Geert Wilders ripped over anti-Koran film by … U.S. military command in Afghanistan?

posted at 7:06 pm on January 28, 2008 by Allahpundit

Awful, not only on the merits but as another instance of the military taking on a State Department function. In most cases, like in Iraq, they have no choice; in this case they seem to have simply arrogated the duty to themselves. Wilders isn’t making their job easier, but the logic here seems to be that if every criticism of Islam can be twisted to jihadist ends and every jihadist end is a threat to military operations, it follows that criticism should be suspended for at least the duration of the war. No sale, boys. In fact, not only are you implicitly lining up with scum like this, the moral equivalence on display here is rancid enough to qualify for dKos. Disgraceful:

Wilders website was one of several that re-published the [Mohammed] cartoons after the initial violent demonstrations had begun, citing a defense of freedom of speech and igniting further violence…

These [jihadist] leaders have already proven they will use any means to stir the hate against anything that stands between them and the power they desire. While Wilders and the Party for Freedom stir the hate by blaming an entire religion for the actions of extremists, they also attract more of their own “fanatical” followers, increasing their own power. The headlines that resulted from the violence, the fear generated in communities around the world, an increase in “suicide bomber recruiting” all further the terrorist’s goals. While the Party for Freedom preaches hate and fear to its followers, the terrorists preach hate and vengeance to their own.

Condemning the religion that has been twisted and misused to convince the suicide bomber to put on the vest does not make the world safer from terrorism. It provides a tool the terrorists will use to place more innocent teenagers inside suicide vests and send them out into the world, seeking targets.

Exit question: How far should the “does this make the world safer from terrorism” litmus test extend?


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Exit question: How far should the “does this make the world safer from terrorism” litmus test extend?

Isnt there an old quote that “Id rather have them fear me than love me” that is applicable to Jihadism today ?

William Amos on January 28, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Freedom of speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. This is the best case of it there is in my opinion.
This fight between Radical Islam is going to get worse before it gets better but it HAS to be fought. Islamic thugs need to grow thicker skin or get dead.

Geronimo on January 28, 2008 at 7:19 PM

It provides a tool the terrorists will use to place more innocent teenagers inside suicide vests and send them out into the world, seeking targets.

Sooner or later, they’ll run out of volunteers.

BacaDog on January 28, 2008 at 7:22 PM

OT but

Mark Levin reporting Al Jezeera given priority press seating by Dems at tonights SOTU??

Deety on January 28, 2008 at 7:25 PM

The witer of this appears to be suffering from some variant of Stockholm syndrom.

snaggletoothie on January 28, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Is this really a US Military statement or a NATO (Combined Forces) statement? I’m sure some Euros would like to hit Wilders any way they could and this might just be the channel to do it. It just seems too political to be coming directly from a US military task force.

AUINSC on January 28, 2008 at 7:27 PM

First impression: They’ve gone native!

Second impression: I dare whoever wrote that rubbish to try and say it in the presence of a single one of his soldiers.

rjjago on January 28, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Unfortunately is on their site

http://cjtf-a.com/index.php/Recent-Events/Stirring-the-Hate.html

William Amos on January 28, 2008 at 7:30 PM

And UGH on the stuff on there

Imani Jaffar Mohammad, a young Muslim college student in Minneapolis had the following observation…

I was proud to see that instead of violence, American Muslims responded to the incident with press releases and offers to educate others about Islam. Here, in Minnesota, the Islamic Resource Group sent out a press release that explained the emphasis on peace in Islam and why violent reactions to the cartoon are actually contradictory to the core teachings of Islam.

William Amos on January 28, 2008 at 7:32 PM

We will be safer when our enemies are dead, not when we censor our freedom of speech.

JayHaw Phrenzie on January 28, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Unfortunately is on their site

Yeah I saw it, but that seems to be a very ‘joint’ site if you know what I mean. I’m sure it reflects the structure of the command over their where NATO has out-of-proportion media representation compared to their actual contribution. Anyway, I’m just a bit shocked that they would take a shot like that at an Allied politician, unless some other Allied politicians were somehow behind it.

AUINSC on January 28, 2008 at 7:36 PM

How many people died when Jesus, on a crucifix in a vial of urine, was put on display?

jerrytbg on January 28, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Time for these daydreamers to read the playbook of the pedophile warlord and terrorist leader, Mohammad, the “perfect man” of Islam.

Slaveholder, rapist, murderer/assassin, thief, liar and misogynist maniac.

It’s called The Koran.

Maybe it, and he, have something to do with the violence.

Criticizing these bad inspirations is blamed for the resulting evil, and not these malignant sources themselves?

Blame the messenger-itis?

Somebody with a loose laptop needs to be reassigned to KP.

Koran Patrol.

profitsbeard on January 28, 2008 at 7:42 PM

No one should be surprised by this…the United States military and this administration are proping up a Sharia regime in Afghanistan and now they are enforcing it on behalf of that government.

All the US has done in Afghanistan is replace Sharia Muslim Nazi regime A with Sharia Muslim Nazi regime B.

irish_infidel on January 28, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Just imagine the following in the 1980s

“Communism isnt a threat to anyone. Im proud to see many westerners seeing that Communism isnt a threat to their existance and that the Marx’s manifesto should be read by everyone to see he really wants peace. We should have a debate about Communism rather than proclamations about hate and violence in trying to fight it”

William Amos on January 28, 2008 at 7:47 PM

The Dutch and the Brits are beginning to realize that their assimilation policies haven’t worked out so well. It’s been a rude awakening to realize they don’t want to assimilate, they want to rule your ass.

BacaDog on January 28, 2008 at 7:49 PM

This is retarded. Refusing to defend our culture because to do so will increase the risk of terrorism is just a coward’s lame excuse. We have allowed gutless ninnies to frame our society’s response to Islamic encroachment.

Go Geert – I’ll join your phalanx anytime.

T J Green on January 28, 2008 at 7:50 PM

I find this odd coming from people whose job is to defend other people’s right to express themselves without being threatened, jailed or killed for it.

bojack on January 28, 2008 at 8:02 PM

Combined Joint Task Force-82 (CJTF-82) is a U.S.-led subordinate command of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF).

From the CJTF-82 website.
And that post came from:

Written by CJTF-82 Operations

I mean, is that kind of thinking really popular amongst our military? Lie down and crawl or you might get hurt? I mean, amongst non-Beauchamp types.

apollyonbob on January 28, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Articles like this increase the rise of terrorism too. Afterall, it shows that their plan is working.

Luckedout on January 28, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Having Mr. Islam’s in strategic locations pays off.

[email protected] on January 28, 2008 at 8:15 PM

I just emailed ISAF my disgust on their position.

[email protected] on January 28, 2008 at 8:27 PM

If that is a NATO release I’m not suprised, but if it is a US Military release I am shocked by it. You can’t preach freedom of speech and get mad when people choose to do so.

limowilliam on January 28, 2008 at 8:47 PM

This has been my problem with this administration. If they believed one thing, but were saying another in order to advance our cause, I could understand that. But when they have gone out of their way to speak in a pro-Islamic manner in cases where they could have maintained silence (like this one), it does not encourage me.

Connie on January 28, 2008 at 8:53 PM

These [jihadist] leaders have already proven they will use any means to stir the hate against anything that stands between them and the power they desire. While Wilders and the Party for Freedom stir the hate by blaming an entire religion for the actions of extremists, they also attract more of their own “fanatical” followers, increasing their own power.

Wilders’ “fanaticism” happens to be defending who we are in Western culture, our fabulous wonderful Judeo-Christian/secular society which has historically made life a gift to far larger percentage of the population than any other culture. Now, most non-Western cultures have adopted the views that makes our civilization so successful and so happy with one notable exception. That exception should not be allowed to make Earth a hell world, because we and the many non-Western cultures that now share our path are afraid to fight for our survival.

thuja on January 28, 2008 at 8:56 PM

This is clearly way beyond the purview of the Joint Task Force and they make a huge mistake by dipping their toes in the Netherlands’s waters.

I do think that the idea that the Koran should be banned is the wrong approach (if I understand correctly what Wilders proposes in this short film) but I don’t give a flip about the bruised feelings of ignorant thugs who are so offended that they riot as a result.

However, I don’t even understand what the Joint Task Force are getting at. On the one hand our soldiers, representing the Land of the Free are in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban and AQ (who ban all forms of creative expression including kite flying).

But paradoxically the joint task force who oversee these operations blame free speech for violence (instead of blaming the fanatics who riot over nothing) but then go on to cite peaceful reactions in (civilized) countries like the U.S. and Canada.

What is their point exactly? Don’t offend religious fanatics, but if you do, hope they don’t go crazy?

Egregiously, for all the rehashing about fanatics killing fanatics, nowhere do they mention the publishers who were imprisoned for publishing these cartoons.

What a mess.

Buy Danish on January 28, 2008 at 8:58 PM

where’s joe mccarthy now that we really need him?

state, the pentagon, the cia – teeming with symps and spies.

reliapundit on January 28, 2008 at 9:18 PM

What in the Name of God is going on in our Military?

How DEEP in the infiltration of the Islamofascists?

First the firing of the one guy in Military Intelligence who traced the lines of Terror to Muslim agents – spearheaded by a guy named “Mohammed”

And now, THIS!!

It is TIME to start an Ethnic Cleansing of Muslims in our Military!!

grtflmark on January 28, 2008 at 10:04 PM

If Wilders is “stirring the hate”, who made the stew in the first place?

labrat on January 28, 2008 at 10:19 PM

I just emailed ISAF my disgust on their position.

[email protected] on January 28, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Ditto!!!

labrat on January 28, 2008 at 10:20 PM

is there a place we can send support to Wilders???

colep on January 28, 2008 at 10:24 PM

is there a place we can send support to Wilders???

colep on January 28, 2008 at 10:24 PM

His website

Connie on January 28, 2008 at 10:34 PM

Thanks Connie!

colep on January 28, 2008 at 10:35 PM

“Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bast*#ds who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-b*#ch Hitler. Just like I’d shoot a snake!”

– General George S. Patton, Jr

What has happened to our military? Where are the “Pattons” of today?

labrat on January 28, 2008 at 10:40 PM

I understand we should all be giving the Dutch PM a high five, but he looks like a jerk in his picture. Can we get some baby pictures? I’m sure we’ll be able to get some from his funeral, which will no doubt be soon after the release of his film.

AbaddonsReign on January 28, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Exit question: How far should the “does this make the world safer from terrorism” litmus test extend?

The other question is: “What will it take to convince you guys of the dangers of radical Islam? Should we pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan like Spain did after the Madrid bombings and then have the audacity to scratch our heads and wonder why they are still try to tattack us (like Spain just recently)?”
Giving into somone’s threats will not give you peace and security. Just like a childhood bully, give radical Islam an inch they will take a mile (or orgs like CAIR can take everyone to court to get their way by playing victim and crying discrimination). They are a bloody bully with a brain, and patient as well. They refuse assimilation for a reason: it is a tactic. Appeasement will only let them push us into a corner and from there it may be too late to fight. Appeasement never worked in Europe, why would it work here? I sure dont want cars set on fire here every night like France. Do you.?

El Guapo on January 28, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Instead of the messenger, these guys should be shooting more jihadists.

Grayson on January 28, 2008 at 10:59 PM

And my above comment is in NO WAY a braud generization of all muslims, like I know some liberal is going to accuse it of being. I said “RADICAL Islam”, not all of Islam.

El Guapo on January 28, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Gordon England Hesham Islam

Claudia Rosette (spell?) is doing great work at Pajamas Media with this topic. And NO kissing up to Islam is not a real popular thing in the military, at least not at O-5 and below.

funky chicken on January 28, 2008 at 11:06 PM

William Amos on January 28, 2008 at 7:47 PM

You got the wrong decade. That was from an NYT editorial around 1965 wasn’t it? I seem to remember reading that just after I came home from a deployment.

Oldnuke on January 28, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Isnt there an old quote that “Id rather have them fear me than love me” that is applicable to Jihadism today ?

William Amos on January 28, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Oderint dum metuant!

“Let them hate, so long as they fear”

Frozen Tex on January 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM

Unbelieveable. I thought that dhimmi undermining of western democratic ideals was the job of the State Department.

Jaibones on January 28, 2008 at 11:42 PM

This Wilders guy and Ezra Levant are my new heroes. Standing up to fascists earns you some mighty respect.

Clark1 on January 29, 2008 at 1:35 AM

We can be safe from terrorism or we can be free. It is our choice. I hope we make the correct one.

I regret that I have but one life to give to my countrymen.

herself on January 29, 2008 at 3:43 AM

Exit question: How far should the “does this make the world safer from terrorism” litmus test extend?

We could always just submit. Then it will all go away.

tommylotto on January 29, 2008 at 8:20 AM

Go, Geert, Go!

Spanglemaker on January 29, 2008 at 9:01 AM

Wilders’ “fanaticism” happens to be defending who we are in Western culture, our fabulous wonderful Judeo-Christian/secular society which has historically made life a gift to far larger percentage of the population than any other culture. thuja

.

Ah, the Jews & the Christians understand that THIS Battle is a Battle of ‘Principalities’…that Heralds the Final Battle that defeats all evil. It is the secularist & their aversion to all things ‘GOD’ who have given us the perfect climate for unconditional surrender….
multiculturalism….that Brave New World where all paths lead to God…..& drug use won’t make you stupid.

However, it is interesting how many ‘non-believers’ ‘GET IT!!’ concerning the nation of throat-slitters.

Enlightenment is a strange & curious path.
O Glorious accident which caused our salvation.
Whatever, we figure it out or we die.
https://secure.responseenterprises.com/saf_video/?a=1279
Multiculturalism, that Bastion of mindless self-indulgence.

lobosan5 on January 29, 2008 at 11:27 AM

or here…how about THIS for incitement of hatred!!!
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1201523785521&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

lobosan5 on January 29, 2008 at 11:35 AM

I like the guy. If people keep being quiet and trying to make the “islamofascists” as anything but crazy, and that their civilization is “retarded” as he said, well it’ll continue. Time to stand up

spacekicker on January 29, 2008 at 12:24 PM

Karl Rove strikes again!

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corona on January 29, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Beyond sick of reading stuff like this. Where are the Christian terrorists calling for the deaths of Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens? Why aren’t all the people who criticize the Bible and call it nonsense being terrorized by angry Christians for “igniting hatred”? Christopher Hitchens can go around lecturing about how God is a ridiculous concept and Christianity is a joke, yet Ayaan Hirsi Ali gives lectures criticizing Islam and she needs armed guards around the clock. Unbelievable.

mattyj86 on January 29, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Unfortunately, we have some confused and soft-headed officers on our side writing memos. Criticism doesn’t kill people, Muslims do. Claiming a critical movie is the cause of Muslim hate is like claiming that sitting down at a segregated lunch counter is the cause of racist hate. It is foolish to try to appease the unappeasable Muslims, who have a robust facility for contriving grievances. The moral error is shifting the blame from the aggressor to the victim. The solution is for the weak-minded on our side to abandon their dhimmi thinking and stand up for our civilization, instead of caving in to theirs. Pin the blame on the Muslims for their intolerance and keep it pinned there until they accept freedom of speech, at least in our world if not in theirs.

Tantor on January 29, 2008 at 3:58 PM

Tantor-

“Criticism doesn’t kill people, Muslims do”

I bet Geert wishes he’d said that.

profitsbeard on January 29, 2008 at 5:21 PM

I understand we should all be giving the Dutch PM a high five, but he looks like a jerk in his picture.

I’m glad to see you were able to immediately get to the substance of what he said…

AUINSC on January 29, 2008 at 7:45 PM