A little pick-me-up
posted at 9:42 am on January 30, 2008 by Bryan
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I didn’t like 300 much, but I might have to re-evaluate it after what happened in Florida.
Here’s why I’m not quite ready to make nice.
In my attempts to self-soothe in the wake of Romney’s Florida defeat, I’m poring over the details of the exit polling in search of encouraging morsels, thus far with sporadic success. Mitt beat McCain soundly among conservatives (37-29), among “issues” voters (35-27), and even edged him out among voters for whom terrorism was the most important issue (29-26).
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One of the features of the Florida primary that was supposed to distinguish it from the other contests to date was that it was a closed primary, meaning only party-registered voters could vote in their respective primaries. This was one of those alluring intangibles that hinted at a Romney advantage relative to the earlier open primaries.
And indeed, the exit polling suggests that Romney likely matched McCain among Republicans in Florida (rounded to the nearest percentage point). From where I’m sitting, it appears Mitt Romney Mitt-Romney-MBA Sep-07 might’ve won the Florida primary.
First, we conservatives are the bedrock of the GOP and, pundit betrayals and spin notwithstanding, our values are the party’s engine. They’re the party’s future. They’re worth fighting for, even if we’re outnumbered by the influx of independents in what was supposed to be a closed primary, and even if we end up with an imperfect party nominee because of that.
So we fight on. Conservatism isn’t Sparta. It’s America.
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It’s so hard to be optimistic. My hope is that Mitt calls McCain out on every issue tonight at the debate and the only true conservative shines through. Then I hope that enough people are even watching the debate. Sometimes it is lonely out here…….
ctmom on January 30, 2008 at 9:46 AM
Where’s the proof? A majority of the GOP are voting for McCainnedy.
Valiant on January 30, 2008 at 9:47 AM
We reeeeeeaallly need a bloggers debate more than ever!
- The Cat
MirCat on January 30, 2008 at 9:48 AM
I love your enthusiasm Bryan. I’m not sure why so many people are so upset about Fla., we still have a long way to go and the Base will come out for Mitt.
Tony737 on January 30, 2008 at 9:48 AM
I can’t help but think that the only reason we are where we are in this mess is due to a single word. Macaca.
If McCain thinks he’s getting my vote (not that he cares on bit) he’s got another thing coming.
pistolero on January 30, 2008 at 9:49 AM
Hey thanks Bryan! All the people in your pick-me-up died, but hey it works :-)
I’m not ready to make nice yet either. Let’s see how Super Tuesday shakes out. It may very well be that we are setting the ground work for ‘12 anyway.
Spirit of 1776 on January 30, 2008 at 9:50 AM
The Huckster is now the spoiler. If he was out, more of his voters would go to Romney than McCain. But this way — he knocks Romney out and we see a McCain/Huckleberry ticket.
SunSword on January 30, 2008 at 9:50 AM
So this settles it. Florida election officials are drooling morons.
Surely we can all agree on that, right?
Slublog on January 30, 2008 at 9:50 AM
Thanks for the post Bryan. I’m still of the idea, that last night is truly a clarion call to all those disenfranchised with the MSM and others trying to force McCain down the GOP’s throat. Folks, it’s very simple actually – take a look at the field; who has the principles most conservative, campaign cash and organization = One answer.. Mitt
Dudes and Dudettes – Take action NOW, and after all you can do between now and then you will be able to sleep with yourself knowing that you gave the fight against Shamnesty. You can cry in your beer then if it’s only after all YOU do…
SkinnerVic on January 30, 2008 at 9:51 AM
I believe that its still 9/11 in the republican party. Webacked McCain because we still want to fight the WOT. While many echoed the Economy they didnt back the economic conservative but the foreign policy one.
That is what the pundits forgot. They forgot 9/11 is still in republican voters minds even as the democratic party has abandoned it. We didnt forget what happened that terrible day.
So yes it is the battle of thermoplae where conservative candidates got surrounded and slaughtered. But conservatism like Greece didnt die that day it rose back up to fight the good war.
So I say take pride in oour party. We didnt abandon American to foreign enemies just because it was a politically expedient thing to do.
William Amos on January 30, 2008 at 9:52 AM
If you don’t pay any income taxes, you should not be able to vote. The primary should be for registered party members only. The current system is a mess that produces crapy results ; Just look at Florida is a classic example.
These collective fools want amnesty. Working, tax paying Republicans don’t. What a mess.
saiga on January 30, 2008 at 9:53 AM
I’m detecting a nuttiness that far exceeds the boundaries of the election worker there in FL.
SkinnerVic on January 30, 2008 at 9:54 AM
Sun – “… he knocks Romney out and we see a McCain/Huckleberry ticket.”
‘Scuze me while I go puke!
CT – “Its so hard to be optimistic.”
Why? We still have Super Tuesday and Mitt’s gonna kick azz!
Tony737 on January 30, 2008 at 9:54 AM
Mitt’s now the only true conservative?
Wow.. Just wow.
Reaps on January 30, 2008 at 9:54 AM
Huckster as VP with Pelosi hovering in the wings. McCain is an old guy. Hard to put on a happy face this morning.
a capella on January 30, 2008 at 9:55 AM
‘Lil old me? Goes without saying.
I’m a blogger. Comes with the territory.
Slublog on January 30, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Spartan politics
scottm on January 30, 2008 at 9:56 AM
And the most backhanded compliment towards Mitt award goes to..
Reaps on January 30, 2008 at 9:56 AM
Heh, yeah. I’m hoping for a better outcome this time around.
Bryan on January 30, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Surely.
Midway through the evening, I noted that the GOP vote count was at least 25% higher than the Dems. Some of this probably comes from the delegate fiasco for the Dems, but not much, imo.
I agree with Bryan that many, many Dems and independents voted in our primary, once again.
Jaibones on January 30, 2008 at 9:59 AM
Sure does. I talk with normal people around me and they wonder how poli-nerds like myself are made. Simple, blogs.
SkinnerVic on January 30, 2008 at 9:59 AM
Politics – the D&D of this generation.
Slublog on January 30, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Laura Ingraham said Mitt Romney needs to give Huckleberry whatever he wants to get him on the Romney train.
The thought makes me sick but a lot less sick than a McCain nomination.
EJDolbow on January 30, 2008 at 10:01 AM
The republican party learned lessons from the democrats. Giving people things (big govt) is the easiest way to win their vote. So, giving people things is what they do. What do you think a neocon is? It’s a big government republican who believes in national defense. As opposed to a liberal, who is just a big government democrat.
The difference lies in national defense and that’s it. That’s mccain.
lorien1973 on January 30, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Very likely one of three people will be elected in November: Hillary, Obama or McCain. McCain is the closest of the three to conservative viewpoints and, unlike the two Dems needs conservative voters and the support of conservative congressmen. A Dem president would be able to work from the left and would have meaningful majorities in both houses of congress.
If conservatives are the bedrock of the GOP, the numbers aren’t giving them a majority in the country, or even in a GOP primary in Florida. Probably best to pick the core principles and work on educating the country on them.
dedalus on January 30, 2008 at 10:01 AM
McCain May Win, Romney Can’t – Dick Morris, The Hill
bnelson44 on January 30, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Why does everybody keep saying that McCain is the guy for the WoT? Just because he got shot down? Yes, he served his country and that’s great, but it doesn’t mean he’d be better than Mitt. Go back and re-read the endorsement from Dr. Walid. National security is our number 1 issue and Mitt is the man for the job.
Tony737 on January 30, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Considering who the dems were running I think it speaks more to the fact they didnt want to vote for either Hillary or Obama. It wasnt so much the liked McCain as the disliked those two.
We are upset because we dont have a conservative in our party but I feels dems are more upset they only have far left liberals as their candidates.
I see hope in what happened.
William Amos on January 30, 2008 at 10:02 AM
“Then we will fight in the shade.”
…….That still gives me chills and goosebumps.
Hawkins1701 on January 30, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Heh. If you go by the Dick Morris is always wrong rule, that’s the best news we’ve had all day.
Slublog on January 30, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Three things in my mind point to a better outcome:
1) Donks have a serious fight going on – In a large scale vote like Super Tuesday, they have to worry about themselves (no dorking around throwing people to skew GOP).
2) Larger sample size – I really would like to see a breakdown of the states that are winner-take-all verses split Delegate. You could see a situation where popular vote and delegate may split for McCain/Mitt/Huck in a not-so-nice brokered way.
3) People against McCain are pissed off like me; like motivated to help Mitt pissed off.
SkinnerVic on January 30, 2008 at 10:04 AM
No, a bunch of old people voted for McCain in Florida. This isn’t over yet.
Hopefully the debates will get more interesting. I’d like to see the Romney I heard on Sean Hannity yesterday!
Pulchritudinous Patriot on January 30, 2008 at 10:05 AM
McVain only has about 90 delegates.
Romney has about 60.
Needed to win- 1181.
An odd time to let the MSM and Democrap spinners settle the issue.
Fight on against Capt. McShamnesty and his stalking horses.
profitsbeard on January 30, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Ouch. If that’s true, SECOND LOOK AT MYSELF.
Spirit of 1776 on January 30, 2008 at 10:05 AM
OK, so maybe the fat lady hasn’t sung yet. The Red Sox were down to the Yankees 0-3 and they came back to beat them and go on the win the World Series. Never been done before and as sweet as it was, and it was, it’s still seems kinda unbelievable. That being said, I will still vote Mitt on Tuesday just for my own mental health. What good will it do? I don’t know but I can’t live with myself if I don’t at least try.
Ugh, this makes me want to puke.
Geronimo on January 30, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Liberals hiding as “independents” have figured out how to game a system that was pretty screwed up in the first place. INDEPENDENTS should not get to vote for another PARTY’S nomination. And in a state where the Dem’s weren’t playing, they were able to cast a vote that helped their Dem friends anyway. I agree. Mitt has no real chance now, but I hope he calls out McCain for what he is in the week to come. I also hope for once he calls takes some fine parting shots at Schmuckabee as well.
Sugar Land on January 30, 2008 at 10:05 AM
McCain only won Fla because of A) Dems voting in our Primary and B) Old folks voting for a guy they can relate to.
Tony737 on January 30, 2008 at 10:05 AM
First poll after florida win is out
Rasmussen
Connecticut Republican Presidential Primary
Connecticut: McCain 42% Romney 26%
William Amos on January 30, 2008 at 10:07 AM
Look I hate to break the news to you guys but Mitt cant win. He is coming in second everywhere and evangelicals who back Huck will not back Mitt. Its over Mitt doesnt have a chance to win.
William Amos on January 30, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Tony737
You forgot one:
And C) McCain lying his a$$ off like a weasel from George Soros’s herd.
profitsbeard on January 30, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Maybe she is in the first of the stages of grief, denial. To be followed by anger, bargaining, depression then acceptance.
Huck is more likely to endorse McCain than Romney, much of his evangelical following wouldn’t migrate over to Mitt, and even if it did it wouldn’t help much in a lot of the big states.
dedalus on January 30, 2008 at 10:10 AM
…Bryan, you are an absolute beta.
MadisonConservative on January 30, 2008 at 10:11 AM
We conservatives are descended from Reagan himself…
I’ll have to remember that one.
MarkoMancuso on January 30, 2008 at 10:11 AM
William Amos-
Did Mitt come in second in Wyoming?
In Nevada?
In Michigan?
Try harder, shill for McShamnesty.
profitsbeard on January 30, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Brat on January 30, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Have you guys ever considered that Romney may not be the best candidate to win over “conservatives”? Though I don’t love McCain I’m still not convinced that Romney will be a better candidate against the dems. People are whining about independents voting but the vote was still a tie among republicans and could have went either way even if those independents would not have voted. Some people identify as independents yet still vote for republicans consistently in elections. And we do need independents to win elections, right. All the conservatives republicans in america, won’t win an election.
Complete7 on January 30, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Hardly. I dug the plot. The film just didn’t live up to the hype imho.
Bryan on January 30, 2008 at 10:14 AM
That would be me.
Geronimo on January 30, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Florida has a BIG problem. With that said, it’s not over yet. There are still plenty of states to go.
moonsbreath on January 30, 2008 at 10:15 AM
My only solace is that Florida is hardly a heavily conservative state, seeing as it’s always up for grabs in the general election and it continually elects open-borders shills like Crist, Martinez, and the Bush Bros.
Keep hope alive! X_x.
BKennedy on January 30, 2008 at 10:15 AM
How is that possible? When I went to vote, they checked my name against the roster, saw I was registered republican, and handed me the republican ballot.
They looked my wife up, saw that she was a democrat, and handed her a democrat ballot.
Unless these infiltrators are registered as republicans to complete their deception, they couldn’t have voted for a republican candidate.
tlynch001 on January 30, 2008 at 10:16 AM
I think McCain is inevitable, we need to help him get elected BUT put his feet to the fire on conservatism and try to force his hand as much as possible. If the conservative base bails on him in office, he’d lose much of his political capital. It is what it is…
I’m not sure why Mitt is the great Conservative hope either, sure he currently stands on the key issues. But I think he’d capitulate on things like Global Warming and some other liberal issues in office. We no less about him, and assuming he was playing the libs in Mass., while we know plenty about McCain….which I think is the source of the desire to pick Romney.
the main thing is beating Hillary/Obama and not letting them anywhere near the whitehouse and Foreign Policy. Paticularly while they hold the congress.
jp on January 30, 2008 at 10:16 AM
The GOP “real” voters are getting a good look at the people who are destroying their Party. Cleansing of the GOP is still in progress. The barbarians are at the gates my friends!!!
DfDeportation on January 30, 2008 at 10:16 AM
I will happily rally to Bryan’s defense. The movie was over-hyped and pales in comparison to great war movies. It is what it is, an interesting graphic novel.
Spirit of 1776 on January 30, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Thanks Bryan for the clip…good reminder not to give up.
OK all you Super Tuesday’ers – you’ve only got one choice left. Vote Mitt and let’s see what happens.
Tim on January 30, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Here’s what I know about him. Tancredo endorsed him, in part because of his record in Mass. The posters here from Mass overwhelmingly have favorable things to say about him. And I appreciate his family-oriented views.
Spirit of 1776 on January 30, 2008 at 10:21 AM
My wife wasn’t impressed either. Of course, she’s a girl…
tlynch001 on January 30, 2008 at 10:21 AM
look I backed Fred but I when he didnt do well I was pragmatic enough to say it was over. Fred could have stopped McCain because the evangelicals would have rallied around him while they will not do that for Mitt because of his mormonism.
Mitt is a flawed candidate. I never had anything against him personally I simply saw that he wouldnt get any traction in the South.
If your going to sit there and say Mitt has a chance now when he was behind in other state even before Florida I dont know what else to say to you.
The whole truth is the republican party ran a very weak feild this election cycle and we are paying the price for that. We need a conservative who can lead us with fire like Reagan did in the 80s. No one in this feild today has that. I hope to see another like reagan come along soon for republicans and apparently Im not alone in that wish.
William Amos on January 30, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Romney Loses One He Needed to Win – Robert Novak, Chicago Sun-Times
bnelson44 on January 30, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Yeah, I’m getting a little sick of independents and Democrats choosing the nominee.
It is clear that Republicans do not. want. McCain.
amkun on January 30, 2008 at 10:24 AM
I don’t like being forced into a corner, but that is what is happening. I would mmuch rather vote FOR a candidate then against one. I am a die hard Fredhead and fully intended to write his name in on Super Tuesday but I can’t in good conscience do that. The McCain train has to be derailed, and right now. It looks like I will vote on Tuesday for Romney, not because he is my choice, but rather to prevent McCain from getting the nomination.
The rest of America needs to quit falling into the hero worship of McCains military service. Hell I served 22 years but that doesn’t mean I am qualified to be president.
Here is a guy with a much more impressive resume of military service and private service who is actually running on the Republican that you have never heard of, Jerry Curry.
And he sings opera too!
Just A Grunt on January 30, 2008 at 10:26 AM
If I was in a Super Tuesday state(my state doens’t vote till May), I would want to vote for Romney. However, prioritizing on the fear of keeping the Dems out of the whitehouse and the general political mood of the country may force me to hold my nose and go McCain.
Romney’s “flip flops” and coming from Mass., just 4 years after Kerry, I think could be a disaster in the general election. His religion is an issue with many also, some conservatives will never vote for him, no matter what over it………….that said, I tend to think of a Romney/Clinton debate and think he’d do well which could go a long way.
jp on January 30, 2008 at 10:26 AM
BTW you didn’t like 300, Bryan?
amkun on January 30, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Nope. The opposite is true according to exit polls so far.
Hollowpoint on January 30, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Lets put this one to bed. Fred helped McCain.
And this one. He has won twice, and is currently 2nd in delegates.
And this one, you “feel” that way. How do you “feel” about the record turnouts they have been getting? Or by upset do you mean when Chris Matthews cried?
Spirit of 1776 on January 30, 2008 at 10:30 AM
The thought has occurred to me once or twice. OK, maybe a bit more than that…
Hollowpoint on January 30, 2008 at 10:32 AM
Let’s see, what I know about Romney:
He was what you would call a RINO when he governed Mass. Then when he wanted to run for President he all of a sudden embraced your causes. When he ran in IA he promised farm subsidies (a pander). When he ran in MI he promised to bring back the auto industry (another pander). When he ran in FL he all of a sudden supported AARP causes (another pander).
This is a guy who will promise anything to become president of the United States. I have no doubt he will tack Left during the general election and leave you all in the dust.
bnelson44 on January 30, 2008 at 10:33 AM
“Give them nothing, and take EVERY THING” -Damn good movie.
Laura Ingraham said something interesting; a McCain/Edwards ticket. The joke time is over. John McCain has no chance of beating Hillary. He will single handedly destoy the republican party. We can’t lower ourselves to their level, SHIFTING TO THE LEFT WILL NOT WORK! The better than a democrat line doesn’t work. He is a bald hillary clinton. I will not support McAmnesty. Romney or bust!
HotAirExpert on January 30, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Meh. If McCain gets it, I’ll hold my nose and pull the lever.
If it’s Mitt, I can forego the nose holding, but I’m not going to get out of my chair to help get him there. The man just doesn’t inspire.
If Huckabee is anywhere near the ticket, I’ll consider staying home.
MikeZero on January 30, 2008 at 10:34 AM
2 Democrats to choose from in November – great! The country has just become Detroit. We have had 2 liberal Democrats to choose from in the mayoral elections for years. Florida must be filled with a bunch of dumb fucks.
echosyst on January 30, 2008 at 10:34 AM
bonus pick-me-up: “Tonight, we dine in [heck]!”
locke on January 30, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Hardly. I dug the plot. The film just didn’t live up to the hype imho. – Bryan
Have ya seen the old 1961 version? “The 300 Spartans”. It was kinda cheesy in a 60’s kinda way, but more historically accurate.
Tony737 on January 30, 2008 at 10:37 AM
I follow. I’m more anti-CFR, (and those types of issues) more than anything else really.
It’s an interesting proposition. I think Obama will destroy McCain, but I think McCain might beat Hillary. I think Mitt would destroy Hillary, but I think he might lose to Obama. Add that to the fact I don’t know which is going to come out on the left ticket. I thought Hillary would, but that Kennedy endorsement followed by Edwards withdraw, I think they go to convention open.
I don’t know about the religion thing. I think that is less problematic if addressed by, for example, listing famous Americans Mormons. Don’t know though.
Spirit of 1776 on January 30, 2008 at 10:37 AM
Way too early for panic. How many media swells have we ridden already?
R. Kipling – “If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster, and treat those two Impostors just the same…”
mikeyboss on January 30, 2008 at 10:38 AM
The way Fred after he droped out made Romney the only conservative choice ? Right
Mitt won in uncontested Nevada and Montana and Michigan where his Father was governor. In all those cases he had major advantages. He has lost now in New Hampshire which he should have won being from neighboring Massachusetts and two Southern States where his Mormonism was a factor against him. That issue is not going away.
Race and gender are driving the democratic party right now. Blacks want to vote for Obama and Women for Hillary. That is driving their turnout. Come November when either gender or race wins for the democrats the other part will feel disinfranchised and be less motivated.
William Amos on January 30, 2008 at 10:39 AM
Aww is someone to wussy to stand up for conservatism. The media will tear McShamnesty to pieces. They will burry him and SHE will win.
HotAirExpert on January 30, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Here’s my pick-me-up! I trust I don’t need to identify McCain :-)
Spirit of 1776 on January 30, 2008 at 10:42 AM
That hurts my feelings.
tlynch001 on January 30, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Good pick-me-up, Bryan. I wasn’t a big fan of the movie either, but I did appreciate it’s… “enthusiasm” and machoness. If we must fight in the shade, then so be it.
Jockolantern on January 30, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Where’s the proof? A majority of the GOP are voting for McCainnedy.
I love the name McCainnedy. I’m going to start using it.
RWLA on January 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM
He stifled Huck voters in SC and most Fredheads have gone Mitt after he dropped out. Without Fred, McCain is a one hit wonder (NH, which is a state tailor made for him and one he already won).
Uncontested means that the others ceded them. Just like Rudy did in the early states. That Michigan theme may have played a part, but you will recall McCain leading the polls leading up to that primary. Mitt made a comeback.
Race and gender are driving the party, but that is in fact because the turnout has been so high. Iowa shocked the Clinton machine (read: turnout esp among youth) and so they did what they had to do. They may yet snatch defeat from the jaws of victory but if you think primary voters over there are going to mail it in on the general, well I think you have a surprise coming.
Spirit of 1776 on January 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM
You are probably right. Hillary’s negatives are very high, her husband make her seem like tired news, and McCain will do better than Bush with independents. Obama, though, probably just makes McCain look like the second coming of Bob Dole. I’m hoping for Hillary to knock off Obama.
dedalus on January 30, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Look Mitt’s mormonism does hurt him. In some places Mormons are veiws as being no different than Sceintology. Do you think Chrisitans could back a Sceintology candidate for President ? That is what Mitt faces in the South that perception.
Mitt was never a viable candidate because of that. That and he wasnt a strong enough conservative to overcome his negatives. Peole would rather back a pseudo conservative war hero than a Pseudo conservative Mormon. Its a shame but that is the truth.
William Amos on January 30, 2008 at 10:54 AM
I loved 300. LOVED it. Watching that clip still gives me shivers.
The problem we have now is that Conservatism in under full-scale attack by both Democrats AND Republicans. McCain is our hunchback Ephialtes – betrayer. We Conservatives are now a minority hold-out, and are certainly willing to “fight in the shade”. However, our warrior spirits are tamped by the reality that we HAVE NO REAL LEADER.
We are ready to go to War for our ideals…and we’re reduced to Romney? That’s why our most debonair candidate is slipping. He hardly inspires warfare – more like a manicure. Unfortunately, the hard truth is that Romney is a pale, metrosexual substitute for the Leonidas that our Conservative cause must have to survive.
Sure, people are turning to him as a last resort to stop Mccain. That’s not the same as full scale WARFARE. And I don’t think that’s going to be enough to conquer the Dems and RINO hordes.
Where is our Leonidas?
In today’s world, he wouldn’t be “electable”, according to the betas.
Redhead Infidel on January 30, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Fred drew from Huck supporters because he was more conservative than Huck and they would have never voted for Mitt. Fred could have won the South while Mitt never had a chance there.
Michigan had several other dynamics. Evangelicals are much less of a power there and the Michigan economy made Mitt’s message sharper. Add to it Mitt’s connections to the state and that made him sell in this ONE state because of all the factors involved. Michigan just had a different set of issues that all favored Mitt.
So your saying Mitt wo cant even win Republican primaries and gets repeatedly beated by McCain over independants is somehow going to now get Republicans and independants in numbers to beat Obama or Hillary ? where is the evidence of that ?
William Amos on January 30, 2008 at 10:59 AM
I know how you meant that and to a certain degree, I agree with you but to think that some people think Scientology is in the same vein as LDS makes me ashamed to be from this planet. It’s totally offensive to someone like me who was raised LDS.
Geronimo on January 30, 2008 at 11:03 AM
*…ask yourself instead, what would a free man do?”
These are rough times for the ordinary conservative warrior – to just sit and watch. Oh for the days of battling with a sword and shield!
McCain, if elected, will work to get his shamnesty travesty passed, and call it bipartisanship and seek honors and kudos for it. He has no qualms about working with Teddy Kennedy and his ilk. McCain was a fine American for serving America in the day. As a politician, he is a liberal to his roots, and afraid to claim the label.
I will not, will not, vote for McCain. I could stomach, at least voting for Romney, flip-flopper that he is.
But please! Do not yet talk concession to McCain!
McVain only has about 90 delegates.
Romney has about 60.
Needed to win- 1181.
WraithRat on January 30, 2008 at 11:03 AM
*…ask yourself instead, what would a free man do?”
These are rough times for the ordinary conservative warrior – to just sit and watch. Oh for the days of battling with a sword and shield!
McCain, if elected, will work to get his shamnesty travesty passed, and call it bipartisanship and seek honors and kudos for it. He has no qualms about working with Teddy Kennedy and his ilk. McCain was a fine American for serving America in the day. As a politician, he is a liberal to his roots, and afraid to claim the label.
I will not, will not, vote for McCain. I could stomach, at least voting for Romney, flip-flopper that he is.
But please! Do not yet talk concession to McCain!
McVain only has about 90 delegates.
Romney has about 60.
Needed to win- 1181.
WraithRat on January 30, 2008 at 11:03 AM
You’re not drawing me into an argument on Fred could have done. He proved he couldn’t win all by himself.
Heh. I bet you love McCain’s concession speech, right up your alley.
What you said has nothing to do with what you’ve cited. I’ll say it slowly for you. Obama is getting the youth vote out. Democrats are showing up in record numbers. That’s bad news for the GOP, regardless of reference to race and gender as the pattern predates it. Thanks for playing. Goodbye.
Spirit of 1776 on January 30, 2008 at 11:04 AM
to finish:
(credit to:)
profitsbeard on January 30, 2008 at 10:05 AM
profitsbeard has the best point, and it is much to early on for concession.
(hit the wrong button!)
WraithRat on January 30, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Here’s the deal folks, the Mormonator cannot beat the Clintons…period. McCain might not be able to beat them, but he has a legit chance. Hillary said last night to Wolf on CNN that the first thing she will do when elected is to have all US forces out of Iraq in the first 60 days. That should scare the shit out you if you care at all for our security or for the thousands of servicemen, like me, who risked their lives to get that place to where it is now.
Furthermore, we don’t know what kind of SCOTUS justices McCain would appoint, but we know DAMN WELL that 35 year old Ginsburg clones would be in there with Hillary.
Finally, in business, you cannot usually put together a deal that has all of the elements that you like with no down side. Our situation with respect to the US electorate is akin to our being “foreclosed on” by the country. We need to put together a work out deal that keeps our ass out of default and not unrealistically looking for a huge return, but rather to protect against a catastrophic loss.
There is no benefit to losing this election for any of us. Conservatives should put down the tissue and get with the program.
Froggy on January 30, 2008 at 11:05 AM
The problem is, Folks, the even the GOP primary voter is swallowing what the MSM is selling. The MSM is going to give us our candidate and insure he loses in November, because vidiocy rules the landscape.
The epitath? “Here lies the soul of America; slain by TV.”
michaelo on January 30, 2008 at 11:12 AM
I’m not sure why everyone thinks Mitt is such a big conservative. he’s flip flopped as much as anyone else.
Vincenzo on January 30, 2008 at 11:25 AM
I have to shamefully admit that I have never donated to a political campaign before.
I just sent Mitt’s campaign a donation.
I have to say, I feel much better.
I refuse to sit around and let McCain win if there’s something I can do to try to stop it.
EyeSurgeon on January 30, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Super Tuesday will tell. If the repubs indeed go with the goof RINO McCain on the 5th then, I think a democrap in November gets in. ‘Down the garden path’ we go. On the up side the democ-rats will surely drive the country close to ruin in 4 years. That puts a conservative, for sure, in office in 2012. I know it’s far fetched. What else do we have to look forwrd to? We’re doin’ to ourselves in this wonderful democracy. In the next 4 year we’ll have to get used to 15 million more ‘backs’ rippin’ us off, higher taxes, and a much bigger, yet unknown, muslim problem.
countywolf on January 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM
Let’s make a simple point about all these *electability* polls for November:
In FL 2007,
CNN 11/25 – 11/26 300 LV 11 17 38 9 5 Giuliani +21.0 (RCP)
About McCain vs. Clinton
CNN 12/06 – 12/09 RV 50 48 — McCain (R) +2.0
Consider the source and what you’re being fed before you believe the hype…
SkinnerVic on January 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM
You didnt like 300? Wow.
muyoso on January 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM
Many times, which is one reason why he wasn’t my choice.
But another thought has also occurred to me, an that is that Mitt was a much better candidate to win over conservatives than one who reflexively antagonizes the conservative base and revels in doing so.
BTW, I thought 300 was awesome. In this era of Western Civilization doubting itself, it was a piece of nakedly pro-Western propaganda (and I do not use that word in a pejorative sense). It pissed off American liberals, it pissed off the Jihadists, it pissed of the Mullahs in Iran – in short, it pissed off everybody it should have. At the same time, it was a great rallying cry for those of us who still believe Western Civilization is worth defending and need not apologize for its success.
thirteen28 on January 30, 2008 at 11:45 AM
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