Meet the new front-runner

posted at 7:20 am on January 30, 2008 by Bryan

Rudy Giuliani is out of the race and will endorse John McCain. After Florida, McCain leads in the number of votes cast in all the GOP primaries and in the number of delegates. He did not win in Florida among conservatives but did win enough among Republicans and independents (yes, they voted in Florida) to win the primary. Going into several winner-take-all states on Super-Duper Tuesday, John McCain is the front-runner. Congratulations to him and his campaign. Once everything shakes out, we’ll probably see that the combination of the surprising Huckaboom plus the Rudy early state gambit gave McCain the opening that he needed while thwarting Romney’s own early state strategy.

McCain is a problematic front-runner, to say the least, from a conservative point of view. He openly lied about his own record on amnesty and Romney’s record on Iraq as recently as a few days ago. McCain has imbibed deeply of the global warming kool-aid and will take government action in that direction. He is weak on taxes and economics, he is so weak on border security that he still has former Mexican cabinet official and open borders zealot Juan Hernandez on his campaign, and he has built his “maverick” career on bashing conservatives and conservatism. None of that has mattered in the primaries thus far, though, and I think that says as much about the other candidates as it says about McCain. But on the positive side, McCain is seen as a national security hawk, and the votes of military and retirees went his way based largely on that. The GOP could do worse than nominate a bona fide war hero for the presidency, even while he presents serious problems on many issues. Our party at least takes national security very seriously and votes on it as a priority, something that can’t be honestly said of the Democrats. And for all his maverickness, McCain does vote conservative about 80% of the time. That fact gets lost in his high-profile betrayals of conservatives and conservative principles, and the existence of legislation called “McCain-Feingold” and “McCain-Kennedy.” He needs to work on something called “McCain-DeMint” or “McCain-Hunter.” Some sort of earmark-slashing tax cut package would be nice.

The other candidates have either failed to catch on so far because of poor strategy, taking stands at odds with the party base and personal peccadilloes; because they appeal only to a limited segment of the party; because they ran weak campaigns; or because their previous record of expediency came back to haunt them. Oddly enough, nearly all of those attributes could describe McCain himself to one degree or another, yet he’s the favorite to win the nomination now. Maybe McCain is the embodiment of all that’s wrong with the GOP right now. He is certainly both a reflection of its traditionalism and a symptom of its policy divisions. He may also be the logical outcome of the some of the fractures the Bush years have exposed. And maybe many of us are voting for him because it’s McCain’s “turn.” Republicans do that sort of thing, often to our detriment.

Conservatives can take heart from a couple of things. The nomination fight isn’t over, and if Huckabee drops out it’s a two-man race that may force both McCain and Romney to court the base in ways that at least McCain hasn’t up to now. Unfortunately, Huckabee isn’t likely to drop out any time soon, so if you’re for Romney, then you’re essentially taking on two candidates who have allied together against you and one of them is holding a cache of votes that you need. How do you capture them? And for all his business acumen, Romney isn’t a perfect candidate either. There is no such thing as a perfect candidate, but this group has carried more than its share of unique issues.

Even if McCain or a Democrat wins the White House, we conservatives can still win on issues as they arise. We beat back an immigration amnesty that had the support of most in the Senate and the Bush administration. We can do it again if McCain or a Democrat is dumb enough to try pushing it again. It will be more difficult, but not impossible.

But even while we can win on some issues, it’s worrisome to me that the more capitalistic party is about to nominate someone who has shown as little understanding of and respect for the private sector as the top two Democrats have. It’s worrisome that the top three candidates, McCain, Obama and Clinton, have little regard for freedom of speech. It’s worrisome that this election is turning less on issues and more on narratives and personality, on both sides of the aisle. These are serious times, and it just doesn’t look like the electorate is taking its choices very seriously. I don’t say that strictly because this or that guy won in Florida, but because overall it looks as though personalities, endorsements and empty slogans are having more of an effect on the vote than what the candidates actually say and do and what their records in and out of office reveal about them. While conservatism isn’t dead, it’s not in good shape and there are valid reasons to take a sober look and wonder where we go from here.

Wherever we go, despair ought not be an option:

Don’t quit, boys. For God’s sake, don’t ever quit. So long as there is room for hope, so long as victory is a possibility, so long as you have strength for the fight, you owe it to yourself to keep hoping and keep fighting.

Hope and courage must always go hand-in-hand. If you will spread hope and encouragement in this dark hour of disappointment, you will do more for your candidate than you know.

Hope and courage are two things in short supply these days. If you have either one, and especially if you have any amount of both, use them.


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Rod on January 30, 2008 at 10:39 AM

What difference is there between Hitlery and McCain? None. Well, maybe they use different restrooms, but apart from that, they’re ideologically identical. McCain is proving himself to be Clintonesque in his views, and he has said he doesn’t like “conservative” judges. So, the only thing to do is either reject McCain now during the primary season, or failing that, not vote for the POTUS and let Hitlery take over. The damage would be exactly the same between those two people. McCain himself has said there’s no real difference between him and Clinton.

jdawg on January 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM

You know, after the media tells us over and over who the “electable” candidates are, can you name me the last truly authentic Republican to lose a general election? I can name you a whole list of RINOs who have lost the general. But can you name me an authentic Republican candidate who lost?

McCain is going to get killed in this general because Republicans will stay home. Especially if Obama is the nominee.

Zetterson on January 30, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Where does it end if the conservative base of the GOP does not say “NO, go $%^& yourselves” to the big-government, amnesty supporting, border erasing, globalist Republicans like McCain and Graham?

They take more and more and more.

We must draw the line in the sand. If that causes McCain to lose in the general…
well then so be it.

lil biblical jive:

For if your party causes sin, cut it off, for it is better to enter into a Democrat controlled presidency with no party than to enter a Republican presidency with a RINO.

blatantblue on January 30, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Is anyone here that’s a dog on McCain accounting for the Congressional makeup in the next Congress? I know I am. Republicans taking control of either the House or the Senate is a bleak outlook. The Republicans need a huge turnout to even come close, but Obama is the Dem nominee the Congress question is out of the question.

If you think a Hillary White House is a nightmare, I hope you’re accounting for a Pelosi Congress too.

I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

gabriel sutherland on January 30, 2008 at 11:06 AM

What difference is there between Hitlery and McCain? None.
jdawg on January 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Okay. I’m just uninformed, or plain stupid. Please help me by explaining how the ACU rating of 80 for McCain and 12 for Hillary equals “none”? How does 80=12?

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 11:17 AM

jdawg:

Nobody is telling you to shut up… certainly not me. Until the nomination is a done deal, we should all do our best to support the better candidate. However, once the nomination process is over, if McCain wins, we should do our best to get him elected instead of allowing the election of a liberal President in the middle of an important war. After that, conservatives can use vigorous lobbying to keep him in check in the areas where he departs from conservative principles (we will still have a divided Congress that can be swayed by such pressure). We won’t win all of these battles, but we will win enough to make a difference. Meanwhile, we can take solace in knowing that McCain will continue to fight radical Islam rather than surrender to it.

NuclearPhysicist on January 30, 2008 at 11:18 AM

Said it on the dead thread. Say it again here. We need to remember how McCain supports those who support him, regardless of the harm it will do to others.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/08/06/MNGUT83SS41.DTL

McCain backed KERRY on the Swift Boat issue. Because Kerry won’t come clean with his DDforms, we can’t dispute his service in Vietnam. Fair enough. But we can sure as hell point out his treasonous actions AFTER HE CAME HOME. McCain sided with Kerry. That man slandered an entire generation of heros like McCain, yet McCain backs him. Who does he pander to next?

dish on January 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Okay. I’m just uninformed, or plain stupid. Please help me by explaining how the ACU rating of 80 for McCain and 12 for Hillary equals “none”? How does 80=12?

Wrong yardstick there, sport. The ACU ratings don’t take into account things like straight party votes. The real litmus test is if McCain stood for the key issues of the conservatives. He not only wanted amnesty, he co-sponsored the legislation. He is in favor of gay marriage and gays in the military. He is against tax relief. He co-sponsored the bill that took away some of my Constitutional rights.

So, bottom line, 80=12 in this case because that “20″ McCain loses is in the areas that matter and should be weighted according.

highhopes on January 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM

highhopes on January 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM

What he said.

Plus the fact that McCain is a sleazy, lying, power-mad crazy man who will do and say anything to get elected. Once in power, he will destroy the GOP as Republicans in Congress will probably not want to stop his liberal policies. It needs to end here. Either the GOP wakes up and recognizes it is a conservative party, or it goes the way of the Whigs. I will not vote for any RINO, ever.

jdawg on January 30, 2008 at 11:32 AM

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 11:17 AM

highhopes on January 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Yes, but does McCain = Hillary? There’s no difference in your mind?

CliffHanger on January 30, 2008 at 11:32 AM

Plus the fact that McCain is a sleazy, lying, power-mad crazy man who will do and say anything to get elected. Once in power, he will destroy the GOP as Republicans in Congress will probably not want to stop his liberal policies.

McCain = Godzilla

CliffHanger on January 30, 2008 at 11:34 AM

“McCain does vote conservative about 80% of the time.”
That’s not correct at all. I’ve seen this erroneously cited at several places in the blogopshere lately.

The fact is that a while back he used to have a conservative rating like that, but in recent years it has degraded precipitously, to the point that his conservative rating now ranks among the lowest of all Republican senators.

clark smith on January 30, 2008 at 8:26 AM

80% in 2005, dropped to 65% in 2006, 82% lifetime rating. Amongst Republicans, even 82% is a LITTLE lower than normal, putting him somewhere b/w true conservative and RINO, 65% is a RINO rating for sure. But Bryan’s point is valid, on most issues McCain will go the right way, but when he is wrong, boy is he wrong, and vocal when he is stabbing us in the back.

RW Wacko on January 30, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Wrong yardstick there, sport.
highhopes on January 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM

I see. Thank you. What you’re saying, I guess, it that it’s better (or no different) to let the election default to Hillary who votes against “my” values 88% of the time than to hold my nose and help to elect McCain who votes against “my” values 20% of the time because those 20 percenters were really the defining ones and the rest just don’t matter.

Thanks for setting me straight on your viewpoint. I respectfully don’t agree and think NuclearPhysicist is the voice of reason in this thread. But I do appreciate you taking the time to enlighten me. However, for now, I’ll stick with the ACU yardstick. I’d still rather have someone in the White House that aligns with 80% of my values, no matter how minor, than a president who only respects 12% of my beleifs.

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 11:57 AM

Even if McCain or a Democrat wins the White House, we conservatives can still win on issues as they arise.

Right, like when Bush proposed a massive increase to Medicare through Prescription Meds.

Obviously the Conservative Republicans in Congress fought that like they fought Hillarycare, so we don’t have that increasing the speed of the collapse of the Federal Budget.

Oh, (R)’s in Congress opposed Hillarycare, but let Bush’s liberal Medicare foobar through? Just because he’s got an (R) after his name?

Well damn, lets get another Liberal (R) in there toot-sweet. I want me some more liberal policies that even a Democrat couldn’t get through Congress. That is some sweet-sweet Liberalism there. the sort that Democrats can only dream of…

gekkobear on January 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM

“I’m the conservative leader who can unite the party.”

-Juan McShamnesty, lying more efficiently in one sentence than many politicians take any entire day, or even career, to do.

profitsbeard on January 30, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Little bit of overreaction wouldn’t you say?

Bradky on January 30, 2008 at 7:29 AM

Nah. It’ll come to fruition. Do you live in the Southwest?

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 12:26 PM

I’m concerned that here in MN our state government is trending totally left wing……. never mind McCain’s issues. I feel we need to make sure we have conservative state and federal reps in office to keep the McCain’s in check. There’s the real battle ground.

MNDavenotPC on January 30, 2008 at 12:26 PM

America loses big time with any one of these three in office. I suppose I can just take solace knowing that it took a Carter… to give us a Reagan.

Jockolantern on January 30, 2008 at 7:35 AM

And our country went through a lot of economic pain when Carter was in office. I hope all of you guys are ready for another round of it…

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Zetterson:

You are forgetting about the independent voters when it comes to McCain. Rasmussen tracking polls currently show McCain with a small but consistent lead when pitted against Clinton or Obama. If he wins the nomination, if some of the conservative McCain haters simply swallow their pride, hold their noses and vote for him, he stands an excellent chance of winning in the general election.

jdawg and highhopes:

I understand your pain when it comes to McCain, but I don’t see how people like you boycotting the general election is going to help this country. Nixon and Watergate gave us Carter and we are still haunted by his legacy over 30 years later. Bush I’s new taxes combined with Perot gave us eight years of Clinton and even more pain. Conservatives staying home in November 2006 gave us Pelosi/Reid and a near miss on immigration reform/amnesty. It looks to me like conservatives staying home because of their lack of happiness with the GOP candidates hasn’t worked out so well. The only time we win is when we stay vigorously and actively engaged in changing the future direction of things. That often includes holding our noses and then working extra hard to hold elected officials accountable to the American people. Stay home if you will, but doing so will only make you part of a growing problem rather than part of the eventual solution.

NuclearPhysicist on January 30, 2008 at 12:36 PM

And our country went through a lot of economic pain when Carter was in office. I hope all of you guys are ready for another round of it…

Carter also laid the foundation for today’s Iran. I’ll be dead and gone (or near to it) but 30-40 years from now your and my kids could well be dealing with the mess that comes out of this election.

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 12:40 PM

What a great time to be a lazy, irresponsible dumbass in America. Let’s tax the successful and give it to the losers. Hell, let’s import more of life’s losers, we have plenty of successful people to tax.

reaganaut on January 30, 2008 at 8:06 AM

Atlas Shrugged

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Okay. I’m just uninformed, or plain stupid. Please help me by explaining how the ACU rating of 80 for McCain and 12 for Hillary equals “none”? How does 80=12?

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 11:17 AM

O wrongo Rod; check this out …

Senator John McCain’s lifetime rating of 82.3% from the American Conservative Union is often cited as proof that he is conservative. Here is a closer look at that 82.3 rating.

First, a rating of 82.3 is not really that high. It puts Senator McCain in 39th place among senators serving in 2006, the latest year for which the ACU has its ratings posted online. For that most recent year in particular, McCain scored only 65, putting him in 47th place for that year. Ben Nelson (D-NE) and Chuck Hagel (R-NE), for example, scored 64 and 75, respectively, in 2006.

clark smith on January 30, 2008 at 12:53 PM

I know that most people here are not McCain fans. However, I did vote for him in yesterday’s primary. I follow the war pretty closely spending an hour or two a day reading about what is going on. I also am currently coaching a Marine who did two tours in Iraq during the worst of the violence.

What sold me on McCain? The video on his website and listening to him tell his story. He strikes me as the most authentic and down to earth of all the candidates. I have a soft spot for war heroes.

I also value his life experience and his time in Washington. He knows how to get things done and how the system works there. He also has shown time and time again he is willing to work with democrats and actually get things done.

After watching how much hatred and bad blood that exists in DC between Republicans and Democrats over the past 20 years I believe McCain will be a uniter.

The highly polarized atmosphere between the parties in DC gets us nowhere.

Like it or not, for the foreseeable future there are going to be lots of democrats in congress. We must win this war and find a way to reduce this 9 + trillion dollar debt of ours. It should be obvious to all of us that it’s going to take a team effort of all the knuckleheads in DC to actually fix the problems we have as a country.

With the mainstream media constantly bombarding us with nothing but negative, depressing, and gotcha reporting trying to be the next Bob Woodward, we need someone who can inspire us and give us hope.

Michelle said how McCain’s victory speech in New Hampshire was “Churchillian.” That’s what we need. A leader who gives us hope and makes us feel good about ourselves and our country. Someone who inspires us to greatness as a nation.

I see lots of great politicians running for office, but I see only one real leader. That’s John McCain and that is why he gets my vote.
Here is another example of the types of things leaders say: Defense Secretary Gates ended a recent speech with a grim warning against underestimating the United States.
Some countries, he said, “may believe our resolve has been corroded by the challenges we face at home and abroad. This would be a grave misconception.”
Nazi Germany, imperial Japan, Fascist Italy and the former Soviet Union all made that miscalculation, Gates said. “All paid the price. All are on the ash heap of history.”
When was the last time we were united as a nation for more than just a year or two?
Something to think about.

Corey Wayne on January 30, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Republicans and many on this blog getting exactly what you have asked for. Good luck with McCain. He isn’t a RINO – he is what a Republican is nowadays. You all hate Ron Paul so much – now you can suck on McCain as your Presidential nominee. You call people like me a “Paultard” (I guess you are implying a special form of mental retardation – that’s hilarious). I guess all of us Paultards and all of you smart people can sit back and enjoy our time with the next President of the People’s Republic. Don’t worry – the government will just print more money.

King of the Britons on January 30, 2008 at 8:49 AM

Nah, the middle conservative Republicans — the Reagan conservative Republicans — are being shut out or they are tuning out. They’re not RINOs and they’re not Ronulans.

That’s kind of conservative I am and the kind of conservative many are who have a problem with both McCain and Ron Paul.

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 12:57 PM

What sold me on McCain? The video on his website and listening to him tell his story. He strikes me as the most authentic and down to earth of all the candidates. I have a soft spot for war heroes.

Gee, and you dismiss his outright lies about Romney’s position on the war? You dismiss is lies about wanting amnesty for illegals and open borders? You dismiss the fact that he has worked against the administration when it comes to things like allowing waterboarding under very specific circumstances with very specific protocols?

John McCain is authentic allright- an authentic weasel. I respect what he did as a POW but does that, and that alone, trump the fact that he is a better looking version of Hillary Clinton? I don’t think so.

highhopes on January 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

NuclearPhysicist on January 30, 2008 at 12:36 PM

I believe holding TRUE to our core principles is the only way we, as conservatives, are going to salvage this party. Respectfully, holding our collective noses only perpetuates this cycle of ….however you want to describe it… I’m sure you agree there is little difference between JM & HRC… Assuming such, and taking that risk, I ask, why perpetuate this madness?
We must start thinking generational and if it takes a third party, then so be it.

jerrytbg on January 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

What sold me on McCain? [...] I have a soft spot for war heroes.

Corey Wayne

Dude, McCain was a war hero … 35 years ago.

35 years ago, soldier McCain displayed honor for his country. Since becoming Senator McCain 22 years ago, he’s displayed dishonor for his Party.

How long does the McCain of today have to act like a weasel until people stop touting McCain as some moral giant for something he did three and a half decades ago?!

At some point we have to recognize that the guy is just a heel, and the great person he was 35 years ago doesn’t exist anymore.

clark smith on January 30, 2008 at 1:05 PM

clark smith on January 30, 2008 at 1:05 PM

Agreed. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark

Tacitus on January 30, 2008 at 1:06 PM

It’s likely this race is gonna come down to Hillery and McCain. And it’s likely to be a close race. In my book, anyone that walks away from this fight in self-righteous indignation is throwing in the with democrats.

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 9:12 AM

Puhlease…

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM

McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Feingold, gang of 14, close gitmo, embrace global warming, against the Bush tax cuts, etc, etc…so where are all the pissed off, we have to stop McCain conservatives? Are they going to show up and out vote the McCain-Huckabee juggernaut on Super Tuesday?

miketheman on January 30, 2008 at 1:15 PM

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM

Agreed!

jerrytbg on January 30, 2008 at 1:16 PM

For those of you who are going to pick up your marbles and go home – well – I respect and share your conservative values and frustration but the only thing I can figure is that you’re either very young or you’ve led very sheltered lives. The Stones said it best 40 years ago when I graduated high school and then got drafted (government sanctioned kidnapping) to fight in Vietnam: “You Can’t Always Get What You Want.”

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 9:38 AM

You’re such a shill. I’ll vote my conscience and I’ll vote for whomever I damn-well please — thank you very little…

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Corey Wayne on January 30, 2008 at 12:53 PM

And whose campaign do you work for?

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 1:18 PM

If McCain wins the nomination. I’ll not only not vote for him, but I will have to seriously consider registering as an independent.

Do we really want as the head of the GOP someone who has supported:

Amnesty for Illegals
Restrictive Environmental Laws
Restricting the 1st amendment
Raising Taxes for Social Security
Fuel Economy Mandates from the Federal Government
Criminal Trials for Terrorists
Stem-cell research on human embryos

And someone who has opposed:
The Bush Tax Cuts
The Marriage Amendment
Waterboarding Terrorists
Drilling in ANWR
Overturning Roe V. Wade

Those are not positions of a party I want to belong to. Perhaps this is the end of the Republican party.

joncoltonis on January 30, 2008 at 9:50 AM

This deserves repeating…

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 1:22 PM

There are times when you will need to choose the lesser of two evils to ensure the most does not dominate.

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

If you truly believe that a democratically controlled congress and executive branch can irreparably damage this county, you will do everything within you power to mitigate that disaster.

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 9:57 AM

You’re operating under the assumption that the House and Senate will stay in control of the Legislative branch. I don’t think that’s clear at this point in time…

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 1:25 PM

You’re operating under the assumption that the House and Senate will stay in control of the Legislative branch. I don’t think that’s clear at this point in time…

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Meaning — that the Dems will maintain control. This is unclear right now…

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 1:27 PM

The rest (campaign finance, immigration, etc.) is purely secondary and has no importance.

Baphomet on January 30, 2008 at 8:39 AM

What? LOL! Yeah, ILLEGAL immigration is such a secondary issue, as well as the scam that is campaign finance “reform”.

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 1:29 PM

The rest (campaign finance, immigration, etc.) is purely secondary and has no importance.

Baphomet on January 30, 2008 at 8:39 AM

WHAT?????????

jerrytbg on January 30, 2008 at 1:32 PM

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 1:29 PM

I didn’t catch this one. Thanks for pointing it out.

jerrytbg on January 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Meet the new front-runnernext Bob Dole>
Well, maybe not quite, Bob at least was a conservative.

leanright on January 30, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Puhlease…

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM

If this is so over-the-top for you, please help me by explaining how your no-vote benefits our conservative values and not Clinton’s. I’m open to your persuasion here.

If you can tell me how my sitting at home in a blue funk will keep a democrat out of the white house then I will sit at home crying in my beer.

If you can explain to me how a democrat in the white house for the next four years will ultimately benefit our shared beliefs, then convince me. I’ll throw up my hands up right now and start pouting with the best of them.

I honestly want to do the best thing I can to ensure that my kids have a real shot at a future that’s based on conservative values and not the liberals complete lack of values whatsoever.

I’m for Romney. He gets a check from me about once a week. He’ll get another another today. I’m not happy about this current turn of events than any of the others that are going to sit this out if McCain gets the nomination.

But just, please, give me a reasoned argument how my lack of support for my party’s candidate will benefit my kids. If you sincerely believe it’s going to help our county by electing a democratic, then tell me why. Convince me.

If you’re right, I’ll start making, “McCain’s a Dope so I Won’t Vote” bumper stickers and send you one for free.

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Look, there’s a lot of us who liked McCain in 2000 but were told that GW Bush was a better conservative, and McCain was terrible. So we took GW, and got what? Out of control spending, degradation of the military, advocacy for amnesty, flailing WRT Putin, a large presence in Kosovo even though Bush ran against nation building, etc.

I’m not a McCain supporter, but if he wins the nomination, he will be the only one on the ballot who won’t screw the military. It’s not much, but it’s enough.

funky chicken on January 30, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 2:01 PM

How about,let’s say,thinking generational…. maybe?

jerrytbg on January 30, 2008 at 2:21 PM

won’t screw the military.
funky chicken on January 30, 2008 at 2:20 PM

That is his only upside. That is why I have been harping to Mitt staff since AUGUST to get with it on the military side of this.

As a matter of fact, I’m going to call them again. Right now.

csdeven on January 30, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Rod, it isn’t so much that it will keep a dem. out of the office. It is a matter of principle. A protest against the deterioration of our party principles.
Regardless of what they say, neither Shillery or Obama can time line Iraq, they know it and so should you.
To say the least it is just a bunch of political bs. No POTUS would ever be caught disgracing our military like that.
As far as our boarders and immigration is concerned, the difference doesnt make any difference.

leanright on January 30, 2008 at 2:35 PM

I’m not a McCain supporter, but if he wins the nomination, he will be the only one on the ballot who won’t screw the military. It’s not much, but it’s enough.

funky chicken on January 30, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Are you sure? He’s screwed everyone else, how do you know he’s telling the truth on that one?

Shay on January 30, 2008 at 2:49 PM

How about,let’s say,thinking generational…. maybe?

jerrytbg

Yeah, thanks, Jerry, I know what you’re saying. But I’m also thinking that way. I lived through Carter’s 4 years (even bought my first house then at 12% interest!)And we did get Regan because of it. (I voted for Carter, believe it or not …still not completely detoxified from the bushels of pot I’d smoked during the preceding 15 years).

But we’re facing one of Carter’s other messes now with Iran. What will Hillary or Obama leave for my kids to deal with? Dying of cancer because they had to wait 18 months to get a CAT scan for some lump? Speech police carting away their pastor because he dared to say the homosexual behaviour is a sin? I’d rather go for every little win I can get right now rather than give them any foothold.

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 3:02 PM

Amnesty for 20 million illegals in under 2 years. Spanish required of all government workers, etc. etc. Goodbye the America I knew

jed58 on January 30, 2008 at 7:27 AM

Little bit of overreaction wouldn’t you say?

Bradky on January 30, 2008 at 7:29 AM

A little bit of overreaction you say?

No, not at all. You nativist Gringos have no idea what is going to hit you when Juan and I take over Norte America next year.

Just a word to the wise for you out of the goodness of my heart as el Presidente Juan the Vengeful will not be so kind.

All of you, not just government workers had best, aprender espanol y rapido!

Do not say that you were not warned.

VinyFoxy on January 30, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 3:02 PM

I think it’s time to stop playing along to get along.
I will only vote this cycle if BHO is a candidate.
There are TOO many questions about his past to ignore.

jerrytbg on January 30, 2008 at 3:18 PM

Regardless of what they say, neither Shillery or Obama can time line Iraq, they know it and so should you.

leanright

With sincere respect LR, I don’t know that. I was drafted during Vietnam. Got spit on in airports. Had oranges thrown at me when I walked the street. Got beat-up in a bar. Lost good friends – some that died – some that hated my guts and called me a traitor because I didn’t flee to Canada with them. And in Southern California, I saw thousands of Vietnamese boat people settle in Garden Grove and Anaheim. These were the lucky ones, for just as many drowned on make-shift rafts trying to get out of Vietnam.

So no, I don’t know that. Our government has left over a million or so people to die before while our media turned it’s back. Perhaps it will be harder to do this time with the new media having such impact, but don’t’ believe they won’t try.

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Baphomet on January 30, 2008 at 8:39 AM

See People:
McCain even has support of demons/devils.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet

That makes me really want to vote for him…

Not.

LegendHasIt on January 30, 2008 at 3:26 PM

McCain is going to get killed in this general because Republicans will stay home. Especially if Obama is the nominee.

Zetterson on January 30, 2008 at 10:55 AM

I aint voting for that amnesty carpet bagger.

saiga on January 30, 2008 at 3:55 PM

If this is so over-the-top for you, please help me by explaining how your no-vote benefits our conservative values and not Clinton’s. I’m open to your persuasion here.

If you can tell me how my sitting at home in a blue funk will keep a democrat out of the white house then I will sit at home crying in my beer.

If you can explain to me how a democrat in the white house for the next four years will ultimately benefit our shared beliefs, then convince me. I’ll throw up my hands up right now and start pouting with the best of them.

I honestly want to do the best thing I can to ensure that my kids have a real shot at a future that’s based on conservative values and not the liberals complete lack of values whatsoever.

I’m for Romney. He gets a check from me about once a week. He’ll get another another today. I’m not happy about this current turn of events than any of the others that are going to sit this out if McCain gets the nomination.

But just, please, give me a reasoned argument how my lack of support for my party’s candidate will benefit my kids. If you sincerely believe it’s going to help our county by electing a democratic, then tell me why. Convince me.

If you’re right, I’ll start making, “McCain’s a Dope so I Won’t Vote” bumper stickers and send you one for free.

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 2:01 PM

:rolls eyes:

First, I did not say I wouldn’t vote. I said that I’d be voting 3rd party for president this year –- more than likely Libertarian.

Second, McCain is NOT a conservative. I think that’s clear by the things he has done as a Senator and the alliances he has formed. All of these things have been noted on this site before…

Third, it won’t make much difference at this point who gets in office. McCain is Liberal. Hillary is a little more Liberal, and Obama is more Liberal than she is. The country is “trending” more moderate to liberal in their beliefs whether any of us like it or not. There’s not much I can do about that.

Some cite appointments to the Supreme Court as the reason to vote for McCain. But what says he’ll appoint a constructionist justice? Both Reagan (O’Connor and Kennedy) and Bush 41 (Souter) appointed some judges that didn’t turn out so great –- from a conservative point of view.

Nonetheless, I can participate at the local level and help ensure that folks with conservative principles get elected to state and federal offices who can represent these viewpoints and challenge the assault on conservative political beliefs.

Fourth, we don’t know at this point in time if the Dems will maintain the majority in the Legislative branch. That all important element remains to be seen. It’s NOT written in stone that the Dems will continue to control both houses of Congress.

Personally, I like divided government — one party in the WH and one party in the Legislative. The more bogged down they are the less either one can make sweeping changes.

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 5:28 PM

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Nonetheless, I can participate at the local level and help ensure that folks with conservative principles get elected to state and federal offices who can represent these viewpoints and challenge the assault on conservative political beliefs.

Thank YOU. This is where we must start the process of returning the GOP back to it’s roots. If we are unsucessful then a third party we must make.

jerrytbg on January 30, 2008 at 6:16 PM

:snorts and shakes head with smirk: :why?: :’cause … well … ’cause I’m cool and wise and you’re an idiot:

Did I get that right? I mean, not that I’m saying you’re an idiot. No. Far from it. Just trying to figure out why anyone would feel the need or think it’s cute to publicly insult a poster before responding. And not that I’m insulted. Maybe it’s not an insult. I don’t know. Just curious. I always find those things more telling of the sender than the receiver. In any case, I don’t do this much ’cause I just don’t have the time. Took the day off to play.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to post your full thoughts. Good stuff – especially the lower level political activity.

I’m not convinced that there is no difference between McCain and Hillary.

On the supreme court, I’d rather take my chances with McCain.

And on divided government, we’re in agreement.

Thanks again -

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 6:37 PM

:snorts and shakes head with smirk: :why?: :’cause … well … ’cause I’m cool and wise and you’re an idiot: Did I get that right?

Nope, not at all. I’m rolling my eyes at the typical line of thinking that you were offering (e.g. the lesser of two evils…).

I don’t care who’s “cool” or any of that other pablum.

I mean, not that I’m saying you’re an idiot. No. Far from it. Just trying to figure out why anyone would feel the need or think it’s cute to publicly insult a poster before responding. And not that I’m insulted. Maybe it’s not an insult. I don’t know. Just curious.

I mean, it’s like…you know…I just…well, is there a point to the above passage?

I always find those things more telling of the sender than the receiver. In any case, I don’t do this much ’cause I just don’t have the time. Took the day off to play.

Fascinating.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to post your full thoughts. Good stuff – especially the lower level political activity.

Your pleasure. :)

I’m not convinced that there is no difference between McCain and Hillary.

So be it…

On the supreme court, I’d rather take my chances with McCain.

I wouldn’t.

And on divided government, we’re in agreement.

Thanks again -

Rod on January 30, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Bonus. You’re welcome. Glad to be of service…

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 7:07 PM

eanax on January 30, 2008 at 7:07)

I just saw a picture of JM’s head on HRC’s and v/v. I think it was newsbusters. I think Rod is NOT getting the point.

I also see that MM feels the way we do. Later, Got long drive ahead.

jerrytbg on January 30, 2008 at 7:51 PM

eanax, jerrytbg,

Thanks taking the time. I do appreciate it. I do get your point.

We certainly share the same values. But, as I stated earlier, I believe that, within this thread, NuclearPhysicist best lays out the reasons for supporting, at this juncture in history, whatever candidate the party puts forward.

As I’ve stated earlier, I lived through Carter’s 4 short years. However, even though his domestic policies ensured a Regan presidency, we’re still dealing with the horrible consequences of his foreign policies.

I’ll concede that McCain might be mistaken for Hillary if if you just read his statements unattributed. But, like NuclearPhysicist pointed out, if we’re united, we stand a much better chance of holding McCain in check than we do Hillary.

There’s a quote attributed to Regan on another blog. It’s paraphrased, “Would you rather have 50% of what you want or 100% of nothing?” I don’t think it’s his as I’ve not found it in any of the quote sites but I like it nonetheless. I think it fits this situation.

Side to Enax: Your comments about getting involved at the local level convicted me. We’ve a fellow here in MA who is going to take on Kerry this year – and it’s not as much of a long shot as you might think. I’m heading over to his site after this to volunteer/donate/whatever.

Thanks for the push.

Ogonowski plans Senate run against Kerry

JIM OGONOWSKI: “I Am Running For US Senate!”

I’m out of here, at least for the day. I’ve got to get some work done or I’ll have to fire myself.

Rod on January 31, 2008 at 9:29 AM

Side to Enax: Your comments about getting involved at the local level convicted me. We’ve a fellow here in MA who is going to take on Kerry this year – and it’s not as much of a long shot as you might think. I’m heading over to his site after this to volunteer/donate/whatever.

Thanks for the push.

Ogonowski plans Senate run against Kerry

JIM OGONOWSKI: “I Am Running For US Senate!”

I’m out of here, at least for the day. I’ve got to get some work done or I’ll have to fire myself.

Rod on January 31, 2008 at 9:29 AM

Good for you. Support those who you believe share and stand up for your values, and do it at the local and state levels. This is where folks who can make changes get started. As the old cliche goes, “All politics is local.”

eanax on January 31, 2008 at 10:41 PM

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