INVOLVED!!!!!
Where is the tax legislation that allows gays to file as a special class, or get special tax treatment on trusts, or exemptions or anything else the LGBT groups claim are infringements on their “rights”?
Why aren’t all these evolved, worthless a-holes submitting and sponsering legislation to change it?
gonnjos on April 5, 2013 at 7:52 AM
Sigh! Senators making petitions to the Supreme Court!
I think they know that the justices are supposed to be interpreting the law (rather than the wind-direction, which so preoccupies these senators).
That’s a laugh too! How do we think the lesbian and the wise latina will rule? SCOTUS, if it has any sense, will treat it as the states voter rights issue it always was.
Californians had a vote. Gays don’t like it. So what?
virgo on April 6, 2013 at 2:52 AM