Open borders advocate Juan Hernandez has joined the McCain campaign Updated
posted at 8:00 am on January 25, 2008 by Bryan
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John McCain says that he has heard the American people and now understands that we need to secure the border before enacting any “comprehensive” immigration reform. But John McCain has also said that he hasn’t changed his position. He supported amnesty in 2003 by name, proposed it in 2006 and 2007 without calling it amnesty, and says that anyone who says that he ever supported amnesty is a liar. He has insulted Americans who advocate border security and has cursed at the thought of building a border fence. Which of all of these is the real John McCain? The presence of Juan Hernandez in the background of the McCain campaign tells me that John McCain is as weak on border security now as he ever was.
Old school Hot Air readers might remember Dr. Juan Hernandez. He’s a dual citizen of the US and Mexico, was a member of Vicente Fox’s government, and is as open borders as you can get. In December 2006, Michelle hosted the Factor and the producers decided to see what it would be like to put her and Hernandez on the show together. “Chummy” does not describe the atmosphere.
At the time of this argument, SeeDubya caught Hernandez telling a whopper about illegal aliens and identity theft.
Here’s a photo of him, found on McCain’s daughter Meghan’s blog. It’s from the December 10, 2007 blog entry titled “Univision Debate Gallery,” 7th photo down.
That’s Hernandez, Meghan McCain and adviser Mark McKinnon in the photo. He apparently joined the McCain campaign without much fanfare in November 2007.
Of Mexicans who move to the US, Hernandez has said:
“I want the third generation, the seventh generation, I want them all to think ‘Mexico first.’”
These are Americans that Hernandez is talking about. Does John McCain agree that they should always “think ‘Mexico first?’” That’s the man who began serving as John McCain’s “Hispanic Outreach Directo” last year. Is there any reason that anyone should think open borders fanatic Dr. Hernandez wants President McCain to secure the border? Is there any reason that anyone should trust a man to secure the border if he is getting his “Hispanic Outreach” advice from Dr. Juan Hernandez?
Update: Michelle has a lot more on this story.
Dr. Juan Hernandez, McCain Hispanic outreach director: “We must not only have a free flow of goods and services, but also start working for a free flow of people.”
(photo copyright Heather Brand)
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No terryann, its not the only issue. But it is a very important one. Very important. Issues and their importance goes pretty much like this for me:
Illegal Immigration
Limited Government (incorporated in which is tax policy, spending, etc and as a result economic prosperity)
Obliterating and protection from Islamic Jihadists
1st Amendment Rights
Abortion
2nd Amendment Rights
Affirmative Action
Yeah, I would say that Illegal Immigration and War against Islamic fascists are at the top of my list because if either of those issues is handled improperly we won’t have a nation left to debate the rest of the issues on the list.
It will be game over. Goodbye Constitution. Goodbye soverienty. I want a President who has those two issues at the top of their list. If a candidate is on the wrong side of any issue that encompasses the preservation of our Constitutional Republic as we know it that is an automatic disqualifier. I cannot understand how it couldn’t be a disqualifier.
Zetterson on January 25, 2008 at 12:32 PM
As an evangelical Christian, I believe illegal immigration is a very serious issue because it is a direct assault on the God-ordained rule and function of law in society, per Romans 13.
http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-text/vatican-promotes.html
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/940312983.html
http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/16/this-christian-isnt-torn-over-illegals/
Supporting illegal immigration, amnesty, or “open borders” is contrary to Scripture.
ColtsFan on January 25, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Ugh. Can’t you just say it’s contrary to Federal Law?
What does Scripture have to do with the Immigration Law? Oh, right. Nothing.
HebrewToYou on January 25, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Ok, that’s fine. If immigration is a top priority for you, then absolutely vote that way. But please explain to me how are country will cease to exist because of illegal immigration….
I’m not trying to be sarcastic or anything I really just want to know how you have come to that conclusion.
terryannonline on January 25, 2008 at 12:39 PM
McCain is a slimeball. I hope this torpedoes his campaign for good.
It probably won’t, but here’s hoping.
Dave R. on January 25, 2008 at 12:40 PM
As someone who’s been doing logistics for 16 years, I can confidently say that it isn’t impossible. The multi-layered fence option, combined with regular Border Patrol sweeps, is the most efficient way to secure the border.
A physical barrier would be there not to keep people all the way out (the 21-foot ladder canard) but to slow them down enough for the Border Patrol to be able to respond in time to catch them. This is why the barrier can be a simple series of fences rather than a Berlin wall style fortress. Without a physical barrier at all, you would need BP agents stationed within eyesight of each other all along the border. The physical barrier is also the place where the ‘virtual fence’ sensors would be placed in order to alert the BP to an unauthorized crossing…without it, they’d still need to be placed along the border.
As for the construction itself…there are already fences in Australia that run for thousands of miles at a stretch. It’s a big deal, but not an insurmountable task.
Nor is it impossible to deport 12 million illegals…all that crap about the line of buses assumes we have to have it all done at the same time. Every single bus we could use is capable of making more than one trip. Deportation could be an ongoing process…it would be just a matter of time.
Besides, if we implement REAL employer sanctions (jail time, not fines) they will begin to deport themselves as the jobs become unavailable to them.
James on January 25, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Well, the only thing I know about him is what is on this post. I would say I don’t agree with him on what from the interview with Michelle.
terryannonline on January 25, 2008 at 12:43 PM
JUAN FERNANDEZ?!
I cannot believe the stupidity of these politicians. Dishonesty, greed, yes, but at least he should have refrained from hiring an OPEN BORDERS AZTLAN SUPPORTER for his campaign!!!
My voting strategy is to vote for the guy or gal who is opposite from that of the Congress. Hopefully, that will cause paralysis and keep them from destroying our nation.
PattyJ on January 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Wow, McCain’s got some brass ones for having that slimeball onboard.
doubleplusundead on January 25, 2008 at 12:46 PM
If we don’t have full-fledged Border security here, then all of our Terorist fighting around the world will be wasted. When you lock your car, do you lock 1 door, or all the doors.
kflynn on January 25, 2008 at 12:47 PM
terryannonline,
Illegal Immigration, especially in Los Angeles, has brought millions of poorly-educated people into the country to seek work and social services. If these people are granted amnesty and given the fast-track to citizenship, on which part of the political spectrum do you think they’ll fall?
The [likely] 20 Million Illegal Immigrants in this country, once citizens, would break heavily for the Democrats. This would pretty much guarantee a liberal landslide among the electorate, causing this nation to slowly destroy itself through one-party rule.
This isn’t a hypothetical; it’s very much a practical reality. Illegal Immigration will destroy this nation.
HebrewToYou on January 25, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Sorta..despite Mitts fairly recent conversion we are SURE of McCains almost total submission to the dark side!
RedLizard64 on January 25, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Influence Peddling
Kini on January 25, 2008 at 12:49 PM
If we continue to allow our sovereignty to be mocked at will it is only a matter of time before the majority of South American poor overwhelm our cities that are already under considerable financial strain.
As they overwhelmingly support socialist ideals the capitalistic nature of our republic will be done away with and replaced by French style democratic socialism.
Ciannaky on January 25, 2008 at 12:49 PM
I have seen this slimeball Hernandez on several shows over the last few years. I have seen him say that we really don’t even have a right to control the border because mexicans are actually part of this country. He is in total denial about illegals costing us billions in health care, education and social services. He almost laughs at America and you can tell he has nothing but the most thinly veiled contempt for us. He overacts with the, ‘My Friend’ stuff and spouts this sweet syrupy garbage through a smirk while at the time you can hear the real message behind what he is saying, “Screw you gringos, we will come anyway and do what the hell we want!” I am not surprised to see him working with McCain at all because he has exactly the same bitter angry attitude toward Americans who dare to believe there is a reason for sovereignty that McCain had towards those of us who dared to defy his plan to make the entire country of Mexico American citizens. Hernandez is a pure rat. Juan McAmensty is done!
Bikerken on January 25, 2008 at 12:50 PM
First, I think you would be surprised how many would not go the Democratic side. Second, I think we will have Democratic president in about 12 months but that doesn’t mean our country will cease to exist. I think the American people are more resilient than that.
terryannonline on January 25, 2008 at 12:52 PM
BTW Mitt was for Amnesty as well
Boston Globe. Mitt I think Amnesty is a reasonible proposial
William Amos on January 25, 2008 at 12:54 PM
That was then this is now! The more I investigate McCain the more I contemplate the possibility of his being a “Manchurian Candidate”.
RedLizard64 on January 25, 2008 at 12:57 PM
What makes you think any illegal immigrant would vote conservative? The Democrats are pandering to them like Ron Paul to Truthers. You’re nuts!
It’s not a Dem. President that’s the problem. It’s when entire state legislatures, especially here in CA, become beholden to the Democrats that the problems will manifest themself.
Presidents come and go. Entrenched legislatures are harder to change than an angry toddler. You let liberal Democrats gain control of everything and this country has not long to live. That’s just reality.
HebrewToYou on January 25, 2008 at 12:57 PM
The McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill would have given “Z” visas (granting all illegal aliens the legal right to remain in the U.S. indefinitely) within 24 hours of the illegal alien’s visa application being submitted. The number of illegal aliens who are living in the U.S. now is “estimated” to be 12-20 million. These “estimates” are notoriously unreliable. Consider the fact that before the 1986 amnesty bill was passed, it was “estimated” that there were 1.1 million illegals who would receive amnesty under that bill. The actual number of illegals who received amnesty under the 1986 law ended up being nearly 3 million, or more than twice the “estimate.” Using the current “estimate” of 12-20 million as a guide, there are probably closer to 30-40 million here now. The McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill would have allowed those 30-40 million to receive legal status, and also to bring their spouses and children to the U.S., where they would also receive legal status. The actual number of people added to the legal U.S. population under the McCain bill would have been something like 60-70 million, or around 20% of our current population. Hispanics, who comprise the majority of the illegal alien population, have very high rates of reproduction. Given these facts, it would likely take no more than one or two generations before they would become the majority in the U.S. — and that is how massive amnesty and unchecked illegal immigration will cause us to lose our country. BTW, are you aware that Mexicans in the U.S., even those who become U.S. citizens, retain their Mexican citizenship? What do you think will become of this country when the majority of its citizens owe their allegiance to a foreign nation?
AZCoyote on January 25, 2008 at 12:58 PM
BS…it is a matter of will. Near the end of WWII the US was putting out a naval ship at least weekly…how long does it take now? It just a matter of priorities. When we experience a huge growth in identity theft, other crimes, and a raping of our social services by illegals (and oh it wouldn’t hurt any if it affected multiple powerful politician personally)…then you’ll see it happen!
RedLizard64 on January 25, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Well said.
And with awful groups like La Raza championing Identity Politics it wouldn’t be long before the border became irrelevant. According to groups like them and MEChA, Southern California residents such as myself are already living in Mexico.
Ugh. Tolerating Illegal Immigration is almost as bad as tolerating genital mutilation.
HebrewToYou on January 25, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Our nation will still be here. Our Constitutional Republic will be destroyed. Our founding fathers primary concern was limiting the power of government. The Declaration of Independence, for example, is entirely structured around, not telling the government what it CAN do, but outlining, in stone, what the government CANNOT do. The power, as a result, lies in the hands of the people. Laws are created through the people. The people themselves, choose the laws by which they want to live their lives. The people do not have kings dictating how the people are to live. Our immigration laws have their roots in the good citizens of the United States. They have decided upon the laws by which foreigners will be allowed to come onto US soil. John McCain and other open borders Amnesty advocates are ignoring their Constitutional obligations to the people. They are ignoring what the Constitution is supposed to limit them from being able to do. They are telling the people that they know whats best for them. They are telling the people that they don’t care to obide by the laws that they created. They are giving the people and the Constitution the finger. Oddly some seem not to be put off by that. When you hear people say we are a nation of laws, these are the founding priciples they are making reference to. Without our laws we cease to be a nation. Our Constitutional Republic is destroyed.
Secondarily, every nation is functional because of a shared and cohesive common culture. Read Mark Steyn. He has plenty to say on this matter. Language is part of that culture. Genital Mutilation, honor killings and Sati is not part of our culture. If you think thats far off and something you will never see then take a look at what’s happening in the UK right now. Uncontrolled immigration combined with multiculturalist PC leaders is DESTROYING the fabric of that country. I think I read recently that 120 murder investigations in London alone were re-opened. They were initially ignored by the police for reasons of cultural sensitivity. Investigating those murders was viewed by many as being intrusive to the rich cultural traditions of new immigrant communities. These forces working in conjunction can very easily destroy a country, or at least change it permanently for the worst.
Thirdly, a wide open border that 10,000 people per day easily cross. Growth of Hezbollah in Mexico and Canada. Suitcase nukes. Need I say more?
Zetterson on January 25, 2008 at 1:05 PM
How do you get past a fifty-billion dollar security fence? A fourty-dollar ladder and twelve dollar shovel. I wish someone would ask the Isrealis how much they spend on their Rhode Island sized fence?
THE CHOSEN ONE on January 25, 2008 at 1:07 PM
I really don’t think I can visit Hotair anymore.
terryannonline on January 25, 2008 at 1:08 PM
If anyone who has seen or heard this unamerican mexican howl that should be enough to sink McCennedy after accepting him in his camp. If that doesn’t put a stamp on open boarders there is none.
oldernslower on January 25, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Folks, let’s just keep it simple. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks previously like a duck, and has ducks on staff, …….it’s a duck.
Ducks who act like Hawks can’t fly.
Starlink on January 25, 2008 at 1:10 PM
HA! Was it something I said? Talk to me Terry. Let me know where you disagree. We’ll call it a conversation.
Zetterson on January 25, 2008 at 1:14 PM
I really appreciate your voice on this site. I think you offer balance and measure to some otherwise over-the-top threads.
But I urge you to search youtube or google this man. Juan Hernandez mocks us with every word that passes his lips.
He does not care about our sovereignty. I don’t even think he believes in it. And his Tony Robbins self-help seminar tactics are maddening and patronizing. He and John McCain will be calling every illegal immigrant who crosses our borders “my friend.”
Though he is not quite seditious, I think he is un-American. I know that’s a very strong statement. But I’m on a roll today; I called Bill Clinton a “racist mother****er” too.
I’m pretty used to be the squeaky wheel. So I appreciate your posture and questioning. But, please check him out and take what I’m saying with some granular NaCl.
The Race Card on January 25, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Mccain is a fool if he thinks he is going to get any votes from people who live in areas where immigration is running crazy.
TroubledMonkey on January 25, 2008 at 1:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al5Fwmowc8k&feature=related
Zetterson on January 25, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Don’t bail on it.
Spirit of 1776 on January 25, 2008 at 1:21 PM
He won’t be getting too many votes in that case.
Zetterson on January 25, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Looking inside Bush’s numbers show that Protestant Latinos broke Republican, Catholic broke Democrat.
Spirit of 1776 on January 25, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Dr. Juan Hernandez
He’s the guy who was selling the brown acid at Woodstock.
True story.
ronsfi on January 25, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Relax.
I was speaking as a Christian to my fellow Christian friend, Terry.
ColtsFan on January 25, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Wow, that’s not very “open minded” of you.
Illegal immigraton is a topic that encompasses our schools, infrastructure, healthcare, national soveriegnty, culture, national security, economy, and environment.
It’s worth conversing about even though it’s sometimes painful.
NTWR on January 25, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Why isn’t this story getting more coverage in the blogosphere?
davenp35 on January 25, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Profound kflynn, P R O F O U N D.
kcd on January 25, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Todays Rasmussen numbers nationally
Date 1/25/08
Giuliani 12%
Huckabee 17%
Romney 21%
McCain 26%
I knew the majority of conservatives were just Liberals in sheep’s clothing.
THE CHOSEN ONE on January 25, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Wow ,for someone who claims to love to talk about politics your really not much of a conversationalist are you? Don’t like the message you just plug your ears and yell…nah,nah,nah,nah…
Ciannaky on January 25, 2008 at 1:27 PM
If Mitt Romney starts running campaign ads with cuts of Hernandez with the Title, This is John McCains Hispanic Outreach Director. John McCain is DONE! This man is so offensive, he smirks in your face while wiping his ass with the American flag. He has said so many offensive things about America, McCain could never survive the outrage.
Bikerken on January 25, 2008 at 1:28 PM
You seem to be really confused as to the difference in a republican and a conservative.
kcd on January 25, 2008 at 1:29 PM
I’m glad you offer a religious argument against illegal immigration, as many religious people are influenced by liberal churches on this, and other issue. Haven’t we seen this in Huckabee’s support?
btw, read that piece you linked to from that guy in Budapest. Was good.
JiangxiDad on January 25, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Ah. He has a long history (long!) of shilling for Mexican interests in America. Not immigrant interests mind you, Mexican interests, as in the gov. of Mexico. As such, I see him as a vocal and sometimes amusing, sometimes irritating lobbyist for a foreign government. Hence his connection to the McCain camp is not appreciated because it represents McCain’s inability or unwillingness to put his constituents interests first.
Spirit of 1776 on January 25, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Actually, I should correct myself. If you add McCain and Giuliani’s numbers together you are almost at 40%. That means that moderates outnumber Romney supporters nearly 2-1. Now which candidate is out of step with the party?
THE CHOSEN ONE on January 25, 2008 at 1:32 PM
HebrewToYou–
Romans 13 was written regarding Judges, the leaders of first century CE Jewish government. Canonical directives would only apply in the United States if we had theocracy–and even then it only admonishes against civil disobedience, not changing laws.
Besides which, saying democratically-elected leaders are “ordained by God” is both erroneous and too Sharaic for my taste. No ensh’Allah for me!
q2600 on January 25, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Consider that you still have the option to quit. Just.do.it.
You’re a nice, young, and utterly naive person. Take The Race Card’s advice and do some serious studying.
Entelechy on January 25, 2008 at 1:36 PM
I don’t mind talking immigration when talking about legality and enforcing our borders. It’s when people use arguments like this that rub the wrong way:
terryannonline on January 25, 2008 at 1:37 PM
You have made my point.”The Party” is out of step. That’s why I reiterate my point that the MSM have been pretty successful in convincing some Republicans that they need to be “more progressive”, “more in step with the times”, etc. Therefore we are left with watered down conservatism. I’m not biting. 4 years of this left leaning BS and the conservatives will have their belly full and stop settling!
kcd on January 25, 2008 at 1:40 PM
You are super bad, indeed.
Entelechy on January 25, 2008 at 1:42 PM
The Chosen One–
The Republican Party’s commitment to tighten the security of our borders is covered on page 16 of the Republican Party Platform. If the candidates are not endorsing the Party Platform, they are “out of step with the Party,” regardless of how popular I may be.
Further, I wonder how many of the primary voters endorsing McCain will be voting Democrat in the General Election?
q2600 on January 25, 2008 at 1:44 PM
A valid concern, but most of us are concerned about national security, rule of law, undermining of legal equality by government awarding illegal activity, sovereignty, and the like.
doubleplusundead on January 25, 2008 at 1:44 PM
My last post should read “How popular they may be”–I’m afraid I suffered some sort of narcissistic Freudian moment!
q2600 on January 25, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Right now, Hillary is probably thinking of how to best decorate the White House, what set of China she plans to steal on her way out, and how Chelsea might be old enough for the office by 2016. Keep up with your McCain bashing and we will all be standing in line for bread. Mitt can’t win, stop trying to convince yourself of false realities and visions of grandeur.
THE CHOSEN ONE on January 25, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Way to logical for open border guys…
right2bright on January 25, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Go vote…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18436681/
davenp35 on January 25, 2008 at 1:53 PM
She dropped the “Fellow travler” on him SWEET.
TroubledMonkey on January 25, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Good point. But bear in mind that those kind of attitudes can be formed by having a LARGE non-assimilated minority in our midst.
One of several reasons for that non-assimilation I believe is the fact that Mexicans (and others) have so few options for legal and timely immigration.
Given the demographic stuff that Steyn talks about, the US would probably be letting in millions of people from Mexico legally anyhow, (if it wasn’t for the fact that people are already coming in illegally). That’s the irony. And if they did come in legally, they’d be more apt to assimilate, imo.
JiangxiDad on January 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM
But Chosen, you were working so hard - shouting, even - to try and convince someone (anyone!) that McCain is a conservative. We can chalk that up to your basic misunderstaning of the differences between conservatives and Republicans. Now you say he’s a moderate. Pretty soon you’ll be able to admit that he’s a liberal, and well-deserving of the RINO label.
Redhead Infidel on January 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Not to poke in where I have not been participating, but had to reach out to Terry Ann:
This was said in the clinical/analytical sense, not to single out an ethnic group with malicious intentions.
Please don’t bail on us. You belong here at Hot Air!
RushBaby on January 25, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Donate to Romney today!
davenp35 on January 25, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Sorry ya’ll, I guess I was throwing a fit. It is just when I read those type of arguments, I don’t know how to respond and I get frustrated.
terryannonline on January 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM
I don’t mind talking immigration when talking about legality and enforcing our borders. It’s when people use arguments like this that rub the wrong way:
Hispanics, who comprise the majority of the illegal alien population, have very high rates of reproduction. Given these facts, it would likely take no more than one or two generations before they would become the majority in the U.S.
terryannonline on January 25, 2008 at 1:37 PM
AZCoyote on January 25, 2008 at 2:14 PM
I did. : ( You know, I would love to vote on one of those just once before the Paulnuts get to them! Question:Who had the best one-liner? Ron Paul 46%!!?? Sheez what a bunch of BS.
kcd on January 25, 2008 at 2:17 PM
It’s part of the process of becoming addicted. Who among us hasn’t had a blood-pressure spike, adrenaline surge, plenty moments of joy, perhaps a little moment of shame? Best part of HA addiction, we become better and better as time goes on, unlike those junkies on the other side of the
aislestreet!RushBaby on January 25, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Your Grandfathers kept you from having to learn German or Japanese or be lamp shades. But YOU ARE NOT the men or women that they were, not even close.
Once el Presidente Juan the First gets us our amnesty, we will all come to your country. We will all have at least 10 kids and in a generation we will overwhelm and deport most of you nativist Gringos! Some of you, if you learn Spanish real well, we might let you stay to pick our lettuce or mow our lawns or take care of OUR children in what used to be your houses.
Those who don’t learn Spanish will be deported to Alaska. That is until Al Gore’s global warming heats things up and we want Alaska too, then we will deport you all to New Orleans. It will probably all be under water by then anyway. I hope you nativist Gringos can swim, he, he, he. My bad!!!
So give it up and LEARN SPANISH! You should probably all buy Mexican flags too and fly them in your front yard and on your pickup trucks. If you already have an American flag there it is alright if you keep it, as long as you fly it upside down and below our great Mexican flag.
Now repeat after me - I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Mucho Grande Mexico, and to the Republic for which it use to stand, one nation under me and el Presidente Juan the First, with everything for us, and nothing for you.
And remember nativist Gringos,
APRENDER EL ESPANOL!!!
VinyFoxy on January 25, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Just do some research on Juan Terryann, the guy is so transparent it’s amazing. He really is a slimeball.
Give it a few days for all these great “endorsements” to sink in and Juan to become known to people who’ve missed him.
McCain has a better chance of swimming with bowling balls in his pockets.
He’s done.
Geronimo on January 25, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Hey Redhead, I’ll make it easy for you understand since your big on that label thing.
MCCAIN-WINNER
ROMNEY-LOSER
THE CHOSEN ONE on January 25, 2008 at 2:21 PM
I know you haven’t heard yet folks, but Mel Martinez(Fmr. Chair of Republican Party 06-07) just endorsed McCain. Man we have Liberals all the way at the top of the Republican Party. Who would have thought? Man it feels good when you are right!
THE CHOSEN ONE on January 25, 2008 at 2:23 PM
MB4 on January 25, 2008 at 2:27 PM
MB4 on January 25, 2008 at 2:29 PM
You need to stick around. We need your viewpoint, and I have always enjoyed your posts. Just gotta grow a little thicker skin. I don’t think the comment about birth rates was meant to be an ethnic criticism, but rather an explanation as to concerns about lack of assimilation and what it projects.
a capella on January 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Geronimo on January 25, 2008 at 2:31 PM
That should really, really help McCain with his conservative base problem. Are you trying to help him? Strange strategy.
a capella on January 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM
MB4 on January 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Juan Fernandez, and other open border advocates, have espoused the “Mexican first” philosophy for their immigrants. I live in CA, and each neighborhood is set apart by nationality–Mexican, African American, Korean, etc.–by either gang members or people immigrating illegally or doing business in cash to avoid the IRS. A view of our future:
Gang Warfare in LA
If you want to end up like the Balkans, keep allowing separatism. However imperfect the melting pot is, it must be public policy or we face increasingly large sectors of our population who do not participate in our culture, obey our laws, or pay taxes. Can that be good for any country?
Finally, who do you support for president and why? Tell us!
PattyJ on January 25, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Wow, you mean Mel “Open Borders” Martinez? The one we all threw a fit over being chosen for the Chair? We all wanted Michael Steele. Well I do have to give it to McCain. He’s very consistent in his open-borders stance.
NTWR on January 25, 2008 at 2:39 PM
This is a topic prone to emotion, as it deals with identity for all parties involved.
If you will take a suggestion for me, I would suggest you read Tancredo’s book, Mortal Danger. That would allow you to walk through the concerns that ill. immigration hawks have at your own pace and with the ability to think through each point as to whether you agree or disagree and why. As is the wont of the left he is dismissed by open-border advocates as zenophobic, but that is hardly the case.
Spirit of 1776 on January 25, 2008 at 2:43 PM
re learning spanish.
I found through someone at the local biggest retail store in the world that the new store being put up in nearby Dearbornistan, Michigan here is requiring employees to learn some arabic, and spanish, and many of the new hires are bi lingual (by hiring more immigrants)
Michigan has been in recession for years and jobs are few
It is their right, of course, but effectively, those who speak only English, that is assimilated English-only Americans of any race, creed or color, are pushed down the list for hiring.
Not at first, but in competition, the newcomers who refuse to assimilate get preference over original citizens
They said the new store would have all signs in the three languages.
A policy of non assimilation favors the non assimilated
Some thanks for allowing people to come here
Oh I forgot, they don’t have to get permission anymore
entagor on January 25, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Actually, St. Paul was writing to non-Jewish Christian inhabitants of Rome, not to Jewish elders.
Are you saying that when leaders are democratically elected it somehow proves that God was powerless to stop it? Rather than just assert that this is erroneous, please present your argument for the abbrogation of this text. Thanks.
Akzed on January 25, 2008 at 2:44 PM
I don’t think it’s ever been said better than this:
“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But, this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag … and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language. And we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is a loyalty to the American people.” – Theodore Roosevelt 1907
Geronimo on January 25, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Heh, I had a series of meetings this morning and no time to read, until now. It’s utterly amazing how many here have been played like marionettes by THE CHOSEN ONE.
He/she has achieved what he/she wanted - most all of you/us venting our spleen against McCain. How was this done? In two ways:
1. By reverse psychology, similar to apacalypse/HHardrada being for Huckabee in the last few days/today.
2. By directly pointing out what McCain w/b “good” at, including winning/not winning in Nov.
You fell for it like flies. His/her mission is accomplished. It is good to know, however, how most here feel about the malodorous Messrs McCain/Hernandez.
The polls are within the margin of error on Romney/McCain. Threads like these, and hopefully Fox and radio announcers will expose the Juan Hernandez connection. That guy is a snake oil saleman, unsurpassed by no one.
On the border - the border can not, with no amount of dollars and effort, be made contiguous. I said it during the amnesty discussion, enforcing our current laws, including foremost the hiring of legal employees, punishing the offenders, deporting those with crime records, and in parallel focusing on strengthening the border, where it can be done, should have priority. This admin. is derelict in all regards, and McCain is the number one enabler.
Entelechy on January 25, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Good morning, lord MB4. It’s almost noon in our zone. You’ve been the topic of discussion earlier, on this thread. Since this is the perfect thread for you, it’s surprising that you showed up so late, but better late than never.
Entelechy on January 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Vote Romney here.
davenp35 on January 25, 2008 at 2:50 PM
And I forgot, THE CHOSEN ONE, I have another couch, next to the one of apacalypse and HaraldHardrada. My first 3 hours of therapy are free. Though, given the efforts of the three of you, toward reminding the conservatives abouth their real soul, you should be the ones to be reimbursed, and thanked for.
Entelechy on January 25, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Hey Bryan,
Anyway to change the entry to each blog posting so that I come in on the first page instead of the last. I like to get a feel for the discussions direction before I comment.
RedLizard64 on January 25, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Yeah Bryan, and more pix of Jessica while yer at it.
Akzed on January 25, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Right now, Hillary and Bill are in a back room thinking of ways to prop up Romney. It is going to be great watching Billary try to throw mud at an American Hero.
THE CHOSEN ONE on January 25, 2008 at 2:58 PM
I am almost afraid to look.
Whatever crimes and misdemeanors that I have been accused of, I am totally innocent!
That masked man who ran up to Juan Plantation McShamnesty and hit him in the face with a big head of lettuce was not me!
Nor was it me who snuck up behind The High Reverend Huckster and put that 10×12 “Kick me because I really hate Jesus” sign on his back.
I have several alibis as to where I was at.
MB4 on January 25, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Indeed, you do. Besides, it’s no one’s business anyway.
Entelechy on January 25, 2008 at 3:04 PM
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