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Open thread: South Carolina results; Exit polls: Obama wins 81-17 among blacks? Update: Fox calls it for Obama; Update: Backlash against Billy Jeff? Update: Wow — 61% of Dem voters are women; Update: Obama wins by 28%

posted at 6:07 pm on January 26, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A Hillary loss is a Hillary win, says the smart set, so long as the result can be spun as racially dictated and Obama consequently “ghettoized” (in Kaus’s phrase) as the black candidate. If the predicted outcome happens and the Messiah wins big, expect a blast of counterspin from his team right out of the gate focusing on his or, if need be, even Silky’s share of the white vote at Hillary’s expense. Any data that undermines the racial narrative works to his advantage. I can’t see him losing, but his lead is so big that if Hillary just makes it close it’ll complicate the media narrative tomorrow. For that reason her team’s probably going all out on GOTV even though the state seems a lost cause — and in fact, there are already reports of record turnout. Note this too from the exit polls:

Nearly six in 10 of those voting said former President Clinton’s campaigning in the state was an important factor for them, including a quarter who called it very important.

So Billy Jeff motivated people to go vote. Which way does that cut for Hillary? This way? If so, it’ll be a delicious subplot to an unfortunately racially polarized race — blacks turning out en masse to vent their anger at the first “black” president.

The polls close at 7 p.m.; follow the returns at CNN or at the state party site. Next up after this: Florida, where there are zero delegates at stake (the DNC stripped them after the state broke party rules by moving up its primary) but which Hillary’s suddenly keenly interested in, partly to stop the buzz-bleeding if Obama wins here tonight and partly because she thinks she can get those delegates reinstated after the fact with a show of Clintonian muscle that’s so endeared her to the left these days.

Update: Watch as the master takes a question that’s not about race at all and twists it, with Huckabeean faux innocence, to his advantage.

Another reporter asked what it said about Obama that it “took two people to beat him.” Clinton again passed. “That’s’ just bait, too. Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice, in ‘84 and ‘88. And he ran a good campaign. Senator Obama’s run a good campaign here, he’s run a good campaign everywhere.”

The reference to Jackson seemed a way to downplay today’s result in a state where a majority of voters are African American.

Update: Hmmm. Heavy turnout among blacks — and women.

Update: The good news for Obama? Looks like an easy win. The bad news? The narrative is already being set in stone:

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The margin was actually even higher among black women, 82-17. Although here’s a bit of post-racial spin for Team Messiah: Silky does indeed appear to have beaten the “white candidate” among whites.

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Update: Does the “Silky beat Hillary among whites” line really do much for Obama, though? People are just going to add up their totals, call that “the white vote,” and push the racial narrative anyway. This goes back to yesterday’s post as an example of Edwards potentially killing Obama by staying in the race and drawing off liberals’ votes. If it’s true that Silky’s white supporters in South Carolina would have broken for Obama for ideological reasons then he’s inadvertently helped buttress the racial storyline by staying in.

Update: No surprise — Obama wins, says Fox, with Hillary only slightly ahead of Edwards. Here’s the spin Team Messiah was hoping for: Obama wins almost half of the white vote under 30. And needless to say, a third-place Hillary washout helps douse the flames of the racial plot. The big loser: Clenis.

Update: “Black women turned out in particularly large numbers.”

Update: Think this strategy will be revisited in the coming days? Maybe it’s time for Billy Jeff to drop out of the race.

Update: Awesome.

Roughly 6 in 10 South Carolina Democratic primary voters said Bill Clinton’s campaigning was important in how they ultimately decided to vote, and of those voters, 47 percent went for Barack Obama while only 38 percent went for Hillary Clinton. Fourteen percent of those voters voted for John Edwards.

Meanwhile, the exit polls also indicate Obama easily beat Clinton among those voters who decided in the last three days — when news reports heavily covered the former president’s heightened criticisms of Obama. Twenty percent of South Carolina Democrats made their decision in the last three days and 57 percent of them chose Obama, while only 18 percent picked Clinton.

Update: Obama crushed her even with a lopsided 61/39 skew towards women. Impressive.

Update: The polls had him ahead by low double digits. With 98% reporting, CNN says he’s up by 28%. Good lord.


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FIRST!

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Can’t help it… I’m pulling for Obama. If he wins enough you just know that Hillary’s head has gotta explode sometime. It’s wrong but I’m praying someone catches it on video.

Buzzy on January 26, 2008 at 6:12 PM

I feel the same!

flyboy777 on January 26, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Obama wins no doubt. Watch for exit polling and data drilling. CNN’s showing its stats a bit right now.

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:09 PM

That’s really annoying.

billy on January 26, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Clintoons:
Lying…oh, where to begin?
Cheating…. she just may want those delegates after all despite her previous agreement.
Stealing…Hsu,etc.
All in a day’s work for the Clinton Crime Syndicate.

bbz123 on January 26, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Can’t help it… I’m pulling for Obama. If he wins enough you just know that Hillary’s head has gotta explode sometime. It’s wrong but I’m praying someone catches it on video.

Buzzy on January 26, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Yup.

uncivilized on January 26, 2008 at 6:21 PM

So Billy Jeff motivated people to go vote. Which way does that cut for Hillary? This way? If so, it’ll be a delicious subplot to an unfortunately racially polarized race — blacks turning out en masse to vent their anger at the first “black” president.

I have never understood anyone wanting their race, culture, country, or really anything represented by William Jefferson Clinton. I assume I would hear the cry “racist!” if I said Bill Clinton is the first black president because blacks are womanizing manwhores who constantly lie, pander, and brag about their sexual conquests while on the job, but that’s really all Billy Jeff has going for him.

Quite frankly, anyone who calls BJ Clinton the “first black president” needs to go on national television and apologize for offending black people everywhere.

BKennedy on January 26, 2008 at 6:25 PM

I love the thoughts of the democrat party that their base is made up of racists. It’s quite a wonder to behold.

lorien1973 on January 26, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Wow. Obama wins African-Americans 81-17 over Hillary.

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Where are you seeing that?

Allahpundit on January 26, 2008 at 6:32 PM

FIRST!

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:09 PM

With what — jackassery?

Nichevo on January 26, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Allahpundit on January 26, 2008 at 6:32 PM

FOX News TV. 82-17 black women, too.

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:35 PM

With what — jackassery?

Nichevo on January 26, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Yes, actually. First in your heart, too.

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:36 PM

FIRST!

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Uh, okay. Now what?

mksmithwriter on January 26, 2008 at 6:36 PM

With what — jackassery?

Nichevo on January 26, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Yes, actually. First in your heart, too.

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:36 PM

No wonder you said “FIRST” and nothing else. Not much else up there, huh.

mksmithwriter on January 26, 2008 at 6:37 PM

With what — jackassery?

Nichevo on January 26, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Yes, actually. First in your heart, too.

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:36 PM

What, are you like 12-years-old or something?

mksmithwriter on January 26, 2008 at 6:37 PM

mksmithwriter on January 26, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Nichevo on January 26, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Rough crowd tonight. Lighten up.

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:38 PM

Second look at first!

infidel on January 26, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Looks like Edwards is going to be in third place (again.)

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:44 PM

If a democrat is to win, I would rather it be a rookie communist than a veteran communist.

GO Obama!

jukin on January 26, 2008 at 6:45 PM

Knock off the crap, boys. This thread is spinning off-topic.

Allahpundit on January 26, 2008 at 6:46 PM

Looks like Edwards is going to be in third place (again.)

Yep. Can’t wait to see Hill and Bill have to grovel and kiss Edwards’ behind to get his delegates. Now that will be entertainment!

BacaDog on January 26, 2008 at 6:49 PM

You have an interesting point,jukin. Maybe Obama would not screw us as much as Hillary just because of inexperience. Not for lack of lefty will mind you.

bbz123 on January 26, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Knock off the crap, boys. This thread is spinning off-topic.

Allahpundit on January 26, 2008 at 6:46 PM

awh it was just getting good….

Smiles on January 26, 2008 at 6:51 PM

BacaDog on January 26, 2008 at 6:49 PM

Maybe, but it’s going to have to be Obama+Edwards+1 to be that compelling for them. And that’s far from being a sure.

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:52 PM

thing.

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:52 PM

Any Muslim blocks voting?

BL@KBIRD on January 26, 2008 at 6:52 PM

BacaDog on January 26, 2008 at 6:49 PM

If Edwards finishes third there’s a good chance he won’t reach the 15% threshold to get delegates in the Magical Mystery Tour Tuesday (or whatever it’s called these days) primaries so he won’t have all the delegates he and Joe Trippi think they’ll have to bargain with.

RW_theoriginal on January 26, 2008 at 6:54 PM

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 6:52 PM

Sure. But you know Big John is just relishing the prospect of having the party kowtow to him. It’ll be a Sally Field moment for him.

They really, really like me!!

BacaDog on January 26, 2008 at 6:54 PM

watch out for the KKKlintons

custer on January 26, 2008 at 6:54 PM

Damn. Messed up the tags there.

BacaDog on January 26, 2008 at 6:55 PM

How can it be a good thing for Clinton if Black voters do not want to vote for her?

EJDolbow on January 26, 2008 at 6:55 PM

Maybe Obama would not screw us as much as Hillary just because of inexperience. Not for lack of lefty will mind you.

Oh, he’d probably give it a good try, and I’m Sens. Kennedy, Reid, Feingold, Durbin, et. al. would be happy to give him a few pointers.
All in all, I’d still rather see him win over Hillary.
After 16 years it would be nice to finally close the book on the Clintons.

billy on January 26, 2008 at 6:56 PM

The margin was actually even higher among black women, 82-17. Although here’s a bit of post-racial spin for Team Messiah: Silky does indeed appear to have beaten the “white candidate” among whites.

Maybe my math is off, but if Obama crushes Hillary among black voters, and Edwards beats her among whites, aren’t we looking at a bit of a Silky Surge? How bad is it for Hillary if she comes in 3rd?

Big S on January 26, 2008 at 6:57 PM

4 of 5 blacks, but only 1 in 4 whites. That’s not a good number for Obama. Poor guy getting marginalized by the Clinton machine on something that isn’t even issue related. KP just said Edwards hurt Hillary though, so that might really undermine her racial narrative.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 6:58 PM

How can it be a good thing for Clinton if Black voters do not want to vote for her?

EJDolbow on January 26, 2008 at 6:55 PM

The theory is that Billy boy wants it to happen so there will be a white voter backlash in the remaining primaries. At least that is what some of the talking heads on Fox were saying today.

BacaDog on January 26, 2008 at 6:58 PM

How can it be a good thing for Clinton if Black voters do not want to vote for her?

It allows her to marginalize Obama as the “black” candidate a la Revs. Jackson, Sharpton.
This would (so the theory goes) help her with working class whites and help her big with latinos

billy on January 26, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Fox projects Obama.

amerpundit on January 26, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Dang. They called it with 0% percent in. That’s wheels off.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 7:02 PM

People are just going to add up their totals, call that “the white vote,” and push the racial narrative anyway.

On the other hand, if you add up Obama’s and Edwards’s totals among whites, you can say the majority of white voters voted against Hillary.

mikeyboss on January 26, 2008 at 7:03 PM

NBC calls it for Obama, too.

amerpundit on January 26, 2008 at 7:03 PM

bet Hillary is spitting nails

trailortrash on January 26, 2008 at 7:03 PM

BO gets larger than expected share of white vote too. Yipppeeee!

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 7:03 PM

ABC News, CNN and CBS News calls it for Obama, too.

amerpundit on January 26, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Fox projects Obama.
amerpundit on January 26, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Yeah they did, using exit poll data. Remember exit polls. They’ve been notoriously inaccurate in the past. Still it looks like Barry is going to win. Hillary may come in third. That’d be a slap.

Oldnuke on January 26, 2008 at 7:05 PM

On the other hand, if you add up Obama’s and Edwards’s totals among whites, you can say the majority of white voters voted against Hillary.

mikeyboss on January 26, 2008 at 7:03 PM

Good point. We’ll hear that next week probably.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 7:05 PM

Fox already has the talking heads analyzing the results. Without any results. Can’t bring myself to surf on over to MSNBC.

Oldnuke on January 26, 2008 at 7:07 PM

CNN are talking about a 20 point win for Obama. Even the Clintons can’t spin that.

infidel65 on January 26, 2008 at 7:09 PM

The narrative is already being set in stone

So the racial narrative is being set, great. But what about post primary? How, oh how does Clinton get the Black vote back and sooth those bruised feelings?

The choice for vice president was former Congressman Harold Ford Junior of Tennessee.

That’s how. A big pat on the back for Black people. Ford will be selling amnesty hard to the Black vote, I’m guessing it will fall on deaf ears but that does not mean Black people will not vote Democrat anyway. Cue the Romney/Steele ticket…

Theworldisnotenough on January 26, 2008 at 7:10 PM

And needless to say, a third-place Hillary washout helps douse the flames of the racial plot. The big loser: Clenis.

Logic is on your side, AP. But I think they will stick with the plot. And what’s more, they will make the plot stick.

Weight of Glory on January 26, 2008 at 7:10 PM

If Obama got 81% of the black vote and Clinton got 17%, then Edwards could have no more than 2%. Now if he ends up finishing second is it possible that the Clintons are slimy enough to pit those two camps as the racially polarizing ones and lay claim to being the uniters of the party?

RW_theoriginal on January 26, 2008 at 7:11 PM

ROUTED. Hu-rah.

mustang1 on January 26, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Silky can’t get 2nd place with only 1% of the balck vote.

infidel65 on January 26, 2008 at 7:12 PM

The schadenfreude, it burns!!!! I love that the Clinton excuses and “campaigning” is falling apart. I don’t even care about the primary stuff but this is funny.

Funny how terrorist attacks and war sometimes make the childish Clinton antics don’t work as well as they did in the 90’s.

mjk on January 26, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Go Barry! Beat the Billary

mred on January 26, 2008 at 7:15 PM

I Called it..

Look.. to easy..

Look at that Comment and the one under it..

Chakra Hammer on January 26, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Silky can’t get 2nd place with only 1% of the balck vote.

infidel65 on January 26, 2008 at 7:12 PM

Probably not, but it depends on the relative turnout among black and white voters. Could be close, but he’ll probably finish 5% behind Clinton.

Big S on January 26, 2008 at 7:15 PM

If blacks really do account for 50% of the votes in SC, then Obama is looking at a 25% win.

infidel65 on January 26, 2008 at 7:15 PM

I predict that the dems will let Obama win South Carolina on January 26th because Florida is on January 29th and they want Hillary out of Republicans mind, while they cast their votes..

Chakra Hammer on January 20, 2008 at 1:33 AM

Chakra Hammer on January 26, 2008 at 7:17 PM

It appears that the finger pointing narcissistic lover-boy isn’t as beloved as he thought. Neither is his bride!

sinsing on January 26, 2008 at 7:17 PM

70% to 18% Obama/Clinton projected by Fox. Wow! I don’t think the Clintons had that big a loss in mind.

Oldnuke on January 26, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Now if he ends up finishing second is it possible that the Clintons are slimy enough to pit those two camps as the racially polarizing ones and lay claim to being the uniters of the party?

RW_theoriginal on January 26, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Yes they are and yes they will !!

OBX Pete on January 26, 2008 at 7:17 PM

BJ’s strategy was to play the race card, to marginalize BO as the Negro candidate and polarize future primaries along the racial divide. That’s why BO needed to get a good share of the white vote tonight, to defeat BJ’s racist strategy and his attempt to polarize white/blacl voters for coming primaries.

Looks as though Barak succeeded. I am a very happy camper about that. The high road seems to have beat the low road, for possibly the first time in recent memory.

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 7:18 PM

70% to 18% Obama/Clinton projected by Fox.

Not a projection. That’s the first early returns with less than 1% counted so far. Not representative of the final numbers.

johnny dollar on January 26, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Make NO MISTAKE Hillary WILL be the Dem Nominee, they have NO Choice.

Chakra Hammer on January 26, 2008 at 7:18 PM

It appears that the finger pointing narcissistic lover-boy isn’t as beloved as he thought. Neither is his bride!

sinsing on January 26, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Maybe the black voters don’t really want to claim him as one of them !

OBX Pete on January 26, 2008 at 7:19 PM

johnny dollar on January 26, 2008 at 7:18 PM

I’d call less than 1% a projection but I understand your point.

Oldnuke on January 26, 2008 at 7:20 PM

For Hillary,
A SECOND LOOK AT SUPERDELEGATES.
If she can’t win at the polls, she’ll win at the convention.

billy on January 26, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Make NO MISTAKE Hillary WILL be the Dem Nominee, they have NO Choice.

Chakra Hammer on January 26, 2008 at 7:18 PM

That’s the sad part. No matter how good BO does tonight, the Clinton machine will eventually prevail.

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Twenty percent of South Carolina Democrats made their decision in the last three days and 57 percent of them chose Obama, while only 18 percent picked Clinton.

Does this mean we are playing a full court press game of identity politics on both sides of the aisle? As a country, we should be proud.

/sarcasm

lorien1973 on January 26, 2008 at 7:24 PM

lorien1973 on January 26, 2008 at 7:24 PM

Looks that way which is sad considering the sheer mass of information available on each of these candidates.

Oldnuke on January 26, 2008 at 7:28 PM

The good news: this does to the Dems what Bush has done to the GOP. This will be fun. They will have 9 months of racial wars within the Dem party. We all know the Hill will prevail, because if necessary there will be another Vince foster ‘event.’

mustang1 on January 26, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Roughly 6 in 10 South Carolina Democratic primary voters said Bill Clinton’s campaigning was important in how they ultimately decided to vote, and of those voters, 47 percent went for Barack Obama while only 38 percent went for Hillary Clinton. Fourteen percent of those voters voted for John Edwards.

That’s why you’ll see Bill disappear for a bit, but the aftermath of this division will live on. Mission accomplished, Billary.

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Update: Awesome.

No it’s not.
It’s AWESOME.

billy on January 26, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Rush Limbaugh said that he can foresee the possibility of not voting for a Republican this election; if the country is going to go to hell he’d prefer that it happen under a Democratic administration.If a false Conservative achieves the nomination, such as McCain,he won’t ‘win’ my vote. I would prefer Obama to oversee the ruination of the nation.
Think about this:for most of our lifetimes, there have been only two Democrat Presidents. Carter fouled up so egregiously that Reagan was welcomed with open arms by the American people. And he won 49 states in his bid for re-election. Clinton fouled up also, but was kept so busy with all of his scandals that he didn’t hurt us too badly.
It helped that the computer came of age and revolutionized the world while he was in office; that sort of economic success even he couldn’t destroy.
I’m witt Mitt, but if he doesn’t make it, if HClinton or Obama gets in, it’s not the end of the world. We’ll just have to hunker down and tough it out. Again. And look for our next Reagan to lead us back to the straight and narrow.

Doug on January 26, 2008 at 7:30 PM

CRIST JUST ENDORSED MCCAIN.

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 7:33 PM

I hope y’all are right about Hillary’s inevitability. Romney has a much better chance of beating the Hildebeest than Obama.

JustTruth101 on January 26, 2008 at 7:33 PM

Exit question:

Does the African American community hold the moral high ground any longer if Obama isnt elected?

Claiming “white america” wont vote for an african american when obviously the reverse is the truth as well?

broker1 on January 26, 2008 at 7:34 PM

I think this is good news for the general election.

Hillary will win the nomination, but at the cost of the African-American vote. There will be no enthusiastic turnout for her, and that combined with the anti-Hillary vote might make the difference.

stefanite on January 26, 2008 at 7:34 PM

CRIST JUST ENDORSED MCCAIN.

Vizzini on January 26, 2008 at 7:33 PM

Source, please. Thank you.

JustTruth101 on January 26, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Source, please. Thank you.

JustTruth101 on January 26, 2008 at 7:35 PM

CNN.

amerpundit on January 26, 2008 at 7:36 PM

Clenis better get the hell out of town and a far away from Cankles as possible. She is going to be in a fugly mood.

Wade on January 26, 2008 at 7:37 PM

I want their race to say competitive. They can’t have a candidate decide until we do.

Ultimately, I want Hillary to win, but only after alienating a lot of people.

AbaddonsReign on January 26, 2008 at 7:37 PM

amerpundit on January 26, 2008 at 7:36 PM

Thanks…I checked CNN and Fox web sites b4 asking, I guess it must be on tv (not near one now…)

JustTruth101 on January 26, 2008 at 7:38 PM

CNN calls second for Clinton.

amerpundit on January 26, 2008 at 7:39 PM

This whole “fake Obama” candidacy as if he may win, is all designed to get Hillary out of the minds of Republican voters, because they Fear Rudy the MOST and that a “possible Obama nomination” for some reason would be seen as not as advantages to Rudy.
I say that it would be even better for Rudy since NY would be even easier, and the Dems would have to spend even MORE money in the expensive media market of NY to win it, also Obama has even less “experience” IF you can even say that hillary has any.

Chakra Hammer on January 26, 2008 at 7:39 PM

ARGH! Governor Charlie Crist of Florida just endorsed McCain.

Holy… I wish I could go back some years and remove my votes for both Crist and Martinez. :(

Enoxo on January 26, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Crist was endorsed by McCain in the 2006 Republican governor race primary. They’re apparently close on a personal level.

amerpundit on January 26, 2008 at 7:41 PM

mustang1 on January 26, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Bingo.

I’ll especially enjoy the protracted racial/gender infighting, after the race and gender cards they’ve been playing against this country starting mainly in the 90’s. My feeling is that since group identity politics is designed to ply the basest human instincts against the vulnerability of democracy, it’s about time this snake eats its tail..

petefrt on January 26, 2008 at 7:42 PM

ARGH! Governor Charlie Crist of Florida just endorsed McCain.

Sigh. I’m getting a drink.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 7:43 PM

Finally, the American people are giving the Clintons that b\tch slapping. They so rightfully deserve

TheSitRep on January 26, 2008 at 7:44 PM

Sigh. I’m getting a drink.

Spirit of 1776

Make a triple for me. :(

Enoxo on January 26, 2008 at 7:44 PM

I hope y’all are right about Hillary’s inevitability. Romney has a much better chance of beating the Hildebeest than Obama.

JustTruth101 on January 26, 2008 at 7:33 PM

With a name like “JustTruth101″ i don’t find Truth synonymous with Romney.

Chakra Hammer on January 26, 2008 at 7:44 PM

Sigh. I’m getting a drink.

Spirit of 1776 on January 26, 2008 at 7:43 PM

.

I second that motion, B. R. B.

TheSitRep on January 26, 2008 at 7:45 PM

If Hillary continues to alienate the black vote, that makes McCain even more of a loser for the GOP.
A significant part of the black vote could be pulled away by a strong anti-illegal immigrant candidate, which McCain clearly isn’t.
So I guess I’m saying: Mitt Romney is the real winner today.

billy on January 26, 2008 at 7:45 PM

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