Video: McCain, Graham, Huckabee continue to smear Romney on Iraq
posted at 3:08 pm on January 27, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I posted part of the old GMA interview in yesterday’s item on this but the video doesn’t have the full quote. Let’s remedy that now:
QUESTION: Iraq. John McCain is there in Baghdad right now. You have also been very vocal in supporting the president and the troop surge. Yet, the American public has lost faith in this war. Do you believe that there should be a timetable in withdrawing the troops?
MR. ROMNEY: Well, there’s no question but that — the president and Prime Minister al-Maliki have to have a series of timetables and milestones that they speak about. But those shouldn’t be for public pronouncement. You don’t want the enemy to understand how long they have to wait in the weeds until you’re going to be gone. You want to have a series of things you want to see accomplished in terms of the strength of the Iraqi military and the Iraqi police, and the leadership of the Iraqi government.
QUESTION: So, private. You wouldn’t do it publicly? Because the president has said flat out that he will veto anything the Congress passes about a timetable for troop withdrawals. As president, would you do the same?
MR. ROMNEY: Well, of course. Can you imagine a setting where during the Second World War we said to the Germans, gee, if we haven’t reached the Rhine by this date, why, we’ll go home, or if we haven’t gotten this accomplished we’ll pull up and leave? You don’t publish that to your enemy, or they just simply lie in wait until that time. So, of course, you have to work together to create timetables and milestones, but you don’t do that with the opposition.
The whole point of this line of attack is to lump Romney in with the Democrats as quitters; the fact that he’s vowing here to veto any Democratic timetables puts the lie to it. Question for Maverick, then: What’s the problem with Bush and Maliki making up a schedule of things they’d like to see happen by certain dates, provided that a missed deadline doesn’t automatically trigger withdrawal? The objection to Democratic-style “tripwire” timetables is that they contemplate pulling out before our goals are achieved. Nowhere does Romney recommend that. He does allude to eventual withdrawal, but so what? Unless McCain’s suggesting that we should stay in Iraq forever even if we’re not needed, as some sort of lobotomized test of resolve, then what’s the harm in looking ahead to getting out? Accomplish the mission, then leave. Wake me when Romney says something that omits the first part of that statement.
Three clips for you, then. First and most boringly, McCain himself repeating this bogus charge on MTP this morning, replete with impressive index card. Does crack interviewer Tim Russert press him on a transparent distortion of Romney’s argument? Did he press him about Juan Hernandez? [Update: I'm having trouble getting the McCain clip to play. If you are too, click here and then click the little McCain thumbnail in the right sidebar. That seems to solve the problem.]
Skip the McCain clip if you’re short on time and watch these two of his lackeys carrying his water for him. Hannity does to Graham exactly what Russert should have done to Maverick, but understandably gives up when the stonewalling becomes too painful and pathetic to watch. This doesn’t even qualify as spin, any more than “I know you are but what am I?” would.
And here’s the stalking horse, clinging to life so that he can perform one last “good” deed by kneecapping Romney on Super Tuesday. You’ve never heard McCain be dishonest, Huck? Consult with your immigration guru on that.
Exit question: Remember Romney’s heavy-handed hints last year about pulling out and heading home in defeat if the benchmarks he proposed weren’t met? No? That’s because it wasn’t Romney.
U.S. Sen. John McCain, a Republican from Arizona, said on Saturday he was preparing a resolution setting a series of targets for the Iraqi government as a “last chance” effort to reverse U.S. failure…
“I cannot guarantee success but I can guarantee the consequences of failure,” said McCain, an outspoken member of the Senate Armed Services Committee who supports President George W. Bush’s plan to sent 21,500 troops to Iraq. “This is our last chance in many respects.”…
It would take three to six months after the deployment of the new troops, which is possible in May, to know whether the Iraqi government was making progress in meeting the benchmarks, McCain said.
“It’s taken us four years to get into this debacle and it’s going to take some time to get us out,” he said.
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Laurie Dhue: “Hey, CHOSEN ONE, um would you off my husband?”
Chosen One: ” I thought you’d never ask, heck I’ll even throw in a torturning for free!”
THE CHOSEN ONE on January 27, 2008 at 7:26 PM
obamabigotmuslim:
I’m so sick of you always coming in here to get your little jabs in at Christians and trying to discredit Christianity and personally insulting me.
I know you claim that God is not a loving God but is only a vengeful and cruel God…but it is not true!
But do understand that when you claim that Christ is not God and is a just a man and say I shouldn’t follow Christ..understand that you are speaking the antiChrist spirit…
It is demonic!
If you reject Christ you WILL go to Hell!
Hell is worse than the the worst thing you can imagine and no one should go there!
No more anti-Christian demonic bigotry from you please.. it is very offensive to me and many others I’m sure!
HaraldHardrada on January 27, 2008 at 7:26 PM
“Pot”… meet “Kettle”!
ErikTheRed on January 27, 2008 at 7:30 PM
I think old har-dee-har-har is a classic example of a fairly new condition called “keyboard touretts syndrome”
Never gets into a real discussion with anyone. Just belts out crap all the time.
conservnut on January 27, 2008 at 7:34 PM
Was Machiavelli a philosopher?
RushBaby on January 27, 2008 at 7:41 PM
NTWR at 7:22 PM Getting warmer! Scorching almost…
RushBaby on January 27, 2008 at 7:51 PM
You’re exactly right about romney.. he was for a secret withdrawal plan because it was popular at the time.
Now he is running from those same statements that he would of turned around and used to his advantage had the surge turned south.
Romney has no convictions ZERO..ZILCH!
There goes Romney again…blowing in the wind!
HaraldHardrada on January 27, 2008 at 8:01 PM
When someone (like me!) mentions The Rough Riders how many Huckabee supporters would immediately think you were referring to the lyrics to DMZ’s Ruff Riders (***Warning! Vulgar, violent, and racist lyrics***)
Here’s where he did it, and it was exactly 2 minutes after I posted a comment which he had to read and then reply to, so this was not the result of a Google Search.
Let me guess! He’s familiar with this garbage because he volunteers for his church to help out inner- city youth.
/sarc.
Buy Danish on January 27, 2008 at 8:03 PM
“It’s not AMNESTY either”…BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha
DfDeportation on January 27, 2008 at 8:06 PM
I will vote for Romney before I vote for a No borders McCain!!
build the wall on January 27, 2008 at 8:12 PM
oooh, I know, HH is really AllahPundit just testing us…
Yes?
NTWR on January 27, 2008 at 8:13 PM
How can ANY conservative vote for McCain?
Keating 5
The amnesty bill
McCain Feingold
The Gang of 14
His close association and adoration of the likes of Ted Kennedy, etc.
This guy is a pompous, self impressed insider with a bad temper. He is exactly what the country does not need.
Remember his quote: “They want a fence, we’ll give them their G..Damned fence.” Who in the Hell does he think he is?
woodswalking1 on January 27, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Just got an ice cube in my hot cuppa. Emphatic NO, and forget what I said. Later.
RushBaby on January 27, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Well, the spelling and grammar in the lyrics are about as poor as the spelling and grammar of his posts. Coincidence? Happenstance? I think not.
ErikTheRed on January 27, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Damn. Didn’t mean to Huck it up.
NTWR on January 27, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Right now, Billary are praying for a Romney victory Teusday.
THE CHOSEN ONE on January 27, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Does that OS have the EnCarter Big Book of Jew Horns Encyclopedia free or is it one of those cheesy “freeware” things that you have to register to get the full-blown “Protocols of Zionism” version.
BKennedy on January 27, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Yes, on Teusday all the teuls will be praying against a victory for our country, that’s for sure.
NTWR on January 27, 2008 at 8:25 PM
I welcome the fact that there is more breadth of opinion now, and I cannot support complaints about that because, for one thing, that could rightly be construed as intimidating.
It is one thing to object to a few particular obnoxious commenters and to take them on directly, but to complain that the presence of new voices is objectionable and thus make them feel unwelcome is in itself objectionable.
Buy Danish on January 27, 2008 at 8:28 PM
For one thing, unless you have any evidence of this claim (which you don’t because it’d be all over), this basically you just saying “I don’t like Romney, but I can’t make an articulate case against him so I’ll just make up something about t3h Hilldebeast and her wife liking him. That’ll show ‘em!!!”
Even if it was true, people should vote for the candidate who they believe will lead the country in a manner most consistent with their political beliefs.
ErikTheRed on January 27, 2008 at 8:29 PM
That’s kinda my point.
Buy Danish on January 27, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Wall Street/Journal poll came out thursday showed Mac beating both donkeys. Mitt got murdered vs the same two.
Stop living in ideologicville and take a trip to realityville please. I’ll take Straight Talk Express over the Clintons any day.
THE CHOSEN ONE on January 27, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Please, someone explain to me how candidates can appear before church audiances with political speeches and/or ministers in the pulpit direct their flock to vote this or that way on certain issues? For one, I’d stand up and walk right on out the door, secondly - why has their tax exempt status not been questioned? This applies to all the candidates, no matter whether Repub or Dem.
24K lady on January 27, 2008 at 8:34 PM
One more time for THE CONFUSED ONE
Gallup Poll Jan 1980
Carter 63%
Reagan 32%
Polls 11 months out and BEFORE the nominees are chosen are worthless. They are nothing more than a test of name recognition.
EJDolbow on January 27, 2008 at 8:35 PM
What’s offensive is that Jesus Christ has guys like you in his corner. The company you keep and what-not… You’re just like the candidate you support: full of empty rhetoric and acting like only you are the only people capable of divining What Jesus Would Do.
And you call ME the bigot! You’re the only who can’t accept that Mormons are Christians, too. You’re the one who claims to follow the teachings of JC and yet the only stuff out your mouth are lies. I called you out on a lie the other night and you dropped the F-bomb on me! Too funny.
What a blasphemer you are.
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Seriously, you think that poll has any relevance beyond generating a few column-inches that will be forgotten by next week? That’s like trying to predict the overall state of the economy by the whatever tomorrow’s Dow Jones Industrial Average does.
ErikTheRed on January 27, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Because both sides are terrified of upsetting that little apple cart? Sickening, really.
ErikTheRed on January 27, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Way to go back thirty years to stick it to me. Nice.
THE CHOSEN ONE on January 27, 2008 at 8:38 PM
But stick it to you he did. And quite well.
ErikTheRed on January 27, 2008 at 8:39 PM
I was being sarcastic. This is a different time and age with mass communication. You can’t possibly be serious. There was no Fox news, no internet, no balance. Get real junior.
THE CHOSEN ONE on January 27, 2008 at 8:45 PM
HebrewToYouobamabigotmuslim on January 27, 2008 at 8:36 PMI told you NEVER to address me again obamabigotmuslim..
Leave me alone jew hater!
HaraldHardrada on January 27, 2008 at 8:53 PM
I told you if you don’t agree with the republican party platform get out of the party!!
The dems appreciate anti semitic jew haters and Christian bashers like you and they also love abortion like you do….go home!!!
HaraldHardrada on January 27, 2008 at 8:55 PM
This from a Mormon hater? Rich.
EyeSurgeon on January 27, 2008 at 8:55 PM
eyesurgeon,
I don’t hate mormons, I love them.
HaraldHardrada on January 27, 2008 at 8:57 PM
ROFL
I love watching Trolls self-destruct.
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Let’s see … January 2004, Howard Dean had a commanding lead in the Democratic primary. Worked out well for him.
January 2000, Bush 56% - Gore 39%. Result was right, but the margin is waaaaaay off.
January 1996 - Bill Clinton was embroiled in scandal and almost written off.
ErikTheRed on January 27, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Hebrewtoyouobamabigotmuslim here says he hates jews and said he is planning on voting for obama!HaraldHardrada on January 27, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Let me guess - with a side of potatoes?
ErikTheRed on January 27, 2008 at 8:59 PM
COME ON obamabigotmuslim:
You can’t run from your words you nazi!
You liberal nazi muslim!
COME ON FESS UP!
HaraldHardrada on January 27, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Your anti semitism is sickening
Hebrewtoyouobamabigotmuslim,How can you hate someone just because of their race you bigot!
You’re despicable!
ADMIT IT!
HaraldHardrada on January 27, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Aaaaaaaaand… Godwin’s Law is invoked.
ErikTheRed on January 27, 2008 at 9:05 PM
I hate watching Gomer Pyle reruns on this Web site. But, that Goober Lindsey sure is a funny one. I like the episode where he is kicked out of the Senate to return to Mayberry to work on cars.
saved on January 27, 2008 at 9:06 PM
.
nope…Hardy Har and the HOSED ONE are trolls
any actual believers in the Huckster or McLiar would have hung themselves by now
windansea on January 27, 2008 at 9:06 PM
The jig is up Harald. Everyone here knows your true nature by now. You’re done.
Buh Bye. . . See you later. . . Drive careful. . . Bye now. . .Buh Bye. . . Have a nice night. . .
Troy Rasmussen on January 27, 2008 at 9:08 PM
This goes for you too
eriktheredbigotcoward!You weak anti-Christian bigot!
COME GET SOME!
You think you can just go around spouting demonic anti-Christian garbage and no one will call you out!
You want to insult 2.2 billion people?
You weak coward bigot!
HaraldHardrada on January 27, 2008 at 9:08 PM
simple, tell them to look at actual vote counts
windansea on January 27, 2008 at 9:10 PM
BKennedy on January 27, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Carter 2.0 lures you in with the freeware vibe, but then it asks you to register for a fee before it naturally hijacks your entire OS. It erases most music from your HD and then it corrupts all your .jpegs . Be careful because it could take four years to reboot the system. Most HD’s infected require a clean sweep and format. I recommend removing and burning the HD.
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Why do Erik and Hebrew get sweet new names? I want one too, but I would prefer a symbol, like Prince. That’s if McHuckabee approves of Prince. I don’t want to insult Harald the high priest of threadjacking.
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Oh yeah, hardyharhar loves me so much as a Mormon that he blurts out lies about my beliefs and acts like I’m less than human because I’m not his kind of Christian. No thanks!
If the Clintons truly want Romney as the nominee then they are stupid. Romney will mop the floor with Hillary in the first debate. She can’t even handle Obama and he’s a light weight.
Zombie Reagan in ‘08!
drflykilla on January 27, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Hey,am I on the correct string? I thought this was about Romney, and all of a sudden a religious war breaks out! Cool it, champions of faith!
Romney is doing great-if he weren’t, none of the others would be attacking him. Watching him answer questions during the debate the other night, I had a feeling that the others-Guliani, Huck and McCain-all knew that they were listening to the next President of the United States.
And so the attacks heat up. I mentioned in church tonight that I found it troubling for a Baptist minister(Huckabee) to be dumping on anyone-we’re not supposed to smear, or bear false witness, no matter what is at stake.
Be cool, brothers and sisters-there’s a lot of election yet to happen.
Doug on January 27, 2008 at 9:20 PM
What in blue blazes is this guy talking about? Harald, you’re really embarrassing yourself. What race of people have I somehow offended? I suggest you go back and read the thread you appear to be misquoting.
In any case, to address your very logical concerns…
1) If Huckabee, McCain or Romney are nominated by the GOP I’ll be voting for Obama. I’ve provided a strong rationale for that stance which I’d be happy to repeat for you if necessary.
2) I’m no liberal. I have lived amongst them my entire life, though, giving me a unique understanding of the Social-Progressive agenda.
3) I’m no National Socialist. I think socialism is an empty ideology and I’ve no use for Identity Politics whatsoever.
I think that covers all your talking points.
You seem to dislike that I point out your faux-christianity for all to see. You also seem to dislike that I show no passion for Israel. Well, that’s because I have a very firm opposition to any nation founded on a single religious identity. I come from a long line of Jews and have been educated thoroughly in Judaica. I’m just not a zionist. So sue me.
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Hebrew:
You’ll lose him in that argument. Huckabee and his supporters are good for one or two points before the eyes glaze. Stick to one-liners and knock-knock jokes, you’ll get through quicker.
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 9:28 PM
I’m just giving this Evangelical enough rope to hang himself with. He’s actually on-the-record with his anti-Mormon rhetoric. As csdeven might say, the gibot is strong in this one.
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Hot Heads would well not to let certain comments/group of commenters provoke them to respond… Really.
RushBaby on January 27, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Hebrew:
He’s not even slick about it… at least mix in a just askin’ like his grand poobah Huckabee. As fast as anyone can type, however, he just does the cut and paste from his nutjob text file, and voila’, we’re inundated with Huck.
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 9:33 PM
RushBaby on January 27, 2008 at 9:31 PM
That’s a great point. From reading the usage policies there are certain things that can get you shut down from commenting. How many religious groups do you have to offend before AP finally waxes you? Also, how much troll vomiting does AP allow on the carpet?
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Ummmmmm,I thought this thread was about Romney
being smeared,and not about commenters smearing
commenters!
canopfor on January 27, 2008 at 9:40 PM
nice, I had the same pre-visualization
President Romney has a nice ring to it
windansea on January 27, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Doug / RushBaby, don’t worry… it’s not really a religious debate per se, we’re just being entertained by a Huck-a-troll. I’m pretty sure that the rest of us are laughing the whole thing off while we skewer him. I know, I know… argue with idiots on the Internet and you risk becoming as stupid as them… But it’s cheap entertainment on a Sunday afternoon.
ErikTheRed on January 27, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Wow, I’ve read this blog for a long time now, and was part of the newby class of spring 2007 (two “open for newcomers” ago), but I’ve got to say that this new class of newbies is really something.
I used to enjoy reading the comments, though I don’t often comment myself, but recently I’ve found myself rolling my eyes and going on to the next post. It’s like we have a bunch of junior high school beta males ruling the comment pages now.
p40tiger on January 27, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Keep Harald posting. It’s driving up Mitt’s polling numbers. I know how Harald loves poles. RCP has Romney up .1, trending upwards.
Thanks Har
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Hmm.. this thread seems to have gone a bit haywire.
So as not to be left out of the hubbub, I’d like to contribute something to this wayward direction.
As far as Zionism - Am Yisrael Chai!
TexasJew on January 27, 2008 at 9:52 PM
I’m happy
2 weeks ago I was a Romney troll and now I’m in the majority
to the HA regulars and true conservatives
saludos
welcome to the Mitt
windansea on January 27, 2008 at 9:52 PM
We must stop McCain/Huckabee!!
Romney/Thompson08!
ConservativePartyNow on January 27, 2008 at 9:55 PM
TxJ:
Please educate: what does Am Yisrael Chai! translate to? I’ve not heard of this saying before.
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 9:56 PM
“He [Lucifer]strove to gain the birthright of his Elder Brother, Jesus the Christ.” - John A. Widstoe (Mormon Apostle)
“In that distant past, antedating the creation of the earth, Satan, then Lucifer, a son of the morning, had been rejected; and the Firstborn Son had been chosen.” -James E. Talmage (Mormon theologian)
“This name-title of Satan (Son of the Morning), indicates he was one of the early born spirit children of the Father.” - Bruce McConkie (Mormon theologian)
“Who will redeem the earth, who will go forth and make the sacrifice for the earth and all things it contains?” The Eldest Son said: “Here am I”; and then he added, “Send me.” “But the second one, which was “Lucifer, Son of the Morning,” said, “Lord, here am I, send me, I will redeem every son and daughter of Adam and Eve that lives on the earth, or that ever goes on the earth.” -Brigham Young
“In the wilderness of Judaea, on the temple’s pinnacles and on the high mountain, a momentous contest took place between two brothers, Jehovah and Lucifer, sons of Elohim.”
- Spencer Kimball(Mormon prophet)
WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER THINK MORMONS BELIEVED THAT JESUS AND SATAN WERE/ARE BROTHERS?!?
HERMES on January 27, 2008 at 10:06 PM
They are not smearing him, this guy is John Kerry redeux. He has so many positions are so many things….why do people on this message board like this guy? Kerry was a flip flopper, why is it a smear to call out Romney for the same. How can we as conservatives go after Kerry, which he deserved, and yet defend Romney? Good for Huck and Mac.
arizonateacher on January 27, 2008 at 10:09 PM
HERMES on January 27, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Oh Hermes, welcome, welcome. Are you HarHar’s older brother? I can see the family resemblance…. ALL CAPS??!!??!?? and the cut and paste is quite nice. How does your cut and paste diatribe differ from Bill and Hill’s race baiting? What does the information you linked to offer to a up or down vote for Romney? What substantive current issues relate to Christ and Satan’s relations?
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 10:11 PM
arizonateacher on January 27, 2008 at 10:09 PM
This is a tired argument of no substance. Where is the linkage? Where has he flipped on issues? The only good for Huck and Mac is that the MSM is not illuminating their flips. But, forgive me, let’s stick to the issue at hand. Where is Mitt flipping?
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Checking to see if my comments are getting through…
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 10:15 PM
The Nation of Israel lives!
It’s commonly heard in the lyrics of a Hebrew song. The phrase is repeated as part of the chorus. Cool song.
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 10:16 PM
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Thank you, I appreciate it. Many times people, myself included, pay lip service to supporting Israel, without knowing too much about the culture.
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Wow. I step away for a few days and the fur flies!
Anyway, this Ex-Fredhead has taken a SECOND LOOK AT MITT.
Mittfans, Smittens, I’m with ya.
NickTx on January 27, 2008 at 10:20 PM
You’re welcome. No worries at all.
Israel is a good ally to the United States, but they have real issues with controlling their Religious Right.
Back of the Israel Bus
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 10:21 PM
It really takes the pressure off the rest of us noobs. It would be hard to top that level of drivel.
It was the same kind of crud on all the Fred threads. Any thoughts on what HH will be posting after super Tuesday when the Huck is no more?
I supposed I would have some level of respect for your posts HH if the posts were even slightly reasoned out. You say the same thing over and over again hoping it will be true. You come across as mean spirited and ill informed.
USBB on January 27, 2008 at 10:25 PM
“Am Yisrael Chai” is Hebrew for “The people of Israel Live”.
In other words - a Zionist motto. I wasn’t trying to be ironic, just Jewish.
Sorry I started into the religious area, it seems this thread is getting a bit thick with it.
Oh, and even though the Mormons would consider me, my wife, our parents and our little 8-year old daughter/Hebrew scholar Gentiles (!?), I still love ‘em!
Romney 2008!
TexasJew on January 27, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli (May 3, 1469 – June 21, 1527) was an Italian diplomat, political philosopher, musician, poet, and playwright. He is a figure of the Italian Renaissance and a central figure of its political component…excerpt from Wikipedia.
Entelechy on January 27, 2008 at 10:27 PM
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Good link. Law and culture can take a life of it’s own, to the point of sacrificing self-rights. It’s an excellent reminder to remain vigilant…. ensure the government doesn’t impose any restrictions not prescribed by the constitution… whether they are cultural, religious, etc. When we go down that road, everyone suffers.
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 10:29 PM
TexasJew on January 27, 2008 at 10:25 PM
You’re not considered Gentiles. You would be considered of the tribe of Judah.
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Glad you liked it. The circumstances reminded me of exactly what I fear from a Huckabee nomination. Religion is an awesome personal motivator, but a terrible partner for governing.
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 10:35 PM
To vance and cdseven and other like-minded…
I know this is off topic but President Hinckley passed. I will miss him tremendously.
KSL Link
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Cold Steel,
Thanks for the link. I’ll miss him too, especially his sense of humor. Pres. Hinckley’s been a hero to me since I was a child growing up in the church. It will be weird not having him around.
No matter what others may think of Hinckley’s religion, they can’t deny that he was a kind man and did a lot of g ood. RIP Gordon B. Hinckley
drflykilla on January 27, 2008 at 10:43 PM
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Religion is a manner of conscience. It should never be about force. When it is about force, it moves people away from it’s mission. If our nation believes in the free exercise, then we must protect that.
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Being a Fred!head I too am taking a SECOND LOOK AT MITT. I fought hard for Fred!, sparred with the saint CSD(war’s over right?), maxed out my donation limit and phoned for Fred. But alas, Fred was rejected by the establishment. Not that Fred’s campaign was without faults, if I were Fred I would kick his campaign manager right in the numbers. Fred got a WHOLE lot of bad advice. In hindsight I pinpoint the July 4th debacle as the beginning and end of Fred being competitive.
With that being said, the next viable candidate for me is Mitt. I just wish the MSM would stay objective, but that will never happen, the elites feel they know better and try to sway opinion to be inline with theirs.
The real question that I wrestling with, as are many others I’m sure, is what do I do if the nominee is McCain? I am not worried about Huckabee. If the GOP establishment taps McCain will it destroy the GOP? Forever divided between the conservative base and the so called Maverick base.
Sammy316 on January 27, 2008 at 10:45 PM
That’s completely beside the point. There are more wicked things at work here than horking and hammering.
RushBaby on January 27, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Yes
Yes
RushBaby on January 27, 2008 at 10:50 PM
I think the GOP will be destroyed if either McCain, Romney or Huckabee win the nomination. All three stand to truly disenfranchise a big cross-section of the party. I’ll be re-registering as an Independent after CA’s Feb. 5 primary — I’ll be voting for Fred! since he’ll still be on the ballot — and praying that more passionate folks than I are willing to start a new party.
The New Conservatives: coming to a ballot near you!
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Hebrew:
I don’t see the GOP being destroyed by a Romney nomination. Huckabee, sure, McCain maybe, but Romney’s platform holds mostly true. If people want to affect direction within the party, the best thing to do is to get involved. At a minimum be active in the primaries and the generals. Don’t let these knuckleheads get away with stuff.
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 11:01 PM
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Although we tend to agree on many topics - I have a couple of questions here.
Pray tell, which “cross-section” of the Republican Party will not voting for McCain disenfranchise?
The grouchy lying sick RINO septagenarian wing? Or the piss-on-the-constitution wing, if not the let’s get the Gitmo slimeballs onto our contiguous territory and supply them with all the rights of Americans wing?
And why vote for someone who so totally botched his campaign like Thompson? Like a million other conservatives, I sent him money and supported him and just watched him piss it all away.. He could have buried McCain for good, but blew a critical opportunity. There’s an important reason we have Presidential campaigns - they tend to foretell the management qualities of a potential Chief Executive.
So it’s down to Romney.
And as for Schmuckabee - we’ve already have sent one sleazy POS from Hope, Arkansas to the White House. Thanks but no thanks.. that place must be like that old leper colony down in Louisiana - crawling with some kind of spirochetes.
TexasJew on January 27, 2008 at 11:07 PM
TxJ:
Keep talking your brother down from the ledge. The MSM is enjoying watching us cannibalize each other. It makes it easier for their stooge to get through. Let’s try the enemy of my enemy stuff, if it will help. The only guy that truly makes this a deal breaker is Huckabee.
I went through this same idiocy with CA when Gray Davis got the boot. Everyone thought it was cool to vote for Arnold. Even with the threat of Bustamante, I voted for McClintock, who I thought would be the stronger conservative. Huck, for some reason, reminds me of Arnold. It’s that same populism that gets me.
Cold Steel on January 27, 2008 at 11:22 PM
It’s hard to disagree with this sentiment. I’ve been registered since 2006, and I have never seen such an argumentative, name-calling bunch of new commenters. Mrs. Malkin, Bryan, AP, etc., spend their days posting these stories, running down leads, and providing us with provocative and interesting analysis. I have a hard time believing they enjoy seeing this kind of response to their hard work.
You guys can do better. If you can’t, you should think about what your purpose is in commenting here at all.
And that’s my humble opinion.
fourstringfuror on January 27, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Um, are there any moderators at all, or is just free for all from now on?
SouthernDem on January 27, 2008 at 11:34 PM
I started to write out a long diatribe about which parts of the party hate each particular candidate, but it turned out to be very difficult to follow. I’ll answer your question simply by saying that each of the three candidates has a significant number of people within the GOP who think they are unfit to lead.
Because I liked how Fred! ran his campaign. He was offered his services as a leader; he wasn’t whoring himself out to the party. He didn’t look like a baby-kissing, glad-handing power-seeking jabroni. He just ran on the issues. What makes me very depressed is that so few people saw this for what it was: integrity. Instead we had pundits like AP playing up that oh-so-stupid “fire in the belly” mantra.
I never wanted a politician with “fire in the belly.” In fact, those kinda guys scare me. I want someone who reluctantly seeks power and sticks to what they know best. I may not agree with all the decisions they’ve made in life, but at least you have a good idea about why they made them.
I have serious doubts about his Health Insurance plan. I think far too many Republicans are buying into this idea that Insurance is somehow part of governmental responsibility. The business he pulled in Massachusetts worries me greatly, as does his understanding of the Illegal Immigration issue. I think he is willing to buy into the “Secure the borders first” agenda, but where is he going from there? Lots of questions linger.
Indeed. Huckabee is the biggest danger to the GOP of all. He just turns people off left and right with his disingenuous remarks. He is just a Pro-Life, Pro-Gun Democrat and it’s sad to see so many good people be otherwise taken in by his bible thumping.
HebrewToYou on January 27, 2008 at 11:36 PM
No doubt the administrators won’t like it if the trend of the last ten days continues.
News2Use on January 27, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Will you elaborate?
Spirit of 1776 on January 27, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Well, at least the Republicans are in the middle of an ideological debate, albeit with personal overtones and a little dysfunction (like this thread).
Compare that with the insanity going on in the Democrat column. Unless Hillary and Obama do a major Kumbaya, that race looks pretty nasty.
Of course, it could simply be part of a Clintonian triangulation shtick, but I really think that the Dems are getting weary of the entire Clinton circus.
Obama was simply made by the Almighty to be a Democrat VP choice, and Rush’s old prediction may turn out to be true.
TexasJew on January 27, 2008 at 11:53 PM
You vile gibot. You give us real Christians a bad name. Why don’t you just go back to your giboted church and hate on some more folks who refuse to believe as you do?
csdeven on January 28, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Perhaps he has shared my occasional thought that HH’s real identity is Dean Steacy or someone similar.
Deety on January 28, 2008 at 12:03 AM
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