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Open thread: South Carolina results; Exit polls: Obama wins 81-17 among blacks? Update: Fox calls it for Obama; Update: Backlash against Billy Jeff? Update: Wow — 61% of Dem voters are women; Update: Obama wins by 28%

posted at 6:07 pm on January 26, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A Hillary loss is a Hillary win, says the smart set, so long as the result can be spun as racially dictated and Obama consequently “ghettoized” (in Kaus’s phrase) as the black candidate. If the predicted outcome happens and the Messiah wins big, expect a blast of counterspin from his team right out of the gate focusing on his or, if need be, even Silky’s share of the white vote at Hillary’s expense. Any data that undermines the racial narrative works to his advantage. I can’t see him losing, but his lead is so big that if Hillary just makes it close it’ll complicate the media narrative tomorrow. For that reason her team’s probably going all out on GOTV even though the state seems a lost cause — and in fact, there are already reports of record turnout. Note this too from the exit polls:

Nearly six in 10 of those voting said former President Clinton’s campaigning in the state was an important factor for them, including a quarter who called it very important.

So Billy Jeff motivated people to go vote. Which way does that cut for Hillary? This way? If so, it’ll be a delicious subplot to an unfortunately racially polarized race — blacks turning out en masse to vent their anger at the first “black” president.

The polls close at 7 p.m.; follow the returns at CNN or at the state party site. Next up after this: Florida, where there are zero delegates at stake (the DNC stripped them after the state broke party rules by moving up its primary) but which Hillary’s suddenly keenly interested in, partly to stop the buzz-bleeding if Obama wins here tonight and partly because she thinks she can get those delegates reinstated after the fact with a show of Clintonian muscle that’s so endeared her to the left these days.

Update: Watch as the master takes a question that’s not about race at all and twists it, with Huckabeean faux innocence, to his advantage.

Another reporter asked what it said about Obama that it “took two people to beat him.” Clinton again passed. “That’s’ just bait, too. Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice, in ‘84 and ‘88. And he ran a good campaign. Senator Obama’s run a good campaign here, he’s run a good campaign everywhere.”

The reference to Jackson seemed a way to downplay today’s result in a state where a majority of voters are African American.

Update: Hmmm. Heavy turnout among blacks — and women.

Update: The good news for Obama? Looks like an easy win. The bad news? The narrative is already being set in stone:

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The margin was actually even higher among black women, 82-17. Although here’s a bit of post-racial spin for Team Messiah: Silky does indeed appear to have beaten the “white candidate” among whites.

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Update: Does the “Silky beat Hillary among whites” line really do much for Obama, though? People are just going to add up their totals, call that “the white vote,” and push the racial narrative anyway. This goes back to yesterday’s post as an example of Edwards potentially killing Obama by staying in the race and drawing off liberals’ votes. If it’s true that Silky’s white supporters in South Carolina would have broken for Obama for ideological reasons then he’s inadvertently helped buttress the racial storyline by staying in.

Update: No surprise — Obama wins, says Fox, with Hillary only slightly ahead of Edwards. Here’s the spin Team Messiah was hoping for: Obama wins almost half of the white vote under 30. And needless to say, a third-place Hillary washout helps douse the flames of the racial plot. The big loser: Clenis.

Update: “Black women turned out in particularly large numbers.”

Update: Think this strategy will be revisited in the coming days? Maybe it’s time for Billy Jeff to drop out of the race.

Update: Awesome.

Roughly 6 in 10 South Carolina Democratic primary voters said Bill Clinton’s campaigning was important in how they ultimately decided to vote, and of those voters, 47 percent went for Barack Obama while only 38 percent went for Hillary Clinton. Fourteen percent of those voters voted for John Edwards.

Meanwhile, the exit polls also indicate Obama easily beat Clinton among those voters who decided in the last three days — when news reports heavily covered the former president’s heightened criticisms of Obama. Twenty percent of South Carolina Democrats made their decision in the last three days and 57 percent of them chose Obama, while only 18 percent picked Clinton.

Update: Obama crushed her even with a lopsided 61/39 skew towards women. Impressive.

Update: The polls had him ahead by low double digits. With 98% reporting, CNN says he’s up by 28%. Good lord.


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Sigh. I’m getting a drink.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 7:43 PM

Make it a quadruple.

So, what’s the over/under on when Breck Girl makes it a two-man race?

steveegg on January 26, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Fox SOOOO wants Edwards to beat Hillary. They just wont call second for Hillary without commenting, “if trends continue”.

muyoso on January 26, 2008 at 7:48 PM

So, what’s the over/under on when Breck Girl makes it a two-man race?

Good question. If he keep either candidate from the necessary delegates, I think he stays in the whole way. Otherwise, at least through Feb 5.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Crist endorses McCain.

fourstringfuror on January 26, 2008 at 7:52 PM

I believe Sean Penn and Susan Sarandon have also endorsed him.

Buttercup on January 26, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Hillary has been screwed again by Slick Willie!!!!!

Screwed as a wife, screwed as a political partner in the WH, and screwed again when she thought she was going to get her turn with all the toys…

Maybe now she will divorce the slimeball and find a nice Chinese guy with lots of money she can enjoy without FEC looking over her shoulder.

Harry Schell on January 26, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Good question. If he keep either candidate from the necessary delegates, I think he stays in the whole way. Otherwise, at least through Feb 5.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 7:51 PM

The thing that mitigates against that is the high number of “super-delegates”, which if memory serves is solidly in Clinton’s camp.

steveegg on January 26, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Buttercup on January 26, 2008 at 7:53 PM

There’s a Comment of the Day nomination.

steveegg on January 26, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Ugh, a thought just came up in my mind…

Charlie Crist is hedging for a Veep position if McCain gets nomination.

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth. :(

Enoxo on January 26, 2008 at 7:54 PM

The thing that mitigates against that is the high number of “super-delegates”, which if memory serves is solidly in Clinton’s camp.

steveegg on January 26, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Surely you don’t expect the Democrat Party to leave things in the hands of the voters!

RW_theoriginal on January 26, 2008 at 7:55 PM

I can already see the HRC spin.

‘So BHO wins the blacks and the youngsters. Woo hoo. Young people are notoriously flaky voters who are always under-represented in the general eletion (despite all the Rock the Vote / Vote or Die nonsense). And many blacks are concentrated in red states, like, well, South Carolina.

‘But Hillary’s coalition of liberal whites (esp. women) and Hispanics (who didn’t come into play in bi-racial SC) will do well on Super-Duper-Pooper-Scooper Tuesday. Just look at the states: the heavily Hispanic AZ, CA, NM, OK and the lily white AK, ND, SD, UT, WV. Sure BHO’s home state of Illinois is in the mix, but so are HRC’s two “home” states, Arkansas and NY.’

The Glacier will win in the end. It won’t be the coronation she wanted. It’ll be messed and expensive (it more ways than one) but the Clinton machine will eventually grind down all opponents. It’s what they do.

Vote Sauron 08 on January 26, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Thank God.

After screwing up the Republican primaries, the South Carolina Democrats get it right.

I have been dismayed all day about the Klinton’s continued success…even though their dirty, racist tactics are on display for all to see.

Go Barry!

Conservatives for Obama in ‘08!

Dorvillian on January 26, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Please. Anyone but the Clintons. Freakin Gorby himself would be less of a lefty. Are we really going to have to suffer through that nut bucket again? I might have to move to GUAM or summin.

ronsfi on January 26, 2008 at 7:57 PM

As far as Crist goes, P.J. O’Rourke puts it best:

The Republicans will have a hard time coming up with someone who can’t beat Hillary Clinton. But I don’t put it past them. You may remember Senator Bob Dole in 1996.

billy on January 26, 2008 at 7:58 PM

I believe Sean Penn and Susan Sarandon have also endorsed him.

Buttercup on January 26, 2008 at 7:53 PM

And don’t forget Vincente Fox, Elvira Arellano, and that Mexican drug smuggler that Ramos and Compean shot in the ass. They’ve all endorsed Juan McCain too.

AZCoyote on January 26, 2008 at 7:58 PM

Before I’d vote for Hillary, I might take my chances with Gorbachev. Possibly McCain too, but that would take more thinking.

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Surely you don’t expect the Democrat Party to leave things in the hands of the voters!

RW_theoriginal on January 26, 2008 at 7:55 PM

I don’t expect them to leave things in the hands of those that vote only once, and don’t call me Shirley :-)

steveegg on January 26, 2008 at 8:01 PM

All of this is fine and well, but at the end of the day, will the MSM hold Billy Jeff accountable for his southern strategy once the general rolls around. I don’t think so. I saw a clip of B-J saying something to the effect of “whenever racism is brought up, the facts don’t matter.” Well,duh, hasn’t this been the main strategy of the democrat party for 20 years now? By all indications this strategy has worked and the MSM is spinning it as a quarrel while only a few are calling it what it is. Dick Morris has the most credibility when discussing Clinton,Inc. campaign strategy. He is barely seen or mentioned outside of FNC. The media are trasparent and arrogent in their aggravated dereliction of duty in fairly reporting anything in this election process. GO MITT!

cherokeejeff on January 26, 2008 at 8:01 PM

You asked for it, petefrt – SECOND LOOK AT GORBACHEV!

steveegg on January 26, 2008 at 8:01 PM

Based on the exit polling among blacks I am starting to think that we may be better off running against Obama. The reason being that the Clinton machine is beginning to realize that if Hillary gets the nomination the best way to counter her high negatives will be to put Obama on the ticket with her. That would be formitable. I don’t think if Obama got the nom he would chose her.

conservnut on January 26, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Silky is third and fading. He could finish a distant third when it’s all counted. What a phenomenal loser. 3rd? What bother?

Vote Sauron 08 on January 26, 2008 at 8:06 PM

SC says: Hillary is no Bill!

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 8:08 PM

As Obama walks away with S.C. in his pocket while looking forward to Stupor Tuesday and Bubba Billy is left in the dust wagging his finger and blaming everyone under the sun (except his own antics) for what caused Hill The Shill’s latest campaign snafu, expect some top name Democrats to decide that perhaps it is time fall in step with the Jr. Senator from Illinois, and to send the Clintonistas out to far-distanced pasture once and for all.

pilamaye on January 26, 2008 at 8:09 PM

What a phenomenal loser. 3rd? What bother?

‘Cause this is the cause of his life. 4EVAH. I mean, aside from all those votes in the Senate which he regrets now.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Thanks, billy, for the PJ O’Rourke link. Hillary = “America’s ex-wife.” That could stick.

mikeyboss on January 26, 2008 at 8:10 PM

he’s inadvertently helped buttress the racial storyline by staying in.

LOL. You mean Edwards picked up the non-criminal vote?

pedestrian on January 26, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Please tell me that, since Sen Edwards couldn’t even pull a percentage of the votes, or when he does will be just a teeny blip, he’ll pull out either tomorrow or after Super Tuesday!

I can’t wait for that populist to go.

Weebork on January 26, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Oh look, Lindsay Graham is talking up Maverick now. Let me open my checkbook to McCain. Barf.

fiatboomer on January 26, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Slick Willie is giving Hill’s victory best loser speech on MSNBC.

Where’s Hill???

fogw on January 26, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Oh look, Lindsay Graham is talking up Maverick now. Let me open my checkbook to McCain. Barf.

fiatboomer on January 26, 2008 at 8:14 PM

That piece of crap! Ok, the wandering eyeball asked a good question. If Rudy drops out, who gets the lions share of his supporters?

conservnut on January 26, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Whoever ends up being the candidate, it’s going to be a choice between the lesser of evils…but I’d sure rather risk having the Magic Negro in the White House (pun intended) than risk enduring another four years of the Clinton clan.

Dark-Star on January 26, 2008 at 8:17 PM

Bill talked for ten minutes and never mentioned the a$$-kicking his wife got today.

Loss, what loss?
Woman, what woman?

fogw on January 26, 2008 at 8:19 PM

That piece of crap! Ok, the wandering eyeball asked a good question. If Rudy drops out, who gets the lions share of his supporters?

conservnut on January 26, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Assuming that Huckabee is also out at the same time as Giuliani, I’d expect McCain to get most of them for the same reason that Romney has picked up most of the FredHeads that decided to stay in the game.

steveegg on January 26, 2008 at 8:21 PM

from http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004144957_apondeadlinerace25.html

On Friday, the New York senator praised New York Rep. Charles Rangel as a man who rise to power without “leapfrogging” _ a term that any thinking member of her predominantly black audience understood to apply to the precocious Obama.

You know what happens to those uppity blacks!

pedestrian on January 26, 2008 at 8:23 PM

I’m offering no insight here, but perhaps Rudy, Huckabee, and Edwards will all drop out after S.T.

Agreed?

Weebork on January 26, 2008 at 8:23 PM

I’m offering no insight here, but perhaps Rudy, Huckabee, and Edwards will all drop out after S.T.

Agreed?

Weebork on January 26, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Sounds reasonable. I would actually expect Huck and Breck to be gone before SDT (side note; don’t get the order of those letters wrong).

steveegg on January 26, 2008 at 8:24 PM

fogw on January 26, 2008 at 8:19 PM

“I never campaigned for that woman, Hillary Clinton.”

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Also from that P. J. O’Rourke article

Mitt Romney is supposed to be my own type of candidate, a true conservative. But Mitt was governor of Massachusetts. This is like applying to be pope and listing your prior job experience as “Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem.”

But I digress…

There’s only one thing that concerns me about Obama vs. Hillary: one of them might win.

theregoestheneighborhood on January 26, 2008 at 8:28 PM

I hope Obama gives another Iowa-like speech so that’s all the talk tomorrow and Monday to stifle the Clinton spin and the Crist endorsement.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 8:30 PM

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 8:24 PM

lol

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 8:30 PM

Some good news for HRC hidden in the exit polls.

Non-black voters aged 45-59
HRC 38%; JE 38%; BHO 25%

Non-black voters aged 60+
HRC 42%; JE 40%; BHO 15%

Old people get out and vote in the general election. They don’t have anything else to do. The Democratic party sends buses to senior homes to get these people to the polls. Old folks are over-represented as voters. And the geezers love the Billary. If she can mobilize these voters on 2/5 then look for another ‘comeback’ from BJ & the Bear.

Vote Sauron 08 on January 26, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Steveegg,

Heh.

Weebork on January 26, 2008 at 8:34 PM

You asked for it, petefrt – SECOND LOOK AT GORBACHEV!

steveegg on January 26, 2008 at 8:01 PM

If not Gorby, then SECOND LOOK AT CHELSEA!
After all, she has eight years’ experience in the White House.

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Dear lord help us. Caroline Kennedy endorses BHO in Sunday’s NYT. I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

Vote Sauron 08 on January 26, 2008 at 8:38 PM

Hmmm, you know, I live in California and I’m trying to determine if either Clinton or Obama will get the most votes. I’m guessing that there will be a lot of young primary voters who will go for the Senator from Illinois, but most Democrats will end up goin’ for Clinton.

It will be interesting because CA is one of those states that lets anyone vote in any primary.

Yeah, probably Clinton will get CA. McCain too since this is a blue state. Hell, the Governator will probably endorse McCain. Sheesh, Blue bloods.

Weebork on January 26, 2008 at 8:38 PM

Kirsten Powers is a moron. Seriously – why is this tart asked to go on Fox so often? She contributes nothing to the discussion, except to be the tough guy for Alan Colmes, and blindly defend HRC.

fourstringfuror on January 26, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Fourstring,

Yeah, agreed with you about Powers. She’s a Democratic shill and she does not offer anything but spin.

It’s my guess she is a FNC contributor because she’s got the right connections. That’s all.

Weebork on January 26, 2008 at 8:43 PM

Pete; you’re running away with the Comment of the Day nominations.

Fourstringfuror, get your groveling shoes ready. You’re going to need them to beg for forgiveness for dissing AP’s crush.

steveegg on January 26, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Weebork on January 26, 2008 at 8:43 PM

I do enjoy watching Powers get pwnd by Mrs. Malkin. It’s always the highlight of my day.

fourstringfuror on January 26, 2008 at 8:45 PM

steveegg on January 26, 2008 at 8:44 PM

I will not submit.

fourstringfuror on January 26, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Yeah, agreed with you about Powers. She’s a Democratic shill and she does not offer anything but spin.

I disagree. I like her.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 8:47 PM

Holy cow, according to CNN’s little election 2008 thingy, it shows Romney with 78 total delegates, with McCain at 2nd place with 38… HA! McCain momentum, what momentum?

Weebork on January 26, 2008 at 8:48 PM

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 8:47 PM

The only thing I hear on these boards is people like her because she looks good. Why do you like her?

fourstringfuror on January 26, 2008 at 8:49 PM

steveegg on January 26, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Tanks, steveegg. Let me recommend Livingston Burgundy, a cheap red wine sold by the one gallon jug. Goes down like soda pop.

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 8:50 PM

Spirit,

Ok. I don’t dislike her, I just don’t gain anything new when she gives her political insight, and I’m no guru. Though, the same is true for some Republican strategists.

She is nice to look at, but I will say that I choose her over, I forget his name, the Democratic strategist who has gray hair, is completely full of himself, and suffers severely from rectal-cranial inversion. He sometimes appears on O’Reilly.

Weebork on January 26, 2008 at 8:52 PM

How can these talking heads read upcoming polls as realistic while they’re looking at results showing Obama winning by 27% in SC? How many polls did they read to us last week projecting anything remotely close to that?

RW_theoriginal on January 26, 2008 at 8:54 PM

WOW! White AND black people now voting for Obama. No wonder the Clinton’s are worried!!!!

DfDeportation on January 26, 2008 at 8:58 PM

It’s my guess she is a FNC contributor because she’s got the right connections. That’s all.

Weebork on January 26, 2008 at 8:43 PM

And she looks good. This is Fox, after all.

theregoestheneighborhood on January 26, 2008 at 8:59 PM

The only thing I hear on these boards is people like her because she looks good. Why do you like her?

fourstringfuror on January 26, 2008 at 8:49 PM

Then you’ve not been reading my posts. That’s not the reason I like her.

I like her because she is cool-headed. I like her because she gives me insight into what democrats are thinking. I like her because she disdains, as opposed to entertains, the nut-roots left. I like her because she is fair and even minded. That’s why I like her.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 8:59 PM

Obama crushed her even with a lopsided 61/39 skew towards women. Impressive.

Sort of. Blacks were 54% of the vote and 80% of black women went for BHO. As they said earlier, race trumps gender.

Plus, once again, primary voters prove themselves to be incomprehensible. Look at the Iraq question. Voters who want to ‘Keep Troops in Iraq’ voted for Edwards 41%, over BHO or HRC? WTF?! Edwards? Keep troops in Iraq? Are these voters illiterate? Are the exit polls filled with BS?

Vote Sauron 08 on January 26, 2008 at 9:00 PM

In relation to the last update, yeah I was surprised too when I saw that percentage figure. So far, I think the Republicans have been about even between the sexes. By far, Democrats have been predominately female. Interesting.

Weebork on January 26, 2008 at 9:01 PM

Expect the Clinton’s to drive a wedge between white and black voters by insinuating that blacks are only voting for Obama because he’s black. We already know the mexicans don’t like black people…

DfDeportation on January 26, 2008 at 9:01 PM

As one would expect the MSM is busy with their “racially charged” election results garbage.

These guys make me seriously ill.

The bigger story (in my mind, at least) Hillary Clinton emailed her concession speech???

What a complete POS.

Dorvillian on January 26, 2008 at 9:01 PM

It’s always the highlight of my day.

fourstringfuror on January 26, 2008 at 8:45 PM

And if you think MM pawns her all the time, read this thread. The only time someone is always right is when the facts are malleable. No one is always right, not even the great AP.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 9:03 PM

Update: Backlash against Billy Jeff?

Roughly 6 in 10 South Carolina Democratic primary voters said Bill Clinton’s campaigning was important in how they ultimately decided to vote, and of those voters,

I mentioned this in another thread, but Dick Morris says that this is Billy Jeff’s plan… apparently he hopes to have a black backlash (or as I now call it, a blacklash) which will (in theory) cause whites to line up on racial lines for the Clinton’s. I would say this is a stupid idea, but we are talking about Democrats here, and by their very nature they’re either fundamentally dishonest and/or stupid people.

RightWinged on January 26, 2008 at 9:03 PM

McCain needs to apologize to our troops for accusing them of using torture to prosecute this War on Terror! Shameful!!!

DfDeportation on January 26, 2008 at 9:03 PM

94% of democrat voters in SC believe a social worker who has been in the senate for two years is most qualified to be commander in chief.

Overwhelming proof that liberalism is a mental illness.

peacenprosperity on January 26, 2008 at 9:04 PM

Well, this is enough for me, I’m going to go play CoD 4 online.

I’m trying to get back up to Lt Col so I can get my G36 back.

(p.s. I hate the martyr perk.)

Weebork on January 26, 2008 at 9:04 PM

I would say this is a stupid idea, but we are talking about Democrats here

And inherently racist also.

peacenprosperity on January 26, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Apparently I’m not alone in this thinking…

DfDeportation on January 26, 2008 at 9:06 PM

Counting votes in S.C.? The Rout Was On!!!!

DfDeportation on January 26, 2008 at 9:07 PM

So, what’s the over/under on when Breck Girl makes it a two-man race?
steveegg on January 26, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Edwards is not going anywhere. He’s aiming for the VP slot.

logis on January 26, 2008 at 9:07 PM

Helter Skelter in the Democratic Primary. Helter Skelter, man

Dudley Smith on January 26, 2008 at 9:08 PM

What happened in Iowa, apparently, was no FAIRY TALE!!!! Was it Billy Jeff?

DfDeportation on January 26, 2008 at 9:09 PM

Obama says the most diverse group of voters. Counter Move.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 9:10 PM

I forget his name, the Democratic strategist who has gray hair, is completely full of himself, and suffers severely from rectal-cranial inversion. He sometimes appears on O’Reilly.
Weebork on January 26, 2008 at 8:52 PM

Bob The Blowhard Beckel

Buttercup on January 26, 2008 at 9:12 PM

Well, Obama has his lips around both of Hillary’s ass cheeks. He’s not very focused. Obama needs to figure out just who is enemy is right now! Sounds like he’s taking too much advise from George Soros!!!

DfDeportation on January 26, 2008 at 9:12 PM

How come when Obama gets lots of Black votes that is bad, yet when Bill Clinton got lots of Black votes, that was good?

Hillary’s world?

MB4 on January 26, 2008 at 9:13 PM

Dang. BO has got a smart speech going here. This guy is here to play for real.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 9:15 PM

Are we on the way to Women’s and Men’s parties?

ronsfi on January 26, 2008 at 9:17 PM

… would say this is a stupid idea, but we are talking about Democrats here…
RightWinged on January 26, 2008 at 9:03 PM

I agree, RW. It’s hard to imagine that this tactic, polarizing races against Obama, will work. Not this time.

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 9:17 PM

Bob The Blowhard Beckel

A convicted whore monger and campaign finance criminal.

peacenprosperity on January 26, 2008 at 9:18 PM

As one would expect the MSM is busy with their “racially charged” election results garbage.
Dorvillian on January 26, 2008 at 9:01 PM

It looks like the Clintons are in the process of burning the Democrat Party’s last bridge. If Hillary wins a “racially charged” primary campaign, what happens to the black voter turnout come November?

logis on January 26, 2008 at 9:18 PM

Nice speech by Obama until he got to the tired old class warfare and antiwar garbage. Sorry buddy, you’re still a liberal.

fiatboomer on January 26, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Sorry buddy, you’re still a liberal.

Yeah, but look at it from the view of the dialogue in the Democratic primary.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 9:21 PM

If Hillary wins a “racially charged” primary campaign, what happens to the black voter turnout come November?

What if obama wins but hillarys strategy kind of works? White democrats voting republican? Even more reason that we don’t nominate the wrong guy.

peacenprosperity on January 26, 2008 at 9:21 PM

OMG, Obama’s speech is BLOWING Clintons away… yet again. This guy gets better every time.

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Yeah, but look at it from the view of the dialogue in the Democratic primary. (Meaning affecting Hillary and press)

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Nice speech by Obama until he got to the tired old class warfare and antiwar garbage. Sorry buddy, you’re still a liberal.

He throws that stuff in every time and his wife is an out and out racebaiter but laura ingraham keeps talking up the guy and saying he is above identity politics. She thinks he’s refreshing and I want to puke.

peacenprosperity on January 26, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 8:59 PM

No, I have not read your posts – that’s what prompted the question. Thanks for the response.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 9:03 PM

It was hyperbole – I wasn’t trying to make a point. I was also talking about Mrs. Malkin; AP is a different animal entirely.

fourstringfuror on January 26, 2008 at 9:26 PM

BO is a sight better than the demon Yrallih, but on the economy he’s Walter Mondale and on the war he’s Dennis Kucinich. His “change” mantra might as well be “YaaaaAAYY SOCIALISM!”

fiatboomer on January 26, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 9:22 PM

I yam I yam I yam! It’s turning the race/class warfare against them and ripping the Clinton wing to shreds.

Now I know it may strengthen the Dem party, ultimately at our (conservatives) expense. But this country needs a decent Dem party once again, and maybe… just maybe this is a step in that direction. A stronger, more decent Dem party will make a stronger, more decent GOP, I hope.

Call me unrealistic about this. I may may well be. But I have to hope.

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Fundamentally, I see no difference between Obama and HRC. His victory speech could easily have been given by any other liberal.

fourstringfuror on January 26, 2008 at 9:29 PM

BO is a sight better than the demon Yrallih
fiatboomer on January 26, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Maybe we can get a Cthulu/Yrallih ticket to stand against BHO/HRC. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?

Vote Sauron 08 on January 26, 2008 at 9:31 PM

I gotta’ tell ya’, from my Conservative/Republican point of view, Obama is the only Democrat, who’s speeches I can listen to, without having my skin crawl.

franksalterego on January 26, 2008 at 9:32 PM

I’m still entertained by the fact that the Clinton campaign hasn’t realized Bill is hurting them.

Opinionnation on January 26, 2008 at 9:42 PM

I’m disappointed the Hillary victory headquarters shut down early. I wanted a Spam sandwich…

Travis1 on January 26, 2008 at 9:48 PM

Listening to Billary, compared to what I heard from Obama tonight, she’s floundering again.

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Obama is the only Democrat, who’s speeches I can listen to, without having my skin crawl

My skin doesn’t crawl either but after every speech I seem to lose more money out of my wallet.

knat on January 26, 2008 at 9:55 PM

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