William Amos on January 29, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Pathetic. Step by step, I’ve answered your every question and the best you can do is claim I think it not in our interest to win in Iraq. That sir, is pathetic.

Not at all. You clearly see the war on terror as a policing the world. I see the war as a war, with both hot and cold aspects.

Spirit of 1776 on January 29, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Darn now you are talking like a democrat. So Iraq isnt in the US’ interest to win ?

So now we will have hot and cold running war with the Jihaidis Im sure they appriate the breather Mitt would give them. Osama himself said he would let up on the US if we would just pull out of Muslim lands. Mitt could take him up on his offer and fight a cold war with Osama.

He says we will reach stage 3 within a year. (complete withdrawl from Iraq) is that also not the truth ?

He didn’t say within in a year, but either way, great. If we could achieve what we need to achieve within a year, that’d be great!

Isnt this all your attempt to spin a retreat as a victory ?

Hell no.

Yes but the US should move ALL of its military out of Iraq ? That is what Mitt said he would do and within one year. That my friend is a retreat not a victory.

Not at all. You clearly see the war on terror as a policing the world. I see the war as a war, with both hot and cold aspects.

It’s in the video.

Spirit of 1776 on January 29, 2008 at 4:06 PM

He says the word benchmarks. I will go on more than one word. He says we will reach stage 3 within a year. (complete withdrawl from Iraq) is that also not the truth ?

Isnt this all your attempt to spin a retreat as a victory ?

I’d respect Mitt more if he would honestly say he wants to pul out of Iraq rather than saying “We won lets go home”

Its dishonest to argue that it isnt a retreat.

Dude. That’s happening right now in various places. Iraqi police are taking the lead we are supporting them.

Spirit of 1776 on January 29, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Yes but the US should move ALL of its military out of Iraq ? That is what Mitt said he would do and within one year. That my friend is a retreat not a victory.

William Amos on January 29, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Dude. That’s happening right now in various places. Iraqi police are taking the lead we are supporting them.

Fine show me those “benchmarks” that MITT (not anyone else) has set ?

It’s in the video.

Mitt said he sees these three phases “happening relatively soon,” specifically noting that if progress is made getting to the “support role” could happen next year

“Change” SQUAK ! “Stable Iraq” SQUAK ! “BENCHMARKS” SQUAK !

“ISLAMOFACISM” SQUAK ! “IRAN NUKES” SQUAK !

When I go read his plans they dont match his buzz words

This is a lie.

Fine show me those “benchmarks” that MITT (not anyone else) has set ? Mitt says he doesnt want an unstable Iraq any clue on how that is to happen ?

A “stable” Iraq isnt just a politicians slogan Mitt gives no beef on how to make that happen.

This is a lie.

Be honest now.

I never stopped.

He says Iraq is critical. He has a 3 step plan on how to deal with it.

He has layed out a 3 step plan on how to retreat from Iraq. Be honest now.

Well, well, well, todays poll has Mitt ahead of McLyingsackofcrap by two points. I wonder if he’ll put as much stoke in todays poll as he did in yesterday’s poll?

Bwahahahaha!!

csdeven on January 29, 2008 at 1:35 AM

Nope I still quote them. In fact is some new polls where McCain is carrying NY and California in wider margins. But Im sure you will ignore those.

You are almost certainly right, but I was finishing a process here on my system, so I had the minutes to contribute to the work of the collective ombudsman hive.

No your still spining and trying to portray Mitts desire to retreat as a victory. Mitt says words but words dont mean goals. A “stable” Iraq isnt just a politicians slogan Mitt gives no beef on how to make that happen.

Keep trying maybe you can fool someone that is stupid enough to believe it

Are you making any headway with him yet? He continues to ask for answers that you have already given him. He obviously has an agenda he needs to make Mitt’s words fit into. The problem he has is that he ignores all the answers to his questions because it isn’t what he wants to hear.

I think you’re wasting your time.

csdeven on January 29, 2008 at 1:32 AM

You are almost certainly right, but I was finishing a process here on my system, so I had the minutes to contribute to the work of the collective ombudsman hive. Who knows, I might just might be making headway. We’ll see. Most people are too proud to ever acknowledge countermanding facts, so I don’t expect him to say, ‘hey I understand what you mean, that makes sense’. But if he reads it, he might think about it, and with the contributions of all here on this thread some thought-provoking comments have been made. So we’ll just see. If the same crap gets thrown up on threads in the future then I will acknowledge it a general poor use of time :-)

Well, well, well, todays poll has Mitt ahead of McLyingsackofcrap by two points. I wonder if he’ll put as much stoke in todays poll as he did in yesterday’s poll?

Bwahahahaha!!

Spirit of 1776 on January 29, 2008 at 1:07 AM

Are you making any headway with him yet? He continues to ask for answers that you have already given him. He obviously has an agenda he needs to make Mitt’s words fit into. The problem he has is that he ignores all the answers to his questions because it isn’t what he wants to hear.

I think you’re wasting your time.

Again I want to hear what GOALS Mitt has.

Stable Iraq. Ally in WOT.

What to him is a “win” in Iraq ? Isnt that a fair question also ?

Sure, again it’s in that video, and I typed it out for you upstream.

If the US military says Iraq is still unstable how long will Mitt stay ?

Don’t know, but if you are asking him to publically set a time table, I hope he doesn’t say just to appease you. No need for more bad policy, we’ve had plenty of that via leaks already thank you very much.

He says Iraq is critical. He has a 3 step plan on how to deal with it. Unless you want him to say he will stay infinity years, or you can get invited into Cabinet or military meetings, I doubt you’ll get better than that from any candidate (that isn’t promising withdraw of course).

McCain’s 100 years, by contrast, is just a rhetoric ploy to make a point about something over which he doesn’t have power.

We are victorious means we achieve our goals. In every war we’ve won, we’ve declared victory. It’s true, you can google it. When we complete our goals, we can declare victory. It’s a process, not rhetoric.

OK will accept that so is Mitt claiming that we have beaten Al qaeda completely in Iraq ? If not then should we not have no plans to withdrawl ?

Again I want to hear what GOALS Mitt has. What to him is a “win” in Iraq ? Isnt that a fair question also ? If the US military says Iraq is still unstable how long will Mitt stay ? Some Military officers have said it would by 2012 before we could drawdown will Mitt wait that long ?

REally stop with the silly deceitful spin

William Amos on January 29, 2008 at 12:34 AM

I’ve not tried to deceive anyone here, I don’t think. I certainly wouldn’t do it to someone who is having enough difficulties on their own.

We are victorious means we achieve our goals. In every war we’ve won, we’ve declared victory. It’s true, you can google it. When we complete our goals, we can declare victory. It’s a process, not rhetoric.

It means “we ARE victorious.” Not, “we DECLARE victory.”
Cuffy Meigs on January 28, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Because others say he meant “Declare victory and leave” doesnt mean its the truth either.
William Amos on January 29, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Hm, looks like only you have said declare victory. Darn those “other

Are you REALLY serious ? didnt Meigs just say “we ARE victorious.” ISNT THAT DECLARING VICTORY ???

REally stop with the silly deceitful spin

Mitt SAYS HE PLANS TO DRAW DOWN IN IRAQ. In any sense of the word that IS a withdrawl. Which the Mitt poeple spun as declaring victory and going home. Or if Mitt is to believe he still plans to stay in Iraq if things arent stable meaning he has lied about benchmarks. Or do then now not matter ? I dont know Mitt’s people keep spinning it.

Mitt now plans to fight Islamofacism via ecomonics. Uness I miss my guess many of the Arab nations are oil rich and many of the top jihadist wealthy. So Mitt wants to buy in the myth that Jihadism is caused by poverty shows a dnagerous degree of naiivity on Mitt’s part.

No Mitt wants diplomacy to win over Muslims. Well darn isnt that so Obama of him to want that ! I wish Mitt would stop stealing Democratic Ideas like Change and Diplomacy and talk like a republican. If mitt wants diplomacy does that mean he will talk with Al Qaeda ? What deal will he cut with osama ?

Ah I get it now. Romney is going to declare victory in Iraq and head home. ITS SO OBVIOUS NOW !
William Amos on January 28, 2008 at 1:53 PM

It means “we ARE victorious.” Not, “we DECLARE victory.”
Cuffy Meigs on January 28, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Because others say he meant “Declare victory and leave” doesnt mean its the truth either.
William Amos on January 29, 2008 at 12:24 AM

Hm, looks like only you have said declare victory. Darn those “others”.

Time for me to weigh in here. William Amos seems to be purposefully ignorant. It’s clear that he and “the chosen one” don’t like Romney. The former has constantly “moved the goal posts” in this exchange.

I think you missed the whole debate or youre being purpoisefully ignorant. Mitt says he plans to leave Iraq that isnt in dispute. Because others say he meant “Declare victory and leave” doesnt mean its the truth either.

The deceit is all on the Mitt people in this thread. They have spun Mitt’s stance so much I couldnt keep up with it

An Olympian God afraid of a Mormon? Are you succumbing to Mitt’s sound reasoning? Is that why you make non-sensical posts, and then run away to look for other rants to cut and paste into all your comments? Just give into the darkside Hermes. You know you want to.