Side to Enax: Your comments about getting involved at the local level convicted me. We’ve a fellow here in MA who is going to take on Kerry this year – and it’s not as much of a long shot as you might think. I’m heading over to his site after this to volunteer/donate/whatever.

Thanks for the push.

Ogonowski plans Senate run against Kerry

JIM OGONOWSKI: “I Am Running For US Senate!”

I’m out of here, at least for the day. I’ve got to get some work done or I’ll have to fire myself.

Rod on January 31, 2008 at 9:29 AM

Good for you. Support those who you believe share and stand up for your values, and do it at the local and state levels. This is where folks who can make changes get started. As the old cliche goes, “All politics is local.”

Thanks taking the time. I do appreciate it. I do get your point.

We certainly share the same values. But, as I stated earlier, I believe that, within this thread, NuclearPhysicist best lays out the reasons for supporting, at this juncture in history, whatever candidate the party puts forward.

As I’ve stated earlier, I lived through Carter’s 4 short years. However, even though his domestic policies ensured a Regan presidency, we’re still dealing with the horrible consequences of his foreign policies.

I’ll concede that McCain might be mistaken for Hillary if if you just read his statements unattributed. But, like NuclearPhysicist pointed out, if we’re united, we stand a much better chance of holding McCain in check than we do Hillary.

There’s a quote attributed to Regan on another blog. It’s paraphrased, “Would you rather have 50% of what you want or 100% of nothing?” I don’t think it’s his as I’ve not found it in any of the quote sites but I like it nonetheless. I think it fits this situation.

Side to Enax: Your comments about getting involved at the local level convicted me. We’ve a fellow here in MA who is going to take on Kerry this year – and it’s not as much of a long shot as you might think. I’m heading over to his site after this to volunteer/donate/whatever.

Thanks for the push.

Ogonowski plans Senate run against Kerry

JIM OGONOWSKI: “I Am Running For US Senate!”

I’m out of here, at least for the day. I’ve got to get some work done or I’ll have to fire myself.

I just saw a picture of JM’s head on HRC’s and v/v. I think it was newsbusters. I think Rod is NOT getting the point.

I also see that MM feels the way we do. Later, Got long drive ahead.

:snorts and shakes head with smirk: :why?: :’cause … well … ’cause I’m cool and wise and you’re an idiot: Did I get that right?

Nope, not at all. I’m rolling my eyes at the typical line of thinking that you were offering (e.g. the lesser of two evils…).

I don’t care who’s “cool” or any of that other pablum.

I mean, not that I’m saying you’re an idiot. No. Far from it. Just trying to figure out why anyone would feel the need or think it’s cute to publicly insult a poster before responding. And not that I’m insulted. Maybe it’s not an insult. I don’t know. Just curious.

I mean, it’s like…you know…I just…well, is there a point to the above passage?

I always find those things more telling of the sender than the receiver. In any case, I don’t do this much ’cause I just don’t have the time. Took the day off to play.

Fascinating.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to post your full thoughts. Good stuff – especially the lower level political activity.

Your pleasure. :)

I’m not convinced that there is no difference between McCain and Hillary.

So be it…

On the supreme court, I’d rather take my chances with McCain.

I wouldn’t.

And on divided government, we’re in agreement.

Thanks again -

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Bonus. You’re welcome. Glad to be of service…

Did I get that right? I mean, not that I’m saying you’re an idiot. No. Far from it. Just trying to figure out why anyone would feel the need or think it’s cute to publicly insult a poster before responding. And not that I’m insulted. Maybe it’s not an insult. I don’t know. Just curious. I always find those things more telling of the sender than the receiver. In any case, I don’t do this much ’cause I just don’t have the time. Took the day off to play.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to post your full thoughts. Good stuff – especially the lower level political activity.

I’m not convinced that there is no difference between McCain and Hillary.

On the supreme court, I’d rather take my chances with McCain.

And on divided government, we’re in agreement.

Thanks again -

Nonetheless, I can participate at the local level and help ensure that folks with conservative principles get elected to state and federal offices who can represent these viewpoints and challenge the assault on conservative political beliefs.

Thank YOU. This is where we must start the process of returning the GOP back to it’s roots. If we are unsucessful then a third party we must make.

If this is so over-the-top for you, please help me by explaining how your no-vote benefits our conservative values and not Clinton’s. I’m open to your persuasion here.

If you can tell me how my sitting at home in a blue funk will keep a democrat out of the white house then I will sit at home crying in my beer.

If you can explain to me how a democrat in the white house for the next four years will ultimately benefit our shared beliefs, then convince me. I’ll throw up my hands up right now and start pouting with the best of them.

I honestly want to do the best thing I can to ensure that my kids have a real shot at a future that’s based on conservative values and not the liberals complete lack of values whatsoever.

I’m for Romney. He gets a check from me about once a week. He’ll get another another today. I’m not happy about this current turn of events than any of the others that are going to sit this out if McCain gets the nomination.

But just, please, give me a reasoned argument how my lack of support for my party’s candidate will benefit my kids. If you sincerely believe it’s going to help our county by electing a democratic, then tell me why. Convince me.

If you’re right, I’ll start making, “McCain’s a Dope so I Won’t Vote” bumper stickers and send you one for free.

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 2:01 PM

:rolls eyes:

First, I did not say I wouldn’t vote. I said that I’d be voting 3rd party for president this year –- more than likely Libertarian.

Second, McCain is NOT a conservative. I think that’s clear by the things he has done as a Senator and the alliances he has formed. All of these things have been noted on this site before…

Third, it won’t make much difference at this point who gets in office. McCain is Liberal. Hillary is a little more Liberal, and Obama is more Liberal than she is. The country is “trending” more moderate to liberal in their beliefs whether any of us like it or not. There’s not much I can do about that.

Some cite appointments to the Supreme Court as the reason to vote for McCain. But what says he’ll appoint a constructionist justice? Both Reagan (O’Connor and Kennedy) and Bush 41 (Souter) appointed some judges that didn’t turn out so great –- from a conservative point of view.

Nonetheless, I can participate at the local level and help ensure that folks with conservative principles get elected to state and federal offices who can represent these viewpoints and challenge the assault on conservative political beliefs.

Fourth, we don’t know at this point in time if the Dems will maintain the majority in the Legislative branch. That all important element remains to be seen. It’s NOT written in stone that the Dems will continue to control both houses of Congress.

Personally, I like divided government — one party in the WH and one party in the Legislative. The more bogged down they are the less either one can make sweeping changes.

McCain is going to get killed in this general because Republicans will stay home. Especially if Obama is the nominee.

Zetterson on January 30, 2008 at 10:55 AM

I aint voting for that amnesty carpet bagger.

Baphomet on January 30, 2008 at 8:39 AM

See People:
McCain even has support of demons/devils.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet

That makes me really want to vote for him…

Not.

Regardless of what they say, neither Shillery or Obama can time line Iraq, they know it and so should you.

leanright

With sincere respect LR, I don’t know that. I was drafted during Vietnam. Got spit on in airports. Had oranges thrown at me when I walked the street. Got beat-up in a bar. Lost good friends – some that died – some that hated my guts and called me a traitor because I didn’t flee to Canada with them. And in Southern California, I saw thousands of Vietnamese boat people settle in Garden Grove and Anaheim. These were the lucky ones, for just as many drowned on make-shift rafts trying to get out of Vietnam.

So no, I don’t know that. Our government has left over a million or so people to die before while our media turned it’s back. Perhaps it will be harder to do this time with the new media having such impact, but don’t’ believe they won’t try.

I think it’s time to stop playing along to get along.
I will only vote this cycle if BHO is a candidate.
There are TOO many questions about his past to ignore.

Amnesty for 20 million illegals in under 2 years. Spanish required of all government workers, etc. etc. Goodbye the America I knew

jed58 on January 30, 2008 at 7:27 AM

Little bit of overreaction wouldn’t you say?

Bradky on January 30, 2008 at 7:29 AM

A little bit of overreaction you say?

No, not at all. You nativist Gringos have no idea what is going to hit you when Juan and I take over Norte America next year.

Just a word to the wise for you out of the goodness of my heart as el Presidente Juan the Vengeful will not be so kind.

All of you, not just government workers had best, aprender espanol y rapido!

Do not say that you were not warned.

How about,let’s say,thinking generational…. maybe?

jerrytbg

Yeah, thanks, Jerry, I know what you’re saying. But I’m also thinking that way. I lived through Carter’s 4 years (even bought my first house then at 12% interest!)And we did get Regan because of it. (I voted for Carter, believe it or not …still not completely detoxified from the bushels of pot I’d smoked during the preceding 15 years).

But we’re facing one of Carter’s other messes now with Iran. What will Hillary or Obama leave for my kids to deal with? Dying of cancer because they had to wait 18 months to get a CAT scan for some lump? Speech police carting away their pastor because he dared to say the homosexual behaviour is a sin? I’d rather go for every little win I can get right now rather than give them any foothold.

I’m not a McCain supporter, but if he wins the nomination, he will be the only one on the ballot who won’t screw the military. It’s not much, but it’s enough.

funky chicken on January 30, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Are you sure? He’s screwed everyone else, how do you know he’s telling the truth on that one?

Rod, it isn’t so much that it will keep a dem. out of the office. It is a matter of principle. A protest against the deterioration of our party principles.
Regardless of what they say, neither Shillery or Obama can time line Iraq, they know it and so should you.
To say the least it is just a bunch of political bs. No POTUS would ever be caught disgracing our military like that.
As far as our boarders and immigration is concerned, the difference doesnt make any difference.

won’t screw the military.
funky chicken on January 30, 2008 at 2:20 PM

That is his only upside. That is why I have been harping to Mitt staff since AUGUST to get with it on the military side of this.

As a matter of fact, I’m going to call them again. Right now.

How about,let’s say,thinking generational…. maybe?

I’m not a McCain supporter, but if he wins the nomination, he will be the only one on the ballot who won’t screw the military. It’s not much, but it’s enough.

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM

If this is so over-the-top for you, please help me by explaining how your no-vote benefits our conservative values and not Clinton’s. I’m open to your persuasion here.

If you can tell me how my sitting at home in a blue funk will keep a democrat out of the white house then I will sit at home crying in my beer.

If you can explain to me how a democrat in the white house for the next four years will ultimately benefit our shared beliefs, then convince me. I’ll throw up my hands up right now and start pouting with the best of them.

I honestly want to do the best thing I can to ensure that my kids have a real shot at a future that’s based on conservative values and not the liberals complete lack of values whatsoever.

I’m for Romney. He gets a check from me about once a week. He’ll get another another today. I’m not happy about this current turn of events than any of the others that are going to sit this out if McCain gets the nomination.

But just, please, give me a reasoned argument how my lack of support for my party’s candidate will benefit my kids. If you sincerely believe it’s going to help our county by electing a democratic, then tell me why. Convince me.

If you’re right, I’ll start making, “McCain’s a Dope so I Won’t Vote” bumper stickers and send you one for free.

I didn’t catch this one. Thanks for pointing it out.

Baphomet on January 30, 2008 at 8:39 AM

WHAT?????????

The rest (campaign finance, immigration, etc.) is purely secondary and has no importance.

Baphomet on January 30, 2008 at 8:39 AM

What? LOL! Yeah, ILLEGAL immigration is such a secondary issue, as well as the scam that is campaign finance “reform”.

You’re operating under the assumption that the House and Senate will stay in control of the Legislative branch. I don’t think that’s clear at this point in time…

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Meaning — that the Dems will maintain control. This is unclear right now…

There are times when you will need to choose the lesser of two evils to ensure the most does not dominate.

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

If you truly believe that a democratically controlled congress and executive branch can irreparably damage this county, you will do everything within you power to mitigate that disaster.

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 9:57 AM

You’re operating under the assumption that the House and Senate will stay in control of the Legislative branch. I don’t think that’s clear at this point in time…